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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on November 28, 2013, 03:39:47 PM
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That we are being watched. Apparently, an RSO said that Mr. knudsen was at the range taking pictures of shooters pointing their firearms at the sky. I was shooting my 22 lr and was told not to point my muzzle at the sky. I was shooting standing and thats how I position my stock into my shloulder. Granted it was not ti the sky but my finger was off the trigger well and my muzzle was aimed at the mountain.
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Seriously. Wtf is with this guy and his hatred of all things related to this hobby.
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That we are being watched. Apparently, an RSO said that Mr. knudsen was at the range taking pictures of shooters pointing their firearms at the sky. I was shooting my 22 lr and was told not to point my muzzle at the sky. I was shooting standing and thats how I position my stock into my shloulder. Granted it was not ti the sky but my finger was off the trigger well and my muzzle was aimed at the mountain.
yup
at the meeting he claimed to have a picture of "an experienced shooter" holding his gun at "high ready" with his finger on the trigger
when someone suggested it might be someone inexperienced, he said it wasn't because of his dress and gear
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yup
at the meeting he claimed to have a picture of "an experienced shooter" holding his gun at "high ready" with his finger on the trigger
when someone suggested it might be someone inexperienced, he said it wasn't because of his dress and gear
anyone can be a range Ninja.... He should show up when HPD/Sherrifs dept uses the range....
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Good lawd.. what a f**ken asshole! If you see him there, start taking pictures of him! Post em up on the net!
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He's just crying out "I didn't have friends growing up!!" :'(
"So I need to make someone suffer so I feel better about myself...." :(
Just a theory.... :-\
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I take offense to this whole deal since the investigation is still pending and we are being blatantly targeted by those who don't want the range there due to their own misdirected, personal bias (i.e. cat giggolo Knudsen). I think we are at the losing end as I see it - being devil's advocate. Kokohead area is being used by others such as the hikers and paragliders. Yes, there was a paraglider above the range today. If the range is soooo dangerous why hike and paraglide to the side and in front of a live range? All we need is one idiot who pops up in front of the range and gets hurt - then the range most likely will be shut down as a result of some person illegally using the trail or doing some kind of airborne antic above a live range.
Another issue to look out for is that company seeking a permit to operate a zip line from the top of Kokohead along the illegal trail. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but one can only imagine what that might mean for the range.
We need a concentrated show of force behind the existence of the range.
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Too bad we can't get the RSOs to announce on the Pa system when he is there, in what stall and what he's wearing. He will be the main attraction there. Kinda like how the lifeguards at sandy beach use their bull horn to call people out of the water. "You with the tourist Aloha shirt, please no pictures. Everyone this is the famous cat knudson.". Lol.
If I ever run into him at the range I will take pictures or video of him and post it here.
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It gets even worse
He claims a round "whizzed past him" one time when he was hiking the trail
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Heres a pic from google
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Heres a pic from google
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000780055881/8f7b9872edfb8906d70effea5f495d25.jpeg)
(http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu286/TheWatchmen/BAN_HIM.jpg)
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Heres a pic from google
yup, I think my pops picked on him in school.....
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yup, I think my pops picked on him in school.....
I bet your pops wasn't the only one.
I wonder if he knows where that cat's tongue has been?
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He didnt say one word when Ed Masaki called him a liar in front of his face and everyone at the Kokohead District Park meeting in Jul 2012. We need more of those "in your face' moments. I guess Mr. Knudsen is only comfortable in getting face time with another pussy.
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Recommend you don't approach him personally at the range. He'll possibly try to bait you into something physical.
Jes' my opinion.
Announcing he's at the range and taking pictures is a good idea, though. I think.
Jes' my guess.
Terry
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Someone should make a t-shirt "Knudsen's Magic Bullets" for as many people as possible to wear when he comes to take pictures. It would be kind of funny when he goes to present them as evidence.
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Defying The Laws Of Physics Since 2012
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Unstoppable At Any Range
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Conveniently Find Them At a Location Near You
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Improve Your Accuracy With Our Repositioning Technology
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I like the T-shirt idea.
How about a picture of Knudsen, Miley Cyrus, and Miley's kitty, with the slogan:
If you can't lick 'em ... you aren't trying hard enough!
