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General Topics => Events => KHSC Cleanup Day => Topic started by: macsak on December 08, 2013, 05:25:34 PM
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the parks director and rangemaster in the am
i am volunteering to organize manpower only
i have had someone step up to volunteer to produce and distribute a flyer to all the LGS and the range
i will be asking all of you to contact all of your friends/relatives that shoot via FB, twitter, text, email, phone
and i will be asking all of you to contact whatever 2a/shooting sports organizations you are a member of to drum up support
i don't have the time to obtain donations of supplies/materials/equipment
if someone would volunteer to do that, i would be ok with that
otherwise, we would each need to provide our own tools and stuff, and we would count on the city to provide supplies/materials, etc
same goes with donations of food and drinks
i don't have the time nor to do that either
if someone would volunteer to do that, i would be ok with that
otherwise, we would all be responsible for our own food/drink, or we could have a potluck
we should also come up with a list of things we would like to have accomplished
mike has told us he needs new metal stands welded to be placed underground
we have several welders on this board who have said they would help with this
another frequent complaint is the restrooms
we could powerwash/paint and have any handy people/plumbers go over the toilets/faucets/doors
and electricians check out the wiring
what else could/should we accomplish?
weedwhacking/mowing?
painting the structure? i guess we could do the same things to the rifle range structure as we do to the bathrooms
i bet there's all kinds of junk in the store rooms on the sides that mike wouldn't mind getting hauled out
what's your vision for this day?
please let me know
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Painting and getting the bathroom done sounds like a wonderful idea.
Maybe use up all the paint and paint whatever can get covered.
Did the roof get finished? If there are unfinished sections maybe could finish the repairs
Weld and add more frame posts like at 25yrs instead of the 2 only on the right side. And maybe fix up the 200 yard ones
Maybe think of ideas to keep the frame holders lined up so people not shooting the wrong frames/targets
If there is available lumber change out shot up roofs, counters, etc
Paint parking stalls, speed bumps, arrows, handicap parking, etc etc
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When will this happen? Maybe I'll be back or can schedule something.
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Mac, post the dates as soon as you can.
I'm working alot out of town, but will try my best to be there.
I don't go to the rifle side often, but like Q said we all need to make an effort to help. It's only a matter of time before they try and shut down the action bays too. :grrr:
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Mac, post the dates as soon as you can.
I'm working alot out of town, but will try my best to be there.
I don't go to the rifle side often, but like Q said we all need to make an effort to help. It's only a matter of time before they try and shut down the action bays too. :grrr:
mahalo, lifer
i can use all the support i can get
i will post the date as soon as i know
hdf range day is on sat the 28th, so it can't be then
what is the best day for everyone?
best day for me would be sunday the 29th
next best is thursday the 27th
and then thursday the 2nd of jan
that's not counting dec 24/25 and dec 31/jan 1
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As long as it's not on a Monday, Wednesday, or Thursday, count me in!! :thumbsup:
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When will this happen? Maybe I'll be back or can schedule something.
plan is to do it while rifle range is closed
projected opening date is early 2014
lead time to get organized and availability of volunteers means sometime around the holidays
i know it sucks, but we need time to work out the details
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reward for coming to the cleanup-
meet Q
:o
- painting
- weed wacking/mowing
- brass/shell clean up
That's basically off the top of my head. I like the idea of cleaning out the storage containers, because who knows what treasures we might find in there.
Stomper also suggested coordinating with the airline companies and see if they are willing to give away their gutted seating for free. I'm tired of seeing those shitty ass couches, and I know it adds to the 'we need renovations desperately' appeal of the range.
Personally, I think the biggest thing is this: if you are member of a 2a organization, or shoot at the range on even a weekly/monthly basis, you should be here; especially with regards to the HDF members. If 2a is something you are serious about, and you honestly want to make an effort to defend 2a rights, there should be no reason that you can't make the time to come and help with the range. People are going to complain that they need to work or something came up; guess what: cancel whatever it is and get to the range to help. There are numerous rallies and events that happen that motivate people to do the same, so I don't see why 2a supporters can't do the same. People always often wonder why these individuals are winning the fight against us, and its because they are willing to sacrifice their time to support their side of the cause. I think its time we do the same.
In closing: If the reclusive hermit known as Q is making the effort to support this, there is no reason why anyone else can't do so as well.
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Let us know the dates and times.... Would have been at the range anyway so might as well help the cause....
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- painting
- weed wacking/mowing
- brass/shell clean up
That's basically off the top of my head. I like the idea of cleaning out the storage containers, because who knows what treasures we might find in there.
Stomper also suggested coordinating with the airline companies and see if they are willing to give away their gutted seating for free. I'm tired of seeing those shitty ass couches, and I know it adds to the 'we need renovations desperately' appeal of the range.
Personally, I think the biggest thing is this: if you are member of a 2a organization, or shoot at the range on even a weekly/monthly basis, you should be here; especially with regards to the HDF members. If 2a is something you are serious about, and you honestly want to make an effort to defend 2a rights, there should be no reason that you can't make the time to come and help with the range. People are going to complain that they need to work or something came up; guess what: cancel whatever it is and get to the range to help. There are numerous rallies and events that happen that motivate people to do the same, so I don't see why 2a supporters can't do the same. People always often wonder why these individuals are winning the fight against us, and its because they are willing to sacrifice their time to support their side of the cause. I think its time we do the same.
In closing: If the reclusive hermit known as Q is making the effort to support this, there is no reason why anyone else can't do so as well.
yeah, i thought of seamstresses/upholsterers for the couches
::)
mahalo for your input and support, Q
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Painting and getting the bathroom done sounds like a wonderful idea.
Maybe use up all the paint and paint whatever can get covered.
Did the roof get finished? If there are unfinished sections maybe could finish the repairs
Weld and add more frame posts like at 25yrs instead of the 2 only on the right side. And maybe fix up the 200 yard ones
Maybe think of ideas to keep the frame holders lined up so people not shooting the wrong frames/targets
If there is available lumber change out shot up roofs, counters, etc
Paint parking stalls, speed bumps, arrows, handicap parking, etc etc
roof repairs are finished
will also be extended by city crews over the next few weeks
this is a design/safety/liability thing
we have to stay away from that
but we can do a lot with just hard work
i thought of the idea of leaf blowing the parking lot, but i didn't think of painting the curbs and lines
not sure if there are guidelines/procedures we have to follow but i can find out
guys you should've seen how relieved mike looked when the parks director said the mayor said to make it happen
we have to take this opportunity we have been asking for for years, and help out mike get what he needs done
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I know someone who may be able to donate painting supplies.Ill make that call tommorrow to see if he will
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I will be free any time from Dec 20th till Jan 3 Excluding, of course, the eve and day of CHRISTmas (in case the butthead is reading this) and new years (family first on these days)...
I have a small welder and know how to use it, also have a chop saw for metal, and minor fab skills.. These items need 110V power though, so a small generator may be necessary. (that I do not have)
I will also be very happy to do manual labor.. No problem. Dates as soon as known would be a great help.
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We need a plan of what exactly we are allowed to do, and materials that we need to accomplish the task as soon as possible. Hopefully, with all of our members, most items can be had a little or no cost.
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I hope they didn't shitcan my ar500 steel gong that was out there... :(
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I know someone who may be able to donate painting supplies.Ill make that call tommorrow to see if he will
mahalo jhana
every little bit helps
let me know what you can find
anyone else have contacts in painting/building supply?
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I will be free any time from Dec 20th till Jan 3 Excluding, of course, the eve and day of CHRISTmas (in case the butthead is reading this) and new years (family first on these days)...
I have a small welder and know how to use it, also have a chop saw for metal, and minor fab skills.. These items need 110V power though, so a small generator may be necessary. (that I do not have)
I will also be very happy to do manual labor.. No problem. Dates as soon as known would be a great help.
yeah, i think lots of the folks from the shipyard will be available between the holidays
that's why i am concentrating on those dates
i will be asking for access to power, and perhaps generators
i bet a lot of our members have those too in their preps
mahalo for your support, heavy
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We need a plan of what exactly we are allowed to do, and materials that we need to accomplish the task as soon as possible. Hopefully, with all of our members, most items can be had a little or no cost.
exactly
i need ideas
and then we need people to make it happen
let's work on the date and the plan
i just need to know what our resources/capabilities are
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We need a plan of what exactly we are allowed to do, and materials that we need to accomplish the task as soon as possible. Hopefully, with all of our members, most items can be had a little or no cost.
hopefully, your gong is in storage
we are going to volunteer to help mike clean out his storage area
(and maybe his office) >:D
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Heavies - I have small gen, will travel :D EU2000 so don't know if it will power your welder but will bring it. Have little p/u truck to help carry stuff too and at the ready to provide labor, weed whack, haul garbage out, whatever needs to be done.
Let's do this!
