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General Topics => Preparedness and Survival => Topic started by: Jl808 on August 27, 2013, 07:59:00 PM
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Uh oh... Are we screwed?
http://samuel-warde.com/2013/08/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-caught-off-california-coast/
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:( Hate to say it but yes we are screwed. Only consolation is we're not at ground zero Fukushima but won't be long now when things become even more apparent locally.
Here is a rad detection sticker I got not long after the initial event. It is showing cumulative radiation since April 2011 on the order of 200-400 Rad. One lifetime limit I read said <25 Rad per year as "safe". We have been bombarded by radioactive particles many times that amount here in Hawai'i. My electronic detectors have counts in the thousands in just a few hours time.
Pule for the children, for all of us.
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what!!!! F#%K! Well that explains the extra nutt sack!
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Yep. See it with your own eyes. I used to check the sticker all the time but forgot about it until recently and was similiarly *SHoCKeD*. But what can we do, there is no where to go. West Coast got hit before us due to jetstream but now the ocean currents bring it to our shores and tables. Accept what we cannot change, change what we can for the better. Be good to others and yourselves, this life is short. I am sorry to bring bad news but the truth shall set us free. Aloha.
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You should change your title, the article says "Every bluefin tuna tested in the waters off California has shown to be contaminated with radiation that originated in Fukushima." The article also does not say how much radiation was detected. I could go take a simple giger counter and make it scream from a banana, dosent make the banana dangerous. I am not saying I am not concerned, but no need to be a fear monger.
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You should change your title, the article says "Every bluefin tuna tested in the waters off California has shown to be contaminated with radiation that originated in Fukushima." The article also does not say how much radiation was detected. I could go take a simple giger counter and make it scream from a banana, dosent make the banana dangerous. I am not saying I am not concerned, but no need to be a fear monger.
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:( Hate to say it but yes we are screwed. Only consolation is we're not at ground zero Fukushima but won't be long now when things become even more apparent locally.
Here is a rad detection sticker I got not long after the initial event. It is showing cumulative radiation since April 2011 on the order of 200-400 Rad. One lifetime limit I read said <25 Rad per year as "safe". We have been bombarded by radioactive particles many times that amount here in Hawai'i. My electronic detectors have counts in the thousands in just a few hours time.
Pule for the children, for all of us.
Was this sticker outside? What type of radiation does this sticker gather? What type of detectors do you use? Radiation comes in many different forms. A person's biological risk (that is, the risk that a person will suffer health effects from an exposure to radiation) is measured using the conventional unit rem. Most of the time a years worth of exposure will still be in the mil-rem range.
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:( Hate to say it but yes we are screwed. Only consolation is we're not at ground zero Fukushima but won't be long now when things become even more apparent locally.
Here is a rad detection sticker I got not long after the initial event. It is showing cumulative radiation since April 2011 on the order of 200-400 Rad. One lifetime limit I read said <25 Rad per year as "safe". We have been bombarded by radioactive particles many times that amount here in Hawai'i. My electronic detectors have counts in the thousands in just a few hours time.
Pule for the children, for all of us.
I have to be honest with you and say I do not believe that sticker. For one, there is no unit of mesure on it. Two, all other stickers I can find use the mSv (millisievert) unit of mesure. The avg person in the united states will recieve about 6.24 mSv per year and using this website http://www.epa.gov/radiation/understand/calculate.html, (http://www.epa.gov/radiation/understand/calculate.html,) I accumilate about 362.140 mrem a year which calculates to 3621.40 mSv per year. So that sticker actually shows a lower dose than what I get in one year.
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Why r we all surprised? I knew it was gonna happen in just a matter of time! So now the question is how do we know if the seafood we consume is safe?
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Why r we all surprised? I knew it was gonna happen in just a matter of time! So now the question is how do we know if the seafood we consume is safe?
Yeah, I got to know when to lay off the spicy tuna don bowls.
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This is an alarmist Liberal web article.. Some of my Nuclear Tech Submarine buddies were here on the island and we ALL dined on freshly caught Ahi.. A 3% percent above background radiation is negligible. Just another tree hugger scare story.
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Good. Maybe sashimi will get cheaper!!!! :)
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Good. Maybe sashimi will get cheaper!!!! :)
:rofl: :rofl:
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:( Hate to say it but yes we are screwed. Only consolation is we're not at ground zero Fukushima but won't be long now when things become even more apparent locally.
Here is a rad detection sticker I got not long after the initial event. It is showing cumulative radiation since April 2011 on the order of 200-400 Rad. One lifetime limit I read said <25 Rad per year as "safe". We have been bombarded by radioactive particles many times that amount here in Hawai'i. My electronic detectors have counts in the thousands in just a few hours time.
Pule for the children, for all of us.
Bro. All hype man. No problem here, throw it into the ocean we will be fine.
Find a Navy Nuke to go over nuclear power with you lol.
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Why r we all surprised? I knew it was gonna happen in just a matter of time! So now the question is how do we know if the seafood we consume is safe?
Take your hazmat suit off - you will be fine. Your food is fine.
