Trump Impeachment Proceedings (Read 58444 times)

macsak

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2019, 08:18:35 PM »
shifty Schiff is one scary looking dude

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2019, 08:29:13 PM »
sundland's testimony is being touted as an "IED" "blowtorch" or "bombshell" by the fakestream media
of course they aren't showing this little tidbit

https://youtu.be/YSlX9m1iZ6M?t=234
NoFocus
« Last Edit: November 21, 2019, 08:33:43 AM by drck1000 »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2019, 10:28:13 PM »
Old lawyer saying:

    When the facts are on your side, argue the facts.

    When the law is on your side, argue the law.

    When neither is on your side, jump up on the table and yell.


Schiff has been ratcheting up the volume as the week unfolded.   :shake:

He just got 3 Pinocchios from the Washington Post for his adamant claim that the Whistle Blower has a statutory right to remain anonymous.  Nunes asked Schiff before the end of yesterday's hearing to produce the statute that provided the WB those protections, and Schiff replied that he would.

Schiff can't, because such a statute doesn't exist.

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"The case for Three [Pinocchios]: The ICWPA doesn’t include language granting whistleblowers a right to anonymity.
Neither do other statutes, directives or court rulings that apply to the intelligence community," it reads.
"The argument that whistleblower-protection laws implicitly provide anonymity is more nuanced, and
debatable, than what Schiff said in a nationally televised hearing. And what good is a statutory right anyway
if there’s no mechanism to enforce it?"
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The three Pinocchios comes after Schiff was given four Pinocchios in October for claiming his panel had "not spoken
directly with the whistleblower," with the paper calling the claim "flat-out false."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/471256-wapo-gives-schiff-three-pinocchois-on-whistleblower-anonymity-claim
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

macsak

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2019, 10:34:07 PM »
Old lawyer saying:

    When the facts are on your side, argue the facts.

    When the law is on your side, argue the law.

    When neither is on your side, jump up on the table and yell.


Schiff has been ratcheting up the volume as the week unfolded.   :shake:

He just got 3 Pinocchios from the Washington Post for his adamant claim that the Whistle Blower has a statutory right to remain anonymous.  Nunes asked Schiff before the end of yesterday's hearing to produce the statute that provided the WB those protections, and Schiff replied that he would.

Schiff can't, because such a statute doesn't exist.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/471256-wapo-gives-schiff-three-pinocchois-on-whistleblower-anonymity-claim

"more nuanced, and debatable"?
um, no
the whistleblower act protects the whistleblower from retaliation, thus negating the need for anonymity
five pinocchios from macsak!

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2019, 09:28:45 AM »
Fiona Hill’s responses go on, and on, and on. Rashida Talib apparently idolizes her.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2019, 03:24:22 PM »
At the end of each hearing, Schiff takes time to make so-called closing remarks.

His closings sound pre-written, with Trump's guilt already a foregone conclusion.  His staff merely peppers the statement with soundbites taken out of context from the day's testimony.

Schiff makes general, nonspecific statements about how no person, or president is above the law.  How a President is not allowed to ask a foreign president to dig up dirt on a political opponent.  How the American people have a duty to hold anyone who abuses the power of their office for personal gain accountable.

What Schiff leaves out of his rants is that nothing he said applies to the inquiry.  There's been no evidence of anything he said.  He's spouting conclusions based on no tangible facts.  Not one witness has testified to any direct knowledge of anything impeachable.  This contradicts Schiff's contention that the WB need not testify as the complaint has led them to firsthand accounts that support the WB's facts.  So far, I've seen the exact opposite. 

Schiff really is disgusting.  This Schiff Show needs to end -- yesterday!
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2019, 08:38:59 PM »

The Dems have not asked any actual questions. 

They did but they were mostly interpretive in nature. They appeared to be laying the foundation for the argument that what Trump did should be understood to be quid pro quo. Now this isn't necessarily a bad argument to make but it is going to be more difficult because of the subjective nature. The same issue exists if it were a bribery case or a threat case in which the offense might be inferred from the statement.

