2aHawaii
General Topics => Strategies and Tactics => Topic started by: itwasntme on November 02, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
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Just for everyone's info, that site requires registration before you can read the thread.
Here is the first post, a question, in a thread about what to carry when everything is banned:
The local laws have been changed in regards to knife carry so you must be able to provide reasonable grounds to have any form of knife.
This does not include self defence and it is very hard to supply any reason they would accept.
Police are being given metal detectors and are allowed to search anyone with no reason. I must be able to offer grounds to them if I am found with one. I cannot wait until I am in court without additional legal issues.
I have always carried a knife for many years and there has been a few times when I have had it in hand, out of sight to see how a situation was going to work out. Twice with groups of guys who were either trying to rob me or just wanted to pick a fight.
Now I am in a situation where breaking the law means the loss of my firearms (which have to be registered)yet I know issues can happen where having something may make the difference.
Just to make it clear, I am a normal guy. I don't like to fight, I don't want to fight but if it happens I want everything I can use to be in my favour.
A Victorinox or similar with additional tool should be ok BUT really quite useless. Blade must be under 2.5 inches, locking and strong enough to be used. It probably shouldn't be something I am attached to in case I need to dump it or it gets "lost". Anything I do carry cannot be overtly a weapon or I would get done with it. Since I am a firearms owner I am FAR more likely to face legal issues if caught. Our DPP wants all guns banned is going after those of us who have them legally. Nice.
It's a bloody sorry state when a law abiding person is treated like this and faces more legal issues than the criminals.
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Quite possible i've posted this in the wrong forum but since we have such limited options on what can be carried I thought it was the correct place and maybe it will help the others who are in similar positions
To work I carry a small pocket knife which is very useful for opening boxes, cutting wire, etc... I don't know if I could really use it as a weapon because of my lack of knife fighting skills, but I would if it came down to it. And really, anything can be used as a weapon. Pencils, pens, a corded telephone handset. The list goes on and on.
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sorry about that, at one point you were allowed to lurk without reg. I didn't know they changed it.
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If you go walking around carrying weapons, it can be easily argued that you went around looking for trouble if trouble happens. If police catch you with a weapon, you're in a great deal of trouble innocent or not.
To me the sad reality of self-defense in Hawaii comes down to plausable deniability that the item you use was ever intended for use as a weapon, and rather it is used impromptu for self-defense. For example:
I have my keys on a large metal carabener (those D-rings that mountain climbers use). This is a common way to carry keys since it can easily be attached and detached from a belt or belt loop. In a pinch my fist fits nicely into it and can be used as makeshift brass knuckles. It doesn't look like a weapon, in no way is it considered a weapon until it is used it as a weapon.
Some guys carry a baesball bat in the trunk of their car. To me unless you're a baseball player, this is an obvious weapon. Instead I carry a 4D battery maglite. If a police officer pulls me over and sees a maglite in my car, he's not going to question it. It's a flashlight first and foremost. However if a bad situation arises, I have a sturdy piece of metal piping that can be used in self defense.
I like blunt weapons over blades because whenever you use a knife or a blade, it spills blood. Juries can be easily influenced by emotions and shock value. A picture of a would-be-attacker with his own blood stained down the front of his white T-shirt is going to get a much more sympathetic knee-jerk-reaction than that same attacker bruised up with a broken jaw and a broken collar bone.
The rest of my self-defense comes down to being mindful of my surroundings and never putting myself into a situation I cannot either flee from or fight my way out of.