Looks like about another week until the storm is paced to reach Hawaii. Looks like another potential showdown between a Pacific hurricane and the Big Island. In any case, everyone be safe, especially you folks on the east side of the Big Island!
Will be going out of down mid next week, so hopefully the storm will have taken a southerly route well before then.
somehow, this is going to be trump's fault...Global warming. . .
Global warming. . .
Paris AcordsAcord?
Acord?
focus? ???
:rofl:
Trump has slashed funding to the sciences and to NASA, so they had no choice but to turn off their weather control systems. This hurricane is only the first indicator of trouble!
Damn. I need drinking water.
Can drink water out of the water heater. Or disinfect water with bleach.
Don't forget to update your bug out , firearm records, . :thumbsup:
I hope it doesn’t hit us, but if it does, I would like my whole house to be destroyed. My hurricane insurance policy show the replacement cost more than twice what I paid for the whole property with the existing house. That way I can get a new house built and designed the way I want, which will then include a fortified safe room, with the entry from the my bedroom.
I have two generators and 15 gal of gas on hand. I am going to pickup another 10 gal. 20 gal of diesel, which should be enough for the two tractors. Lots of canned and frozen food. 5 full propane tanks and 10k gal of water in the catchment tank. I am as prepared as I need be. Also the most important thing, I have become good friends with quite a few people in the 4 years I have been here. Half of them in construction and two of them have heavy equipment like excavators, cranes, skidsteers, dump trucks etc.
Not 100% sure, but I don't think they will pay for your safe room. Just to replace as close as possible exact home to current code before the loss. Building to code now cost way more compared to code 40 years ago.
Unless you had a safe room, but the entire home blew away so they can't prove you didn't have one....
My friend had his house replaced after a fire destroyed it. He had a few upgrades included, like central heat & air, at a much reduced cost than having it installed in an existing home.Insurance coverage is based on what the company thinks it will cost to rebuild a duplicate. I have a bigger house than I need because my MIL was supposed to move in with us but then changed her mind after we bought the house. That really pissed me off because I could have saved tens of thousands buying a smaller house. I paid $377k for a fully fenced 3 acre property with a 3800 sq ft 6 bedroom 3 bath house. The policy shows a replacement cost for the house at $774k plus $200k for contents. I am pretty sure they will let me build a smaller house the way I want if the cost will be $200-300k less than rebuilding what I lost. If they don't then they are really stupid.
In fact, you could have them leave a space unfinished for your safe room, then finish it yourself the way you want and save the labor costs.
As for insurance coverage, they won't pay more than what it will cost to replace what was already there. If your limits are double that, then you are over-insured.
Your broker should be sending you a gift basket each year for Christmas. :rofl:
Insurance coverage is based on what the company thinks it will cost to rebuild a duplicate. I have a bigger house than I need because my MIL was supposed to move in with us but then changed her mind after we bought the house. That really pissed me off because I could have saved tens of thousands buying a smaller house. I paid $377k for a fully fenced 3 acre property with a 3800 sq ft 6 bedroom 3 bath house. The policy shows a replacement cost for the house at $774k plus $200k for contents. I am pretty sure they will let me build a smaller house the way I want if the cost will be $200-300k less than rebuilding what I lost. If they don't then they are really stupid.
If my house got destroyed I would like a 800 sq ft house attached to a 6000 sq ft shop.
Looking into a little bit of solar for my disaster prep. What's got me paralyzed is deciding how much power I actually need.
I rent, don't own, so no installation. No way I can do something big enough to keep a fridge running, for example. So, if not the fridge, then what?
Charging a few small electronics (cell phones, Kindle). Maybe running a few lights. A radio. Conceivably a fan could be very nice. A small cooler? That seems like a luxury.
Carrying it should be an option, in the event of evacuation.
Clearly I won't have anything in place in time for Hector. But Amazon's choices are overwhelming. Thoughts from people who have already made choices? What did you learn?
Looking into a little bit of solar for my disaster prep. What's got me paralyzed is deciding how much power I actually need.
I rent, don't own, so no installation. No way I can do something big enough to keep a fridge running, for example. So, if not the fridge, then what?