Though in this case there isn't a jury to convince, just a senate full of people who have made up their mind before hearing all the facts then a few in the middle to sway one way or another.

If I had to put money on it all I would bet that Trump was absolutely looking for information that he could use against Biden, but perhaps he figured the cover story of investigating Biden was sufficient. I think Giuliani might have been playing Trump a bit for his own benefit as well. But as they say, it isn't what you know, it is what you can prove and the dems aren't doing a great job of proving it.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2019, 08:45:29 PM by eyeeatingfish »

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2019, 06:05:40 AM »
I’m hearing now that some Dems are backing off impeachment and want to move towards censure as I predicted in an earlier post. But Pelosi won’t allow this fracture in the party. No matter how it destroys the party. No matter what happens in the House, if this does go to the Senate it will turn even worse for the Dems. Because the Republicans are planning on calling the so called whistleblower, Hunter and Joe Biden and others that obviously have actions they have to account for. I don’t see any good coming from either tract Pelosi takes.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2019, 10:11:14 AM »
They did but they were mostly interpretive in nature. They appeared to be laying the foundation for the argument that what Trump did should be understood to be quid pro quo. Now this isn't necessarily a bad argument to make but it is going to be more difficult because of the subjective nature. The same issue exists if it were a bribery case or a threat case in which the offense might be inferred from the statement.

Though in this case there isn't a jury to convince, just a senate full of people who have made up their mind before hearing all the facts then a few in the middle to sway one way or another.

If I had to put money on it all I would bet that Trump was absolutely looking for information that he could use against Biden, but perhaps he figured the cover story of investigating Biden was sufficient. I think Giuliani might have been playing Trump a bit for his own benefit as well. But as they say, it isn't what you know, it is what you can prove and the dems aren't doing a great job of proving it.

Nope.  Trump just spent 3 years being spied on, being investigated, turning over documents, having his people interviewed, being called a Russian agent and a traitor by the MSM daily, and so on.

- 675: The number of days from when Mueller was appointed to the day he turned in his report to Barr.

- 34: people indicted as a result of Mueller's investigation, including Russian nationals and several former Trump aides and advisors.

- 19: lawyers who were employed by the special counsel's office, according to a letter Barr sent to Congress on Sunday.

- About 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff that assisted with the investigation.

- More than 2,800 subpoenas issued by the Special Counsel's office, that's an average of at least four per day.

- Nearly 500 search warrants executed.

- More than 230 orders for communication records.

- Nearly 50 authorized orders for the use of pen registers, a tool that lets the government know who someone is communicating with and when, but not what they said.

- 13 evidence requests to foreign governments

- 500 witnesses interviewed

- $25 million in posted costs as of February

Mueller report:Investigation found no evidence Trump conspired with Russia

Now the Dems are doing a "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" reboot using a call to the Ukrainian President.  He's got a right to be pissed off.

I think he's trying to find out who did what as it relates to the Russian Collusion witch hunt/sham. 

The IG is due to release his findings in the FISA process review in about 2 weeks -- Dec 9. He's also scheduled to testify before Congress on the 11th.

John Durham, who is now running a criminal investigation into the origins of the Russia probe, will hopefully be submitting his report soon.

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Under the supervision of Attorney General William Barr, Durham is conducting an investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation, examining the conduct of the Justice Department, FBI, and intelligence community. Last month, Durham shifted his administrative review to a criminal investigation that allows his team the power to impanel a grand jury and hand down indictments.

Giuiiani and Trump are trying to see if the new President of Ukraine is truthful about going after corruption in the Ukrainian government.  Trump asked about meddling in the 2016 election over and over to his diplomats and to the new president there.  He's not looking to "dig up dirt" on Biden.  He's looking for the truth that Mueller obviously didn't have the balls to dig into during his investigation.  Everything Mueller reported on was about Trump and his team.  Nothing about the FISA warrants, which we now know at least one renewal contained false documentation, the Steele dossier, Fusion GPS (Mueller said in his testimony he wasn't even familiar with the law firm the DNC and the Clinton campaign hired to pay Steele ... really??), and so on. 

