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General Topics => Health, Fitness, and First Aid => Topic started by: zippz on December 03, 2017, 05:54:18 PM
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Some military medics have offered to teach a 1 - 2 hour class on first aid to include basic anatomy, tourniquets, chest seals, nasal pharangeal, what should go in a kit, quick clot products, and other stuff. No certification will be given. Cost is very minimal ($5-$10) or possibly free. Location is Koko Head Shooting Complex on the weekend after the range closes or someone can donate classroom space.
Getting a preliminary headcount.
Serious inquiries only, no flakes.
UPDATE 1-9-18:
Course is confirmed. Space is limited, email todd@practicalmarksman.com with your name and phone number or signup on the meetup page at https://www.meetup.com/HawaiiGGG/events/246653869/ to reserve a seat.
This first aid course will teach basic human anatomy, bandages, tourniquets, quick clot bandages, how to build a kit, and other life saving techniques. Great class for firearms instructors, RSO's, and those interested in treating injuries on and off the range. Pizzas and drinks provided.
NO CERTIFICATION WILL BE GIVEN AND INSTRUCTORS ALONG WITH HAWAII GUYS AND GALS WITH GUNS ASSUME NO LIABILITY IF YOU USE THESE FIRST AID TECHNIQUES.
DATE/TIME: Saturday January 13, 5:15pm - 8:30pm
LOCATION: Paki Community Park, enter through Leahi Ave. We'll be in the classroom building.
ATTIRE: Dress comfortably
EQUIPMENT OPTIONAL: Bring your first aid kit to get it checked out. Pen and paper for notes.
FEES: $5 cash to cover pizza, drinks, and supplies.
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I'm in
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What day? I'm in if I'm not working.
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In
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Has a seminar like this with a couple medics, Navy corpsman, and a couple EMTs a few months ago. Great stuff and a LOT of information they can share. Particularly showing you how to use or apply certain first aid implements. We joked about demonstrating how to use the tube. I have had training on some of that stuff before, but one thing that I've noticed is that people are surprised as how to properly apply a TQ, particularly how tight it needs to be. Of course, they demonstrated the TQ on me simulating a lower leg injury. :grrr:
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What day? I'm in if I'm not working.
same, depends on date and time
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I'm interested
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Keep sending in the replies.
I have to get 15 people interested first before they plan the event.
Might be held at Diamond Head instead, someone donated classroom space.
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Forgot to add the wife also, but again all depending on the date and time.
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Has a seminar like this with a couple medics, Navy corpsman, and a couple EMTs a few months ago. Great stuff and a LOT of information they can share. Particularly showing you how to use or apply certain first aid implements. We joked about demonstrating how to use the tube. I have had training on some of that stuff before, but one thing that I've noticed is that people are surprised as how to properly apply a TQ, particularly how tight it needs to be. Of course, they demonstrated the TQ on me simulating a lower leg injury. :grrr:
Sounds like it's the same guys.
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Count me in, date depending
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I'm in if on Sunday, I'll be busy on Sat for several weeks.
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+2. :shaka:
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Tentatively set for Saturday January 13th. I'll confirm later this month. Fee is going to be a few bucks for pizza and soda.
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I'm definitely interested in this. As long as it's after the holidays. Jan 13th or later is great!
Thanks for working to put this together.
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Count me in for 3. Me and two co workers.
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I'm in. :shaka:
I may be able to offer space, but it would be somewhere between Laie and Kahuku ! :shake:
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Sign me up!
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Date still pending, we're rallying the volunteers.
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If it's still open, I'm interested.
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Course is confirmed. Space is limited, email todd@practicalmarksman.com with your name and phone number or signup on the meetup page at https://www.meetup.com/HawaiiGGG/events/246653869/ to reserve a seat.
This first aid course will teach basic human anatomy, bandages, tourniquets, quick clot bandages, how to build a kit, and other life saving techniques. Great class for firearms instructors, RSO's, and those interested in treating injuries on and off the range. Pizzas and drinks provided.
NO CERTIFICATION WILL BE GIVEN AND INSTRUCTORS ALONG WITH HAWAII GUYS AND GALS WITH GUNS ASSUME NO LIABILITY IF YOU USE THESE FIRST AID TECHNIQUES.
DATE/TIME: Saturday January 13, 5:15pm - 8:30pm
LOCATION: Paki Community Park, enter through Leahi Ave. We'll be in the classroom building.
ATTIRE: Dress comfortably
EQUIPMENT OPTIONAL: Bring your first aid kit to get it checked out. Pen and paper for notes.
FEES: $5 cash to cover pizza, drinks, and supplies.
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4 seats left for the class.
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Class is full.
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Great turnout and great teaching, Thanks Zippz
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Great turnout and great teaching, Thanks Zippz
it was an awesome class!
mahalo to zippz and the instructors!
thanks also to London and mrs 808
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I'll echo what the others have said - excellent class! I learned a lot.
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Thankz zipps, i learned the following that youtube didnt teach me:
1) How to scan extrematies for blood (specificially the hand under ass. I would have started with hand in groin and missed the entire ass area)
2) How to treat a sucking chest (specifically not to forget about the exit wound side also). But i never will unless extreme emergency. Like EMS 8 hours away.
3) How much blood can you lose and still be "ok".
4) Why powder quick clot is not recomended compared to clot gauze. And how the powder can burn sweaty hands.
5) I didnt know they made quick clot packing gauze. I just got regular gauze.
6) Im not totally paranoid. Mrs change had to pee so i went with her and scanned the restroom b4 she went in (park bathroom at night). Then the 2nd time she had to go, bassmonkey was inside protecting his lady as she went.
7) My med kit has the right tools for my skill level/ pay grade. No needles and such because it is beyond my skill set and we are not in the bush, so help will be near enough.
Thanks again to zipps and all those who helped make this possible.
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Everything went well tonight and there was a good turnout. I attended my last class about 9 years ago so this was a good refresher.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180114/ce4b9fb9fdbd2f91f61e85634ac98d42.jpg)
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Any plans on running another class in the near future?
I've been trying to find a WFA or WFR class here but they are so rare I either find out after the fact or my schedule hasn't allowed it.
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If any of you are looking for good online resources for supplies, the following are good:
Live Action Safety
Chinook Medical (little pricey on shipping tho, but easy to find stuff)
ShopMedVet (lots of stuff, but have to know what you’re looking for since organization not that great, or at least it wasn’t).
There are others, but those are the few that I remember off the top of my head.
I have a complete kit from Dark Angel. I’ve also looked into ITS as well and their kit seems pretty good as well. But I put together my own kits for range bag, work bag and car from supplies.
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Any plans on running another class in the near future?
I've been trying to find a WFA or WFR class here but they are so rare I either find out after the fact or my schedule hasn't allowed it.
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Not anytime soon, maybe summer. It's difficult to find people to do classes like this because everyone is afraid of liability.
I'm going to talk to Kapiolani Community College to see if they can put a class together. I dunno what the cost would be.
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Class definitely helped.
Learned:
-CAT 2 Gen 7 TQs are definitely EASIER and FASTER to self apply than the SOF T tourniquets and unfortunately the R.A.T.S. Tourniquet MIGHT not be as effective on lower appendages as opposed to the CAT 2s or the SOF Ts.
-To invest in some Combat Gauze. Definitely pricey as you can find them online anywhere from $40-$45 per package. Compressed gauze is better than nothing but if you can shell out some extra cash, Combat Gauze is an advantage.
-Definitely no need for us civilians to rush to get a 14 Gauge Chest Decompression needle. Having a few chest seals on hand or improvising one should do the trick until the real paramedics and trained personnel can get to the victim.
Personally I’ve been buying my supplies from www.medicalgearoutfitters.com aka "Skinny Medic" on YouTube. Free shipping with ALL orders.
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Class definitely helped.
Learned:
-CAT 2 Gen 7 TQs are definitely EASIER and FASTER to self apply than the SOF T tourniquets and unfortunately the R.A.T.S. Tourniquet MIGHT not be as effective on lower appendages as opposed to the CAT 2s or the SOF Ts.
-To invest in some Combat Gauze. Definitely pricey as you can find them online anywhere from $40-$45 per package. Compressed gauze is better than nothing but if you can shell out some extra cash, Combat Gauze is an advantage.
-Definitely no need for us civilians to rush to get a 14 Gauge Chest Decompression needle. Having a few chest seals on hand or improvising one should do the trick until the real paramedics and trained personnel can get to the victim.
Personally I’ve been buying my supplies from www.medicalgearoutfitters.com aka "Skinny Medic" on YouTube. Free shipping with ALL orders.
BTW someone told me that expired Combat Gauze may still be effective if it's stored properly and the vacuumed wrap is intact. Those things are pricey.
I got a good refresher on the decompression needle too. Learned how to use them about 8 years ago and thought I needed to get one, but was assured that they're not usually needed here.
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Class definitely helped.
Learned:
-CAT 2 Gen 7 TQs are definitely EASIER and FASTER to self apply than the SOF T tourniquets and unfortunately the R.A.T.S. Tourniquet MIGHT not be as effective on lower appendages as opposed to the CAT 2s or the SOF Ts.
-To invest in some Combat Gauze. Definitely pricey as you can find them online anywhere from $40-$45 per package. Compressed gauze is better than nothing but if you can shell out some extra cash, Combat Gauze is an advantage.
-Definitely no need for us civilians to rush to get a 14 Gauge Chest Decompression needle. Having a few chest seals on hand or improvising one should do the trick until the real paramedics and trained personnel can get to the victim.
Personally I’ve been buying my supplies from www.medicalgearoutfitters.com aka "Skinny Medic" on YouTube. Free shipping with ALL orders.
Thought that was you but dissent want to say hi in case I was wrong lol.
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I didn't have time to get name tags. I always forget those.
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Thanks for the class zips
Wife enjoyed it just as much as I did.
This plus the missile scare really got her thinking
We'll be putting together a few more bags now for sure
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Class definitely helped.
Learned:
-CAT 2 Gen 7 TQs are definitely EASIER and FASTER to self apply than the SOF T tourniquets and unfortunately the R.A.T.S. Tourniquet MIGHT not be as effective on lower appendages as opposed to the CAT 2s or the SOF Ts.
-To invest in some Combat Gauze. Definitely pricey as you can find them online anywhere from $40-$45 per package. Compressed gauze is better than nothing but if you can shell out some extra cash, Combat Gauze is an advantage.
-Definitely no need for us civilians to rush to get a 14 Gauge Chest Decompression needle. Having a few chest seals on hand or improvising one should do the trick until the real paramedics and trained personnel can get to the victim.
Personally I’ve been buying my supplies from www.medicalgearoutfitters.com aka "Skinny Medic" on YouTube. Free shipping with ALL orders.
I also use skinny medic. I called North American Rescue (makers of the TQ's) and they are an official distributor of the CATs. After buying the fake ones on Amazon, I had to be sure.
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Class definitely helped.
Learned:
-CAT 2 Gen 7 TQs are definitely EASIER and FASTER to self apply than the SOF T tourniquets and unfortunately the R.A.T.S. Tourniquet MIGHT not be as effective on lower appendages as opposed to the CAT 2s or the SOF Ts.
-To invest in some Combat Gauze. Definitely pricey as you can find them online anywhere from $40-$45 per package. Compressed gauze is better than nothing but if you can shell out some extra cash, Combat Gauze is an advantage.
-Definitely no need for us civilians to rush to get a 14 Gauge Chest Decompression needle. Having a few chest seals on hand or improvising one should do the trick until the real paramedics and trained personnel can get to the victim.
Personally I’ve been buying my supplies from www.medicalgearoutfitters.com aka "Skinny Medic" on YouTube. Free shipping with ALL orders.
where were you sitting, PK?
i was on the side with the sliding door, sitting by bass monkey and changemyoil and london and just4kiks
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where were you sitting, PK?
i was on the side with the sliding door, sitting by bass monkey and changemyoil and london and just4kiks
From what he's describing, I think he was the guy in the table next to me, front right corner. He had the med bag. Only guy I saw with a RAT.
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From what he's describing, I think he was the guy in the table next to me, front right corner. He had the med bag. Only guy I saw with a RAT.
ah, ok
had the biggest kit there
we couldn't really see the other tables, though
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From what he's describing, I think he was the guy in the table next to me, front right corner. He had the med bag. Only guy I saw with a RAT.
Correct
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where were you sitting, PK?
i was on the side with the sliding door, sitting by bass monkey and changemyoil and london and just4kiks
Sorry yeah that was me at the middle table with the red bag and small IFAK. I figured I'd bring that stuff as it was suggested to compare to see if there was anything I should add to it. I pretty much leave that bag in the car in addition to a smaller version of it in my range bag.
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Would anyone have interest in a first aid course that DOES give a certification at the end? I spend a lot of time learning from my medics, even had the opportunity to train with an SF medic, and have private sector training as well. Not offering it yet because I have no certification as a first aid instructor yet, but plan on getting that as soon as finances allow, and am trying to gauge interest.
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Would anyone have interest in a first aid course that DOES give a certification at the end? I spend a lot of time learning from my medics, even had the opportunity to train with an SF medic, and have private sector training as well. Not offering it yet because I have no certification as a first aid instructor yet, but plan on getting that as soon as finances allow, and am trying to gauge interest.
I'd be interested either way. Just would need enough lead time to plan on the financials and around life schedule
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Would anyone have interest in a first aid course that DOES give a certification at the end? I spend a lot of time learning from my medics, even had the opportunity to train with an SF medic, and have private sector training as well. Not offering it yet because I have no certification as a first aid instructor yet, but plan on getting that as soon as finances allow, and am trying to gauge interest.
The big problem with this type of trading with certification is cost. The insurance/liability risks are huge for anyone saying I certify that this person is trained to do this, that and the other.
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The big problem with this type of trading with certification is cost. The insurance/liability risks are huge for anyone saying I certify that this person is trained to do this, that and the other.
Which is why I'm getting an instructor cert before teaching, so I have some sort of official paper to point to that I know what I'm talking about.