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Was this sticker outside? What type of radiation does this sticker gather? What type of detectors do you use? Radiation comes in many different forms. A person's biological risk (that is, the risk that a person will suffer health effects from an exposure to radiation) is measured using the conventional unit rem. Most of the time a years worth of exposure will still be in the mil-rem range.
Yes outside on my Jeep on the overhead console to keep it away from direct sunlight, windows always vented.
These stickers are the most widest in use in the world. Read about them here:
http://www.radiationdosimeter.org/ (http://www.radiationdosimeter.org/)
The meters are widely known about as well the Teppa-N and the GMC-300. I also have the keychain style Made in Texas which nuke workers use. Those made some noise once back in 2011 but have remained silent since other than the periodic and normal ticking as it samples. If you think there is no fallout or contamination from Fukushima you are only fooling yourself. Nothing we can do anyways, no use panic.
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FYI
http://youtu.be/xT1-rkJCiuU (http://youtu.be/xT1-rkJCiuU)
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and
http://enenews.com/nuclear-chemist-fukushima-plant-is-like-a-minefield-now-1800-milliseiverts-per-hour-detected-in-four-spots (http://enenews.com/nuclear-chemist-fukushima-plant-is-like-a-minefield-now-1800-milliseiverts-per-hour-detected-in-four-spots)
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So they're putting super concentrated radioactive sludge into an ever decreasing number of available containers, which leak? 90% already used up. When the 1,000th tank is full then what. Freaking bolted together tanks in an earthquake prone area too wtf?
But nothing to see here move along.
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Believe what you want, but there is zero (0) data to support the doomsday predictions so far. All, yes ALL, of the graphics I've seen regarding the "plume" are actually NOAA images that either modeled the tsunami wave action through the Pacific or modeled the potential path of the tsunami debris. Not a single one is based on samples, data or anything having to do with radiation.
The Fukushima site itself is a horrible problem to be sure and we're far from being out of the woods there. But there is no radioactive plume that we know of - except in our imaginations and on the pages of oodles of "look at me! I get $$ from page hits!" alarmist "news" sites and the infoblogs that use them as "sources."
Bluefin Tuna is showing higher levels of radiation. I also heard that plankton is some places is, too. This IS a problem. Its not the end of the world, oh-my-god-the-fisheries-collapse-is-happening situation its being made out to be in the social media idiot storm.
I work with the scientists who keep track of this stuff and the biggest problem right now is that there is very little hard data being collected. The Pacific is HUGE and its very expensive to get any kind of indicative samples much less track that number of remote sampling sites over time. All we have are a few fish samples, models of ocean currents - which aren't particularly reliable - and the overactive imaginations of a public that still remembers the nuclear scare of the cold war.
Panic if you want. Its as good an imaginary reason to panic as the many others available to us. Just understand that the panic is based on nothing except hype generated in a vacuum of real information.
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I see plenty of tunas in Waikiki, behind Pali longs, and hotel street.... they run wild throughout the islands but we can contain um, but i don't know what kine radioactive stuff they get!!
no mind my pigeon ah, :shaka:
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aw this is no fun. I going shopping.
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Clshade, thanks for the reassurance. It is great to know that seafood is not off the menu.
My nuclear physicist friend also said something similar to what you said... That one is more likely to die from mercury in the tuna than the tiny levels of radiation. He said that the alarm about the nuclear contamination of the seafood in the ocean is currently a "mountain out of a molehill."
I think maybe one just needs to keep an eye on the "molehills".
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Comment: It is still leaking that’s all I know.
How safe is it?
I don't know, but ask those who say it is safe are they willing to eat the fish caught near the site and are they willing to visit the site with no protective gear?
http://enenews.com/fukushima-worst-nuclear-disaster-history-reveals-study-one-day-releases-japan-plant-100-quadrillion (http://enenews.com/fukushima-worst-nuclear-disaster-history-reveals-study-one-day-releases-japan-plant-100-quadrillion)
Study: Fukushima released 100 quadrillion becquerels of cesium into atmosphere… In just ONE day — About equal to Chernobyl’s total release
http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-melted-fuel-is-exiting-fukushima-site-its-being-dispersed-to-humans-a-long-way-from-plant-situation-is-beyond-mans-control-audio (http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-melted-fuel-is-exiting-fukushima-site-its-being-dispersed-to-humans-a-long-way-from-plant-situation-is-beyond-mans-control-audio)
* Published: September 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm ET
Nuclear Expert: Melted fuel is exiting Fukushima site — Very effective way of it being dispersed to humans far away from plant — Situation is beyond man’s control — 3 or 4 times Chernobyl’s radioactivity available for release
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Fair & Balanced
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/fukushima-tuna/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/fukushima-tuna/index.html)
Fukushima tuna study finds minuscule health risks
By Matt Smith, CNN updated 10:06 AM EDT, Tue June 4, 2013
Levels of radioactivity found in Pacific bluefin tuna that spawned off Japan around the time of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident are far below anything that would pose a health risk and have dropped in fish caught the following year, U.S. researchers reported Monday.
The waters near the plant remain closed to fishing, and Japan has tightened its standards to keep any contaminated catch from reaching consumers.
