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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: passivekinetic on August 24, 2013, 02:24:41 PM
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Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
What about long guns?
As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.
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Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
What about long guns?
As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.
Recommend you spend a little more time reading the Hawaii Revised Statues regarding firearms.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0023.htm (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0023.htm)
... it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in an enclosed container...
"Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
(b) Any person violating this section by carrying or possessing a loaded firearm other than a pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a class B felony. [L 2006, c 66, pt of §1]
That's the law.
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yes but it says OR
or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm
so, I have a soft gun case that "completely encloses the firearm"
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[§134-23] Place to keep loaded firearms other than pistols and revolvers; penalty. (a) Except as provided in section 134-5, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in an enclosed container from the place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:
(1) A place of repair;
(2) A target range;
(3) A licensed dealer's place of business;
(4) An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;
(5) A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or
(6) A police station.
"Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
(b) Any person violating this section by carrying or possessing a loaded firearm other than a pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a class B felony. [L 2006, c 66, pt of §1]
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yes but it says OR
so, I have a soft gun case that "completely encloses the firearm"
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Plain English:
a rigid case
OR
a commercially manufactured gun case,
OR
the equivalent thereof.
If it fits this description, it's legal. Soft or not, if it is commercially manufactured as a gun case OR is the equivalent of one, it's fine.
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Yes, I have this one
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Padded-Weapons-Case,137,134.htm (http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Padded-Weapons-Case,137,134.htm)
And I put inside AR15, and 3 handguns.
Is good no?
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I guess, somebody beat me to it...I guess, since a soft rifle case sames ok, then a soft case for pistol should be ok also. I usually put them in a soft case, then placed them inside the range bag...out of plain sight (trunk, if possible)
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Yes, I have this one
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Padded-Weapons-Case,137,134.htm (http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Padded-Weapons-Case,137,134.htm)
And I put inside AR15, and 3 handguns.
Is good no?
Are you being thickheaded on purpose? ???
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I don't understand why you say that? I really need to know. No joking.
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I don't understand why you say that? I really need to know. No joking.
Maybe if you can't figure out that's a "commercially manufactured gun case," you have bigger issues? :crazy:
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I understand why you bug me about that but I just wanted to be 100% sure.
So I guess I am ok.
Yes, I was 99.9% sure before and in fact that is how I have been transporting firearms but the change this time is that not only do I have the rifle inside that soft case, but I also put 3 handguns inside which normally I put in their OEM hard cases (Glock, etc).
So I needed to come here and ask 100%.
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PK, you're good to go. Try not to over analyze things.
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I guess, somebody beat me to it...I guess, since a soft rifle case sames ok, then a soft case for pistol should be ok also. I usually put them in a soft case, then placed them inside the range bag...out of plain sight (trunk, if possible)
not sure about putting a pistol on the side pocket...3-pistols inside main padded compartment, might be ok. it's better you get the double rifle hard rifle case so you can put all in there.
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So..is a small gym bag a no go..for a broken down rifle?
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Yes I know, but I need to be 100% right.
I knew if I asked I would get hassled a bit but I decided better to be sure and take a few hits.
So I take a few minor hits but I got my answer.
:shaka:
The other sidebar to this post of course is the fact that I bought new firearms! That is why I need to transport to HPD to register! :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
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I understand why you bug me about that but I just wanted to be 100% sure.
So I guess I am ok.
Yes, I was 99.9% sure before and in fact that is how I have been transporting firearms but the change this time is that not only do I have the rifle inside that soft case, but I also put 3 handguns inside which normally I put in their OEM hard cases (Glock, etc).
So I needed to come here and ask 100%.
then that's good since the pistols are inside oem plastic cases, then inside the rifle case... :thumbsup:
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I understand why you bug me about that but I just wanted to be 100% sure.
So I guess I am ok.
Yes, I was 99.9% sure before and in fact that is how I have been transporting firearms but the change this time is that not only do I have the rifle inside that soft case, but I also put 3 handguns inside which normally I put in their OEM hard cases (Glock, etc).
So I needed to come here and ask 100%.
If you ever go to the range, I have doubts why you would have this question at all. Every possible type of case known to shooting is on display. Yours look like the majority of them.
Question was answered in the HRS quote. Asking for further clarification about that specific bag seemed rather troll-ish... >:D
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not sure about putting a pistol on the side pocket...3-pistols inside main padded compartment, might be ok. it's better you get the double rifle hard rifle case so you can put all in there.
Damn.
OK I bring all the pistols in their hard cases. It will make carrying them super hassle. I got 3 long guns and 3 pistols to carry to HPD.
