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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: REVN556 on February 20, 2011, 11:29:50 AM
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Hey everyone I've been doing alot of research into purchasing an AR-15. I looked into then and have done all the research and have found nothing wrong with them. I hear nothing but good things about them. I even had a buddy from a Special Forces Group use them and say that they are fantastic. In contrast I heard from one person, who is a reputable and respectable person, tell me that there have been many failures to the product and they're all over the place online. I have tried time and time again to find these reports on the PWS but I haven't found any. Does anyone have any personal experience with these weapons? Can someone point me in the right direction when it comes to unbiased product reviews of the PWS? This would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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Well I have purchased my rifle and I did end up getting the PWS Diablo M114. I absolutely love it. I thought I was firing a DI gun.
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That DIABLO is wicked! Nice buy REVN556! (need to see some pics in the pic thread now) :thumbsup:
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I got one as well , i think its a great deal for what you get. I was surprised how low the recoil was since i heard people saying gas piston will make it kick harder, but i guess the long stroke gas piston solves that issue also the bolt carrier tilt. I might want a spare once i shoot the crap out my current one.
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I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome. Only issue was op rod failures. I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure. Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face. It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1. Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary. That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.
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I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome. Only issue was op rod failures. I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure. Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face. It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1. Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary. That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.
I thought Gunsource was the exclusive distributor for pws on this island?
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we carry their comps direct. As far as im aware, PWS is open vendor based on buy in. it could have changed without me knowing it, however.
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Just a side note. Spoke with PWS about Master Distribution and Gun Source is the master distributor for Hawaii. Even though we were a dealer first he ponied up to the distributor level buy in so they are the only ones that get distributor pricing.
That being said they are charging $50 over MSRP and the rifles are $100 under MSRP on gunbroker.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228410655 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228410655)
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Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on the PWS MK1 as compared to the ADCOR BEAR?
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Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on the PWS MK1 as compared to the ADCOR BEAR?
I havent heard much about the bear. I rather have a PWS our LWRC.
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Just a side note. Spoke with PWS about Master Distribution and Gun Source is the master distributor for Hawaii. Even though we were a dealer first he ponied up to the distributor level buy in so they are the only ones that get distributor pricing.
That being said they are charging $50 over MSRP and the rifles are $100 under MSRP on gunbroker.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228410655 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228410655)
so after the $70 shipping to Hawaii and $100 FFL transfer, GunSource is the cheapest place to buy them.
Thanks for the info. Good looking out.
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Just a side note. Spoke with PWS about Master Distribution and Gun Source is the master distributor for Hawaii. Even though we were a dealer first he ponied up to the distributor level buy in so they are the only ones that get distributor pricing.
That being said they are charging $50 over MSRP and the rifles are $100 under MSRP on gunbroker.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228410655 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228410655)
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so after the $70 shipping to Hawaii and $100 FFL transfer,
Who's stroking you guys with an $100 FFL transfer?
OGC's FFL transfer is $40.
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so after the $70 shipping to Hawaii and $100 FFL transfer,
Who's stroking you guys with an $100 FFL transfer?
OGC's FFL transfer is $40.
Even if the transfer fee were 30 dollars like it is at "Ready on the Right" (Al Mungeon's place) it's still less expensive to buy locally than from gun broker for this particular firearm.
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Even if the transfer fee were 30 dollars like it is at "Ready on the Right" (Al Mungeon's place) it's still less expensive to buy locally than from gun broker for this particular firearm.
Let's see:
Purchase locally $1500 + $70.68 tax = $1570.68
GB $1400 + $70 shipping + $30 transfer = $1500.00
I think you still might be able to knock some $ off the shipping costs and save even more.
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Why don't we buy all our guns accessories and ammo from the mainland so the local gun dealers go out of business.
That's not smart
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Why don't we buy all our guns accessories and ammo from the mainland so the local gun dealers go out of business.
That's not smart
I agree, but in this case it would make more sense to bring the rifle in as the LGS is selling for over MSRP. I believe in supporting the LGS (local gun shop) but not if you're getting reamed. I purchase most of my stuff locally but if I find a good deal or something rare I'll bring it in and do a transfer.
At days end, it's your $$ so feel free to spend it as you wish. ;D
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Good news all PWS rifles are heat treated from the get-go :thumbsup:. I called PWS today and spoke with Stacy, I asked him about the concern about the OP rod failure since my rifle was one of the first batches. This isolated incident has never been confirmed our reported to PWS. Personally i would rather buy local, getting customer service would be easier since there is a PWS master distributor here. PWS did make a retro fit piston conversion many years ago, many people were installing them improperly causing issues that is why they discontinued it. I have nothing but good things about MK1-Mk2 rifles.
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Why would supporting local gun shops require paying more? Our pricing is almost always competitive when you compare us to buying online and factor in our $40 FFL fee and between $20-40 shipping. Even considering the sales tax. This is a global economy, you have to have a business model that makes you at least competitive with the market at large. If you want to say it costs more to do business in Hawaii I buy that.. but over MSRP when everyone else sells an item for 7-10% less than MSRP? That's just profiteering.
I say buy from where it makes sense.
BTW, just to be clear, I do recommend buying PWS rifles from Gun Source if the numbers work for you. Tony is a good guy and deserves your business. I just personally don't like the over retail thing.
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Why would supporting local gun shops require paying more? Our pricing is almost always competitive when you compare us to buying online and factor in our $40 FFL fee and between $20-40 shipping. Even considering the sales tax. This is a global economy, you have to have a business model that makes you at least competitive with the market at large. If you want to say it costs more to do business in Hawaii I buy that.. but over MSRP when everyone else sells an item for 7-10% less than MSRP? That's just profiteering.
I say buy from where it makes sense.
BTW, just to be clear, I do recommend buying PWS rifles from Gun Source if the numbers work for you. Tony is a good guy and deserves your business. I just personally don't like the over retail thing.
I've bought guns from every single gun shop on the island.
I know for a fact that every privately owned gun shop is willing to make a deal for someone.
If you offer a few dollars less for a gun to match a mainland seller, they'll do it.
Sometimes they can't go any lower but they'll throw in a couple boxes of ammo or accessories.
I'm all for buying local.
I don't believe in supporting the mainland dealers when I live in Hawaii.
I might pay a few dollars more but I don't want my local dealers to go out of business because stingy people buy from mainland dealers just to save a few dollars.
I bring my friends to local dealers to buy guns even after they tell me how they can save 20 bucks by buying online.
Now as far as your point, I agree to a point.
If dealers are charging hundreds of dollars more the same gun that you can buy from a mainland dealer for hundreds less then definitely buy where it makes sense.
But for 50 bucks, keep the local gun shops in business.
It's the LGS that will help you when you have questions.
It's at those local shops where you'll go and shoot the sh!t and discuss how much you hate certain politicians.
If these shops are shut down because everyone decided to save a few dollars and support some mainland dealer, then shame on you.
Live local, buy local.
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Just a side note back on original thread topic...
I've been asking around from the sources that had informed me of the problems with regards to the op rod issues of the PWS rifles. It seems that with the exception of one rifle that had a rod failure (contrary to a previous poster who said Stacey at PWS claims it has never failed) who posted pics of the failure and PWS fixed the rifle almost immediately, nobody has managed to come up with another case of this kind of failure on the weapon system.
I just think it would be a jerk move for me to find this out and not post it because I had raised concerns before.
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I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome. Only issue was op rod failures. I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure. Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face. It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1. Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary. That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.
Hello to the 2aHawaii Forum and its members.
I would like to thank every PWS Rifle, upper, and accessory owner in the Islands for your amazing support of the MK114 and other PWS products. It is very exciting to see so many people thrilled with your products and how the word of mouth spreads like wild fire when that product impresses its new owner.
This being said it is disheartening and frankly sad when someone posts incorrect (everyone makes a mistake) or worse yet, fabricated misinformation in order to try and dirty a particular product, manufacturer or their dealer's reputation in the eyes of those that read this forum.