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Who to believe is telling the truth, who even knows it? Communist News Network is not high on my list but I know nothing to begin with.
How about the NRA or Tepco itself. And what they're saying is not good. Gotta' love that guy saying there's a lot of water in between us. Let' piss in his rain barrel and watch him drink it LOL :D
http://preview.reuters.com/2013/8/5/fukushima-radioactive-water-likely-breached (http://preview.reuters.com/2013/8/5/fukushima-radioactive-water-likely-breached)
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Freeze the ground to prevent it sinking? How in the world...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-02/more-fukushima-leaks-are-discovered-japan-vows-quick-action (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-02/more-fukushima-leaks-are-discovered-japan-vows-quick-action)
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As serious as this is, I keep hoping that all this radiation will give me some kind of super powers.
Quenton, knowledge is power. You have great knowledge so you have super power already :thumbsup:
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=10337.msg99924#msg99924 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=10337.msg99924#msg99924)
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Some chitter chatter about talks between Japan and China for relocation efforts because if #4 goes it's domino time. I think Peru would be better but no ways for the masses. HI will be toast and HNL will be a clusterfk trying to get out of here but cross that bridge if we get there. Brazil seems very nice and definitely out of the Northern Hemisphere ;)
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If, and only if, everything goes *perfectly*, it can take up to 40 years to clean this mess up:
http://rt.com/news/fukushima-fuel-cleanup-operation-522/ (http://rt.com/news/fukushima-fuel-cleanup-operation-522/)
A lot of good reading here too about the plant manager who just recently passed.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1)
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Check this crazy fish out :wtf:
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If, and only if, everything goes *perfectly*, it can take up to 40 years to clean this mess up:
http://rt.com/news/fukushima-fuel-cleanup-operation-522/ (http://rt.com/news/fukushima-fuel-cleanup-operation-522/)
A lot of good reading here too about the plant manager who just recently passed.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1)
You really need some nuclear qualified friends :P to ease your concerns.
I literally have a friends list on FB full of guys who have studied nuclear power, run reactors, and work in the nuclear industry. A few of them were event sent to do disaster response in Fukashima during the event. When I see this guys post a "oh shit this is bad." I will let you know, but I haven't even seen one yet.
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To add, something from this article: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1)
Let me put this into perspective, while in the Navy I wore a TLD (THERMOLUMINESCENCE DOSIMETRY), which is used to measure exposure. We have a maximum amount of REM that we could be exposed to. This is a set limit, if you exceed, or would exceed that limit in a specific amount of time then you can't work in that area or go back. Civilian companies are the same way; this is likely why they are saying that it's "too high to go back." It might not be really high, but just high enough that you may exceed your allowable exposure limit during. This is stuff that is broken down by the minute. And the levels are low to begin with.
To illustrate the point: If I took my TLD on a jet plane and flew to the mainland, I would exceed my allowable exposure for the year and would no longer be able to work. So think about that. If the levels are low enough, that just a flight on the plane would exceed my allowed exposure at work, what does that mean?
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Yah - that it's always worse than what the government tells you? :D
Some good recent footage here from our friends at
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/04/world/asia/japan-fukushima-crisis/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/04/world/asia/japan-fukushima-crisis/index.html)
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yeah, i find it funny that people who don't want to take dental xrays will fly in planes or even go out in the sun for a few minutes
way more radiation than i could ever use, and i had the lead shield for them too
To add, something from this article: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/fukushima-plant-boss-hero-dies?commentpage=1)
Let me put this into perspective, while in the Navy I wore a TLD (THERMOLUMINESCENCE DOSIMETRY), which is used to measure exposure. We have a maximum amount of REM that we could be exposed to. This is a set limit, if you exceed, or would exceed that limit in a specific amount of time then you can't work in that area or go back. Civilian companies are the same way; this is likely why they are saying that it's "too high to go back." It might not be really high, but just high enough that you may exceed your allowable exposure limit during. This is stuff that is broken down by the minute. And the levels are low to begin with.
To illustrate the point: If I took my TLD on a jet plane and flew to the mainland, I would exceed my allowable exposure for the year and would no longer be able to work. So think about that. If the levels are low enough, that just a flight on the plane would exceed my allowed exposure at work, what does that mean?
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I find it funny that the TSA are standing next to those backscatter and xray machines hour after hour, day in and day out, month after month after month. Reality is going to bite them hard in the future.
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You really need some nuclear qualified friends :P to ease your concerns.
I literally have a friends list on FB full of guys who have studied nuclear power, run reactors, and work in the nuclear industry. A few of them were event sent to do disaster response in Fukashima during the event. When I see this guys post a "oh shit this is bad." I will let you know, but I haven't even seen one yet.
Thanks Chris. Please don't forget about us!!!
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Speaking of nuclear types, one of my old shipmates, who is literally a genius, posted this link a while back. Pretty good explanation of why the leaks are NBD.
Fear Mongering Over Water Leaks (http://theenergycollective.com/rodadams/265286/fear-mongering-over-water-leaks-fukushima-dai-ichi)