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If you ever go to the range, I have doubts why you would have this question at all. Every possible type of case known to shooting is on display. Yours look like the majority of them.
Question was answered in the HRS quote. Asking for further clarification about that specific bag seemed rather troll-ish... >:D
Going to HPD that is why I want to ask 100%
To be fair, the way laws are written, some semantics and nuances are open to interpretation.
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So..is a small gym bag a no go..for a broken down rifle?
the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm....depends on interpretation...that's why we have lawyers...lol
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Damn.
OK I bring all the pistols in their hard cases. It will make carrying them super hassle. I got 3 long guns and 3 pistols to carry to HPD.
well., somebody went amok on a shopping spree...yeah!
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OK never mind. Moot.
I just decided to put the pistols back in their hard cases and hassle with it.
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the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm....depends on interpretation...that's why we have lawyers...lol
People register firearms in the original shipping boxes (cardboard) and AR-15 in 2 parts in a back pack.
HPD doesn't say a word.
UNLOADED AND FULLY ENCLOSED is all they care about. How protective or covert a case is does not concern them.
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Is not amok. Is very carefully considered and saved up budget that is well spent. :rofl:
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Yeah I really doubt it'd matter if your gun was in a "rigid" strictly for guns case. Just another one of those dumb laws. When you get a gun from a lgs it comes in a cardboard box a lot so yeah... Just don't be driving with or leaving out a clearly visible gun in your car or backpack
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People register firearms in the original shipping boxes (cardboard) and AR-15 in 2 parts in a back pack.
HPD doesn't say a word.
UNLOADED AND FULLY ENCLOSED is all they care about. How protective or covert a case is does not concern them.
Alright awesome, yeah I just want to you know double check when I realized it's a class b felony..that's a bit silly
and I assume that having upper and lower separated does not make a difference..
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Well, true for long guns but all pistols come in hard cases.
I just don't want to be the guy to find out about this, oh, so mysterious technicality.
So F it, will bring hard cases to HPD.
AR goes to the soft case and the other two long guns have hard cases. That's frigging 6 separate items to carry.
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double check when I realized it's a class b felony
Yup, that is why I want to triple check here.
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Alright awesome, yeah I just want to you know double check when I realized it's a class b felony..that's a bit silly
and I assume that having upper and lower separated does not make a difference..
If they catch you with a stripped AR lower uncovered on the passenger seat, they can consider that a firearm and charge you for not having it in a case/enclosure.
The AR upper is not a legal firearm.
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Yeah I really doubt it'd matter if your gun was in a "rigid" strictly for guns case. Just another one of those dumb laws. When you get a gun from a lgs it comes in a cardboard box a lot so yeah... Just don't be driving with or leaving out a clearly visible gun in your car or backpack
Roger that: one time I just finished register a pistol, put it in the gun case, and inside my backpack...I then, went to the HPD Police Officer at the entrance/sentry to let him know that I have just registered a pistol, and that I wanted to go upstairs to eat lunch at the cafeteria. The Police Officer, told me, no problem as long as I don't take the gun out. He did not even check my backpack for ammo or anything..this was in the mid-90s. So, I got to eat lunch at the HPD cafeteria (with all the cops) with no problem.
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Roger that: one time I just finished register a pistol, put it in the gun case, and inside my backpack...I then, went to the HPD Police Officer at the entrance/sentry to let him know that I have just registered a pistol, and that I wanted to go upstairs to eat lunch at the cafeteria. The Police Officer, told me, no problem as long as I don't take the gun out. He did not even check my backpack for ammo or anything..this was in the mid-90s. So, I got to eat lunch at the HPD cafeteria (with all the cops) with no problem.
The law doesn't specify the police station as an appropriate destination with a firearm only if headed to the firearms section. It broadly says: (6) A police station.
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If they catch you with a stripped AR lower uncovered on the passenger seat, they can consider that a firearm and charge you for not having it in a case/enclosure.
The AR upper is not a legal firearm.
Nah it's a completed lower and upper, but wanted to use the gym bag as transport from home and range and it only fits if I pop the takedown pins out.
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You can pretty much carry it in anything. Even a cardboard box. Everytime I have gone to HPD to register someone is there with their cardboard box.
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I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal. I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well. And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican.
Using an actual brief case is illegal. Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal. Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle. They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.
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I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal. I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well. And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican.
Using an actual brief case is illegal. Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal. Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle. They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.
