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Title: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 17, 2019, 08:10:25 PM
So I have my other preps in order including the hurricane shelter bags.  The question is how do other people plan to move water in case they have to evacuate? Planning for 3 days of water per person (3 gallons x 3 = 9 gallons; 9 x 8lbs = 72 lbs). That is a lot of weight to schlepp.  What are others doing with this prep?
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: dogman on June 17, 2019, 10:09:15 PM
Dehydrated water.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Mdotweber on June 18, 2019, 06:54:16 AM
Boating supply stores should have large water containers. On a serious note beer is mostly water and comes in neat 12oz bottles or cans.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 18, 2019, 10:38:03 AM
That's why I posted about the bug out bin.  Looking for something with wheels because water is heavy. I rather roll my bin instead of carrying it.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: tillamook on June 18, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
I plan to bunker in place.  If i did have to leave I'd take one of my sealed 50 gallon containers and my collection of Sawyer filters.  so much easier to carry a filter than the water.  Then just need to evac to a wet site instead of a dry site. 

https://sawyer.com/water-filtration/
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 18, 2019, 03:18:41 PM
I plan to bunker in place.  If i did have to leave I'd take one of my sealed 50 gallon containers and my collection of Sawyer filters.  so much easier to carry a filter than the water.  Then just need to evac to a wet site instead of a dry site. 

https://sawyer.com/water-filtration/

Might be more logistical to carry filter straws or filtration system.  There's flowing water all over the island to be used.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Rocky on June 19, 2019, 10:31:08 AM
   The one gallon recommendation includes cooking , washing, hygiene (brushing teeth) etc. under adverse conditions.
How many of you actually DRINK  1 gallon of water a day unless you are truly laboring in the sun ?

   Our go bags have a liter of water each and a small water filtration system, good enough to last the 24-48 hrs of hurricane before returning home or  going to BOL.
That should be plenty.
JMHO

   Our home has  5) 50 gallon barrels plus hot tub (350 gal),  2) 80 gallon hot water heaters plus whatever we could fill or have set up to fill during the storm and our BOL has an unlimited supply of potable water.

   Of course I do agree with Mdotweber regarding the canned and bottled beverages. :D ;D :crazy: :wacko: :sleeping:

Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 19, 2019, 11:17:34 AM
My place get plenty of powered caffeine (preworkout) So if anyone wants to get yoked, bring your own water.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: zippz on June 19, 2019, 11:46:24 AM
I have a couple cases of bottled water, handcart, and bucket.  That should be plenty to last until emergency supplies arrive.  Then I'll have water filters to draw from a stream or puddles of water just in case.

(https://www.geoshelters.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/8014932_Katadyn_Vario_005.jpg)

(https://s.yimg.com/aah/yhst-11545572856523/steripen-adventure-opti-uv-water-purifier-58.png)

And I'm taking hot showers

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/dxylq.nruds/v/vspfiles/photos/14-5100-3T.jpg?1495526277)
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: macsak on June 19, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
My place get plenty of powered caffeine (preworkout) So if anyone wants to get yoked, bring your own water.

caffeine and beer are diuretics, which is exactly what you don't want to be drinking in an emergency where you are concerned with limited water supplies
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 19, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
caffeine and beer are diuretics, which is exactly what you don't want to be drinking in an emergency where you are concerned with limited water supplies

Can't miss a workout even during a hurricane.  Sacrifices must be made to get swole.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 19, 2019, 12:07:04 PM


(https://s.yimg.com/aah/yhst-11545572856523/steripen-adventure-opti-uv-water-purifier-58.png)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoopUWHmy0

Every time I see the magical light purifier.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on June 19, 2019, 12:28:16 PM
Boating supply stores should have large water containers. On a serious note beer is mostly water and comes in neat 12oz bottles or cans.
That must be why my buddy's dad usually has like 20+ 30 or 36 packs or Miller Lite at his house.  Well, he drinks like 4+ a day, even as much as 8-10 when we're over drinking too.  His son buys it for him by the pallet!   :o
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Mdotweber on June 19, 2019, 12:52:41 PM
Those steripens are gtg, they even make a hand crank model that screws onto Nalgene bottles.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Bota-CS1 on June 19, 2019, 09:29:04 PM
My place get plenty of powered caffeine (preworkout) So if anyone wants to get yoked, bring your own water.

Pay you $5 if you snort your pre-workout and let me record the aftermath while we sit for the hurricane to pass.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 19, 2019, 10:42:13 PM
Pay you $5 if you snort your pre-workout and let me record the aftermath while we sit for the hurricane to pass.