Charging a few small electronics (cell phones, Kindle). Maybe running a few lights. A radio. Conceivably a fan could be very nice. A small cooler? That seems like a luxury.
Carrying it should be an option, in the event of evacuation.
Clearly I won't have anything in place in time for Hector. But Amazon's choices are overwhelming. Thoughts from people who have already made choices? What did you learn?
Thanks for reminding me about getting a radio. I always forget about it.
Anyone able to configure their rooftop solar panels to charge things temporarily? How easy and how much does it cost to hook up a charge controller and an inverter and a couple of lead acid batteries for low power stuff like LED lights, charge cell phones, tablets, fans etc? Looking for a cheap easy way to do it for emergencies instead of getting expensive stuff like powerwalls.
You will need a large bank of batteries to equal a gas generator. There are also safety issues. If you already have PV the key is having an inverter that can manage or have the plug-in option to maintain batteries. You would also need to isolate the batteries from the utility grid. It's easier but inefficient to plug in a charger to your 110 AC line and charge batteries when PV is at its peak. You will need several deep cycle batteries and a DC to AC inverter (preferably pure sine wave) to tie into your home grid. I forgot what it is called but an electrician can install a switch to connect a generator to in case the public grid is offline.
I'm not on net metering but on grid-tied PV - so HECO is reaping most of the benefits. I still get charged for electricity when PV panels are not producing any electricity i.e at night. During the day I still produce more than I consume but I don't collect any immediate financial benefits. HECO doesn't pay a fair share of the electricity I produce instead they have a formula which doesn't make any sense. The HECO customer service rep who explained the formula to me admitted that the formula doesn't favor PV ownership. Anyways, my digress rant.
Sounds like you should invest in a powerwall
Looking into a little bit of solar for my disaster prep. What's got me paralyzed is deciding how much power I actually need.
I rent, don't own, so no installation. No way I can do something big enough to keep a fridge running, for example. So, if not the fridge, then what?
Charging a few small electronics (cell phones, Kindle). Maybe running a few lights. A radio. Conceivably a fan could be very nice. A small cooler? That seems like a luxury.
Carrying it should be an option, in the event of evacuation.
Clearly I won't have anything in place in time for Hector. But Amazon's choices are overwhelming. Thoughts from people who have already made choices? What did you learn?
I use this set up to run lights only. Using 10w led bulbs, can light up the house with 100w. Running 4-5 hours a night, it should go for couple weeks at least without charging. Each battery is 245ah@20hours. Best thing was the price. Free. Unused and given to me by my neighbor who moved to the mainland.
Costco Hawaii Kai is nuts. Lines of traffic down the road. Cat feeder parking lot across the street is packed with people literally running to the store. Cop out front to keep the peace. Lemming factor 10,000,000Well I am sure that this is happening every where across the island then. Might be too late for those who work to get to the stores before this storm hits. I remember the first few months I was on island and some big winds knocked down a bunch of power poles and trees I was completely unprepared. I went out to the stores right before and right after the damage was done and basically I was out for hours dealing with crowds, standing in long lines and not getting even half of what I needed. Now I keep my food and water and supplies up-to-date constantly so I don’t have to deal with all that shit. What is interesting is that the “Hurricane Watch” is currently for Hawaii and Maui counties only. So far no warning for Honolulu County.
The watch means the hurricane will hit within 48 hours so honolulu will get it a bit later.it was supposed to lose power earlier on, but didn't. Instead it gained strength to almost category 5.
Hope the storm loses power. Its supposed to be slowing down now instead of getting stronger.
Previous predictions showed it turning west below the islands and had a 4-5 day prediction cone.That one brings it closer to Oahu that the ones that I've seen and a little later on Friday morning.
The new one got rid of the 4-5 prediction and just stops at the 3 day.
Previous predictions showed it turning west below the islands and had a 4-5 day prediction cone.
The new one got rid of the 4-5 prediction and just stops at the 3 day.
If kauai takes a hard strike, those stupid hippies are going to wish we still still had the superferry available.:rofl:
Previous predictions showed it turning west below the islands and had a 4-5 day prediction cone.Did you have the setting for "Forecast Length" on "Full Forecast" or "3 days"?
The new one got rid of the 4-5 prediction and just stops at the 3 day.
According to the forecasts Lane should be a Cat 1 when it reaches Oahu. Wind is still a serious threat, but massive flooding will probably cause the most damage.as of 8 pm, lane was upgraded to cat 5, and there's a chance it may still be cat 3 when it reaches oahu
Be prepared for the water too.
Ran by Texaco after work and it was packed. Will prob stop off the station next to my office tmrw morning. Things tend to be less busy at 6 am.
And Cat 1 hurricane seems like not and, but 74 mph winds are no joke. That is sustained winds. The gusts can get much higher and that’s what can cause a lot of damage. Looks like Oahu is currently in the most direct path. Just hoping the storm loses energy.
The part about Cat 1 storm was in response to an earlier comment mentioning that according to the forecasts Lane should be a Cat 1 when it reaches Oahu. I was pointing out the fact that even as a Cat 1 storm, it's nothing to be taken lightly. That part also should have read "Cat 1 hurricane seems like not a lot, but. . ." That folks seem to have gotten lulled into a sense of safety as past storms have lost strength at they approach the island, as this one generally has. But like you said, this one is different. It has the markings of the "northern hook" path which usually worry the hurricane center folks.
Cat 1 is an old forecast. The hurricane was never predicted to go to cat 5. Even strong cat 4 caught forecasters by surprise. So I wouldn't put that much stock in the forecasts...
and one thing that's not being reported by the media or widely known for that matter is that they found out that this hurricane in particular is spawning many tornadoes (or waterspouts over water). Even at lower intensity hurricane categories, the tornados its generating can create massive amounts of localized destruction. Do you remember iniki, and how some houses were left relatively unscathed, while other streets were absolutely decimated? Likely due to tornadoes. Hurricanes can spawn tornadoes rating as "severe", 150-200mph
It is likely that state offices and schools across the state will be closed both thursday/friday in anticipation of the hurricane potentially hitting the entire island chain. final approval for that is with governor, of course.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38933580/list-closures-cancellations-due-to-threat-of-hurricane-lane
At 8 a.m. Wednesday, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center said Hurricane Lane was still a Category 4 storm,
packing maximum sustained winds near 155 mph with higher gusts after weakening slightly overnight.
Lane was centered about 305 miles south of Kailua-Kona — or 445 miles south-southeast of Honolulu — and
moving near 8 mph.
On Tuesday night, Lane became one of only two recorded Category 5 hurricanes to pass within 350 miles of
the Big Island's South Point. The last: Hurricane John in 1994.
Meanwhile, Lane started to turn to the west-northwest on Tuesday night and is expected to turn northwest
Wednesday, bringing it "dangerously close" to the island chain. The center of the storm is expected to move
very close or over parts of the state Thursday through Saturday.
Hurricane-force winds extend 40 miles from the center of the storm, while tropical-storm-force winds extend
outward up to 140 miles.
current state office/school closures are for big island and maui counties only.
This story will be updated with new closures as they happen.
All state offices on Oahu and Kauai will be closed starting Thursday as Lane approaches the islands,
and non-essential state employees are being told not to report to work.
The governor already closed all state offices on the Big Island and Maui County starting Wednesday.
The closures are expected to run through Friday.
Non-essential state workers are being granted administrative leave and should not come to work, the
governor's office said.
Essential state employees are required to report to work. They include emergency coordinators, disaster
response workers and employees who work in crucial operations or services, such as hospital workers
or corrections officers.
This story will be updated.
Governor expands closure of state offices to Oahu, Kauai
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38934005/all-state-offices-on-big-island-maui-closed-as-lane-tracks-toward-hawaii
non emergency honolulu county workers are off tomorrow. I dont believe an announcement was made for friday yet.
mayor announced Thursday and friday
there was a topic of the morning on the Sam and Ryan show on 93.9 this morning. it was "what do you hate most about hurricane prepping in Hawaii?"
most people called in and said something to the effect, 'I hate the price gouging, or long lines, or their sold out, or people buying 10 or more cases of water at a time, etc.....'
we had all year to prepare for hurricane season. if you're getting the price gouging or long lines or any of the other reasons, sorry but its YOUR fault for waiting until the last minute to prepare.
I always have multiple water cases on hand bc I use them anyways and buy a lot when they go on sale. also have a lot of MRE's, mountain house dehydrated food, canned goods, protein powder, protein bars, water bob, etc.
there's always a few things that I don't have, but they are pretty not essential things. but I'm pretty prepared all the time.
I think I've watched all the episodes of Doomsday Preppers on the history channel (I know this show is mostly entertainment and not factual), and I've always thought that here in Hawaii doomsday will be a hurricane or tsunami. those are things are inevitable, so everyone that lives here should be always prepared for it.
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.
Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.
The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations. Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.
Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.
The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations. Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.
I beieve Costco and some other stores have a no return policy on certain items purchased during a pending disaster. This was implemented because of people hoarding or buying generators everytime a storm was coming and then returning it if they didn't need it.I thought they did that for stuff like TVs around the Super Bowl too.
I beieve Costco and some other stores have a no return policy on certain items purchased during a pending disaster. This was implemented because of people hoarding or buying generators everytime a storm was coming and then returning it if they didn't need it.
I haven't seen this advertised. Good on them.Not advertised but I recall seeing signs stating such in some stores.
They were meant to start installing my solar on Monday........youre lucky it's not installed.
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.
Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.
The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations. Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.
Get your zip packs and chili before zippys closes at 4:00 today
Get your zip packs and chili before zippys closes at 4:00 todayThanks for the heads up. I was gonna try grab food there after taking care of some stuff for my dad later this afternoon.
Also if you boil water and then freeze it, you can use it for later.
Dude I agree with you, but it's hard for certain people. A lot of people in hawaii live a pay check to paycheck lifestyle, and dropping a bunch of money on emergency supplies that they dont use is a sharp blow to their budget. Of course it can be argued that they should be living more within their means, but that's a topic for another discussion...
The way I see it is that if these guys are so hard up that they need to drag their stupid supplies back to the store for a refund, then let em go.... At least they're buying supplies for the hurricane, and won't need to be crying to the government for assistance 1 day post-event. Oahu has 1 million people, and the government has no stockpiles of supplies to handle their needs. The more that is distributed into the hands of the general public before the event, the less needy they will be afterwards. And the government will have more time to bring in aid and distribute properly.
I think quotas are kinda easy to get around, but would be more effective than "no return" policies that the employees likely wouldn't adhere too once these people start raising a fuss that they can't return their pallet of water. And quotas would help to ensure that supplies are distributed across more people rather than concentrated in the hands of some last minute bulk hoarders who wouldn't even end up using most of it even if a hurricane did hit. 10 people with 1 case of water each is less likely to return than 1 guy hoarding 10 cases.
Also guys, do not take this storm for granted, no matter what you think you see on the NOAA map is or that it's projected to be much weaker as it gets closer to oahu.
There's currently hikers trapped in waipio valley on the big island, which is currently flooding (Nowhere near the hurricane on the map i might add), and the weather is too severe to run air operations to locate them. In all likelihood, they will need to survive on their own until the storm passes. When that will be? IDK, maybe once its projected to stop coming closer and swings westward out to sea in the next few days?
If you do something foolish, do not assume emergency crews will be able to rescue you!
Also laid in some, um, emergency fluid reserves.Antifreeze? :rofl:
Tamura's in Palolo closed at 3pm. WE went for a run about 12:30. There was actually parking (there's NEVER parking at Tamura's!), and they still had poke! Loaded up, figure it's the last fresh fish we'll have until Monday. Also laid in some, um, emergency fluid reserves.I have plenty of whiskey/whisky if anyone missed on that prep. ;D
Well, Zippys closed at 2 pm. :kickcan:
I have plenty of food, but since I have to take care of transport for my dad, I thought I might as well get some hot food.
I have plenty of whiskey/whisky if anyone missed on that prep. ;D
Sorry, morning news said 4. Sorry you missed the zip packsNah. All good. Got some Korean BBQ after I dropped my dad off. I think the Piikoi one closed early.