Holy smokes, I am glad I asked this question. I had the mind to convert some of my other high quality luggage/briefcase hard cases to hold stuff, and that is why there was the whole discussion about custom foam.
Thanks for the heads up.
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I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal. I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well. And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican.
Using an actual brief case is illegal. Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal. Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle. They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.
I don't know why someone would tell you something like that.
There are covert carry bags made for guns that look like tennis racquet cases. The more "obscure" the case, the less likely it is to be targeted for theft, and the less likely it will make people you encounter nervous.
If the container does the same job as a commercially manufactured gun case, it's legal.
Most cases I buy from Pelican are not originally designed or marketed for handguns. They are for cameras and expensive electronic equipment. These cases are 100% legal for firearms in Hawaii. Not all Pelican/Pelican-like cases are firearm cases in concept or design.
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I leave it in my hard case. Then I transfer my pistols in the soft case, because I use it as a mat. I guess as long as its not reachable, and ammunition is nowhere near it then your fine. That's what I'm told...
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I use one of those hard cases for golf clubs to transport firearms on the check in luggage, modified to lock of course. I just put the rifles that are inside rifle soft cases, or pistols in cases inside,,pad them with clothes. I never had any problems with the Airlines nor the TSA.
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I really love the way some people discourage legitimate questions. Take it easy next time, Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra.
The law does seem open to interpretation, as it does in so many instances.
In Colorado, when one of my sons took his CCW class, he says the LEO teaching the law portion even admitted that the way the local law was written, a gun in a tranparent plastic Ziploc bag, labeled "GUN" with a magic marker, with a hole punched in it and a lock inserted through the hole, would technically meet the "cased" requirements as written for that locale. (The LEO recommended that you don't do it that way.)
Terry, 230RN
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I really love the way some people discourage legitimate questions. Take it easy next time, Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra.
The law does seem open to interpretation.
Terry, 230RN
I don't see how anyone can interpret the law any other way than the way it's written. The OP said he was already 99.9% sure about the law.
His question went from a broad general question
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
What about long guns?
As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.
to a specific gun case
Yes, I have this one
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Padded-Weapons-Case,137,134.htm (http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Padded-Weapons-Case,137,134.htm)
And I put inside AR15, and 3 handguns.
Is good no?
(http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad287/Doug_Moose/RifleCase_zps57ca5dbf.jpeg) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/Doug_Moose/media/RifleCase_zps57ca5dbf.jpeg.html)
to a specific location
The other sidebar to this post of course is the fact that I bought new firearms! That is why I need to transport to HPD to register!
The original posted information,
Enclosed Container means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
to me is plain, simple and doesn't change based on the number of guns, type of guns, or destination. Only when flying do you need to look at other regulations imposed, not by Hawaii, but the TSA and airlines.
If you think I'm being tough, maybe I was trying to impress upon the OP he needed to take some time to research, read, and understand the laws from the source. THEN, if he needs clarification, asking a specific question referencing the source would not take 2 pages of comments until we dragged the real questions out of him.
We all need to take responsibility for at least reading the state laws on firearms (several times!!). If we can't even do that, then what do we hope to contribute here?
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I'm sorry Darmok. To be honest, your reaction makes no sense to me and I am more surprised than offended.
In fact I am disappointed because I thought we had a good rapport going with the Star Trek thing.
Maybe this is just simple misunderstanding but I truly do not, on my part, understand how I could have meant any nuisance and in fact your analysis of what I posted and why it is nonsense, makes no sense to me at all.
If anyone else thinks I was being an idiot, please say so. I do not mind. I want to know sincerely so that I can try and see how to phrase my question properly next time.
Also I thought we were a bit more casual here with each other?
I don't mean to keep arguing about this but I am truly perplexed about this issue.
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I'm sorry Darmok. To be honest, your reaction makes no sense to me and I am more surprised than offended.
In fact I am disappointed because I thought we had a good rapport going with the Star Trek thing.
Maybe this is just simple misunderstanding but I truly do not, on my part, understand how I could have meant any nuisance and in fact your analysis of what I posted and why it is nonsense, makes no sense to me at all.
If anyone else thinks I was being an idiot, please say so. I do not mind. I want to know sincerely so that I can try and see how to phrase my question properly next time.
Also I thought we were a bit more casual here with each other?
I don't mean to keep arguing about this but I am truly perplexed about this issue.
:rofl: :rofl: I knew he was a Trekster.
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Lol passive does make some interesting threads with general questions.
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I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal. I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well. And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican.
Using an actual brief case is illegal. Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal. Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle. They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.
A brief case is NOT illegal.
The law states:
[§134-25]
"Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
You can put your gun in a brief case, a guitar case, a tool box, a wooden box you made in wood shop in high school back in 1982, or a hard cardboard box.
Whoever told you otherwise is wrong.
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A brief case is NOT illegal.
The law states:
[§134-25]
"Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
You can put your gun in a brief case, a guitar case, a tool box, a wooden box you made in wood shop in high school back in 1982, or a hard cardboard box.
Whoever told you otherwise is wrong.
A guitar case eh!!! I'd be feeling like Antonio Banderas in Desperado !!! If I did that.
Good point!
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A guitar case eh!!! I'm feeling all Desperado right now!!!!
Good point!
Like this.
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Like this.
Oh yeah!!!! That's sick! A perfect fit brother!!! :thumbsup:
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Again, sorry if you felt picked on, PK.
I was reading the thread like some 7 year old was asking:
Which bowl?
The blue one.
This bowl is square.
Is it blue?
Yes. but it has a handle.
Is it blue?
Yes, but it's smaller than the others.
Is it blue?
Yes, but it has a label.
Is it blue?
Yes, but.......
Frustrating when you're trying to answer a simple question that is being over-complicated.
That is all.....
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I think it would have been less confusing if the first answer to his original post was:
Yes.
:thumbsup:
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I think it would have been less confusing if the first answer to his original post was:
Yes.
:thumbsup:
Live and learn! :crazy:
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Live and learn! :crazy:
Agreed
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I guess Hawaii laws are not black and white and/or a combination of everyone's interpretation of these laws. Some say potato some say potahtoe. What part of rigid is a gun sock or the card board box some rifles are shipped in? According to the DLNR guys that instructed the class I attended is the info that was passed on to me.
This is much like the high cap AR15 mags, legal or not? Some say not legal, then why these LGS sells them? Some say legal, only because the AR Pistol is illegal in Hawaii.
From what I gather it none of these laws are black and white. One just needs lots of money for a great lawyer to play it out in court if need be.
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^"From what I gather it none of these laws are black and white. One just needs lots of money for a great lawyer to play it out in court if need be."
You got that right. I think most gun laws would be unconstitutionally vague, at the least, if it weren't for the expense of jumping through the legal hoops and challenging the dot-gov's 8-hour-a-day 5-days-a-week salaried lawyers.
Did I mention it was a stacked deck? And the aces and deuces are trimmed.
Terry
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I think the OPs original question was valid and further validated with 3 pages of responses (with very different answers).....
All the follow on post added to the discussion and thats what the forum is for.
You should have seen the mess I went through a few weeks ago flying with ammo (just ammo, no firearm) out of Lagaurdia, New York..... all of it was due to INTERPERTATION of the written law/regulation by the airline desk agent and the Port Authority.
If you think you are a know it all, good luck!! >:D
Axioms of the day-
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.....
ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME
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Not sure if that last post was aimed at me, but seems like it might be, so I'll respond.
Original post:
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« on: August 24, 2013, 02:24:41 PM »
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
Answer: Yes. Soft case is fine.
What about long guns?
As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.
Answer: Yes, soft case is fine. Unloaded, no ammo. Correct.
If the OP was asking about a backpack, that might be different.
And I agree the discussion was good and a lot of members learned something from it, including me, which is always a bonus. :thumbsup:
And at the end of the day PassiveK and DJT got along. Can't ask for more.
If you think you are a know it all, good luck!! >:D
Axioms of the day-
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.....
ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME
I don't know who that was aimed at Lifer, but was it really necessary. :wave:
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And at the end of the day PassiveK and DJT got along. Can't ask for more.
I just decided to be more civil about it. Someone has to be.
I am also glad others have voiced their opinion, so I know that I did not say the wrong thing or behave badly.
This was not about me. This was about me checking to see what is the acceptable attitude here, both for people raising questions, and people responding to posts.
As stated, I was shocked by Darmok's response, considering 99% of the people I interacted here thus far have been nothing but friendly. I brushed it off as him just having a bad day and I hope that was the reason. Of course I read the gun laws and of course it was ambivalent, which was why I asked.
I certainly hope that friendliness and courtesy is the rule and not the exception here on this HAWAII site, and not taken advantage of.
There are plenty of nasty firearms forums on the Internet already.
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Not sure if that last post was aimed at me, but seems like it might be, so I'll respond.
Original post:
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« on: August 24, 2013, 02:24:41 PM »
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
Answer: Yes. Soft case is fine.
What about long guns?
As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.