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exactly
i need ideas
and then we need people to make it happen
let's work on the date and the plan
i just need to know what our resources/capabilities are
Okay, so Mike said he needs metal target stands welded and installed. We have a volunteer or two already.
Volunteers to paint would be nice as well. It would be nice to make the range look somewhat new instead of run down.
Think we can find some fertilizer for any brown areas downrange? I thought the grass looked BEAUTIFUL the day the Mayor spoke, instead of the ugly dry brown I was used to seeing!
As for the rest of the brush, I think we should make that low priority as it grows back fast anyway. Daniel and other HRA volunteers knock down brush between the rifle/silhouette side and the action bays to help with parking during the Shooting Sports Fair, and it seems that in just a week or two, it's all back up again.
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The dates are important, I got a few vacation days I can use but I'll need to give notice, weekends aren't a problem.
I'm pretty sure I can get an airless spray rig for painting and a gas pressure washer. If we can come up with a material list, maybe plumbing valves and fixtures and electrical supplies. I'll check on gennys.
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The dates are important, I got a few vacation days I can use but I'll need to give notice, weekends aren't a problem.
I'm pretty sure I can get an airless spray rig for painting and a gas pressure washer. If we can come up with a material list, maybe plumbing valves and fixtures and electrical supplies. I'll check on gennys.
awesome, edster
you are da man
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Heavies - I have small gen, will travel :D EU2000 so don't know if it will power your welder but will bring it. Have little p/u truck to help carry stuff too and at the ready to provide labor, weed whack, haul garbage out, whatever needs to be done.
Let's do this!
much mahalos, '78
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Okay, so Mike said he needs metal target stands welded and installed. We have a volunteer or two already.
Volunteers to paint would be nice as well. It would be nice to make the range look somewhat new instead of run down.
Think we can find some fertilizer for any brown areas downrange? I thought the grass looked BEAUTIFUL the day the Mayor spoke, instead of the ugly dry brown I was used to seeing!
As for the rest of the brush, I think we should make that low priority as it grows back fast anyway. Daniel and other HRA volunteers knock down brush between the rifle/silhouette side and the action bays to help with parking during the Shooting Sports Fair, and it seems that in just a week or two, it's all back up again.
ok, thanks for the input about the brush
we could pick up litter, though
down range is going to be the part where they are adding the dirt to the berm
we need to look at areas where the city cannot take care of at this time
i am going to ask the mayor at the town hall if he is committed to improving and maintaining the range and perhaps easing the burden by making range space available across the island
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Hi macsak,
Since there is a lot to do, how about breaking the tasks up on multiple days?
For each day, assign one or two main points of contact and identify what is the task needed done on that day.
Barring any personal or work conflicts, I would be willing to come out for each day there is work to do at the range.
I'll ask a couple friends in the airlines tomorrow to see of they have any seats they don't use anymore and would like to give away to a good cause.
Too bad we don't have an organization like a "Friends of the Koko Head Shooting Range" or something. Perhaps, we should plan to form one up.
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Jl808 - like a gofundme.com campaign?
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Like a "Friends of Malae Kahana" or some formal community based organization that has non-profit standing whose main purpose is the upkeep and development of the range.
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Take a look at something called a "community development corp".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_development_corporation
Tomorrow, I will ask an expert on CDCs to see I this is something appropriate for the KHSC.
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Hi macsak,
Since there is a lot to do, how about breaking the tasks up on multiple days?
For each day, assign one or two main points of contact and identify what is the task needed done on that day.
Barring any personal or work conflicts, I would be willing to come out for each day there is work to do at the range.
I'll ask a couple friends in the airlines tomorrow to see of they have any seats they don't use anymore and would like to give away to a good cause.
Too bad we don't have an organization like a "Friends of the Koko Head Shooting Range" or something. Perhaps, we should plan to form one up.
great suggestion, jl
what day are you volunteering to organize?
::)
i will keep that concept in mind, maybe thursday the 26th and sunday the 29th?
it would be nice to do it on a monday, like the 30th
because the pistol range would be closed and we could go downrange on the rifle side and work on the pistol side
too bad that tuesday the 24th and 31st would be out due to the eves
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I'll volunteer for something... Assign me up for anything. I'll even clean the bathroom if needed.
Perhaps you should be the main point of contact to coordinate the tasks / dates to make things easier.
Just thinking out loud...
First, compile a list of task so people can sign up depending on interest or expertise.
After that, identify key people that can do those tasks and work out the dates / times that will work for them.
Finally, post the tasks and finalized dates / times so he rest of the volunteers know when to show up.
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I'll volunteer for something... Assign me up for anything. I'll even clean the bathroom if needed.
Perhaps you should be the main point of contact to coordinate the tasks / dates to make things easier.
Just thinking out loud...
First, compile a list of task so people can sign up depending on interest or expertise.
After that, identify key people that can do those tasks and work out the dates / times that will work for them.
Finally, post the tasks and finalized dates / times so he rest of the volunteers know when to show up.
thanks for the input, jl
currently writing the first draft of the letter
i will post it before bedtime for comment
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I will Donate 15 cases of Bottled Water and Labor.
Need to find something my kids can do?
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I will Donate 15 cases of Bottled Water and Labor.
Need to find something my kids can do?
wow
nice
kids can sweep, pick up litter, paint curbs, chase chickens/cats, look cute
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I may or may not be able to get out there depending on date but hats off to everyone that does, and for mac for all the updates going on over the past week. If the first person falls though I can design flyers and send someone the files to get it printed up and handed out.
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:wave: I'm on board and ready to volunteer my service. Let me know how I can help.
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I may or may not be able to get out there depending on date but hats off to everyone that does, and for mac for all the updates going on over the past week. If the first person falls though I can design flyers and send someone the files to get it printed up and handed out.
mahalo wcm
i may put you in touch with the other publicity guy
more people = less work
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:wave: I'm on board and ready to volunteer my service. Let me know how I can help.
help?
if i'm in charge, you're in charge
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please make comments
aloha ms robinson and mr muramoto
my name is steve kumasaka, and i am the guy wearing khaki that asked if the gun community could volunteer to help clean up the range
since the mayor said to make it happen, i think we should try
please excuse my lack of punctuation and capitalization, but that's how i write and think clearly
i am member of, but do not represent, www.2aHawaii.com (http://www.2aHawaii.com) (an online forum in support of the second amendment) and the hawaii defense foundation (www.thehdf.org (http://www.thehdf.org))
i have the support of the over 2000 members of 2aHI, and nearly 1000 members of HDF (although the memberships likely overlap a lot)
i will also be enlisting the aid of other gun clubs/groups/organizations via email, social media, etc
we also plan to post notices at the range and local gun shops
i plan to make this a community effort, with not one group or another taking charge or credit, but all of us as citizens chipping in to make khsc better
what we need to decide first is what needs to be done and when it can happen
i know we talked about sometime during the holidays, since the rifle range will be closed until at least the end of the year
this will also allow us more lead time for organization and planning
the period between christmas and new year's is downtime for some industries, most notably the shipyard (we have welder members that work at the shipyard)
we have other members that will be available during this period too
some members have said that, given lead time, that they would get time off to help out
dec 24/25 and dec 31/jan 1 are obviously out for family purposes
the HDF has action bay 1 reserved dec 28th, so that wouldn't be good since our core volunteers are involved in the range days
my best days are sunday december 29th and thursday december 26th
but another great day would be monday december 30, since the pistol range would be closed and we could go downrange
i started a discussion thread a few hours ago to get the conversation started
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0)
i know mr muramoto wanted stands welded
we got the commitment of one guy standing next to him on saturday, and i have the commitment of several more
one of the main concerns of the 2aHI crew are the bathrooms
we would like to try and powerwash and paint and then check the doors, locks, electrical, and plumbing
the same would go for the rifle and pistol range buildings, along with any cleanup of offices and storage rooms that mr muramoto wants done
another suggestion was refurbishment/replacement of the benches that we sit on while waiting to shoot
we would also like to pick up litter, do general yard maintenance and perhaps paint lines, curbs, etc in the parking lot
i need to say that i am willing to coordinate manpower ONLY
i have someone that has said they will help me with spreading the word
i personally do not have the time to obtain donations of supplies/materials/equipment
my volunteers can provide some of this and we are trying to coordinate donations individually, but we would need to have the supplies/materials/equipment mainly provided by the city
in addition, we would need use of electricity (generators?) and water, plus a place to get rid of the rubbish
but if we can get paint and brushes, i think we can get a lot painted
we would also like to know what the range staff and parks department would like to get done
the only way that this will happen successfully is if we work together
we look forward to your responses
i know you have a lot going on with the range repairs, but your prompt attention would be appreciated
aloha
steve
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Question: Are we allowed to be at the range on days/times when they are normally closed (Mon/Tue all day and Wed-Fri mornings)? If so, seems like that would be the safest and least complicated times to get things done.
Someone would probably need to coordinate with the range and parks management, I imagine, to make sure it's allowed. They may have to have C&C employees there to supervise/monitor activities.