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You could ask him if he has a filming permit.
http://filmoffice.hawaii.gov/film-permitting/ (http://filmoffice.hawaii.gov/film-permitting/)
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I take offense to this whole deal since the investigation is still pending and we are being blatantly targeted by those who don't want the range there due to their own misdirected, personal bias (i.e. cat giggolo Knudsen). I think we are at the losing end as I see it - being devil's advocate. Kokohead area is being used by others such as the hikers and paragliders. Yes, there was a paraglider above the range today. If the range is soooo dangerous why hike and paraglide to the side and in front of a live range? All we need is one idiot who pops up in front of the range and gets hurt - then the range most likely will be shut down as a result of some person illegally using the trail or doing some kind of airborne antic above a live range.
Another issue to look out for is that company seeking a permit to operate a zip line from the top of Kokohead along the illegal trail. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but one can only imagine what that might mean for the range.
We need a concentrated show of force behind the existence of the range.
Warning Sign ?
What warning sign?
Look ! I can see the firing range from here !
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You could ask him if he has a filming permit.
http://filmoffice.hawaii.gov/film-permitting/ (http://filmoffice.hawaii.gov/film-permitting/)
Nice :thumbsup:
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You could ask him if he has a filming permit.
http://filmoffice.hawaii.gov/film-permitting/ (http://filmoffice.hawaii.gov/film-permitting/)
That sounds kinda BS. You have a 1st Amendment right to film anything at any public place. Requiring a permit infringes on another right.
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Greg Knudsen is a former spokesman for the Hawaii Department of Education. He was notoriously lazy and unresponsive but clung to the job because his wife was the chairwoman of the Board of Education. He was in Chuuk, Micronesia, for the Peace Corps in the mid-1970s. He is a Common Cause member. He likes photographing flowers and animals: http://www.pixoto.com/gregknudsen (http://www.pixoto.com/gregknudsen) He ran for the state house in 2000 and lost. Loathes the mlitary unless it's politically expedient. Typical '60s idealist who settled in Hawaii and knows deep down inside that he is a smarter, better human being than you and me. He's baffled that people disagree with him.
Will take your photo without telling you because he knows he's within the law and doesn't have to be courteous with gun-toting untermenchen. But he will cry to the cops and lawyers if you confront him. So don't.
The city's Neighborhood Boards don't have decision-making power, but do have the ability to bring attention to issues and they are funded by the city and county of Honolulu, with our taxes. The boards generally draw little public participation, but can be a springboard for the politically ambitious. In elections earlier this year, Knudsen was re-elected to the Hawaii Kai board, with 1,443 votes, more than any other candidate for an at-large seat. His term is two years long. Hawaii Kai can do better in 2015.
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I can see this guy has an agenda and probably will run for office later or sooner
he has some bullshit accolades like peacecorps and being a prez of the neighborhood board
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Someone should make a t-shirt "Knudsen's Magic Bullets" for as many people as possible to wear when he comes to take pictures. It would be kind of funny when he goes to present them as evidence.
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Defying The Laws Of Physics Since 2012
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Unstoppable At Any Range
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Conveniently Find Them At a Location Near You
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Improve Your Accuracy With Our Repositioning Technology
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I would buy one of each! Almost as good an idea as the 2014 X-Ring girl calendar.
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Quite a few people have said that Knudsen doesnt want to shutter the range but isnt this how things start?
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If Knudnuts takes your picture and doesn't obtain a signed release from you, he may wind up violating publicity laws (not the same as privacy laws). Basically, he can not use your likeness to promote a product, service, or idea without your permission, even if the photo is taken in public.
For instance, if your photo is shown in an ad or presentation for stricter gun laws or range rules, you are now associated with the idea he is promoting. Just like a Republican's picture taken in a public park can not then be used in a Democrat ad without permission. You are not required to have your image be used to further another's cause without consent. If you are not doing anything illegal or newsworthy, you have a say in how your likeness gets used.
So, if anyone's faces are made public to support his quest to close or restrict range activities, you may have cause for damages.
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Why not post his photos all over the advertisement boards at the range with the words "Anti-2a asshole"?
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Someone should make a t-shirt "Knudsen's Magic Bullets" for as many people as possible to wear when he comes to take pictures. It would be kind of funny when he goes to present them as evidence.
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Defying The Laws Of Physics Since 2012
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Unstoppable At Any Range
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Conveniently Find Them At a Location Near You
Knudsens Magic Bullets:
Improve Your Accuracy With Our Repositioning Technology
OOOH, OOOH, I GOT ONE!!