Answer: Yes, soft case is fine. Unloaded, no ammo. Correct.
If the OP was asking about a backpack, that might be different.
And I agree the discussion was good and a lot of members learned something from it, including me, which is always a bonus. :thumbsup:
And at the end of the day PassiveK and DJT got along. Can't ask for more.
I don't know who that was aimed at Lifer, but was it really necessary. :wave:
Perfect example of this entire post, interpertation. It wasnt aimed at you at all, AieaHound :shaka:
Was my response necessary; sure why not? Was anything I said wrong ? Again open to interpertation.
When I read the post it brought back the drama I had in NY and have seen these kinds of debates for years. I deal ALOT in regulations and law on a daily basis and get a kick when answers come back so black and white on a grey subject.
Anyway, I though it was a legitimate question by a relatively new member. Also my post was rather late, so looks like Im trolling a bit (not intended).
So no offense to ANYONE (especially you Aieahound), just posting a IMHO and moving on.
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Roger That Lifer !
:shaka:
Never questioned the response, just the:
if you think you are a know it all....
Opinions are like assholes....
part.
Whoever that was aimed at.
Or were you taking a shotgun approach. :rofl: :rofl: ( Just kiddin'. Actually not kiddin', on second thought those principles DO apply to all of us. :thumbsup:)
And no offense taken as I'm not easily offended ( except by Gongho. :shake:)
I certainly hope that friendliness and courtesy is the rule and not the exception here on this HAWAII site, and not taken advantage of.
+1
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It's good to know different opinions and interpretations...when in doubt do what is "pono" or right, then you'll be safe. If one has to think that something is not legal, then don't do it...just do the legal way so that you are good to go. This way, you'll avoid any unnecessary head aches....stealth, blend in, avoid red flags or any attention to yourself. :shaka:
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It's good to know different opinions and interpretations...when in doubt do what is "pono" or right, then you'll be safe. If one has to think that something is not legal, then don't do it...just do the legal way so that you are good to go. This way, you'll avoid any unnecessary head aches
See, that is actually the most pragmatic answer here, given dissenting opinion as to what is legit or not.
In fact that is why I ended up using the hard case for the pistols, after seeing the varying opinions here.
In retrospect PROBABLY putting the handguns inside the side pockets of my rifle case would have been OK. But, again, who wants to get their guns taken away for violating a felony on a technicality?
Anyway this thread is possibly reached end of life. Can be locked by an admin.
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I've gotten different answers from different people (trainers, RSOs, LGS employees, LEO, etc)
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With the amount of uncertainty in this thread one has to ask... Does this statute violate the wording of the 2A? At what point are our rights to possess and transport firearms truly infringed?
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Ask 10 people a question and get 10 variations to an answer.
Ask 20 people and get 20 variations.
They might be similar, but they will each be different.
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Apart from the technical aspects of the original question, I was pleased to note the additional discussion regarding courtesy and decorum on the board. I admit I got moderately miffed at one of the sharp-cornered responses, and mentioned it in the mildest-mannered way I could.
Let the matter now rest, with all of us wiser. Shaka.
Terry
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Since this is still going on...loaded magazines are ok as long as they're kept separate from the firearm itself correct?
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Since this is still going on...loaded magazines are ok as long as they're kept separate from the firearm itself correct?
Maybe, you should start a new thread on this?
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Maybe, you should start a new thread on this?
Maybe, but id rather not.
Thanks.
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Since this is still going on...loaded magazines are ok as long as they're kept separate from the firearm itself correct?
Not when hunting and traversing to/from the hunting area, the gun is considered loaded when the mags are loaded regardless if inserted or not. However I've read it's ok to have loaded mags in checked in baggage (as commercially designed to "carry" ammo?), nevermind the complete lack of security at the far end picking up those same bags. Weird but true.
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I just keep mines in my glove box like most people do :)
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Need someone to start selling tactical underwear that's legally considered a gun case.
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Since this is still going on...loaded magazines are ok as long as they're kept separate from the firearm itself correct?
Hawaii Statues define a loaded Firearm as this:
"Firearm loaded with ammunition" and "loaded firearm" means a firearm with ammunition present within the firing chamber, revolving cylinder, or within a magazine which is inserted in a firearm.
www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0001.htm (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0001.htm)
I guess that's wrong, too, since the laws are all open to interpretation ... :wacko:
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Just my 2cent. I bought a rifle at this pass gun show. Had no case. They wrapped it in brown paper and sent me on my way. Walked around for some time pass HPD sheriffs dnlr. Not one word from anyone.