A friend of mine stopped at GNC on our way to 24-Hour Fitness.  He picked up "Ultimate Orange" powder and mixed us each up a water bottle with a full scoop.  This was about 1:00PM.

Halfway through the workout, I was sitting by the pool, heart pounding, head spinning, and wondering if I was going into orbit!!   :shake: :shake: :shake:

About 3:30AM when I finally went to sleep, I was vowing never to use caffeine powder again unless I'm exposed to nerve agent and don't have an Atropine injector.   :crazy:


Quote
Each scoop of Ultimate Orange (about 30 grams) contains 300mg caffeine and a whole stack of amino acids.

https://www.caffeineinformer.com/ultimate-orange-seriously-caffeinated-powder
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: RSN172 on June 19, 2019, 10:49:26 PM
Dehydrated water.

That is a great idea.  Just like freeze dried food.  Just add water and you are good to go.
In an emergency, I would just stay at home.  Even if the house got destroyed, I have lots of supplies to build a shelter in a couple of hours.
I have a 10k gallon water catchment tank and if that got destroyed, I have a 330 gallon plastic water tank that is filled.  If I did have to evacuate, I would only take a gallon of water with me and a couple of empty half gallon bottles to fill.   Rains a lot here and with those portable water filtration systems and a pot to boil water, you can have a safe water supply.  The only event that would force me to leave my home would be if lava started to flow toward me.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 20, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
A friend of mine stopped at GNC on our way to 24-Hour Fitness.  He picked up "Ultimate Orange" powder and mixed us each up a water bottle with a full scoop.  This was about 1:00PM.

Halfway through the workout, I was sitting by the pool, heart pounding, head spinning, and wondering if I was going into orbit!!   :shake: :shake: :shake:

About 3:30AM when I finally went to sleep, I was vowing never to use caffeine powder again unless I'm exposed to nerve agent and don't have an Atropine injector.   :crazy:


https://www.caffeineinformer.com/ultimate-orange-seriously-caffeinated-powder

Thats the new Orange.  If you tried the old school one that had Ephedra in it, you would have been bouncing off the walls. 
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 20, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
Pay you $5 if you snort your pre-workout and let me record the aftermath while we sit for the hurricane to pass.

How about suppository.  Heard it kicks in faster.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 20, 2019, 10:15:48 AM
Thats the new Orange.  If you tried the old school one that had Ephedra in it, you would have been bouncing off the walls.

I have a feeling it was the old formula -- timeframe was 2000-ish.

I would have been bouncing if I wasn't so terrified of moving.   :shake:
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: macsak on June 20, 2019, 11:01:24 AM
sam's club had these 3 packs
https://www.amazon.com/LifeStraw-Personal-Camping-Emergency-Preparedness/dp/B072BC51LT/
for $42.98
there weren't many left though
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 20, 2019, 11:14:39 AM
I have a feeling it was the old formula -- timeframe was 2000-ish.

I would have been bouncing if I wasn't so terrified of moving.   :shake:

Yup that was the OG,  They were one of the 1st on the market as a preworkout.  Had all kinds of goodies in it.  Although caffeine has been around forever, but many as coffee in the Arnold days.

So my daily caffeine intake is about 500mg.  200mg in the morning (coffee), then about 12 hours later 300mg (preworkout).  Then go gym and train hard so I can sleep by 12am ish.  If I don't train hard, cannot sleep till 2am.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: zippz on June 21, 2019, 07:22:54 AM
sam's club had these 3 packs
https://www.amazon.com/LifeStraw-Personal-Camping-Emergency-Preparedness/dp/B072BC51LT/
for $42.98
there weren't many left though

Doesn't protect against lepto, which is one of the main threats here.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: macsak on June 21, 2019, 07:28:18 AM
Doesn't protect against lepto, which is one of the main threats here.

oh, shit
I missed that
thanks
considering returning it now...
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: zippz on June 21, 2019, 09:23:19 AM
oh, shit
I missed that
thanks
considering returning it now...

Was reading more into it.  Lepto is .2-.3 microns in diamater and 30 microns in length so the lifestraws .2 micron filter may filter it out.  It's not listed on the lifestraw website as filtering it out, but this website says it's effective against it.  http://adventuresafety.com.au/diseases-removed-by-lifestraw/
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 21, 2019, 10:20:33 AM
Doesn't protect against lepto, which is one of the main threats here.