"If you like your range, you can keep your range. Period."
-Greg Knudesen
;D
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^^^This.
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Knudesen said at the Board Meeting that it would only take a rifle raised around 20 degrees to clear Koko Crater. Do the math, it would take over 50 degrees elevation to clear the crater. Plus if you add ballistics to this it gets even higher!
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Knudesen said at the Board Meeting that it would only take a rifle raised around 20 degrees to clear Koko Crater. Do the math, it would take over 50 degrees elevation to clear the crater. Plus if you add ballistics to this it gets even higher!
According to this article Knudsen stated that in favor of keeping the trail open, Knudsen responded: "The only way someone on the trail is endangered is if someone intentionally aimed a firearm at people on the trail. They are under very strict safety provisions at the range."
But he reverses his stance in his next sentence.
"If there's danger, it raises serious questions about having a firing range in a residential area. Those bullets that supposedly reach the trail could be continuing onward to residences. Maybe it's time to ask about relocation of the firing range," said Knudsen.
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/16/news/story06.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/16/news/story06.html)
So based on his statements, I can see that Knucklehead Knudsen doesn't want the range in HK. So despite what he tells people that "WE" can have our range he really wants it shuttered at Kokohead.
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Did anyone check to see what the date and time he claimed the bullet came in his window? I wonder if it was during shooting hours at the range. Just might want to look into that to make sure he is at least claiming that this happened while the range was actually hot.
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It was around 9:30 in the morning on a sat or sunday according to the khon2 news report.
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It was around 9:30 in the morning on a sat or sunday according to the khon2 news report.
from the hawaii rifleman
nov 2013
article by dr max cooper
sunday october 27, 2013
subsequently examined by khsc staff
"the bullet was .30 caliber and appeared scuffed"
"there are 2 other separate .30 caliber recovery incidents from the area"
"fallen hanging metal targets propped at an angle are implicated"
my additional comment
.30 caliber can be .308. 30-30. or any of the 7.62 rounds, so determining what type of gun it was fired from would be difficult
from other reports, the time was 9:30 am
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Knudesen said at the Board Meeting that it would only take a rifle raised around 20 degrees to clear Koko Crater. Do the math, it would take over 50 degrees elevation to clear the crater. Plus if you add ballistics to this it gets even higher!
I apologize if this has been covered already, I am not as politically active as I would like to be on 2a matters.
Yes, Knudsen is anti-gun, maybe he wants to see the range shut down. I think that getting upset at the guy is a waste of time. Since he has some political clout (HK Board), why don't we try to propose improvements at the range that would satisfy his concerns? Maybe we could even get him partially on our side if improvements in range design are made. I've attached two pictures of shooting ranges on the mainland where there are safety measures to prevent a projectile from leaving the range at an unwanted angle.
One is to put up horizontal wood barricades down range towards the targets that keep bullets at an OK angle. Second is to place each shooter at the opening of a large "Cylinder" which again restricts departure angle.
I know that getting any money put into the range is a long-shot, but maybe right now is a good opportunity. We may have a couple factors in our favor such as a supportive mayor, and a neighborhood board that wants to address recent safety concerns.
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^^^Nice post 808shooter
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Dont forget his Cat Love videos!
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Knudsen doesn't want improvements; he wants the range shutdown permanently.
You have to understand that he is one of those idiots that thinks he can solve the worlds problems with carebear stares and eskimo kisses, and associates gun ownership with violence.
no, he stated repeatedly that he does not want the range shut down
politicians always tell the truth, right?
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I apologize if this has been covered already, I am not as politically active as I would like to be on 2a matters.
Yes, Knudsen is anti-gun, maybe he wants to see the range shut down. I think that getting upset at the guy is a waste of time. Since he has some political clout (HK Board), why don't we try to propose improvements at the range that would satisfy his concerns? Maybe we could even get him partially on our side if improvements in range design are made.
I know that getting any money put into the range is a long-shot, but maybe right now is a good opportunity. We may have a couple factors in our favor such as a supportive mayor, and a neighborhood board that wants to address recent safety concerns.
