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Title: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: dogman on March 16, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
At home my M & P 40 is always loaded and close by, but I'm not comfortable with a round in the chamber.   :shake:
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Post by: Q on March 16, 2014, 08:26:52 PM
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Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: suka on March 16, 2014, 08:30:08 PM
HRS 134- 10.5
specifically forbids our family to have a loaded gun in the home.

Our elected official prefer you call 911 in case of emergencies ( for the children )




[�134-10.5]  Storage of firearm; responsibility with respect to minors.  No person shall store or keep any firearm on any premises under the person's control if the person knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the parent or guardian of the minor, unless the person:

     (1)  Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

     (2)  Carries the firearm on the person or within such close proximity thereto that the person readily can retrieve and use it as if it were carried on the person.

For purposes of this section, "minor" means any person under the age of sixteen years. [L 1992, c 288, �1]

Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: sliver on March 16, 2014, 08:35:47 PM
Gun?

Who needs a gun when I have an axe.  :rofl:

hell yes!
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: rustyeleio on March 16, 2014, 08:48:05 PM
I understood the HRS to mean that any firearm, loaded or unloaded, needs to be secure from any minor living in the house.  The loaded/unloaded state of the firearm is not addressed, only the requirement to keep it secured.  This is my interpretation at least.

Yes, an axe can be quite handy.  I have a bat just in case.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: suka on March 16, 2014, 08:51:38 PM
Yeap , no sense have a loaded firearm when its lock up.

Those bedside digital finger press safes are nice and neat, but the combination is so easy.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Kingkeoni on March 16, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
I always have a round in the chamber.

One less thing to think about when something goes bump in the night.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: oldfart on March 16, 2014, 09:15:40 PM
At home my M & P 40 is always loaded and close by, but I'm not comfortable with a round in the chamber.   :shake:
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Some people here would laugh at you, but it's really your choice. If you feel uncomfortable, then don't chamber a round.
A lot of people do not feel comfortable around guns. Nobody here would criticize those people for not having a sd gun.
At least you took the initiative to (presumably) take a safety course and invest in a fine firearm for self defense.
If I were you, I would practice loading and firing, as you would have to do in an emergency. I suppose there is some deterrent effect of the sound of a slide racking a round into the chamber, like the distinctive sound of a pump shotgun shucking a round into the chamber.

I presume your pistol is secured into a quick access lock box of some sort.

Personally, I do keep a round chambered in my SD gun.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Tom_G on March 16, 2014, 09:43:24 PM
Yes, fully loaded, round in the chamber.  If it is needed, it is ready.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Tom_G on March 16, 2014, 09:45:03 PM



[�134-10.5]  Storage of firearm; responsibility with respect to minors.  No person shall store or keep any firearm on any premises under the person's control if the person knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the parent or guardian of the minor, unless the person:

     (1)  Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

     (2)  Carries the firearm on the person or within such close proximity thereto that the person readily can retrieve and use it as if it were carried on the person.

For purposes of this section, "minor" means any person under the age of sixteen years. [L 1992, c 288, �1]



HRS forbids you from leaving a gun lying where a minor can get it, not from keeping a gun on you for defense while children are present.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: CSaladino on March 16, 2014, 11:07:33 PM
No but I can get lock & loaded in under 10 seconds!
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: edster48 on March 17, 2014, 05:42:29 AM
Cocked and locked, spare mag and rounds in the safe, change out the mags on regular basis to keep the springs from becoming permanently compressed causing a failure to feed.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: jonjon on March 17, 2014, 08:10:12 AM
No but I can get lock & loaded in under 10 seconds!

But remember it takes on average only 1.5 seconds for an attacker to close 21 feet of distance -  10 seconds is a looooooooong time  :shaka:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: mmmorgalis64 on March 17, 2014, 09:02:05 AM
I keep mine loaded, but no round in the chamber.
I lock all my doors, including my bedroom and when pooping/showering.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Haoleb on March 17, 2014, 11:00:29 AM
When I am at home I have my ruger LCP fully loaded either in my pocket or nearby. When I leave it gets locked up but not unloaded. When I move back to a free state it will just hang out in my pocket all the time  :thumbsup:

It is a little un nerving at first to carry a loaded handgun in your pocket... I carried for a while completely empty to get used to it and also so I could practice drawing and dry firing at inanimate objects randomly. I have also brought it to the range and practiced drawing and firing off all 7 rounds as quickly as possible. (one good thing about not having an actual range in kona!)