Mueller had the DUTY to look into the Russia collusion allegations from all angles, but he, like the other swamp critters, protected the Democrats while throwing people who got tripped up on their interview answers in prison.

Yeah, Trump is pissed, and he's going after the people who went after him and his people.  If Biden stayed out of the race, as he should have done, the corruption investigation Trump wants done would still be a topic he's interested in getting to the bottom of.

Several news agencies published stories long before Trump was looking into them about Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.  trump didn't just think this stuff up to smear Biden (unlike the Russia collusion lies).

There's one "fact" people don't bring up.  If you say Trump wants dirt on Biden, then you must believe Trump thinks Biden will (1) get the DNC nomination, and (2) has a good chance of winning in the General Election.

Trump isn't afraid of anybody.  He'll go nose-to-nose with dictators he's insulted, Democrats in the Congress, and the press.  He doesn't see ANYONE in the Dem primaries as a formidable threat to his reelection.  If you think he needs dirt to beat Biden, you haven't been paying attention for a very long time - at least since 2015.

Trump took on Hildeabeast with mostly his own money, underspent her by more than half the $1.2B she spent, and won in what most honest people consider a landslide.

What "dirt" did he have on Hillary?  Who was the FBI and DOJ helping in the 2016 election?  Who were they spying on?

If you think Trump fears Biden, you need a reality check.

« Last Edit: November 28, 2019, 10:20:02 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

Inspector

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2019, 11:47:34 AM »
Funny how the dnc is going after the guy who wants and investigation into corruptuon. Then want to vote for said corrupt (biden) person.
Shows that its 100% not about finding the truth, but about a witch hunt again.

How many peoples kids involved with a Ukraine power company? Biden, pelosi, kerry. I didnt know all had lots of power source experience. Crickets from the media.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2019, 10:17:12 PM »

If you think Trump fears Biden, you need a reality check.

So Trump just suddenly had the desire to seek justice of possible corruption by Biden? 3 years after the incident when Biden is leading the election pool Trump just decides to follow up on a corruption lead in Ukraine and it has nothing to do with the effect it could have on the election. Yeah, that's totally believable.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2019, 10:39:31 PM »
So Trump just suddenly had the desire to seek justice of possible corruption by Biden? 3 years after the incident when Biden is leading the election pool Trump just decides to follow up on a corruption lead in Ukraine and it has nothing to do with the effect it could have on the election. Yeah, that's totally believable.

You really are blinded by your TDS, huh?

Trump COULD NOT DO ANYTHING related to the 2016 election meddling until after the Mueller witch hunt ended.  Look at the timing.  He started having people look into the Ukrainian election meddling and the reports of the DNC working with them the week after Mueller's Congressional testimony.

It's not rocket science.  His hands were tied.  Now they aren't.  Get a clue.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2019, 10:39:41 PM »
You really are blinded by your TDS, huh?

Trump COULD NOT DO ANYTHING related to the 2016 election meddling until after the Mueller witch hunt ended.  Look at the timing.  He started having people look into the Ukrainian election meddling and the reports of the DNC working with them the week after Mueller's Congressional testimony.

It's not rocket science.  His hands were tied.  Now they aren't.  Get a clue.

His hands weren't tied, he could have done the same thing and if wouldn't affect the Mueller investigation. Come on, you have to come up with a better defense than that.

It is always entertaining that you think anyone who doesn't have a blind loyalty to Trump therefore has "TDS".  Don't code up to defend everything Trump says or does? TDS. Have a criticism of Trump? TDS.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2019, 10:48:24 PM »
His hands weren't tied, he could have done the same thing and if wouldn't affect the Mueller investigation. Come on, you have to come up with a better defense than that.

It is always entertaining that you think anyone who doesn't have a blind loyalty to Trump therefore has "TDS".  Don't code up to defend everything Trump says or does? TDS. Have a criticism of Trump? TDS.

Yeah.  And every member of the Dem party would have been screaming "OBSTRUCTION!!!!!!!!"    :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:

You need a reality check.  Barr, Durham, Rudy, call to Zelensky... all AFTER the Mueller testimony.  If Trump had tried to run a parallel investigation, the media would have been telling everyone Trump was covering up evidence, intimidating witnesses and anything else related to obstruction.  He would have also been blasted for not waiting to see if Mueller already uncovered the things Trump wanted investigated.

Another factor -- the former corrupt Ukrainian president could not be trusted, since he and his people were meddling in the election trying to help Hildabeast win.

Once Mueller was shown to be a one-sided non-investigation, Trump knew he had to do what Mueller and the FBI failed to look into.

TDS is real.  People who have it are often unable to recognize it in others, similarly to how you can't tell if someone else has been drinking if you've been partaking as well.   :rofl:
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

ren

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2019, 10:51:23 PM »
So Trump just suddenly had the desire to seek justice of possible corruption by Biden? 3 years after the incident when Biden is leading the election pool Trump just decides to follow up on a corruption lead in Ukraine and it has nothing to do with the effect it could have on the election. Yeah, that's totally believable.

before that he dealt with North Korea, is continuously working with a trade deal with China, builds a wall on our Southern border, keeps fighting for America first by pulling us out of the Paris Accords,
yep our President has been busy. His accomplishments shadow that of at least 2 Presidents before him.

oh yeah, FISA case comes out in a week. Let's see who really is behind the corruption.
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pull the drain on the swamp

meanwhile the VP's drug addict of a son and Navy discharge officer pulls in millions a year for just being - Biden's son.
"Know anything about energy?" Hunter: "nope"
"Speak Ukranian?" Hunter: "nope."

one of foreign policy's principles IS quid pro quo. We don't give anything to another country for free. There is an exchange.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2019, 10:57:23 PM by ren »
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Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2019, 04:11:22 PM »
Schiff is only giving 24 hours to review impeachment report before voting according to this article.

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/breaking-schiff-is-only-giving-members-24-hours-to-review-the-impeachment-report-before-voting/?utm_source=mcotr
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2019, 05:21:32 PM »
Schiff is only giving 24 hours to review impeachment report before voting according to this article.

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/breaking-schiff-is-only-giving-members-24-hours-to-review-the-impeachment-report-before-voting/?utm_source=mcotr

According to the ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, Doug Collins, the Intel Committee's report will be released sometime Monday.  The vote to send the impeachment matter to Nadler's committee will likely be called around 6PM Tuesday evening, with the Judicial Committee hearings starting on Wednesday.

HOWEVER, Nadler only gave the Republicans until last Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, to submit their list of witnesses they want called.  Obviously that's 5 days before they even get a chance to read the Schiff Show report!  How the hell can they make a list of witnesses when they have no clue what the facts in the report are?

Just more ramrodding by the Dems.  Impeachment is a foregone conclusion to them.  The Constitutional process is just a formality.  They'd skip everything and go straight to the trial if they could.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2019, 08:30:08 PM »
So Trump just suddenly had the desire to seek justice of possible corruption by Biden? 3 years after the incident when Biden is leading the election pool Trump just decides to follow up on a corruption lead in Ukraine and it has nothing to do with the effect it could have on the election. Yeah, that's totally believable.
Its not about the election. Its about the deep state going down. It was the media who got trolled and brought the corruption to light to those who are not awoke.

Many who dont believe the fake news knew about Ukraine years ago.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2019, 08:47:59 PM »
White House won’t take part in first House Judiciary impeachment hearing

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The White House informed House Democrats on Sunday that it will not participate in the Judiciary Committee’s
first impeachment hearing, excoriating Democrats’ impeachment inquiry as a “baseless” and “partisan” exercise
in scathing five-page letter to the panel’s chairman.

The decision indicates that President Donald Trump has listened to his allies and some congressional Republicans
who argued that a White House presence at the hearing would validate a process they have harangued as
illegitimate and partisan.

The complete letter to Nadler, with very direct language explaining what they have been told and why they don't intend to participate -- at least for now:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016e-c400-da31-ab7e-de482d550000
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall