Was this all worth it! to protect the kupuna that are not even infect let alone dying! We must stay home? Why dont the people who are scared of dying stay home and let us get back to life! The virus like ever other virus is not going to vanish!

Everybody in the modern world IS going to get exposed to this along with all sorts of other viruses.
Much like Chicken Pox. Once you get it, you have it forever.  It can kill, but mostly doesn't.
I thank God almighty, that Democrats were more normal when I caught chicken pox
and was physically scarred by it as a child.  Today they may have permanently destroyed all American
life because of their fear of a disease that MAY kill an adult that has never had it.
That is what we are doing today, letting Democrats destroy our America, in the name of fear.
I'm old, I'm not afraid of this virus. I'm not afraid to die. I do fear for the freedoms
of my kids and grandchildren..

We were never even really in a full lockdown either. We just couldn’t go to work. I firmly believe this is all because “orange man bad.”

A real lockdown would’ve been like China where they locked their people into their homes and they died of starvation. It’s hilarious to think that “social distancing” and stay at home orders had any effect whatsoever.

I like it. Being one kupuna on fixed income that more than meets my needs, I got an extra $2400 tax free (me and wife), I get to go shopping ahead of those under 60 and my laid off daughter who lives with us is giving me an extra $300 a month above her rent.  Her UI plus the $600 from the Fed per week is making her feel generous.

I like it. Being one kupuna on fixed income that more than meets my needs, I got an extra $2400 tax free (me and wife), I get to go shopping ahead of those under 60 and my laid off daughter who lives with us is giving me an extra $300 a month above her rent.  Her UI plus the $600 from the Fed per week is making her feel generous.

You are proud to receive something you did work even for!?And rely on government to foot the bill! God bless America

The issue is, do you really believe when the "test" comes back positive?  You're basically taking the doctors word for it.  How much does a hospital make when treating someone with CV vs. the flu or other like illness?  How much does a hospital get reimbursed if someone goes on a ventilator?

#tinfoil #epsteindiedofCOVID19

But to be fair, Oahu has about 800K people.  And only about 400 were ever infected to date.  So the odds of knowing someone is very low.  Oh wait, Clarence Nishihara caught it.  So most of us should change our answer to yes.  He went to Vegas at end of feb.  Then had the mag limit hearings in early March. Then was diagonzed with CV.

You are proud to receive something you did work even for!?And rely on government to foot the bill! God bless America

I too am on a pension, fixed income. Not social security, just yet.
I will use the $2400 to pay my federal income tax. My pension is Federal, but
not state taxable.
I'm sure I earned it.
IIRC UI is an insurance that we pay into when we work, even if we
never see it,  it was part of our wages, we didn't get.
The $600 is BS but trying to manage an incremental system with a Federal
oversight, it is probably cheaper to just "Peanut butter it".

We were never even really in a full lockdown either. We just couldn’t go to work. I firmly believe this is all because “orange man bad.”

A real lockdown would’ve been like China where they locked their people into their homes and they died of starvation. It’s hilarious to think that “social distancing” and stay at home orders had any effect whatsoever.

Where did you hear about Chinese people dying of starvation?

I work and am in close contact with many Chinese in China and never heard about the Chinese government starving their people due to their shutdown order.

Where did you hear about Chinese people dying of starvation?

I work and am in close contact with many Chinese in China and never heard about the Chinese government starving their people due to their shutdown order.

I've heard rumors of this, but never any actual proof or vids.  There are vids of people being ripped from their homes and marched with hands tied in long lines like 10 people long in the streets.

I guess a real question is, do you think you or someone you know had it. They weren't testing people early on and still aren't testing a lot of people, nor were people going to get tested for fear of testing positive. Also, how many homeless, or houseless went and got tested. They run around being constantly sick.

I firmly believe a lot of people have had it but were never tested for it. Myself included in that. I think it ran though my household of 6 (me, wife, 2 kids, her parents) with myself, the wife and her dad all having had it. But with Kaiser not testing unless you meet the defined symptom set of unable to breathe and high fever, you were just noted as having the flu. Call back if the symptoms get worse.

We're very sure the wife had it in January before it became cool to get it as she was almost bedridden and couldn't breathe very well. Her words were that it felt like climbing Mt. Everest just to go upstairs to bed and she could never get enough oxygen in. She's positive she picked it up at the McD in Waikele. Her dad had a hard time also at the same time, but not as bad with breathing. Got lucky with him as he and his wife are both in their 70's. I think I had it in March, but very lightly and still have a random cough. Kaiser says the cough will last 4 - 6 weeks so I'm looking at mid to end of May before it goes away.

The real damage caused by this "disease" will be economically. The real pain hasn't even come yet. That will start showing up in about another month or so when we "reopen" and there is no food to distribute because so much was destroyed and not refreshed in the system. Why plant/grow new just to destroy it again? Waste of time, energy and money.

I guess we will all find out

I know a guy who came back from a trip in January and got sick.
He spread it to his coworkers. His wife never got it.
Everybody recovered ok.

I've heard rumors of this, but never any actual proof or vids.  There are vids of people being ripped from their homes and marched with hands tied in long lines like 10 people long in the streets.

The videos may be real, but without the proper context, one can't make any conclusions.

There is no denying when China decides to shut down, it really means shut down.  For example, many of my close Chinese friends and colleagues confirmed that if a person who lives in an apartment building gets Covid-19, the whole building is quarantined.  Food is provided by the government to all those in the building and employed people will not loose their jobs while at home.  No one is allowed in or allowed to come out.

With that kind of shut down backed by a government committed to stopping the spread of Covid-19, it comes to no surprise as to the total number of infections and deaths they experienced relatively compared to other nations.

You are proud to receive something you did work even for!?And rely on government to foot the bill! God bless America

Oh I more than worked for it.  Even as far back as 2006 I sent the US Treasury $26k in Fed taxes and tens of thousands more until I sold my business in 2014.  So now they give me back a couple thousand.  So before you criticize somebody for getting what most other people got, think twice.  If you did get a stimulus payment, why don't you return it or give it to charity since you didn't work for it.

I firmly believe a lot of people have had it but were never tested for it. Myself included in that. I think it ran though my household of 6 (me, wife, 2 kids, her parents) with myself, the wife and her dad all having had it. But with Kaiser not testing unless you meet the defined symptom set of unable to breathe and high fever, you were just noted as having the flu. Call back if the symptoms get worse.

What kind of medical care is that?

The nation that brags having the greatest and most advanced medical system in the World and the best BS they can tell you and your obviously virus stricken family in the middle of this pandemic is "Call back if the symptoms get worse?"

You are right that the economic fallout is yet to come, but what happened and where was all the money prior to Covid-19 outbreak that led to Kaiser and the rest of the American medical establishment not being able to do more for your ohana?

What kind of medical care is that?

The nation that brags having the greatest and most advanced medical system in the World and the best BS they can tell you and your obviously virus stricken family in the middle of this pandemic is "Call back if the symptoms get worse?"

You are right that the economic fallout is yet to come, but what happened and where was all the money prior to Covid-19 outbreak that led to Kaiser and the rest of the American medical establishment not being able to do more for your ohana?

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This was back in January when it wasn't in Vogue.
Like my friend.

I guess a real question is, do you think you or someone you know had it. They weren't testing people early on and still aren't testing a lot of people, nor were people going to get tested for fear of testing positive. Also, how many homeless, or houseless went and got tested. They run around being constantly sick.

I had 2 friends who had flu like symptoms, but way worst in December.  And it took longer than the flu to recover from.  none traveled.  But then again, the mortality rate is 1-2%.

Oh I more than worked for it.  Even as far back as 2006 I sent the US Treasury $26k in Fed taxes and tens of thousands more until I sold my business in 2014.  So now they give me back a couple thousand.  So before you criticize somebody for getting what most other people got, think twice.  If you did get a stimulus payment, why don't you return it or give it to charity since you didn't work for it.

So were did the 2 trillion come from its your money to begin with!?
Dont work! make more national Debt! Stand in a line to get free food! Give essential works free stuff and stay home to protect the live that are in danger!

Did anyone see the traffic yesterday in Waipahu for the food giveaway?
Nuts!

Did anyone see the traffic yesterday in Waipahu for the food giveaway?
Nuts!

I saw the news.  A HS classmate reported being stuck in that line for like 6 hours!  But he got a LOT of food.  More than his family of 3 needs, so he was sharing with neighbors/friends. 

Was this all worth it! to protect the kupuna that are not even infect let alone dying! We must stay home? Why dont the people who are scared of dying stay home and let us get back to life! The virus like ever other virus is not going to vanish!

It’s not just about the kupuna - even young healthy adults are dying from this.   The past two fatalities we know any details about in HI are men over the age of 65.  One actually got released and then relapsed and died.  That’s super sad.  I see the same argument whenever a TV station or a newspaper posts about the subject and I’m curious as to what people mean when they say “get back to life”.  What does that mean for you?