And I don't plan on making the training very expensive. I'm doing it more as a passion project than to make money.
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I won't be able to attend the class because it would be more than I'm comfortable doing.
Example: I'm okay with doing anything first aid up to and excluding chest seals (poking the needle for the air to escape is iffy). So for me, this class may go beyond what I'm able to handle (knowing my limit). Especially if I don't review/practice it all the time like how a medic would.
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Which is why I'm getting an instructor cert before teaching, so I have some sort of official paper to point to that I know what I'm talking about.
And I don't plan on making the training very expensive. I'm doing it more as a passion project than to make money.
Either i didnt explain well or you misunderstood.
You as the instructor will be come civilly liable for the actions of any student you certify, If they try to help some one and mess it up and they point to you as the person who taught them you as their teacher may be sued. To negate this it you would carry an insurance policy in perpetuity the cost of this insurance is going to be extremly expensive and as such the cost of teaching the classes would be costly.
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I found this thread a little too late! Would be interested in attending a class if you ever decide to hold another one!
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Either i didnt explain well or you misunderstood.
You as the instructor will be come civilly liable for the actions of any student you certify, If they try to help some one and mess it up and they point to you as the person who taught them you as their teacher may be sued. To negate this it you would carry an insurance policy in perpetuity the cost of this insurance is going to be extremly expensive and as such the cost of teaching the classes would be costly.
Wouldn't Hawaii's Good Samaritan Law avoid this possible issue? As long as the instructor is not certifying professionals?
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Might put together another first aid class in the Fall if the medics are up to it. They're all busy for the summer. Also wondering how many people would pay $500 for a professional class by mainland instructors.
I've been looking for more first aid info and found the following on AR15.com:
Presentations and references you can use as a refresher: https://www.ar15.com/forums/training/Reference-Material/21-234707/?
Couple of schools I may consider if I'm in the area. Looking for others.:
http://lonestarmedics.com
http://darkangelmedical.com/
some medical threads on ar15.com:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/training/Medical-Training/21/
https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/
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I finally got around to buying an IFAK. I went with the recommended Dark Angel Medical kit plus an extra refill. Pretty pricey stuff. I added the HALO vent seal option and chose to forgo the decompression needle since it's very rarely needed and it's been 10 years since I got hands on training with it.
My old kit was old. I got the original CATs which I can still use as spares. The combat gauze from 2014 is still vacuum sealed but the packaging is starting to separate so I'll use it as a trainer. Israeli bandage packaging is a little worn but still good and I'll use it as spares.
http://darkangelmedical.com/d-a-r-k-trauma-kit/
(http://cdn7.bigcommerce.com/s-mc2ixn/images/stencil/1024x1024/products/832/2315/DAM_-_DARK_-_Red_-_1__18113.1508879708.jpg)
I also have one of these for minor stuff:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/911ccjC7aWL._SX355_.jpg)
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Sorry, can't shell out an $500 at this time. Especially for 2 (Mrs. change).
On my to buy list is the combat gauze and about 2 more TQ's.
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Sorry, can't shell out an $500 at this time. Especially for 2 (Mrs. change).
On my to buy list is the combat gauze and about 2 more TQ's.
$500 is pricey :o. The American Red Cross offers Adult First Aid/CPR/AED classes for less than $100 I think.
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The class would include more than that. TQ usage, wound packing, etc...
$500 is pricey :o. The American Red Cross offers Adult First Aid/CPR/AED classes for less than $100 I think.
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This was posted to the Nexdoor.com community I subscribe to. Thought it might be of interest. :shaka:
I am a certified instructor for BLS, ACLS, PALS and Heartsaver CPR/AED + First Aid classes.
Check out my website HawaiiCPRToGo.com to book or message me if anyone is interested
in corporate business or private small group classes.
My name is Lynn Dagan 808-551-2299. I have lived in Mililani for over 18 years and my husband
and I are raising our children in this wonderful community.
Mahalo for your consideration,
Lynn Dagan
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Sorry, can't shell out an $500 at this time. Especially for 2 (Mrs. change).
On my to buy list is the combat gauze and about 2 more TQ's.
There's cheap used/surplus Army and USMC IFAKs on the forums and ebay. The CAT's in them are most likely legit. Quick Clots may be expired or close to expiring but would still be good as long as the packaging is sealed. Or can piece a kit together fairly cheap. Get some close to expired quick clots, Israeli bandage, gauze, tape, shears, nitrile gloves. It's difficult to find used legit CAT's. Best place would be military classifieds or buy them new from a legit source. Most CATs on Amazon and Ebay are counterfeits. Can do without the Nasopharyngeals. Chest seals can be made from the bandage wrappers or other sterile materials and tape. Decompression needles usually cause more harm than good for most.