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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: lasersgoPewPew77 on November 01, 2013, 03:45:43 PM
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So my friend just texted me this pic today. Anyone else hear about this?
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x426/icuh8nmy8/IMG952013110195120931_zps8e9664d9.jpg) (http://s1181.photobucket.com/user/icuh8nmy8/media/IMG952013110195120931_zps8e9664d9.jpg.html)
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No more pew pew at the metal plates. That's unfortunate.
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damn and i was building my rifle to shoot long distance.
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thats not good
we shouldn't give in one inch to the whiners.
what recent incidents?
anything actually proved to be from the range?
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i guess now we know what happened at that neighborhood board meeting the other night
thats not good
we shouldn't give in one inch to the whiners.
what recent incidents?
anything actually proved to be from the range?
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Greg wins!
Kitty Won't Stop Licking My Face! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PNHKMSwqXE#ws)
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What unfortunate incidents are these that happened?
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What the fuck?! I have a feeling that board meeting caused this. We don't need more limitations at the only public range. And what, can still shoot steel within 100? Hopefully we can find out more about what happened and set things right
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What unfortunate incidents are these that happened?
I received a forwarded email from HHAA that Greg Knudsen claimed to have found a bullet and was going to bring it up at the Hawaii Kai neighborhood board meeting this past Tuesday @ 7pm. I wasn't there but from this effect on the range, I can only surmise what transpired at the board meeting. Could be another reason altogether but until we receive a response from the rangemaster we can only speculate.
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I was talking to a RO and he said two houses got stuck in kalama valley
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there's no way
unless they are saying the ricochet went over koko head
I was talking to a RO and he said two houses got stuck in kalama valley
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Hell I live in that valley... No way in hell can it go over unless they shoot over the trail....
Maybe those hikers threw something down from the top of koko head.... The trail is considered closed and off limits... He must have been one of those idiots who voted to put the damn trees and grass median down lunalilo....
Same idiots who let foodland leave HK, now there is only one market unless you drive to Aina Haina.....
Who voted that jacka%&?
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If it was a ricochet, it will be very obvious. Will look for any followup to that idiot liberal and his quest to eliminate all shooting opportunities.
You know the bastard is working with others on Oahu to eliminate all shooting. If they cannot ban guns, just make it impossible to shoot them.
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what if its somebody at sandys shooting from there
what if it somebody in kalama valley shooting from their house
at my next neghborhood meeting i'm going to insist that all my neighbors cannot weed whack
bc all their grass ends up on my Mustang.
or regulate the water pressure on sprinklers bc of the overspray on my car.
or my friend lives next to a golf course gets golf balls in his yard
so now they should only be able to putt
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Post the damn bullets!!!!
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Looks like it may be time to start writing the mayor and our representatives about this. He already restored the range hours. Let's see if he steps up to the plate on this one.
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what if its somebody at sandys shooting from there
what if it somebody in kalama valley shooting from their house
I used to live in Kalama valley and on July 4 and New Year, someone could have ripped off a belt of 7.62 through a M60 and it would hardly have been noticed. The place is a free fire zone.. Who knows what get fired in the air?
The idea of a ricochet, with the ballistics of a brick making it that far from KHSC is beyond insane.
I hope some calm person with that sort of knowledge is at one of the hearings with this agitator Knudsen.
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Hopefully this is just a knee jerk reaction to Greg "The Cat Man" Knudsen and his constituents can vote him out. Will this be permanent? I know the Mayor shoots does anyone here have any pull with him so he can advocate on our behalf?
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Funny how people's yards have bullets about 1 mile away and over a mountain, while no one in the parking has had problems with ricochets.....
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Will this be permanent?
Apparently it will be permanent.
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Wtf?!
Is there anything we can do about this?
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Funny how people's yards have bullets about 1 mile away and over a mountain, while no one in the parking has had problems with ricochets.....
there have been incidents of broken windows in the parking lot. Doubters can talk to the ROs at the range.
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wow, what crap! eh, Hawaii is pretty crap anyways. just got shittier
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I've seen inexperianced shooters over shoot the berm or backstop while settling into a standing position with their finger resting on the trigger...
Punishing the long range shooters for a noob accident
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wow, what crap! eh, Hawaii is pretty crap anyways. just got shittier
Agreed.
What a joke if it remains this way. Anyone got some land? Ridiculous
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100 yards suck. It was challenging to hit the 200 and 300 yard plates standing with my M4 with irons, used to enjoy doing it but no more.
But eh, you can come out to Puuloa and enjoy our 600 yard rifle range.
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100 yards suck. It was challenging to hit the 200 and 300 yard plates standing with my M4 with irons, used to enjoy doing it but no more.
But eh, you can come out to Puuloa and enjoy our 600 yard rifle range.
How do you join that range?
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Dammit! I liked shooting the metal targets! I'm an avid surfer and would love to go shooting but have realized in the last few years hawaii sucks in this area. Where can I move to that has year round warm water surf and gun laws like Texas??? :(
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So does this mean we won't see hikers going up Kokohead during live fire anymore? I mean after all, these measure are being put in place for Public Safety Concerns.
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don't sound too good
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So does this mean we won't see hikers going up Kokohead during live fire anymore? I mean after all, these measure are being put in place for Public Safety Concerns.
That's my biggest gripe. That trail isn't sanctioned and is supposedly illegal yet there are more incidents that occur there than at the range. How may times can you cite an HFD heli ferrying an injured hiker? There are no regulations or ticketing of these illegal hikers. Greg Knudsen's last argument of finding a bullet there at the trail, should've brought a reaction about him being an illegal hiker - a trespasser. In fact, there was a very violent crime that occurred there years ago involving a now freed, mentally ill criminal who stabbed two hikers on that trail.
The city or state should realize that the ILLEGAL trail is costing them more than the Kokohead shooting complex.
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^^^^ All very good points ren. These are some of the points that need to be covered the H.K. meeting.
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^^^^ All very good points ren. These are some of the points that need to be covered the H.K. meeting.
You guys might want to pull up the original news story on Hawaii News Now. When they aired it I seem to remember them showing the bullet and it was in really good shape. Plus, if you see where it came through his window (also shown in the news story) it is up at the top, not the center or bottom. Seems extremely fishy to me.
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You guys might want to pull up the original news story on Hawaii News Now. When they aired it I seem to remember them showing the bullet and it was in really good shape. Plus, if you see where it came through his window (also shown in the news story) it is up at the top, not the center or bottom. Seems extremely fishy to me.
Searched, but can't find anything, do you have a link?
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Hear its a 30 cal bullet about 168gr.....FMJ-BT
NFW it could come from KHSC
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Hear its a 30 cal bullet about 168gr.....FMJ-BT
NFW it could come from KHSC
I also heard it had no markings and that it was fabricated or something like that.
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I also heard it had no markings and that it was fabricated or something like that.
That was the last one he showed at the meeting a year ago....before that he busted out a 7.7mm 2" bullet from a Japanese Zero WW2 or something like that.
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This is a strange coincidence. I heard that the Director of Parks and Recreation has just banned the use of all clubs except for pitching wedges at the Hawaii Kai Golf course to address complaints of stray golf balls in the neighboring community.
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I took a picture of the ricocheted bullet they found, definitely looks like it came from kokohead. ???
Perfect ricochet
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Soooooo LAME...
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this is outrageous. we should start a petition and write the mayor non-stop.
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this is outrageous. we should start a petition and write the mayor non-stop.
This. Kokohead is the only public shooting range we have and we can't have it limited further.
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And how do we know this Knudsen clown didn't orchestrate this broken window w/ a unfired round just so he can incrementally get rid of the KHSC? Seems like this fuckface has it in for the range and the 2A. But don't fret, he really, really wants our island community to embrace and promote the idea of matrimonial sodomy between same sex unions. Yep, Second Amendment bad, homosexual marriage good. That about sums up the deranged mentality of liberalism.
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This. Kokohead is the only public shooting range we have and we can't have it limited further.
Exactly. 100 yard limit is laughable, and i find it totally unacceptable. i'm going to write to that Greg Knudsen character also. i think if they HAVE to put some kind of limit, we should demand it be something like 300-400 yards, 100 yards is a fucking joke.
start writing guys
Mayor Kirk Caldwell
530 S. King St., Room 306
Honolulu, HI 96813
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I am at a party right now
The story I heard today is that it is NOT because of the Knudsen/Kalama valley incidents
I will write more later
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I am at a party right now
The story I heard today is that it is NOT because of the Knudsen/Kalama valley incidents
I will write more later
Thanks macsak, hope its fixable
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Ok
Was at an okinawan party today
Mayor Caldwell and gov hobbit were there
Was going to ask the mayor about the range
My friend was sitting next to me is hpd
He said one of the black powder guys was shooting at the steel targets and a ricochet hit someone on the line
As much as I want to blame Knudsen, I think we need to wait until we hear the full story
I am sure someone at the range this weekend got the scoop from the ROs
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Ok
Was at an okinawan party today
Mayor Caldwell and gov hobbit were there
Was going to ask the mayor about the range
My friend was sitting next to me is hpd
He said one of the black powder guys was shooting at the steel targets and a ricochet hit someone on the line
As much as I want to blame Knudsen, I think we need to wait until we hear the full story
I am sure someone at the range this weekend got the scoop from the ROs
Who is he? The mayor or your HPD friend? If this is the case, then why did a RO tell a different story at the range today? One told me a 30 cal bullet hit a home or broke a window (something to that effect). NO such talk of what you described as the black powder guys were still shooting steel targets at 50yrds/ maybe 25yrds today. This is a shit show.
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My friend in hpd
My message is to not jump to conclusions that it is Knudsen
And want to tar and feather him
I was at that point too
Bit now that I hear that their are other possible stories, I want to wait and see what all the data is
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Damn phone
Sorry for the typos
My friend in hpd
My message is to not jump to conclusions that it is Knudsen
And want to tar and feather him
I was at that point too
Bit now that I hear that their are other possible stories, I want to wait and see what all the data is
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We need a letter writing campaign to keep the targets over 100 yards
Limit it to smaller calibers if needed.
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Going to write to the Mayor. Plus wouldn't it make more sense to shoot at targets further away to limit ricochets, not closer. Why would you restrict to 100 yards then... Whichever story is correct, we still gotta try and get the normal range restored.
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could it be that the rifle range was only designed to be a 100 yd range? because of the recent incidents rifle range is being brought back to original design.
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could it be that the rifle range was only designed to be a 100 yd range? because of the recent incidents rifle range is being brought back to how the original design.
Even if it was, don't revert back. This is the only public outdoor range on the island. It's not like the mainland where they have lots of ranges around the state with different distances.
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Talking to RO today he said they may let people put up paper targets and stands at some point. There is already six pipes in the ground at 200 for stands. No metal targets though.
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Talking to RO today he said they may let people put up paper targets and stands at some point. There is already six pipes in the ground at 200 for stands. No metal targets though.
Seems like a misplaced fix.... Based on the physics of this... Metal targets at 200-400 yards are not likely the source of errant slugs raining down a mile plus down range...
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Is anyone on here a resident of the area served by this board? Having residents to represent 2a issues articulately and attend this would be productive.
Also, I agree with comments that moving the line up makes no sense if ricochets are a concern... Shooting a target at 100yards.. The round will pass right through the cardboard and hit the backstop not much differently than if the target was at 200 or 300 yards. You can actually argue that having the targets closer to the backstop is safer because in the event they are deflected, by say a post, an equivalent angle deflection closer to the backstop would result in less overall deflection. In other words, moving the targets towards the backstop is actually safer. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is a big deal, but this is probably not intuitive to the neighborhood board. In their mind if the problem is having bullets go too far - the solution is to shoot at something closer. While we understand the absurdity of this, they evidently don't. Perhaps some graphics would help explain this? Get an expert to testify?
Range is not the issue, the type of target potentially is. While I think this Greg guy is making stuff up and do not believe the rounds he carries in came from the range.. One certainly would expect a higher probability of ricochet with angled heavy steel targets. So another way to make the case for safety would be to volunteer clearer guidelines for safe metal targets. Require they angle down slightly, for example. I realize this is already briefly mentioned on KHSC website, but perhaps these two points need to be clearly articulated to the board and homeowners in a way they can understand. To be clear, I think the existing targets are fine - this needs to be communicated.
Thoughts?
Folks it's understandable that these things are frustrating but venting on here won't result in action, we need to meet the concerns of the board members and educate them on how KHSC is safe, in language they understand.
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range design
http://www.nssf.org/ranges/RangeResources/library/detail.cfm?filename=facility_mngmnt/design/design_criteria.htm&CAT=Facility%20Management (http://www.nssf.org/ranges/RangeResources/library/detail.cfm?filename=facility_mngmnt/design/design_criteria.htm&CAT=Facility%20Management)