Do whatever you feel comfortable with.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: macsak on March 17, 2014, 11:50:44 AM
Yes, fully loaded, round in the chamber.  If it is needed, it is ready.

i keep chamber empty
my reasoning is, that i don't put one in the chamber because i am worried about bullet setback from repeated chambering of the same round
i go to the range at least monthly, so that would mean every few months, i would have to shoot the chambered round so it doesn't get overpressured
if i ever have to take out my gun because someone is in the house, as i retrieve it, i will rack the slide
yes, i know this is not tactically correct, but it makes more sense to me, since i will be going to the range many more times than i will be having to pull out my handgun to defend my house
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Bcspy on March 17, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
I have no round in chamber. Suspect/s have to set off the house alarm, even the garage door is hook up to the alarm. Then suspect/s have to pass the inside dogs. If he have a weapon then immediate threat. Alarm monitor should call 911 and hear all conversation. Lots of signs posted, lights, and CCTV around perimeter. I can justify its a good shoot or handcuff them before police arrive.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Tom_G on March 17, 2014, 12:51:18 PM
i keep chamber empty
my reasoning is, that i don't put one in the chamber because i am worried about bullet setback from repeated chambering of the same round

Yeah, that's what you get for using one of them fancy new auto-repeaters.  Get a REAL handgun! 
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: BLKDRGN on March 17, 2014, 12:53:50 PM
For law purposes, would having a chambered round be better than one that is not?

1. I picked up my gun and fired it at the intruder.
2. I picked up my gun, chambered it, and fired it at the intruder.
3. I picked up my gun, loaded the magazine, chambered it, and fired it at the intruder.

Wondering if lawyers would nit pick and say that since you decided to load it, it took you some time to think about what you plan on doing with it. Maybe even a super long stretch like you premeditated it by taking your time to load the weapon first.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: aieahound on March 17, 2014, 01:12:32 PM
Yeah, that's what you get for using one of them fancy new auto-repeaters.  Get a REAL handgun! 

+1  :thumbsup:
(Going in the 2a Classic Quotes )
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Lifer on March 17, 2014, 01:26:48 PM
For law purposes, would having a chambered round be better than one that is not?

1. I picked up my gun and fired it at the intruder.
2. I picked up my gun, chambered it, and fired it at the intruder.
3. I picked up my gun, loaded the magazine, chambered it, and fired it at the intruder.

Wondering if lawyers would nit pick and say that since you decided to load it, it took you some time to think about what you plan on doing with it. Maybe even a super long stretch like you premeditated it by taking your time to load the weapon first.

Interesting observation.....sounds like some of this is going on with the Pistorious murder trial. With the Pistorious trail, even use of hollow points became a factor in the prosecution.

I think some of the premeditation factor will depend on local law and statutes. The same scenario defensive shooting in Hawaii will play out much differently in Texas.

Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: macsak on March 17, 2014, 01:34:05 PM
Yeah, that's what you get for using one of them fancy new auto-repeaters.  Get a REAL handgun!

yeah, but then if an intruder was in my house, i'd have to put on jeans, cowboy boots, spurs, chaps, long sleeve shirt, bandana, vest, leather long coat, 10 gallon hat...
and by that time, i would be dead from the intruder
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: jonjon on March 17, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
yeah, but then if an intruder was in my house, i'd have to put on jeans, cowboy boots, spurs, chaps, long sleeve shirt, bandana, vest, leather long coat, 10 gallon hat...
and by that time, i would be dead from the intruder


Don't lie MAC - you wouldn't put all of that on, it would just be the vest and chaps :thumbsup:

I keed I keed  :rofl:

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Post by: Q on March 17, 2014, 01:59:09 PM
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Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: macsak on March 17, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
I fixed it for you

yup, that's how i sleep

oh, and a BIG holster
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Bcspy on March 17, 2014, 02:09:05 PM
You guys made my day.  Have not had a good laugh for a while.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: 230RN on March 17, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
Six rounds in chambers of bedroom gun.  Always,



Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: macsak on March 17, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
You guys made my day.  Have not had a good laugh for a while.

you should come to a GTG some time
we had 5.5 hours of stupid conversation just like this on saturday night
and an additional 3 hours last wednesday too
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Bota-CS1 on March 17, 2014, 02:18:42 PM
I fixed it for you

yup, that's how i sleep

oh, and a BIG holster


The first image that came to mind after I read this was the Blue Oyster Bar from the Police Academy movies.

 :stopjack:

I prefer to keep the gun "cold" with a mag handy & ready if needed.

Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Antithesis on March 17, 2014, 03:05:55 PM
I fixed it for you

haha you guys are too funny. :D

My home defense gun has a magazine in, but no round in the chamber. 
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Pit808 on March 17, 2014, 07:32:39 PM
Six rounds in chambers of bedroom gun.  Always,

Make that 5 chambers full of gold dots for me  :thumbsup:  All 5 ready to follow the laser.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: rustyeleio on March 17, 2014, 07:59:43 PM

Don't lie MAC - you wouldn't put all of that on, it would just be the vest and chaps :thumbsup:

I keed I keed  :rofl:

ROFL :thumbsup:  I was standing in line for malasadas and I just started laughing.  Super funny!
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: oldfart on March 18, 2014, 02:12:02 AM

Don't lie MAC - you wouldn't put all of that on, it would just be the vest and chaps :thumbsup:

I keed I keed  :rofl:
:-)
 :rofl:
STOP PUTTING PICTURES IN MY BRAIN!
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: 230RN on March 18, 2014, 06:10:39 AM
Make that 5 chambers full of gold dots for me  :thumbsup:  All 5 ready to follow the laser.
Actually, for one of my carry guns, that's 100% true, too.  Including the laser.  Including the Gold Dots.

Lasered J-frame always resides in either my coat or pants pocket when going out.  Ideal summer carry gun.  In the midst of changing the batteries in mine right now.

I only answered the thread question with respect to my in-the-house SD gun, a six-chambered revolvolator, even though the thread was directed toward them automagical guns.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Surf on March 18, 2014, 04:31:05 PM
Of course, I wouldn't do it any other way. 
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: SOLEsource684 on March 18, 2014, 04:46:43 PM
G19 w TLR-4 loaded and chambered in the nightstand. Full battle-rattle SHTF rifle loaded not chambered in the safe. Gonna get a shotgun soon and that will be loaded not chambered as well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: passivekinetic on March 18, 2014, 06:47:19 PM

The first image that came to mind after I read this was the Blue Oyster Bar from the Police Academy movies.

You guys know what is a Blue Oyster right?  :shaka:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Bota-CS1 on March 18, 2014, 07:15:36 PM
You guys know what is a Blue Oyster right?  :shaka:

Ssssssshhhhh!!!!   onDay'tay owblay ouryay ecretsay!
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: dogman on March 19, 2014, 05:18:17 AM
Thanks for all the replies  :shaka: Maybe I'll switch to a revolvolator for home defense  ;)
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Growler67 on March 19, 2014, 12:07:06 PM
Loaded mags and one round chambered in my SD/HD guns....they are just bricks or paperweights otherwise.....
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: bok88 on March 19, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
Loaded mags but no round in chamber sleeping close to my surefire light.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Pit808 on March 19, 2014, 06:50:31 PM
Thanks for all the replies  :shaka: Maybe I'll switch to a revolvolator for home defense  ;)

Reasons a wheelie sits next to the bed:
- wife had a hard time racking a slide
- can't limp wrist malfunction a revo
- wheelie 2nd shot not dependent on the first shot to cycle the action
- no hammer / slide movement to get snagged on anything

BTW: its a S&W no lock 640-1  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: dogman on March 19, 2014, 07:32:55 PM


BTW: its a S&W no lock 640-1  :thumbsup:

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: whynow? on March 19, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
+1 more on loaded mag, none in chamber  about 6' from bed.  Right or wrong, I rely on armed alarm system at night and all windows secured.  Things may change if increase in home invasions (etc.) start happening. 
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Kimo772 on March 20, 2014, 07:57:15 AM
+1 for Pit808 and the revolver.  My SW model 65 is within arms length and loaded with SD 357's.  Almost forget, filled speed-loader included.   
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: stangzilla on March 21, 2014, 08:15:30 AM
Thanks for all the replies  :shaka: Maybe I'll switch to a revolvolator for home defense  ;)

for the purpose of this thread,
what is the difference in keeping a loaded revolver and a loaded semiauto?
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: mauidog on March 21, 2014, 05:19:44 PM
for the purpose of this thread,
what is the difference in keeping a loaded revolver and a loaded semiauto?

Not much diff with DA revolver.  If its SAO, then no chance of accidental trigger pull with hammer down.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Walena on March 21, 2014, 06:49:57 PM
Have 2 of each SOG Fasthawks, Gerber Gator Jr.s, and 18" Aluminum billys in various hidden places at home to buy me time in case I have to get to my loaded .357....which when accessed, should be the last resort.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Kingkeoni on March 21, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
This is my last resort.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: dogman on March 21, 2014, 07:57:09 PM
for the purpose of this thread,
what is the difference in keeping a loaded revolver and a loaded semiauto?