:shaka:
I'd agree in an ideal world, but this isn't one so I defer to NOT trusting what Knudsen says despite his inch of perceived political clout. Imagine if he made it to mayor?! Neighborhood boards are, I think, relatively easy to get as most of us are too busy to bother with additional responsibilities. I'm the defacto president of our association board because everyone took a step back and I just stood there. I can only imagine the same with neighborhood boards. I don't trust what Knudsen says after being told that he was at the range taking pictures of what he feels are "offenders" or possible perpetrators or shooting over the hill. You want this kind of person - who doesn't support the military, who doesn't respect your rights, believes in same sex marriage and scoffs at the church; as a future politician? Doesn't this sound like movie of a young child with three numbers on the back of his head?
He is trying to take down our ONLY public range on the island. An island with a population of over a million and almost the same number of registered firearms. The entire shooting community should be enraged at this guy. So far there is no conclusive evidence that the rounds in question have originated from the range.
More kittens are killed when Knudsen lies.
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I don't think that you need to get the guy anywhere near your/our side. If you do those safety improvements they should be simply that safety improvements and have the target ranges increased to 300+ yards? Hell maybe even get someone who designs ranges to give the place a look-see as to what could be done. Then beat on your state legislators for money.
I apologize if this has been covered already, I am not as politically active as I would like to be on 2a matters.
Yes, Knudsen is anti-gun, maybe he wants to see the range shut down. I think that getting upset at the guy is a waste of time. Since he has some political clout (HK Board), why don't we try to propose improvements at the range that would satisfy his concerns? Maybe we could even get him partially on our side if improvements in range design are made. I've attached two pictures of shooting ranges on the mainland where there are safety measures to prevent a projectile from leaving the range at an unwanted angle
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I actually wouldn't mind the cylinders or the wood baffles, but let's be clear here: Knudsen seems to be a 60s Hippie gun hating radical.
If he were to answer honestly, he'd be in favor of no guns. Period.
Let's not kid ourselves.
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I bet your pops wasn't the only one.
I wonder if he knows where that cat's tongue has been?
:rofl:
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I don't think that you need to get the guy anywhere near your/our side. If you do those safety improvements they should be simply that safety improvements and have the target ranges increased to 300+ yards? Hell maybe even get someone who designs ranges to give the place a look-see as to what could be done. Then beat on your state legislators for money.
I don't see 300 happening, maybe 200 at most. There's a lot of design considerations along with environmental impact statements. We'd need another location for a range or go to the big island range in the future.
Oh this is an old thread. How'd you find this?
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Necro post.
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Necro post.
Hmmmm, sounds racisss. :shake:
Oh wait, never ind.
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or go to the big island range in the future.
No kidding this is old. like prehistoric.
And more than a bit irksome to think where things were going back then.
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It was around 9:30 in the morning on a sat or sunday according to the khon2 news report.
from the hawaii rifleman
nov 2013
article by dr max cooper
sunday october 27, 2013
subsequently examined by khsc staff
"the bullet was .30 caliber and appeared scuffed"
"there are 2 other separate .30 caliber recovery incidents from the area"
"fallen hanging metal targets propped at an angle are implicated"
my additional comment
.30 caliber can be .308. 30-30. or any of the 7.62 rounds, so determining what type of gun it was fired from would be difficult
from other reports, the time was 9:30 am
Yup these posts are old.....doesn't the range call a cease fire every half hour to check and set targets? So at around 9:30 he decides to throw a bullet which he might have picked up at the range through his window :wtf: .......plausable?
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Yup these posts are old.....doesn't the range call a cease fire every half hour to check and set targets? So at around 9:30 he decides to throw a bullet which he might have picked up at the range through his window :wtf: .......plausable?
I think they call cease fire normally at about 20 after the hour and again at 50 after -- give or take a couple of minutes. Somehow, 22 minutes is ringing a bell. Gives them 8-10 minutes for everyone to do what they need to and be back behind the infamous yellow line.
When the clubs are having competitions, after they finish a round, a cease fire is usually called. It felt once like a cease fire was called every 10-12 minutes on pistol side. Also, if there is just one person shooting, they rarely bother calling a cease fire. You just go down range to your target as much or little as needed. With one shooter, no need to make an announcement.
Short answer: ordinarily, but it's not carved in stone. If going with the regular schedule, 9:30 would be the commencement of shooting after the 9:20-ish cease fire.
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This thread IS old.
Brings back memories….like when FlappJackson was Darmok and Jalad @ Tanagra.
I guess Xhe now identifies as Flapp. :geekdanc: