Post by: drck1000 on February 13, 2020, 10:18:51 AM
I've shot them quite a bit, but haven't seriously considered getting one myself. However, a couple of recent developments has me looking at them closer.
Right now, the SIG MPX is lead in interest with an AR based PCC would be next. I've heard good things about JP's PCC. I read up a little on the CZ Scorpion, but sort of turn off by what I read so far.
Post by: Inspector on February 13, 2020, 10:43:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA_P1pc7Z3U
Post by: TooFewPews on February 13, 2020, 10:59:41 AM
https://angstadtarms.com/mdp9/
Post by: drck1000 on February 13, 2020, 11:00:53 AM
Money no object:Isn’t that only SBR? MSRP of $2200-2300 isn’t :shake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA_P1pc7Z3U
I haven’t looked into things in a while, but I heard Noveske isn’t what they used to be.
Post by: stangzilla on February 13, 2020, 11:22:07 AM
https://youtu.be/v3My8l5BjBo
Post by: aieahound on February 13, 2020, 12:31:40 PM
Hi point baby!
Post by: WTF?Shane on February 13, 2020, 02:08:08 PM
I tried it out the other year, but lost interest. I bought the parts to convert an AR to shoot 9mm. I think the Angstadt buffer kit I got wasn't doing a good job because it kicked pretty hard. From what I read, a heavier buffer would've done the trick.
Post by: Drakiir84 on February 13, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
Post by: drck1000 on February 13, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
I've spent the last couple of years thinking about getting one but I've decided against it.You should’ve got a 9 mm Tavor 😝
Post by: drck1000 on February 13, 2020, 02:50:56 PM
Looks like a lot of the local shooters are using the MPX.I was turned off by the price of the MPX, but expanding the search now.
I tried it out the other year, but lost interest. I bought the parts to convert an AR to shoot 9mm. I think the Angstadt buffer kit I got wasn't doing a good job because it kicked pretty hard. From what I read, a heavier buffer would've done the trick.
Post by: mr. me 808 on February 13, 2020, 04:21:30 PM
Post by: Inspector on February 13, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Isn’t that only SBR? MSRP of $2200-2300 isn’t :shake:Is there something wrong with an SBR? I happen to like the PCC as an SBR. It makes a lot of sense to me as an SBR. I think it looks pretty cool, too. You didn’t say we couldn’t discuss models we cannot buy here. :rofl:
I haven’t looked into things in a while, but I heard Noveske isn’t what they used to be.
I don’t know about Noveske today? I have an older Noveske Infidel and it is amazingly accurate and reliable.
Another PCC I think is worth looking at is the Ruger PCC Takedown. The takedown format makes sense to me for a PCC like the SBR makes sense to me.
I want to look at the Sig as it is a delayed blowback format. Not sure but can the Sig be had in an SBR format? That sounds like the perfect PCC to me. :love:
Post by: Inspector on February 13, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
OG PCC :thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
https://youtu.be/v3My8l5BjBo
Don’t forget .357 Magnum as well!!!
Post by: Heavies on February 13, 2020, 05:35:36 PM
Post by: Bota-CS1 on February 13, 2020, 06:10:39 PM
Isn’t that only SBR? MSRP of $2200-2300 isn’t :shake:
I haven’t looked into things in a while, but I heard Noveske isn’t what they used to be.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=35065.0
An HI legal rifle version.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 13, 2020, 09:27:54 PM
Post by: GlockNewb on February 13, 2020, 10:07:19 PM
https://youtu.be/eaUcUqX3q_c
As an AR trainer, I don’t think anything else can beat this. You can get the upper and Pmag inserts shipped direct.
Post by: drck1000 on February 13, 2020, 10:46:48 PM
OG PCC :thumbsup:I’ll get one in .357 Mag one day.
https://youtu.be/v3My8l5BjBo
Post by: drck1000 on February 13, 2020, 10:51:48 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=35065.0Ahh, yeah. I remember that now. $2600 is pushing it, but not out of the realm of possible. 🤔
An HI legal rifle version.
Post by: drck1000 on February 13, 2020, 10:54:12 PM
Been eyeing this beauty for a couple years now...One of the guys uses that Magpul insert thing for PCC matches. It seems to work well and it isn’t expensive.
https://youtu.be/eaUcUqX3q_c
As an AR trainer, I don’t think anything else can beat this. You can get the upper and Pmag inserts shipped direct.
Post by: Inspector on February 14, 2020, 07:04:13 AM
One of the guys uses that Magpul insert thing for PCC matches. It seems to work well and it isn’t expensive.I had an older 9mm upper conversion from CMMG. I tried 3 different magwell conversion blocks before I found one that worked reliably. And it was quite expensive. It was the Colt magazine conversion. The problem I had were with the Colt magazines. I bought good ones but when the second from last round was fired the last round would come out of the magazine before the bolt came back. The bolt would hold open like it was the last round and there was a loose round in it. It was annoying but didn’t jam. I gave up on having a 9mm PCC as I just wanted something like an SBR in 9mm but obviously I can’t have one here.
Fast forward a bit and I bought a CMMG upper in 300 Blackout. That upper has worked flawlessly. My lower is another story. When I adjusted my trigger a little too light and when it got a little dirt in it after about 40 rounds it would go full auto. :rofl: I finally had to back off the adjustment.
I have a lower looking for an upper. I tried the 9mm conversion I mentioned above but I just was not impressed with it. I was not also impressed with the 9mm cartridge in a 16” barrel carbine. But now with the Banshee upper conversion with those ARC magazines I think I know what I want now. And since I am moving to a free state an SBR and a can looks like are in my future. The day I move I am going to apply for my tax stamp. My nephew wants me to go with him to the tactical PCC class he goes to. It’s at an indoor range so has to be a PCC. I was thinking a dedicated PCC instead of the AR conversion since I don’t like those magwell conversions. This certainly makes things more to my liking.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 14, 2020, 09:15:02 AM
Might as well buy a SP5 (HK MP5) with a 16 inch barrel. Same same.
Post by: Duenas0326 on February 14, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
Mech Tech CCU 9mm G19 P80 lower receiver. Hitting steel @ 100yds KKHSC all day...
Post by: drck1000 on February 14, 2020, 10:01:24 AM
I had an older 9mm upper conversion from CMMG. I tried 3 different magwell conversion blocks before I found one that worked reliably. And it was quite expensive. It was the Colt magazine conversion. The problem I had were with the Colt magazines. I bought good ones but when the second from last round was fired the last round would come out of the magazine before the bolt came back. The bolt would hold open like it was the last round and there was a loose round in it. It was annoying but didn’t jam. I gave up on having a 9mm PCC as I just wanted something like an SBR in 9mm but obviously I can’t have one here.A suppressed SBR would be AWESOME! But alas, not for me. At least any time soon. 😩
Fast forward a bit and I bought a CMMG upper in 300 Blackout. That upper has worked flawlessly. My lower is another story. When I adjusted my trigger a little too light and when it got a little dirt in it after about 40 rounds it would go full auto. :rofl: I finally had to back off the adjustment.
I have a lower looking for an upper. I tried the 9mm conversion I mentioned above but I just was not impressed with it. I was not also impressed with the 9mm cartridge in a 16” barrel carbine. But now with the Banshee upper conversion with those ARC magazines I think I know what I want now. And since I am moving to a free state an SBR and a can looks like are in my future. The day I move I am going to apply for my tax stamp. My nephew wants me to go with him to the tactical PCC class he goes to. It’s at an indoor range so has to be a PCC. I was thinking a dedicated PCC instead of the AR conversion since I don’t like those magwell conversions. This certainly makes things more to my liking.
9 mm AR conversions seem to be either finicky or take a bunch of time and effort to troubleshoot and/or tune. I’ve been seeing them more and more in carbine training sessions. See some run pretty well, but see lots with issues and a range of issues. Feeding, ejecting, etc. Not my guns, so don’t know most of the details, but mag quality seems to be a significant factor. Also some issues with trigger compatibility. That’s why I am leaning toward the MPX.
Post by: drck1000 on February 14, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
To me, the only reason to own 1 is if you're going to use it in competition shooting. Other than that, most are over priced.You should expand your horizons a bit...
Might as well buy a SP5 (HK MP5) with a 16 inch barrel. Same same.
Post by: drck1000 on February 14, 2020, 10:02:56 AM
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70745761_10215448807274845_5874202259360841728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQmVpDLip6k9XKm85Y6Up1VS-Cb5WFkjsdhB53n_li-dpGqIElRUtJnaD0WDx0tW-B8&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=ecde49e30f743956849d3260dfeab325&oe=5EB8E2F1Interesting setup. Wish we had more venues to ring steel.
Mech Tech CCU 9mm G19 P80 lower receiver. Hitting steel @ 100yds KKHSC all day...
Post by: GlockNewb on February 14, 2020, 10:10:23 AM
To me, the only reason to own 1 is if you're going to use it in competition shooting. Other than that, most are over priced.
Might as well buy a SP5 (HK MP5) with a 16 inch barrel. Same same.
I’ve been middling about the CMMG upper/Endomags for a while, weighing pros ( fewer range restrictions, 100% AR controls) vs. cons (cost of setup). Cost of ammo isn’t a factor since the per-round difference is negligible for the number of rounds I shoot. Koko Head allowing PCCs definitely swung me in the “buy” direction.
I saw the SP5 on InRangeTV. Tailhook was ok, but if I can’t go full Under Siege, I won’t go at all :P
Post by: ren on February 14, 2020, 10:44:45 AM
I like the low recoil. Like some Nerf guns
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 14, 2020, 11:48:43 AM
You should expand your horizons a bit...Like non HK, Kriss it is then.
Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
Post by: WTF?Shane on February 14, 2020, 12:16:29 PM
I had an older 9mm upper conversion from CMMG. I tried 3 different magwell conversion blocks before I found one that worked reliably. And it was quite expensive. It was the Colt magazine conversion. The problem I had were with the Colt magazines. I bought good ones but when the second from last round was fired the last round would come out of the magazine before the bolt came back. The bolt would hold open like it was the last round and there was a loose round in it. It was annoying but didn’t jam. I gave up on having a 9mm PCC as I just wanted something like an SBR in 9mm but obviously I can’t have one here.
Was it Hahn mag block? I had this. I used Metalform mags and it worked great. I borrowed someone's ASC mag (orange follower) and the BCG wouldn't strip rounds.
Post by: WTF?Shane on February 14, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Post by: Inspector on February 14, 2020, 01:45:52 PM
Was it Hahn mag block? I had this. I used Metalform mags and it worked great. I borrowed someone's ASC mag (orange follower) and the BCG wouldn't strip rounds.Yes, it was a Hahn Mag Block. It is the only one that worked well. I bought Metalform Mags, also some from Brownells. They both did the same thing.
Post by: drck1000 on February 14, 2020, 02:19:02 PM
Pistol Cute Carbines...pew pew pewMore like "poof poof poof"
I like the low recoil. Like some Nerf guns
Post by: drck1000 on February 14, 2020, 02:20:21 PM
Also, if you wanted something different, there's the Kalishnikov USA KR-9.A folding stock SBR version would be awesome.
https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9-sbr/ (https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9-sbr/)
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 14, 2020, 05:26:29 PM
A folding stock SBR version would be awesome.
https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9-sbr/ (https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9-sbr/)
Why settle for a folding stock when the whole gun can fold?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0yS68BzLz0&t=862s
Post by: stangzilla on February 19, 2020, 07:44:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94n0vnElyQg&t=18s
Post by: stangzilla on February 19, 2020, 09:02:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J8fcBLb8CM
Post by: WTF?Shane on March 02, 2020, 06:37:15 PM
Post by: drck1000 on March 02, 2020, 08:34:12 PM
In preparation for the mag ban, I bought some EndoMags so I can try out my 9mm AR upper again. I also picked up a FM 7.8oz buffer to hopefully slow down the cycling and tame the recoil.I’m debating between AR9 and Sig MPX. Handled the Scorpion and don’t care for it.
Post by: blastoff747 on March 03, 2020, 12:24:32 AM
I’m debating between AR9 and Sig MPX. Handled the Scorpion and don’t care for it.
If mag prices are an issue, you can get AR9 ASC colt mags for <$20. MPX mags are around $60.
Post by: drck1000 on March 03, 2020, 08:15:07 AM
If mag prices are an issue, you can get AR9 ASC colt mags for <$20. MPX mags are around $60.It’s a consideration for sure, but priority is the gun itself. I also heard from friends who have AR9 that there appears to be noticeable differences in mags performance/reliability.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on March 03, 2020, 09:50:39 AM
It’s a consideration for sure, but priority is the gun itself. I also heard from friends who have AR9 that there appears to be noticeable differences in mags performance/reliability.
I had the same issues as your friends. My ASC mags wouldn’t lock in my pcc due to the mag catch hole being cut too high up on the mag for it to lock. Luckily I was able to return them.
Post by: drck1000 on March 03, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
I had the same issues as your friends. My ASC mags wouldn’t lock in my pcc due to the mag catch hole being cut too high up on the mag for it to lock. Luckily I was able to return them.Yup. Have seen issues with the ASC mags as well with a least 2 different lowers (brand, builder, etc).
That said, seems like AR9 has a number of “finicky” issues. Trigger packages, ejectors, action spring are a few off the top of my head. Initially I was thinking possibly “builder” issues, but since I’ve seen them across different contexts, seems maybe “just how it is” and have to tweak things. That is one aspect that has me leaning toward Sig. Hoping because it’s a single and consistent platform design. Hope because I’ve also seen Sigs have some issues in recent matches, but I was suspecting ammo issues there.
Post by: Coconut-kid on March 03, 2020, 11:51:53 PM
Hey I see your squaded with Channy and I this weekend. If you want you can shoot PCC with me and run my MPX. :rofl: :geekdanc:
Post by: blastoff747 on March 04, 2020, 12:45:42 AM
Yup. Have seen issues with the ASC mags as well with a least 2 different lowers (brand, builder, etc).
That said, seems like AR9 has a number of “finicky” issues. Trigger packages, ejectors, action spring are a few off the top of my head. Initially I was thinking possibly “builder” issues, but since I’ve seen them across different contexts, seems maybe “just how it is” and have to tweak things. That is one aspect that has me leaning toward Sig. Hoping because it’s a single and consistent platform design. Hope because I’ve also seen Sigs have some issues in recent matches, but I was suspecting ammo issues there.
I got a 9mm conversion on my tavor. The problem I had with ASC mags are with the followers rubbing too much with the mags. I've had to file down the followers and lube the mags.
Had better luck with tavor-branded colt mags.
Post by: drck1000 on March 06, 2020, 09:33:12 AM
DRCK1000Cool. Sounds good. :thumbsup:
Hey I see your squaded with Channy and I this weekend. If you want you can shoot PCC with me and run my MPX. :rofl: :geekdanc:
Post by: drck1000 on March 06, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
I got a 9mm conversion on my tavor. The problem I had with ASC mags are with the followers rubbing too much with the mags. I've had to file down the followers and lube the mags.9 mm conversion? I've shot the 9 mm version of the Tavor and I liked it. Didn't really come to mind when I started considering PCC. It's a little pricey and heavy, but I recall it was fun to shoot.
Had better luck with tavor-branded colt mags.
Post by: stangzilla on March 18, 2020, 07:29:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWU5Xo6jwtM
Post by: drck1000 on October 08, 2020, 08:46:19 AM
I found a Noveske 9 in stock, but it was above MSRP. Even other "usual suspect" AR9s are all out of stock.
Post by: macsak on October 08, 2020, 08:51:42 AM
Got a bump in pay recently (which also comes with a bump in headaches), so I have been looking at PCCs again lately. I already have a bunch of Colt pattern mags, so likely will stick with that direction. But I'm still open to other platforms. However, seems like the 9 mm AR market is still badly affected by the recent run on everything firearms due to COVID, civil unrest, etc.
I found a Noveske 9 in stock, but it was above MSRP. Even other "usual suspect" AR9s are all out of stock.
your boss is still an asshole...
Post by: drck1000 on October 08, 2020, 08:56:46 AM
your boss is still an asshole...Which one? I have many. One might even be a doctor, like a real doctor. . . :rofl:
Post by: GlockNewb on October 08, 2020, 09:03:03 AM
https://youtu.be/eaUcUqX3q_c
Post by: ren on October 08, 2020, 10:27:17 AM
Which one? I have many. One might even be a doctor, like a real doctor. . . :rofl:
are chiropractors Doctors?
Post by: drck1000 on October 08, 2020, 10:39:58 AM
are chiropractors Doctors?chiropractor vs dentist? :rofl:
Post by: Heavies on October 08, 2020, 05:37:49 PM
Got a bump in pay recently (which also comes with a bump in headaches), so I have been looking at PCCs again lately. I already have a bunch of Colt pattern mags, so likely will stick with that direction. But I'm still open to other platforms. However, seems like the 9 mm AR market is still badly affected by the recent run on everything firearms due to COVID, civil unrest, etc.
I found a Noveske 9 in stock, but it was above MSRP. Even other "usual suspect" AR9s are all out of stock.
Picked up the CMMG 9mm upper. The mags are interesting, they have an insert that replaces the guts of regular Magpul 30r magazines. I like that it is a double stack feed system, not single feed like many others, very easy to load, push straight in like a regular 5.56 mag. I need to find some time to zero the dot and irons. I'll also have to wait for the clubs to open up again to give it a proper workout.
I like the fact that I can us it on my regular go to lower, for training and handling purposes. The weight distribution is a little different than my normal 5.56 upper, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 08, 2020, 06:09:10 PM
OG PCC :thumbsup:
https://youtu.be/v3My8l5BjBo
I've been trying so hard to get this rifle. So far no luck. Gonna keep trying, though..... :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on October 08, 2020, 06:36:51 PM
An USPSA/IPSC shooter (I’ve shot wit him many times) has that AR mag insert. Seems like it’s pretty reliable. Chatted with the guy a few times and he said it’s been gtg for him. Good point about the training and handling familiarity aspect. I already invested in a bunch of Colt pattern mags tho.
Picked up the CMMG 9mm upper. The mags are interesting, they have an insert that replaces the guts of regular Magpul 30r magazines. I like that it is a double stack feed system, not single feed like many others, very easy to load, push straight in like a regular 5.56 mag. I need to find some time to zero the dot and irons. I'll also have to wait for the clubs to open up again to give it a proper workout.
I like the fact that I can us it on my regular go to lower, for training and handling purposes. The weight distribution is a little different than my normal 5.56 upper, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Maybe two PCCs? ;D
Post by: Heavies on October 08, 2020, 07:40:55 PM
Maybe two PCCs? ;D
https://youtu.be/GV2Y2kIUkIs
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 02:40:49 AM
Based on everything I’ve read and all the videos I’ve watched and the CMMG upper I own in 300 Blackout I have decided to buy the Banshee Upper with threaded 5” barrel which I’ll register as a SBR. I like the modified mags as a solution. But I’m going to wait until after the panic is over, or at least a few more months since I have so many other projects in the works right now. I’m also going to use this as a platform to test a suppressor and a binary trigger.
Picked up the CMMG 9mm upper. The mags are interesting, they have an insert that replaces the guts of regular Magpul 30r magazines. I like that it is a double stack feed system, not single feed like many others, very easy to load, push straight in like a regular 5.56 mag. I need to find some time to zero the dot and irons. I'll also have to wait for the clubs to open up again to give it a proper workout.
I like the fact that I can us it on my regular go to lower, for training and handling purposes. The weight distribution is a little different than my normal 5.56 upper, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Post by: Heavies on October 09, 2020, 09:01:09 AM
Based on everything I’ve read and all the videos I’ve watched and the CMMG upper I own in 300 Blackout I have decided to buy the Banshee Upper with threaded 5” barrel which I’ll register as a SBR. I like the modified mags as a solution. But I’m going to wait until after the panic is over, or at least a few more months since I have so many other projects in the works right now. I’m also going to use this as a platform to test a suppressor and a binary trigger.
Beautiful! Must be nice to live in America now. Shyed away from PCC here for a long time because, IMO, a 16" bbl is a waste for a pistol round. SBR PCC makes the most sense to me, especially for such things as Home defense and vehicle back up gun in an urban/suburban setting.
Gave in and decided to jump in on the PPC game for training purposes, and the ease and cost of reloading 9mm vs 5.56
Post by: ren on October 09, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
Beautiful! Must be nice to live in America now. Shyed away from PCC here for a long time because, IMO, a 16" bbl is a waste for a pistol round. SBR PCC makes the most sense to me, especially for such things as Home defense and vehicle back up gun in an urban/suburban setting.
Gave in and decided to jump in on the PPC game for training purposes, and the ease and cost of reloading 9mm vs 5.56
exactly my thoughts for living in Hawaii. If I lived in a free state than a PCC would make sense for HD.
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 09:44:49 AM
Beautiful! Must be nice to live in America now. Shyed away from PCC here for a long time because, IMO, a 16" bbl is a waste for a pistol round. SBR PCC makes the most sense to me, especially for such things as Home defense and vehicle back up gun in an urban/suburban setting.It is nice to live in America now, but now it is more expensive! All the things I have wanted for a long time and couldn’t get in Hawaii are now available. ALL AT ONCE!!! :rofl:
Gave in and decided to jump in on the PPC game for training purposes, and the ease and cost of reloading 9mm vs 5.56
The shortages in reloading supplies that I experienced the last time are not quite as bad this time. While it is still really tough to find jacketed bullets, if you wait long enough and watch all the ads and websites, they magically appear occasionally. But this time, plated bullets are readily available and I have been testing them and some are very good and still very cheap. I’m not restricting my 9mm, 38 and 45 shooting at all. I am cutting back a bit on my .223/5.56 and 300 BLK a bit just because I was not able to get as many bullets as I would have liked to prior to the shortages but I can still find the more expensive ones if I so desire. It is just the bulk packed bullets are tough right now. I just don’t have as many as I would have liked to prior to the panic buying. Once fired brass is still available but rising in price which may mean it will be harder to find soon. Powder is pretty available if you check the right places and are willing to compromise on using a good substitute. The only real tough issue are primers right now. At least I recognized the panic buying when I did and stocked up as best I could before everyone ran out.
Post by: drck1000 on October 09, 2020, 12:09:09 PM
Based on everything I’ve read and all the videos I’ve watched and the CMMG upper I own in 300 Blackout I have decided to buy the Banshee Upper with threaded 5” barrel which I’ll register as a SBR. I like the modified mags as a solution. But I’m going to wait until after the panic is over, or at least a few more months since I have so many other projects in the works right now. I’m also going to use this as a platform to test a suppressor and a binary trigger.If I lived up there, or another state with similar gun laws, I'd be broke. My buddies in TX who have SBRs and cans, they are like, "it's not all that". Eff that! I want 'um! Haha. A 9 mm suppressed SBR would be awesome!
Beautiful! Must be nice to live in America now. Shyed away from PCC here for a long time because, IMO, a 16" bbl is a waste for a pistol round. SBR PCC makes the most sense to me, especially for such things as Home defense and vehicle back up gun in an urban/suburban setting.Yeah, I stayed away from PCC for similar reasons. One reason for me looking into them again recently is to shoot carbines at steel at public ranges. Love shooting steel.
Gave in and decided to jump in on the PPC game for training purposes, and the ease and cost of reloading 9mm vs 5.56
PCC isn't really for defense, at least for me. Could be useful for teaching some younger ones to shoot carbines with 9 mm being way cheaper than .223/5.56.