Would the tablets or chlorox be any good?
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: macsak on June 21, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
Was reading more into it.  Lepto is .2-.3 microns in diamater and 30 microns in length so the lifestraws .2 micron filter may filter it out.  It's not listed on the lifestraw website as filtering it out, but this website says it's effective against it.  http://adventuresafety.com.au/diseases-removed-by-lifestraw/

lepto is 0.1 microns

here's the definitive document, i believe
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2631/0778/t/4/assets/LSGo-Play-Universal-SteelEvidenceDossier-1544005258320.pdf

Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on June 21, 2019, 11:06:12 AM
lepto is 0.1 microns

here's the definitive document, i believe
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2631/0778/t/4/assets/LSGo-Play-Universal-SteelEvidenceDossier-1544005258320.pdf
I have a couple of these.

Survivor Filter - 0.05 Micron Portable Water Filter Straw with a Cleanable UF Memb... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LA97I8M/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_GzudDbTN4TH33

I also have another one that I used when we camped in WA. I’d have to check the micron level, but we didn’t get sick.  :o
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on June 21, 2019, 11:06:58 AM
oh, shit
I missed that
thanks
considering returning it now...
I’ll take them. $5  ;D
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: zippz on June 21, 2019, 11:12:57 AM
lepto is 0.1 microns

here's the definitive document, i believe
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2631/0778/t/4/assets/LSGo-Play-Universal-SteelEvidenceDossier-1544005258320.pdf

Think you mean 0.1 micrometers.

0.1micrometers =  0.2 microns
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: macsak on June 21, 2019, 11:56:02 AM
Think you mean 0.1 micrometers.

0.1micrometers =  0.2 microns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micrometre
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: RSN172 on June 21, 2019, 12:25:47 PM
Boil your water first, then filter.  Boiling will kill lepto. 
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: zippz on June 21, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
Would the tablets or chlorox be any good?

"Treat stream water and catchment water by vigorous boiling for 1 minute or chemical treatment before drinking. Filters may not work."
http://health.hawaii.gov/about/files/2013/06/leptobrochure.pdf


UV from steripens kills everything as long as the water is clear.  Still need a charcoal filter if chemicals or heavy metals are present.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Eric808 on June 21, 2019, 03:25:29 PM
SODIS Method: Using Plastic Bottles and the Sun to Purify Water
https://www.superprepper.com/sodis/

If you have time, "harmful contaminants that will be killed after 6 hours of exposure to the sun..." but does not mention liptos

another article:
https://modernsurvivalblog.com/health/how-to-purify-water-with-sunlight/
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: zippz on June 21, 2019, 04:09:56 PM
Another method, doesn't disinfect but gotta do whatever it takes to survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIG4TuVnvg
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 22, 2019, 09:21:07 AM
Another method, doesn't disinfect but gotta do whatever it takes to survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIG4TuVnvg
Wait thats for survival only? I do that as my daily water intake.

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Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 23, 2019, 05:39:13 PM
Thanks All for the replies.  here are my thoughts on the replies:

1.  Scotch is a better choice than beer - more concentrated and easier to carry
2. For those filtering water - the main danger from filters will be the chemicals dissolved in the water supply.  While filters will filter out living pathogens the toxic chemicals from all the crap washed into the streams will not be filterable. 
3.  I have 250 gallons of on site storage plus 30 gallons of potable bottled water, in addition to 55 gallons of bathtub storage- Bugging in is not the issue.  The challenge is how to carry 3 days of water to a new location (Bug Out)

In my opinion, the best solution is to set up our own safe houses in case any one of our homes becomes unlivable do to disaster (single wall houses).  We all know the recommended evacuation zones are deathtraps of plate glass.  We either take care of each other and our own or we are worthless pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 23, 2019, 05:46:41 PM
Might be more logistical to carry filter straws or filtration system.  There's flowing water all over the island to be used.

Problem is that water supply will be contaminated with chemicals that cannot be filtered out.  The scenario is carrying the potable water with you.  It is the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on June 24, 2019, 12:30:37 PM
SNIP

In my opinion, the best solution is to set up our own safe houses in case any one of our homes becomes unlivable do to disaster (single wall houses).  We all know the recommended evacuation zones are deathtraps of plate glass.  We either take care of each other and our own or we are worthless pieces of shit.
Assume folks will have very different plans based on their circumstances (yeah, thanks Capt Obvious  ;D ).  For me, I sort of have a series of "safehouses" with family where I have either encouraged that household stock up on stuff or flat out got some stuff for them.  That includes stuff like water, medical supplies, etc.  Sure, I have close friends where we've discussed stuff like "if X happens, I'll come over your place with Y" and vice versa.  While I do think contingencies with close friends are good, in my case, I am more depending on the contingencies with family.  There was a thread a while back on how would one react in the case where the individual has taken time and spent money investing in preps and how they would handle friends and family assistance.  It was an interesting discussion, but the point I was getting to is that I think a lot of the "preplanning" goes out the window depending on the disaster event.  Like those books like Lights Out and the ones about EMPs have some eye/mind opening stories in that regard.  People tend to envision a certain scenario and prepare for that, which is logical given we all don't have unlimited resources.  But a saying that a mentor shared with me a while back always stuck with me is that "95% of the time, it's what you don't see coming that will kick your ass". 
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Rocky on June 24, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
Assume folks will have very different plans based on their circumstances (yeah, thanks Capt Obvious  ;D ).  For me, I sort of have a series of "safehouses" with family where I have either encouraged that household stock up on stuff or flat out got some stuff for them.  That includes stuff like water, medical supplies, etc.  Sure, I have close friends where we've discussed stuff like "if X happens, I'll come over your place with Y" and vice versa.  While I do think contingencies with close friends are good, in my case, I am more depending on the contingencies with family.  There was a thread a while back on how would one react in the case where the individual has taken time and spent money investing in preps and how they would handle friends and family assistance.  It was an interesting discussion, but the point I was getting to is that I think a lot of the "preplanning" goes out the window depending on the disaster event.  Like those books like Lights Out and the ones about EMPs have some eye/mind opening stories in that regard.  People tend to envision a certain scenario and prepare for that, which is logical given we all don't have unlimited resources.  But a saying that a mentor shared with me a while back always stuck with me is that "95% of the time, it's what you don't see coming that will kick your ass".
    True Dat.
I've always considered Hurricanes and Tsunamis the biggest threat and have prepared accordingly.
That "Missile Scare" caught me off guard and totally  FUBARed my bug out time and boy did Rockette let me know that. :love:

   We now have that pretty much covered as much as humanely possible and await the newest "catastrophe" to rear it's ugly head to prepare for.
Worse case scenario I foresee would be Zombies, Plague or the Democrats taking position in 2020.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 24, 2019, 04:26:46 PM
Assume folks will have very different plans based on their circumstances (yeah, thanks Capt Obvious  ;D ).  For me, I sort of have a series of "safehouses" with family where I have either encouraged that household stock up on stuff or flat out got some stuff for them.  That includes stuff like water, medical supplies, etc.  Sure, I have close friends where we've discussed stuff like "if X happens, I'll come over your place with Y" and vice versa.  While I do think contingencies with close friends are good, in my case, I am more depending on the contingencies with family.  There was a thread a while back on how would one react in the case where the individual has taken time and spent money investing in preps and how they would handle friends and family assistance.  It was an interesting discussion, but the point I was getting to is that I think a lot of the "preplanning" goes out the window depending on the disaster event.  Like those books like Lights Out and the ones about EMPs have some eye/mind opening stories in that regard.  People tend to envision a certain scenario and prepare for that, which is logical given we all don't have unlimited resources.  But a saying that a mentor shared with me a while back always stuck with me is that "95% of the time, it's what you don't see coming that will kick your ass".

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  Looking at the different scenarios, a Category 3-5 hurricane is the most likely scenario and would have the most devastating effect on the island/state.  Surface water would be contaminated with dissolved chemicals not removable by most filters.  Most electrical and water distribution would be inoperative or likely completely destroyed. I would also expect the destruction of more than 50% of all homes and buildings and a death toll in the tens of thousands.  As we have seen by the incompetence at the airport last week, the authorities have NO PLAN. 

My original question regarded how to carry water in the case of emergency.  After reading this thread I plan to have (2) 2 Liter bladders per person, plus two 7 gallon totes on a cart.  It ain't perfect but at least it is something. 

To your point about going to family first, how do you know there house can take the 120MPH winds of a large hurricane?  Personally, I think anyone living in a singlewall construction home needs to plan complete evacuation in any hurricane scenario.  I am leaning in favor of setting aside funds evacuate off island in the case of a large storm.  Any evacuation scenario, of course, would require leaving prior to the event since our airports will all be destroyed by storm surge in most scenarios.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on June 24, 2019, 04:43:43 PM
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  Looking at the different scenarios, a Category 3-5 hurricane is the most likely scenario and would have the most devastating effect on the island/state.  Surface water would be contaminated with dissolved chemicals not removable by most filters.  Most electrical and water distribution would be inoperative or likely completely destroyed. I would also expect the destruction of more than 50% of all homes and buildings and a death toll in the tens of thousands.  As we have seen by the incompetence at the airport last week, the authorities have NO PLAN. 

My original question regarded how to carry water in the case of emergency.  After reading this thread I plan to have (2) 2 Liter bladders per person, plus two 7 gallon totes on a cart.  It ain't perfect but at least it is something. 

To your point about going to family first, how do you know there house can take the 120MPH winds of a large hurricane?  Personally, I think anyone living in a singlewall construction home needs to plan complete evacuation in any hurricane scenario.  I am leaning in favor of setting aside funds evacuate off island in the case of a large storm.  Any evacuation scenario, of course, would require leaving prior to the event since our airports will all be destroyed by storm surge in most scenarios.
Good points and good discussion.   :thumbsup:

For my situation, a strong hurricane is also the mostly likely concern.  Well, I'm thinking primarily an extended power outage due to strong hurricane.  Where I live combined with locations of "contingency" family are all quite diverse.  Yup, one is a single wall house, but location is "good" in that it's in a somewhat proven wind shelter area.  Bring in a Cat 5 though and probably buh-bye.   :(  Another is an "improved" home that is more robust, but getting there is tougher if walking.  All not the best, but what we've got to work with. 

Carrying water in case of emergency, I'd likely pack up as much as I can in a Camelbak and other similar pouch and try best to get to contingency location.  I do think that my residence is one of the more robust compared to the others (concrete building, higher floor so less risk of windborne debris, etc), but still. . .

I hear ya on operational preparedness or lack thereof with our infrastructure.  When seemingly small events can literally cripple an island is def not good. 

Interesting thought of emergency get out of town funding.  Would you envision going to the mainland and staying in hotels and stuff?  Or trying to stay with relatives?  Never thought about that.  Though I do have relatives spread out across the mainland with enough property that they "could" help for a while. 
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 24, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
Good points and good discussion.   :thumbsup:

For my situation, a strong hurricane is also the mostly likely concern.  Well, I'm thinking primarily an extended power outage due to strong hurricane.  Where I live combined with locations of "contingency" family are all quite diverse.  Yup, one is a single wall house, but location is "good" in that it's in a somewhat proven wind shelter area.  Bring in a Cat 5 though and probably buh-bye.   :(  Another is an "improved" home that is more robust, but getting there is tougher if walking.  All not the best, but what we've got to work with. 

Carrying water in case of emergency, I'd likely pack up as much as I can in a Camelbak and other similar pouch and try best to get to contingency location.  I do think that my residence is one of the more robust compared to the others (concrete building, higher floor so less risk of windborne debris, etc), but still. . .

I hear ya on operational preparedness or lack thereof with our infrastructure.  When seemingly small events can literally cripple an island is def not good. 

Interesting thought of emergency get out of town funding.  Would you envision going to the mainland and staying in hotels and stuff?  Or trying to stay with relatives?  Never thought about that.  Though I do have relatives spread out across the mainland with enough property that they "could" help for a while.

In the case of the "Leave the Island" scenario I would go either to family homes on the mainland or overseas. Since we have an established place to go we can leave most of our clothes behind but my guns will be "evacuating" with our family.  Setting up a hotel is also an option but would require further preparation.  For us this is a last resort (literally :)  The real problem in this scenario is that the airport will be insane with Tourists trying to "Get out of Dodge" as well.  I am still mulling over what condition would trigger the evacuation scenario for us and if it can be done before the panic sets in.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 25, 2019, 10:03:05 AM
In the case of the "Leave the Island" scenario I would go either to family homes on the mainland or overseas. Since we have an established place to go we can leave most of our clothes behind but my guns will be "evacuating" with our family.  Setting up a hotel is also an option but would require further preparation.  For us this is a last resort (literally :)  The real problem in this scenario is that the airport will be insane with Tourists trying to "Get out of Dodge" as well.  I am still mulling over what condition would trigger the evacuation scenario for us and if it can be done before the panic sets in.
At least the hotel law on no guns didnt pass.

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Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 25, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
At least the hotel law on no guns didnt pass.

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At least here in Hawaii.  Since tix are cheap to Las Vegas I was thinking about getting a hotel room there.  Rolling in with three rollers full of pew should go over well :)
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 26, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
At least here in Hawaii.  Since tix are cheap to Las Vegas I was thinking about getting a hotel room there.  Rolling in with three rollers full of pew should go over well :)

Guitar case bro.  Gotta be ninja.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 27, 2019, 07:37:53 AM
Guitar case bro.  Gotta be ninja.

Ninja?  Oh, Dude. You missed it.  Gotta be El Mariachi!  ;D
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on June 27, 2019, 07:56:35 AM
Ninja?  Oh, Dude. You missed it.  Gotta be El Mariachi!  ;D
Desperado, not Ninja. . .

One of my good friends carries his long guns in a guitar case.  His neighbors thinks he's in a band or something.   ;D
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: RSN172 on June 27, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
A guitar case?  More than a few guys here will need one or two bass cases.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on June 27, 2019, 04:04:48 PM
A guitar case?  More than a few guys here will need one or two bass cases.

Hotels might be a bit suspicious when the haole boy rolls in with 4 bass cases...  might need an airbnb...
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: London808 on July 05, 2019, 07:30:50 PM
I think at last count i had 20 cases of water so im bugging in. I could throw that in my van and drive wherever i wanted tho. I also have a few sawyer mini's and life straws as well as chemical treatment for my water. A 5 gallon bucket and a 10x10 tarp will fill up in the overnight rains most places.


Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on July 06, 2019, 08:01:35 AM
I think at last count i had 20 cases of water so im bugging in. I could throw that in my van and drive wherever i wanted tho. I also have a few sawyer mini's and life straws as well as chemical treatment for my water. A 5 gallon bucket and a 10x10 tarp will fill up in the overnight rains most places.

Given that you live in the flood zone being able to mobilize somewhere upslope would be advisable.  If only you knew someone who had enough room in his house to shelter you....  ;)

Honestly,  I do not trust those tsnumani inundation zone maps.  Given a large hurricane, the tidal surge could be 10-20 feet.  After superstorm Sandy hit FEMA revised all the flood maps to increased the zone size to include areas 3' in elevation higher than was though possible.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: RSN172 on July 06, 2019, 08:47:01 AM
I am at over 2000ft elevation, and at least 12 miles inland, so I don't worry about tsunamis at my home.  Hurricanes, you have days to prepare.  Worst thing would be a major earthquake causing extensive damage like the 1906 Great SF quake because it would come without warning.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on July 08, 2019, 08:40:02 AM
I am at over 2000ft elevation, and at least 12 miles inland, so I don't worry about tsunamis at my home.  Hurricanes, you have days to prepare.  Worst thing would be a major earthquake causing extensive damage like the 1906 Great SF quake because it would come without warning.
Having lived in WA and going through some pretty serious quakes there and in CA, I used to think "why the hell is BI zone 4 (older seismic design requirement at the time)?  It's not even near a plate fault".  All the quakes I experienced growing up in HI were where weren't sure if maybe it was a gust of wind.  Then I was in the area of KMC when the big shakers happened when the lava was flowing last spring.  That was strong enough to rock the heavy metal shipping containers.  It also lasted quite a while.  Could definitely see that causing a bunch of damage, especially to county water and power infrastructure.  You're probably self sufficient, but I bet many of the other folks there are not. 

Now they are saying Mauna Loa is showing signs. . . not anything major, but still. 
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 08, 2019, 09:32:56 AM
I think at last count i had 20 cases of water so im bugging in. I could throw that in my van and drive wherever i wanted tho. I also have a few sawyer mini's and life straws as well as chemical treatment for my water. A 5 gallon bucket and a 10x10 tarp will fill up in the overnight rains most places.

Damn I gotta pump up my numbers.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: London808 on July 09, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
Damn I gotta pump up my numbers.

We own  house which makes things easier. Best storage area is under your bed.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: drck1000 on July 10, 2019, 10:08:53 AM
We own  house which makes things easier. Best storage area is under your bed.
Where do you store your ammo then?  ;D

Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 10, 2019, 10:13:48 AM
Where do you store your ammo then?  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3Jm8HbHKU

2:57
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: London808 on July 18, 2019, 10:58:58 AM
Where do you store your ammo then?  ;D

In ammo cans buried far away from my house.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: macsak on July 18, 2019, 11:27:37 AM
In ammo cans buried far away from my house.


i do not own any guns, ammo, or any reloading components...
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Rocky on July 19, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Was reading more into it.  Lepto is .2-.3 microns in diamater and 30 microns in length so the lifestraws .2 micron filter may filter it out.  It's not listed on the lifestraw website as filtering it out, but this website says it's effective against it.  http://adventuresafety.com.au/diseases-removed-by-lifestraw/
Sawyer Mini vs. LifeStraw
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/07/15/sawyer-mini-vs-lifestraw/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2019-07-16&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Eric808 on July 19, 2019, 06:20:35 PM


i do not own any guns, ammo, or any reloading components...
Heads
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on July 20, 2019, 07:45:23 PM
Sawyer Mini vs. LifeStraw
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/07/15/sawyer-mini-vs-lifestraw/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2019-07-16&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

Life straws and filters won't remove it.  That is why I am so concerned about water storage.  ALL STREAMS will be contaminated after a hurricane. 

https://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/blog/tag/leptospirosis-water-filter/

Leptospira are incredibly small – they can pass through the pores in water filters, even those that claim to remove bacteria. They will pass easily through filters with a pore size of more than 0.2 micron, including membrane and charcoal types. High-pressure laboratory filters with a pore size of less than 0.1 micron will block them, but the typical hand-held water filters used by hikers, pool filters and the fitted canisters used in some domestic kitchen appliances are useless at removing leptospires – they are often used to separate leptospires from other bacteria when preparing samples for research, as the leptospires pass through but other bacteria don’t!

“The Leptospira bacteria are in general about 0.1µm in diameter and 10-20µm in length (0.2 to 0.3 microns in diameter; 6 to 30 microns in length). In comparison, a red blood cell is about 7µm in diameter, so despite being quite long, the very small width of leptospires makes them difficult to see under optical microscopes unless a contrast-enhancing technique such as dark-field is used.”

https://www.leptospirosis.org/bacteria/
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: London808 on July 21, 2019, 08:40:46 PM
Life straws and filters won't remove it.  That is why I am so concerned about water storage.  ALL STREAMS will be contaminated after a hurricane. 

https://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/blog/tag/leptospirosis-water-filter/

Leptospira are incredibly small – they can pass through the pores in water filters, even those that claim to remove bacteria. They will pass easily through filters with a pore size of more than 0.2 micron, including membrane and charcoal types. High-pressure laboratory filters with a pore size of less than 0.1 micron will block them, but the typical hand-held water filters used by hikers, pool filters and the fitted canisters used in some domestic kitchen appliances are useless at removing leptospires – they are often used to separate leptospires from other bacteria when preparing samples for research, as the leptospires pass through but other bacteria don’t!

“The Leptospira bacteria are in general about 0.1µm in diameter and 10-20µm in length (0.2 to 0.3 microns in diameter; 6 to 30 microns in length). In comparison, a red blood cell is about 7µm in diameter, so despite being quite long, the very small width of leptospires makes them difficult to see under optical microscopes unless a contrast-enhancing technique such as dark-field is used.”

https://www.leptospirosis.org/bacteria/

What hes saying is. BOIL OR CHEMICAL TREAT YOUR WATER. Using only a filter should only be done if its all you have.

This is such a big problem that even the CDC has a page dedicated to it for after hurricanes.

https://www.cdc.gov/leptospirosis/exposure/hurricanes-leptospirosis.html
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on July 22, 2019, 10:13:46 AM
What hes saying is. BOIL OR CHEMICAL TREAT YOUR WATER. Using only a filter should only be done if its all you have.

This is such a big problem that even the CDC has a page dedicated to it for after hurricanes.

https://www.cdc.gov/leptospirosis/exposure/hurricanes-leptospirosis.html

Exactly.  Except that boiling and treating for bacteria won't remove chemical pollution from streams, ponds, and aquifers.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 22, 2019, 01:53:32 PM
Exactly.  Except that boiling and treating for bacteria won't remove chemical pollution from streams, ponds, and aquifers.

Add Siracha and good to go.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: RSN172 on July 22, 2019, 09:48:04 PM
Exactly.  Except that boiling and treating for bacteria won't remove chemical pollution from streams, ponds, and aquifers.

Instead of bottled water, stock up on bottled beer.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Rocky on July 23, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
Life straws and filters won't remove it.  That is why I am so concerned about water storage.  ALL STREAMS will be contaminated after a hurricane. 

https://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/blog/tag/leptospirosis-water-filter/

Leptospira are incredibly small – they can pass through the pores in water filters, even those that claim to remove bacteria. They will pass easily through filters with a pore size of more than 0.2 micron, including membrane and charcoal types. High-pressure laboratory filters with a pore size of less than 0.1 micron will block them, but the typical hand-held water filters used by hikers, pool filters and the fitted canisters used in some domestic kitchen appliances are useless at removing leptospires – they are often used to separate leptospires from other bacteria when preparing samples for research, as the leptospires pass through but other bacteria don’t!

“The Leptospira bacteria are in general about 0.1µm in diameter and 10-20µm in length (0.2 to 0.3 microns in diameter; 6 to 30 microns in length). In comparison, a red blood cell is about 7µm in diameter, so despite being quite long, the very small width of leptospires makes them difficult to see under optical microscopes unless a contrast-enhancing technique such as dark-field is used.”

https://www.leptospirosis.org/bacteria/

   My post was in reference to Lepto and that the Sawyer filter had a 0.1 micron filter which is suitable for removing Lepto where the LifeStraws0.2 micron filter was not.
I also agree that boiling is the best way but even that won't remove chemicals.

   So run 16 drops bleach per gallon, run thru a 0.1 micron filter to remove solids and larger bacteria, then a carbon filter to remove  Chlorine, Chloramine's, Heavy Metals, Pharmaceuticals and other chemicals and then boil for 10 minutes. Shake it up to re-introduce oxygen lost in boiling.

   Too much work, BYOB    ;D
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 23, 2019, 10:15:35 AM
Easier to just buy 55 gal drums and fill them up with water prior to SHTF.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 23, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Easier to just buy 55 gal drums and fill them up with water prior to SHTF.

They make plastic "b\ladders" for storing water in the bath tub.  Just fill it up, and you have a pretty substantial amount of water to sustain you.

https://www.amazon.com/WaterBOB-Emergency-Container-Drinking-Hurricane/dp/B001AXLUX2

People ask, "But, how am I going to take a bath with that thing taking up my entire tub?"

These are the people who don't deserve to survive.

(Hint:  What water are you going to bath in?  Not the drinking water!!)
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on July 23, 2019, 11:35:18 PM
They make plastic "b\ladders" for storing water in the bath tub.  Just fill it up, and you have a pretty substantial amount of water to sustain you.

https://www.amazon.com/WaterBOB-Emergency-Container-Drinking-Hurricane/dp/B001AXLUX2

People ask, "But, how am I going to take a bath with that thing taking up my entire tub?"

These are the people who don't deserve to survive.

(Hint:  What water are you going to bath in?  Not the drinking water!!)

I have one of these 'BOBS'.  Not sure why but they are hard to find now.  I also have a 250 gallon cistern ready to go in addition to my stored water supply.  My plan is to bug in and keep a watchful eye over my family and preps instead of having to run 1/4 mile down the street to a stream every time I want to drink from a straw.  You can bet if you leave someone who has been watching you will know and take the opportunity to help themselves.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on July 30, 2019, 08:19:58 AM
So I decided to buy a Rotopax 2gallon container as part of my Hurricane Shelter prep.  2 Gallons will only weigh 16 pounds so it is a manageable size.  It is also SUPER DURABLE and will not break unlike the other units I have seen on the market. And yes, it wasn't cheap but it is locally available at the 4wheelparts store in Waipahu.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 30, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
So I decided to buy a Rotopax 2gallon container as part of my Hurricane Shelter prep.  2 Gallons will only weigh 16 pounds so it is a manageable size.  It is also SUPER DURABLE and will not break unlike the other units I have seen on the market. And yes, it wasn't cheap but it is locally available at the 4wheelparts store in Waipahu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUTu89QEls8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HH6oGYpZ6g&t=441s
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 30, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
On a side note, it's funny to watch people scramble and get nutz when a hurricane is coming.

For me I sit back and just relax knowing I'm all stocked up and don't have to go thru that.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on July 30, 2019, 07:22:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUTu89QEls8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HH6oGYpZ6g&t=441s

Yup.  That's where I heard of them.  Awesome guy.  Great values.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on July 30, 2019, 10:17:01 PM
On a side note, it's funny to watch people scramble and get nutz when a hurricane is coming.

For me I sit back and just relax knowing I'm all stocked up and don't have to go thru that.

Why turn down a great excuse to buy more ammo?
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: macsak on July 31, 2019, 07:14:29 AM
On a side note, it's funny to watch people scramble and get nutz when a hurricane is coming.

For me I sit back and just relax knowing I'm all stocked up and don't have to go thru that.

Costco was twice as busy as it normally is last night
I live on the east side and frequently (once or twice every 2 weeks) go at or after 8 pm
there were a number of people still in the aisles at closing time
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 31, 2019, 09:14:49 AM
Costco was twice as busy as it normally is last night
I live on the east side and frequently (once or twice every 2 weeks) go at or after 8 pm
there were a number of people still in the aisles at closing time

I might go Target tonight.  I need some regular food stuff.  Probably pick up the Evian gallon jug.  Easier to store than the 24 water bottle cases.
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: revk on August 02, 2019, 08:23:06 PM
FYI re: coffee as a diuretic —still counts to your total fluid consumption. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/caffeinated-drinks/faq-20057965
Title: Re: Water Storage for Evacuation
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 05, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
People say caffeine is a diuretic, but I don't piss any more when drinking a prewo.  Coffee yes.