As a result of the above post, I would like to ask the posting party for OGC Tactical to produce documentaion of this failure of an op-rod piercing the top rail or admit that their post is completely fabricated and untrue.
If anyone here has any questions about the quality and reliability of our products, you can contact me directly at the following.
PWS Inc
Mr. Stacey Nagy
stacey@primaryweapons.com
208-344-5217 ext 206
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Thanks for dropping by PWS. It's always nice to have a manufacturer reaching out to its customers. You guys also make some great and innovative products.
As OGC stated in his last post, he was wrong in his earlier post regarding the op rod failures. I am glad to hear that the PWS system is working well and properly.
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I'm curious as to how accurate "piston" ARs are versus a direct impingement system.
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Considering it happened right on the range at the designated marksman course last year at Kbay I'm pretty sure I'll be able to oblige. I'll ask for pictures and post when I get them. I never saw the rifle in person but did see the pictures and certainly believed them. I'll get back when possible.
I'm not trying to bash the product, in fact I've posted quite the opposite. But it's put up or shut up on me so I'll dig into it.
I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome. Only issue was op rod failures. I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure. Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face. It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1. Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary. That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.
Hello to the 2aHawaii Forum and its members.
I would like to thank every PWS Rifle, upper, and accessory owner in the Islands for your amazing support of the MK114 and other PWS products. It is very exciting to see so many people thrilled with your products and how the word of mouth spreads like wild fire when that product impresses its new owner.
This being said it is disheartening and frankly sad when someone posts incorrect (everyone makes a mistake) or worse yet, fabricated misinformation in order to try and dirty a particular product, manufacturer or their dealer's reputation in the eyes of those that read this forum.
As a result of the above post, I would like to ask the posting party for OGC Tactical to produce documentaion of this failure of an op-rod piercing the top rail or admit that their post is completely fabricated and untrue.
If anyone here has any questions about the quality and reliability of our products, you can contact me directly at the following.
PWS Inc
Mr. Stacey Nagy
stacey@primaryweapons.com
208-344-5217 ext 206
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I'm curious as to how accurate "piston" ARs are versus a direct impingement system.
The consensus among many shooters experienced with both DI and Piston weapons is that accuracy is not affected by piston operation as the weapon has fired and the bullet has cleared the bore before the piston is even pressurised and begins moving. As a manufacturer, our own experience has shown us that barrel quality and twist rate is 95% of a weapons accuracy in regards to 5.56 from 55gr to 77 gr. That is of course when comparing barrel length to equal barrel length. I hope this helps.
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Wow, its good to see the put up or shut up directly from the manufacturer.
I've been considering buying the PWS rifle in 7.62x39 as my next purchase.
How does it hold up to the old milsurp ammo as well as the steel cased Russian stuff?
I know my Mini 30 doesn't like steel cased ammo and I'm forced to shoot brass cased ammo in it.
Have there been any extensive testing with any or all of the cheap ammo out there?
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Wow, its good to see the put up or shut up directly from the manufacturer.
I've been considering buying the PWS rifle in 7.62x39 as my next purchase.
How does it hold up to the old milsurp ammo as well as the steel cased Russian stuff?
I know my Mini 30 doesn't like steel cased ammo and I'm forced to shoot brass cased ammo in it.
Have there been any extensive testing with any or all of the cheap ammo out there?
The MK114 in 7.62X39 was developed and tested to be used with Wolf, or any of the other common steel cased ammunition available. In 7.62X39 AR platforms in the past, steel cased ammo has been cited as the cause for broken extractors. We have not seen this in our bolt and we believe it to be due to the fact that we took the print for a 6.5 Grendel bolt and re-engineered it for use with 7.62X39. We've seen one isolated case of a broken extractor in over 2 years of production.
Wolf, Golden Tiger and other steel cased 7.62X39 has been used with our MK107 and MK114 uppers and rifles in 7.62X39. All this aside, I really do recommend not using the old mil surp stuff that is floating around that is corrosive. Yes, all surfaces in our weapons are either corrosion proofed through finish or through the type of alloy used, but there is no reason to run that highly corrosive ammo with all the choices in 7.62X39.
I hope this helps and thank you for the support.
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What exactly are you bumping?
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What exactly are you bumping?
I swear i was going to ask that exact same question this morning when i read the bump.
i went back in the thread to see what was for sale.
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What exactly are you bumping?
Bumping for more info...
I was looking into picking one of these up, so I wanted to learn more about this particular rifle...
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Are "bumps" reserved for sales? If so my bad...
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Are "bumps" reserved for sales? If so my bad...
Not that I know of, but it looks as if this thread is dead...
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Eh Steel Rule ;) I think Gun Source had these for sale a while back..... :thumbsup:
By the way, howz the family doing? ;D
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What exactly are you bumping?
Bumping for more info...
I was looking into picking one of these up, so I wanted to learn more about this particular rifle...
Well they seem to be OK. My one concern with that rifle is if you have that in pieces and step on that op rod, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole bolt carrier needs to go back to PWS to be repaired. On the plus side, it seems to be a pretty light piston rifle.......maybe one of the lightest out there?
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Eh Steel Rule ;) I think Gun Source had these for sale a while back..... :thumbsup:
By the way, howz the family doing? ;D
Haha! Wassup my Braddah!
Da fam is good lol
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What exactly are you bumping?
Bumping for more info...
I was looking into picking one of these up, so I wanted to learn more about this particular rifle...
Well they seem to be OK. My one concern with that rifle is if you have that in pieces and step on that op rod, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole bolt carrier needs to go back to PWS to be repaired. On the plus side, it seems to be a pretty light piston rifle.......maybe one of the lightest out there?
Right on GZire, dually noted...appreciate it bra
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I recently bought an MK114 chambered in 5.56 and have let a lot of my friends shoot it and they all absolutely marvel at its performance and out of the box accuracy. Some have even become converts. My main reasons for choosing this particular rifle versus a DI style rifle was felt recoil and overall weight of the rifle. This all mattered to me because I recently started getting my wife into shooting. She has never fired a gun let alone even held one until a few months ago. We went to Gun Source and Tony gave it to her to hold. She was really comfortable with it. It was light and adjustable for her frame. She is very petite standing only 4'10" and really slender. When we got it we took it out to the range and she thoroughly loves it, in fact I think she's put more rounds through it to date than I have. Now yes it does cost more than other systems, even if you were to build it up yourself, but for the confidence and enjoyment it has given my wife in shooting its worth every penny. Now if PWS would just make one in 6.5 Grendel I would be in heaven.
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^^^Light weight doesn't help recoil, but I tell you what the PWS comp does. I think that Battlecomp and Surefire put out some nice comps.
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^^^Light weight doesn't help recoil, but I tell you what the PWS comp does. I think that Battlecomp and Surefire put out some nice comps.
Yes I know that light weight has nothing to do with recoil but light weight combined with other attributes of the PWS system makes a nice shooting rifle for small framed women. The light weight was so that she could easily shoulder the gun and shoot from a standing position. She tried my friends Rock River a few times and really didn't care for it, too heavy and makes my arms sore and all these little whiney remarks. None what so ever with this gun. She also tried a Bushmaster that belongs to our friend's friend that we went shooting with. That one was uncomfortable mainly because it didn't have an adjustable butt stock plus the weight was about the same as the Rock River. But my wife has learned that weight is a good thing when shooting handguns such as a 357 Magnum... her recoil management is damn near perfect. You should have seen our instructors' jaws drop when she shot it and hit her mark everytime with solid technique. I wish I could day she learned it from me but no such luck. Rifle wise the 5.56/.223 is the largest round she's shot to date. You are right though the PWS compensator really helps with the muzzle rise on such a light gun so that quick follow up shots are easy to do. She has no problems... in fact if I don't practice she may become a better shot than me.
I am hoping to build an 6.5 Grendel based AR in which I plan to use a PWS buffer tube and a Enidine hydraulic buffer, but I plan to try a Vias muzzle break which my wife's cousin reccomends. If she does well with that then move on up to a 308 bolt action. With both those rifles I don't think there is really going to be a way to skirt the weight issue... oh well I guess I should make her do all the heavy lifting from now until then ;D.
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I agree, If you can get it cheaper somewhere else...so be it.
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While I am Big Al's biggest proponent, I am also a fan of "buy locally." I consider 5% a reasonable "mark-up" for buying from a local vendor over buying from far, far away. I'll happily pay $1050 for a product I could have gotten for $1000 if the difference means a local vendor gets the business. It's just sad to me how rarely that is the case.
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^^^OGC has been really good to sell items that match mainland pricing. Tony from Gun Source had told me that he'd be matching prices as well, but the last time I was in there he was selling a HK MR223 for $500 above pricing, so that didn't last too long. For me if I was to buy something off the shelf I'd go to OGC.
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I ordered my mk114 from Tony back in June and love it. It shoots well and is real easy to clean. OGC sells the MK114 for a hundred dollars less.
Now i do all my shopping at OGC.
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Considering it happened right on the range at the designated marksman course last year at Kbay I'm pretty sure I'll be able to oblige. I'll ask for pictures and post when I get them. I never saw the rifle in person but did see the pictures and certainly believed them. I'll get back when possible.
I'm not trying to bash the product, in fact I've posted quite the opposite. But it's put up or shut up on me so I'll dig into it.
I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome. Only issue was op rod failures. I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure. Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face. It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1. Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary. That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.
Hello to the 2aHawaii Forum and its members.
I would like to thank every PWS Rifle, upper, and accessory owner in the Islands for your amazing support of the MK114 and other PWS products. It is very exciting to see so many people thrilled with your products and how the word of mouth spreads like wild fire when that product impresses its new owner.
This being said it is disheartening and frankly sad when someone posts incorrect (everyone makes a mistake) or worse yet, fabricated misinformation in order to try and dirty a particular product, manufacturer or their dealer's reputation in the eyes of those that read this forum.
As a result of the above post, I would like to ask the posting party for OGC Tactical to produce documentaion of this failure of an op-rod piercing the top rail or admit that their post is completely fabricated and untrue.
If anyone here has any questions about the quality and reliability of our products, you can contact me directly at the following.
PWS Inc
Mr. Stacey Nagy
stacey@primaryweapons.com
208-344-5217 ext 206
Do you have pictures of the OP rod failure?
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Considering it happened right on the range at the designated marksman course last year at Kbay I'm pretty sure I'll be able to oblige. I'll ask for pictures and post when I get them. I never saw the rifle in person but did see the pictures and certainly believed them. I'll get back when possible.
I'm not trying to bash the product, in fact I've posted quite the opposite. But it's put up or shut up on me so I'll dig into it.
I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome. Only issue was op rod failures. I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure. Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face. It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1. Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary. That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.
Hello to the 2aHawaii Forum and its members.
I would like to thank every PWS Rifle, upper, and accessory owner in the Islands for your amazing support of the MK114 and other PWS products. It is very exciting to see so many people thrilled with your products and how the word of mouth spreads like wild fire when that product impresses its new owner.
This being said it is disheartening and frankly sad when someone posts incorrect (everyone makes a mistake) or worse yet, fabricated misinformation in order to try and dirty a particular product, manufacturer or their dealer's reputation in the eyes of those that read this forum.
As a result of the above post, I would like to ask the posting party for OGC Tactical to produce documentaion of this failure of an op-rod piercing the top rail or admit that their post is completely fabricated and untrue.
If anyone here has any questions about the quality and reliability of our products, you can contact me directly at the following.
PWS Inc
Mr. Stacey Nagy
stacey@primaryweapons.com
208-344-5217 ext 206
Do you have pictures of the OP rod failure?
No pictures or proof to date.
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I am very curious of the authenticity of this failure. Not sure if is legit our Fabricated. It sounds very serious.
Debating on pickup up this rifle. Not being able to produce actual proof really makes me skeptical about OGC's credibilty.
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^^^Not everyone takes pictures all the time. I've picked a shaved piece of a 357 jacket out of my arm before (actually a couple of pieces). It happened, but I don't have pics.
If you want a PWS, then buy one.
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^^^Not everyone takes pictures all the time. I've picked a shaved piece of a 357 jacket out of my arm before (actually a couple of pieces). It happened, but I don't have pics.
If you want a PWS, then buy one.
Agreed. We're all conditioned to immediately say, "Pics or it didn't happen," but pics aren't always available. I've seen a lot of things about OGC on a lot of threads, but none of it substantiated in any meaningful way, and I've never heard somebody call them dishonest, or anything of the sort. If OGC says he saw one blow up in the manner described, I believe him.
I also wouldn't let it color my opinion of a particular firearm. If nobody ever bought a make/model of firearm that had suffered a catastrophic failure, there'd be no gun companies left. If you look around the dark recesses of the internet, you'll find stories and pictures of all kinds of guns coming unglued and injuring people, but that's not the norm, even for bottom of the barrel guns. (Can't wait for KingKeoni's Hi-Point review! :D) Any gun may come apart at any time, for a variety of reasons, but the odds of it happening to you are statistically insignificant and not worth worrying about. Much more germane in terms of "quality" is how well the gun works. Does it cycle reliably with a wide range of ammo brands? Does it feel good ergonomically? Is it too heavy, or too light? All those things you can find a plethora of information on. It's much harder to find info on operating rods blowing up recievers and putting out eyeballs, because it basically never happens, with any gun, without a damn good reason. (i.e. I used it for a muzzle-down walking stick while hiking ten miles in to my hunting stand, then immediately took a shot at a bull moose. Derp!)
TLDR: If a PWS fits you well, feels good, meets any coolness requirements you might have, and seems like it will function reliably, buy a PWS, and forget the worst-case horror stories.
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I am very curious of the authenticity of this failure. Not sure if is legit our Fabricated. It sounds very serious.
Debating on pickup up this rifle. Not being able to produce actual proof really makes me skeptical about OGC's credibilty.
TROLLAGE
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In interests of full disclosure it turns out the op rod failure turned out to be an Adams Arms system, NOT a PWS...
Not a fabrication at all. In fact, the guy pointing out the rod broken through the rail is Travis Haley, this is at KBay
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It was misreported to us. As far as we are aware, the PWS rifles have no more common failures than happen to all other AR platforms like extractor or firing pin failures.
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Interesting pics, OGC, thanks for posting. Never doubted you. In your professional opinion, would you agree that a catastrophic failure of the weapon like that one is pretty much one in a million, and can be safely disregarded when shopping for a new gun?
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Interesting pics, OGC, thanks for posting. Never doubted you. In your professional opinion, would you agree that a catastrophic failure of the weapon like that one is pretty much one in a million, and can be safely disregarded when shopping for a new gun?
Sure! Absolutely anything can fail. I've seen Colts, the definition of milspec, have failure and cycle issues right our of the box. Its really rare, but it happens. What matters at that point is how the manufacturer/distributor rectifies the problem. As far as I have read, in almost every case PWS has worked with the customer to make it right, although almost all of the credible failures online seem to be from the early retrofit days, not the fully manufactured rifles.
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Interesting pics, OGC, thanks for posting. Never doubted you. In your professional opinion, would you agree that a catastrophic failure of the weapon like that one is pretty much one in a million, and can be safely disregarded when shopping for a new gun?
Sure! Absolutely anything can fail. I've seen Colts, the definition of milspec, have failure and cycle issues right our of the box. Its really rare, but it happens. What matters at that point is how the manufacturer/distributor rectifies the problem. As far as I have read, in almost every case PWS has worked with the customer to make it right, although almost all of the credible failures online seem to be from the early retrofit days, not the fully manufactured rifles.
Good point, that wasn't one of the things that came to mind when I was thinking about it. I'll have to keep that in mind when I'm buying my next gun. Honestly, you don't hear much in reviews and whatnot about companies' customer service when guns have problems. It's easy to find out how susceptible a particular model is to feed failures, failures to extract, and so-on, but you never hear about the big, big problems.
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+1 for credibility.
Carter, I'm glad you were able to get the pics and explain the problem. It sounds like PWS is good to go.