Got my bourbon and just picked up a 12 pack of beer. I'm a lightweight.One of my buddies is trying to talk me into going over to his house to drink this afternoon. And he’s a first responder. O.o
If your water came from the tap and is safe to drink, you really don't need to boil it. Hopefully the city already makes the water drinkable when you turn on the faucet. :shake:It was a joke. My coworker asked me how to keep hot water hot.
If you use a filter (Brita, fridge water dispenser, etc.), you'll eliminate chlorine and other chemicals or particulates to make the water better tasting, but those chemicals keep the water safe by killing bacteria.
I'd recommend going straight from the tap to the freezer. Boiling seems redundant.
“It will be bad news for Oahu if the storm tomorrow is stronger than (the Central Pacific Hurricane Center) has forecast right now — because that will make a turn to the left more unlikely before it gets to Oahu,” Henning said. “Everyone on Oahu should be prepared to take a direct hit.”
It was a joke. My coworker asked me how to keep hot water hot.
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Good Choice! I am carrying so cannot imbibe.:)Followed up with a glass of Komagatake. My friend came over for dinner and he has a few before he headed home.
Awareness, or lack thereof of people amaze me. It’s prob blowing 25-30 mph at my place and the park across the street is littered with LARGE coconut palm fronds all over the park. This lady is casually walking her tiny dog all around the park, at times DIRECTLY below the trees that have large fronds on the ground. Walking around with not a care in the world...
headsno focus?
no focus?
yup, go outside and make a V with your fingers and point to your eyes and tell her "focus"Then bam! I get hit by a frond! :o
Then bam! I get hit by a frond! :o
then you need to focus tooFawk... no focus :facepalm:
Interesting read for those who canYou just got to that ? :o
http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/index.html (http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/index.html)
2 pm HST update apprear to have downgraded to a tropical cyclone and start of the western turn. Hoping for continued west path and loss of strength.
downgraded to cat1 hurricane as of 2 pmYeah. Correct on path. Supposed drift slightly NE before hopefully a western turn. No focus...
still moving NNE at 2pm
MAY be slowing and getting ready to turn
You just got to that ? :o
It's been up since November 2013 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12053.msg115882#msg115882
Seriously good read thoughand full of REALISTIC prepper tips :thumbsup:
I think this was actually a really good opportunity to see how prepared hawaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster. Far better opportunity than any drills the state could have ran.
While not perfect by any means (there are many things that could be a lot better) overall the state's readiness is way better than it was as little as 5 years ago. This time around there was much better cooperation and communication between the state, feds, national guard, all counties, and private companies. It used to be a completely chaotic disorganized mess, with preparation pretty much being personnel crossing their fingers and praying it doesnt hit.
I think this was actually a really good opportunity to see how prepared hawaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster. Far better opportunity than any drills the state could have ran.What "opportunity to see how prepared (H)awaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster." do you speak of ?
While not perfect by any means (there are many things that could be a lot better) overall the state's readiness is way better than it was as little as 5 years ago. This time around there was much better cooperation and communication between the state, feds, national guard, all counties, and private companies. It used to be a completely chaotic disorganized mess, with preparation pretty much being personnel crossing their fingers and praying it doesnt hit.
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, FUCK THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! I made a post, then Flapp enlightened me that this thread already existed...
Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.
The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations. Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.
This Sunday morning news said City Mill is not accepting returns on bottled water or generators that had gas put in it.
What "opportunity to see how prepared (H)awaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster." do you speak of ?
There was no natural disaster , much less a "large scale natural disaster"
Granted BI got lots of water (no offense) but Oahu and other islands had no real flooding, power outages, wind etc... :sleeping: :sleeping:
Hardly what I would consider a test in state readiness.
After doin a 12 hour volunteer at one of the shelters here, i have to say hawaii is not ready for a hurricane, nothing was in place for any aftermath if we was to be hit, really sad,i under stand ppl need to bring their supply, but i seen kids and pregnant women sleeping on the floor, they should have laid down the gym mattes, alot of listened learn here, big eye opener for me
I was pretty impressed with many preparations for response post event that I noticed or heard about. One was the staging of vehicles and equipment in the H3 tunnel and appearing to be ready to go. Another was the preparations and coordination of the National guard and support from “Title 10” elements.
I’m now more concerned that folks will take future events lightly considering this near miss where nothing much happened for most of Oahu.
While this wasn’t a test of disaster response, I think many learned about their preps and individual situations.
One thing I've found encouraging is that nowadays, after major disasters or disaster misses like this one, planners are looking at what went wrong, and try ti incorporate fixes in procedure for the future. Hawaii itself has not gotten hit by a major hurricane since iniki, but they're using lessons learned from puerto rico and other hurricanes to better hawaii's preparedness. The strategy of staging of equipment closer to anticipated need and ready to go and closer coordination between agencies has come about as a result of hard lessons learned from other hurricanes that hit the east coast.
Without coordination, you can have a lot of fucked up things happening... like if a critical road to the airport needed to be cleared, you have county, state, and national guard personnel showing up on site, but noone thought to bring the dozer because they thought the other party was going to take care of it. Or you get 5 backhoes sent to the location, but no way to keep them fueled. The fuel trucks are still sitting in a yard still blocked by debris across the island.
The reason they implemented the 2 weeks of food, water, and supplies last year was in direct response from experiences form other states that have gone through similar disasters. The better supplied residents are, the more disaster workers can focus on restoring critical infrastructure; restoring the ports, airports, main roads, and power, instead of worrying how to keep people from starving and dying of dehydration immediately after the storm hits.
This Sunday morning news said City Mill is not accepting returns on bottled water or generators that had gas put in it.
I could never see buying water. When I lived on Oahu and there was a pending disaster, I would fill trash cans with water for flushing the toilet. I would always have at least 20 plastic gallon containers on hand to fill for cooking and drinking water. I would go and buy beer. Never needed to rush out and buy toilet paper either. We always have at least a 6 week supply on hand.I usually have bottled water on hand for guests as well as various activities that need bottled water. So I rotate my stock pretty regularly. I also have a bunch of larger bottles of water that I’ve saved and I’ll fill those and leave on the kitchen counter. I also fill the smaller coolers and buckets that I have around for flushing toilets.
I usually have bottled water on hand for guests as well as various activities that need bottled water. So I rotate my stock pretty regularly. I also have a bunch of larger bottles of water that I’ve saved and I’ll fill those and leave on the kitchen counter. I also fill the smaller coolers and buckets that I have around for flushing toilets.I always have bottled water due to my having to bring my own out to the job sites I visit. By law, the GC is required to provide water and drinking cups but as I am sure you know this is not a priority for some GC’s. So out of self defense I have to bring my own. So I am constantly rotating my stores of water. I go through a lot considering I am just one person. I also recycle every bottle I buy.
Beer was one thing I didn’t have. Plenty of other alcohol though. >:(
I always have bottled water due to my having to bring my own out to the job sites I visit. By law, the GC is required to provide water and drinking cups but as I am sure you know this is not a priority for some GC’s. So out of self defense I have to bring my own. So I am constantly rotating my stores of water. I go through a lot considering I am just one person. I also recycle every bottle I buy.
I normally use a 40oz hydroflask thingie for work daily, and don't bother cycling my emergency water. As long as the seals aren't broken, the water is safe to drink (as is canned food for that matter).I use the bottle water for convenience. It fits in my back pocket and is not something extra I have to carry up and down stairs and ladders. I usually cycle thru 4 cases of water due to this. Including flavored water I usually have 6 or so cases of water on hand at any time. More than enough for the wife and I in an emergency.
Water is one of the things that you'd have to be an idiot to be unable to prepare for. Bottle water is convenient, but you can pretty much fill any clean container with water for emergency usage. If you're looking at water for flushing toilets or whatever, you can just fill those stupid c&c bins...Not sure how many gallons that is, just that it's A LOT of water. Worst comes to worst, you can just plug your bathtub drain and fill that with water.
Wow, you must be part camel.Haha. Nah. Prob drink half that volume for every fill since so much ice. But when I used to do Krav and boxing after work, those workouts made you sweat.. a LOT!
Read my post again please. I'ts not that hard to figure out. Buildings have fire drills to prepare occupants and management for a building fire. Does the building actually need to burn to the ground first to determine readiness for a building fire?
I think you're confused between readiness and response (post event), which is what you're talking about. I personally believe that the resources allocated towards responding after a major hurricane hits in hawaii is insufficient (thank our lawmakers for that), but that's a topic for another day.
If your water came from the tap and is safe to drink, you really don't need to boil it. Hopefully the city already makes the water drinkable when you turn on the faucet. :shake:
If you use a filter (Brita, fridge water dispenser, etc.), you'll eliminate chlorine and other chemicals or particulates to make the water better tasting, but those chemicals keep the water safe by killing bacteria.
I'd recommend going straight from the tap to the freezer. Boiling seems redundant.
I have a water bob. great for disaster prep. holds up to 100 gallons. :thumbsup:
I also have a brita pitcher and spare filters. after doing many plumbing jobs around the house and seeing the inside of the pipes, I will always filter the water. the inside of the pipes are disgusting! theres rust, brown crap. I can just imagine what the inside of the main water pipes look like. water may be safe to drink, but I'd rather filter out all the crap that gets stuck in the pipes.
If your water came from the tap and is safe to drink, you really don't need to boil it. Hopefully the city already makes the water drinkable when you turn on the faucet. :shake:=================
be careful with the waterbobs, supposed to be 1x use only (probably ok if you dry it out well after usage)
there's been numerous reports of them leaking and not holding water as well. Those things are pretty cool and relatively inexpensive, but it's too bad they didn't build them to be more reliable. Cool to have in an emergency, but I would not bet the farm on it being there for you.
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Pulled this brand new item out of the box to fill it in preparation for Hurricane Irma and there is rip right up the crease. It won't hold water at all. When I need it the most, 24 hours from the hurricane, this item was a complete failure. I don't know how the company will react when I try to return it but I know I relied on it and I shouldn't have.
We bought this in preparation for Hurricane Matthew, unfortunately the hurricane is about to hit and the product has a whole and is leaking. Hope we don't loose access to drinking water because this was our water source since water was sold out in our are.
Wanted to use this product for Hurricane Matthew last week, thought I was smart having this on hand. This product really let me down, as the 'filling sock' plastic was extremely thin and flimsy and the seams of it were not closed as they should have been, so unable to fill the water storage container and did not have the back-up water supply I counted on.
trying to prepare for hurricane irma expecting no electricity or water for days to weeks. Tried to fill the water bob and the "sock" part that you need to attached to the bath tub spout has holes in it.
Used for hurricane Irma prep and aftermath with no power. The fill tube leaked all up and down the seam and it took forever to fill. The siphon also fell apart many times getting water and would not gravity flow. Good idea, wound up using the water in the days after but terrible quality control for a one time use item. Didn't need the added stress.
good to know about checking the water bob to see if it is in working order
I also had a solar radio with cell phone charger. the kind you can either charge by solar, or hand crank, or plug in.
early last week I tried charging the battery to get it ready and test it out. turns out the battery wouldn't charge, and could not catch any radio station. so I threw that in the trash.
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In Waipahu, the tap water is horrible.
It corrodes or stains the fixtures, leaves spots on your car and does not do a very good job on plants or grass.
Case in point, my yard was all brown and even after I water it with the faucet, it does not change much.
But a day of rainwater and all of a sudden everything turns green.
I do not drink the tap water in Waipahu. :grrr:
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In Waipahu, the tap water is horrible.
It corrodes or stains the fixtures, leaves spots on your car and does not do a very good job on plants or grass.
Case in point, my yard was all brown and even after I water it with the faucet, it does not change much.
But a day of rainwater and all of a sudden everything turns green.
I do not drink the tap water in Waipahu. :grrr:
Mililani water is crap also....and poisonous....
Round 2...Fight. Olivia is homing in...
Being in Mililani since 1993, I can say the water won't kill you, but it sure isn't the best tasting tap water I've ever used, either.
I use a Britta filtered jug for my Keurig, and fridge filtered water for drinking & ice. If I need to add water for cooking, I use the filtered water. I think the only regular use for non-filtered water is laundry, showers, and my dog's bowl (any animal that is okay with drinking from a toilet can't be that picky).
I also keep a dozen 14 oz bottles chilled, and cases stockpiled.
I read the water quality reports when they are sent out. I don't know who sets the standards, but they must have subsidized Menehune water delivery.