I didn't consider a revolver until reading some of the replies. I would feel comfortable with a loaded SA or DA revolver just because it would take a little more effort to discharge the weapon than a semi-auto with a round in the chamber. I don't know if that's really a good reason ???. I have a GP100 but I'd want something with a shorter barrel. If you see a guy at the gun show checking out revolvers it might be me.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Tom_G on March 21, 2014, 09:44:22 PM
for the purpose of this thread,
what is the difference in keeping a loaded revolver and a loaded semiauto?

If you have misplaced concerns about magazine springs, or more legitimate concerns about ammo taking a beating due to repeated loadings and unloadings, a revolver has neither of those issues. 
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Surf on March 22, 2014, 07:16:11 AM
In general, those who do not like to keep a round chambered usually have that opinion due to a lack of general familiarity with firearms or lack of comfort in carrying in that mode.  This is most likely due to a deficiency in training and experience with firearms.  If we are going to take on the responsibility of using a firearm to defend our homes, as a responsible firearm owner who has accepted that responsibility it is our duty to be as comfortable and proficient as possible with that weapon.  If we are not comfortable enough to have a round in the chamber I might suggest that your chances of success at home defense dramatically decreases.  If you fall into that lack of comfort category, I might suggest some quality training and much more time allotted for practice.  Other concerns about kids or family members, we need to keep the weapons secure anyway.  Quite honestly the spring issue especially in quality modern firearms is a non factor. 

 
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: macsak on March 22, 2014, 07:24:21 AM
In general, those who do not like to keep a round chambered usually have that opinion due to a lack of general familiarity with firearms or lack of comfort in carrying in that mode.  This is most likely due to a deficiency in training and experience with firearms.  If we are going to take on the responsibility of using a firearm to defend our homes, as a responsible firearm owner who has accepted that responsibility it is our duty to be as comfortable and proficient as possible with that weapon.  If we are not comfortable enough to have a round in the chamber I might suggest that your chances of success at home defense dramatically decreases.  If you fall into that lack of comfort category, I might suggest some quality training and much more time allotted for practice.  Other concerns about kids or family members, we need to keep the weapons secure anyway.  Quite honestly the spring issue especially in quality modern firearms is a non factor. 

 

well said, surf
i think a distinction needs to be made, however
i would chamber a round if we ever get the right to carry, and i choose to do so
at home, however, i choose not to for reasons i listed previously

i am curious, what other's reasons are for not chambering
it seems like a majority are not chambering, yet i was the only one who listed the reason why
for conversation's sake, i am wondering why everyone else chooses not to chamber
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Rocky on March 22, 2014, 08:29:19 AM
well said, surf
i think a distinction needs to be made, however
i would chamber a round if we ever get the right to carry, and i choose to do so
at home, however, i choose not to for reasons i listed previously

i am curious, what other's reasons are for not chambering
it seems like a majority are not chambering, yet i was the only one who listed the reason why
for conversation's sake, i am wondering why everyone else chooses not to chamber

+ 1  :thumbsup:

     I do not put gas in my car only when I am ready to use it.  :crazy:
Time is of the essence.

     The following are pretty much standard rules and  for those of you in the know, NRA changed their "Loaded gun " rule a while back from "treat all guns as loaded" to it's present form.
 
 There are many variations, and one of them is the Four Rules introduced by Colonel Jeff Cooper (1920), which are:

1.All guns are always loaded.
2.Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3.Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4.Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
—Jeff Cooper[1]


The NRA provides a similar set of rules:

1.ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
2.ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
3.ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
—The National Rifle Association, The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling[2]


The Canadian Firearms Program uses the concept of The Four Firearm ACTS:

1.Assume every firearm is loaded.
2.Control the muzzle direction at all times.
3.Trigger finger off trigger and out of trigger guard.
4.See that the firearm is unloaded. PROVE it safe.
—Canadian Firearms Centre, The Four ACTS of Firearm Safety[3]

  As Surf sez, if you cannot be comfortable with a loaded firearm, you need more training.
For all of those who would not have "one in the tube" at home, would you  "carry " that way ? :wacko:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Jdelacruz on March 22, 2014, 08:47:43 AM
Interesting article about this.

http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html (http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html)

Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Tom_G on March 22, 2014, 09:27:24 AM
Interesting article about this.

http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html (http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html)



That's a good article. 
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Pit808 on March 22, 2014, 11:08:16 AM
I keep my 640 in a small quick access safe.  It's been there before my kids were born and they grew up walking right past it.  They don't even notice it and have no idea whats in there.  Being that it is secured in the safe, I don't see why I wouldn't have loaded chambers regardless of if its a revo or semi.  If it was tucked under a mattress or under a pillow, then I could see leaving the chamber empty but recommend a better way to store it anyway.  Having to rack a slide just complicates the situation.  When you just woke up unexpectedly and are under stress, will you short stroke the slide? What if you accidentally hit the mag release?  Would you rather still have 1 in the chamber or looking under the bed for all of your rounds with a empty chamber? If this is a non-issue because you bought a pistol with a mag safety, then that's your fault and should have bought a real gun.  j/k  :rofl:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Surf on March 22, 2014, 01:56:02 PM
Interesting article about this.

http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html (http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2010/09/myths-of-israeli-method-of-carry-or-why.html)
We need to consider that anyone can write a blog.  I am familiar with the author and I very much do not subscribe to his article, other online things he has written and he takes a stance that conflicts with a great deal of current progressive methodology.  Not saying one is right or wrong, but if I chose I could sit here and dissect that article and punch many holes in it.  Holes in it not from just speculation but from many years of training individuals in Force on Force (FoF) or defensive shooting techniques including hand to hand when a firearm is involved.  Even with a little exposure to FoF training a pattern becomes obviously clear when using certain techniques.  The biggest problem with FoF or defensive training is that even your most average person will have a hard enough time to effectively bring to bear a firearm that just needs a trigger pulled even under an "ideal" defensive stress situation.  Put some type of a twist to the scenario and asking someone to rack a round and deploy the weapon becomes nearly impossible before getting seriously injured or perhaps sustaining what would equate to a lethal wound in real life.  We have tested the empty chamber theory in scenarios ad nauseum from the untrained to moderately trained to the highly trained.  The first two groups consistently fail terribly.  Even though the highly trained fair better, there are far more scenarios where they may have more issues.  I will also note that I can draw, rack a round and fire a well aimed shot faster than most people can just draw and pull trigger.  However I know of many situations that I could reasonably find myself in where I could be at a huge disadvantage if I needed to rack my weapon. 

The easiest way to look at this is to perhaps look towards Law Enforcement, the Military or any of the most respected trainers in the Nation.  Now you can even look beyond this nation and take it world wide.  There is a reason that so few true professionals or modern methodology in general concludes that carrying with an empty chamber is a good idea. This should be the biggest clue.  Do not induce a mechanical disadvantage as a mechanism for safety.  Train the individual, because when your life or your family members life is on the line, you want every advantage and as much skill and familiarity with your firearm to go with it.

ETA - I am not suggesting anything to anyone, nor offering any advice.  We are all free to make our own choices in life.   
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Jdelacruz on March 22, 2014, 02:53:32 PM
I think we all know anyone can write up anything they want on the internet. That's a given. He does present some interesting arguments for those who choose not to chamber a round.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: whynow? on March 22, 2014, 08:52:40 PM
well said, surf
i think a distinction needs to be made, however
i would chamber a round if we ever get the right to carry, and i choose to do so
at home, however, i choose not to for reasons i listed previously

i am curious, what other's reasons are for not chambering
it seems like a majority are not chambering, yet i was the only one who listed the reason why
for conversation's sake, i am wondering why everyone else chooses not to chamber

At home, I don't chamber a round due to what I perceive to be the current threat level in my home and neighborhood added to the fact that my alarm system is armed, all windows secured, have a commercial type steel door and frame  and have motion sensor lights on all sides of the house etc.  If  I saw the threat level changing then I would chamber a round with my P239 hammer down and first shot in DA.
BUT then this thread started me thinking and I began to remember that in anything important, consistency is a must.   Meaning that if sometimes I have no round in the chamber and at other times I might, this may lead to uncertainty.
If a round is always chambered except during maintenance, training with holster etc. then your mindset should be consistent.   Soooo, I have decided to change and start chambering in my HD pistol.
That said, I admit I could use some good defensive shooting and holster training and more range time. 
 This is my opinions only since others have different experiences.  Good thread and discussion. :shaka:
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Flipdog69xxx on March 25, 2014, 06:24:11 PM
For me it depends. When I'm all by myself, it's loaded with one in the chamber ready to go. When other family is in the house, it's in the safe, with loaded mag next to it and empty chamber.
Title: Re: Does your home defense handgun have a round in the chamber?
Post by: Dohertyusmc on March 31, 2014, 08:53:34 PM
Short answer Yes