Just wondering if this is an issue or even possible before dates are finalized.
:shaka:
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What ever needs to be done I dont give a fuck I can help.
"Left Wing or Right Wing does not matter both wings belong to the same bird"
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Question: Are we allowed to be at the range on days/times when they are normally closed (Mon/Tue all day and Wed-Fri mornings)? If so, seems like that would be the safest and least complicated times to get things done.
Someone would probably need to coordinate with the range and parks management, I imagine, to make sure it's allowed. They may have to have C&C employees there to supervise/monitor activities.
Just wondering if this is an issue or even possible before dates are finalized.
:shaka:
yes, we are working with the rangemaster and the parks director by authorization from the mayor
read the letter in the previous post
i will send this in the am and will await their response
mahalo for your input
i appreciate all the help i can get
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What ever needs to be done I dont give a fuck I can help.
"Left Wing or Right Wing does not matter both wings belong to the same bird"
mahalo playa
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I'm thinking we should offer the option to make donations to assist with the completion of the range.
Knudnuts was already whining to the mayor about costs, so I wonder if Caldwell will allow us to donate not only our manpower, but our dollars as well to the completion of the range.
Someone suggested we could start a fundme or kickstarter to get the donations rolling. We could also have people go door to door sporting HDF / 2a shirts and asking for small contributions. if every member of HRA / LIFE / HDF / 2a would be able to contribute even just $10-20, it would reduce the city budget exponentially, and possibly motivate the city to further along the construction a faster rate.
nope
any donations would go to the general fund, not to the range
jl is going to look into other ways to help
let's work on one thing at a time
we are all going to be donating our time, expertise, and materials/equipment/food/water for this project
we have to focus
thanks for the reminder about tshirts
i'll ask chris about that
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Speaking of T-Shirts, this is a great chance to bring a bunch to the range and make them available to the volunteers. Would look great on camera if everyone had shirts on for all the 2A-related support groups.
Notice I didn't say "sell".
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Speaking of T-Shirts, this is a great chance to bring a bunch to the range and make them available to the volunteers. Would look great on camera if everyone had shirts on for all the 2A-related support groups.
Notice I didn't say "sell".
i just sent a note to chris about that after q mentioned it
also checking if the HDF store is still active
darmok- can we count on you to help?
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Maybe I could rock a 2a sweat band while I utilize my black man-kini to trim the range foliage.
man, that is NOT the image i need in my head right before i go to sleep
:grrr:
and perhaps you could've chosen better words than "trim foliage" when referring to wearing your sling
:)
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I'm in for helping with anything if it's on Sunday, 12/29. Thanks again macsak for initiating the effort!
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I'm in for helping with anything if it's on Sunday, 12/29. Thanks again macsak for initiating the effort!
mahalo k-man
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If you want a more vivid picture in your mind, know that this will be playing on repeat while trimming the hedges; complete with in-sync hip thrusts and van damme splits.
Ah yes, don't forget to picture the knee high socks with my militia boots.
:geekdanc:
i really can't sleep now that i puked a couple of times
https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/undecided.gif
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i really can't sleep now that i puked a couple of times
https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/undecided.gif (https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/undecided.gif)
since i can't sleep, i edited the letter a bit
PLEASE give feedback
my name is steve kumasaka, and i am the guy wearing khaki that asked if the gun community could volunteer to help clean up the range
since the mayor said to make it happen, i think we should try and make it happen
please excuse my lack of punctuation and capitalization, but that's how i write and think clearly
i am member of, but do not represent, www.2aHawaii.com (http://www.2aHawaii.com) (an online forum in support of the second amendment) and the hawaii defense foundation (www.thehdf.org (http://www.thehdf.org))
i have the support of the over 2000 members of 2aHI, and nearly 1000 members of HDF (although the memberships likely overlap a lot)
i will also be enlisting the aid of other shooting sports clubs/groups/organizations via email, social media, etc
we also plan to post notices at the range and local gun/archery shops
i plan to make this a community effort, with not one group or another taking charge or credit, but all of us as citizens chipping in to make khsc better
what we need to decide first is what needs to be done and when it can happen
i know we talked about sometime during the holidays, since the rifle range will be closed until at least the end of the year
this will also allow us more lead time for organization and planning
the period between christmas and new year's is downtime for some industries, most notably the shipyard (we have welder members that work at the shipyard)
we have other members that will be available during this period too
some members have said that, given lead time, that they would get time off to help out
dec 24/25 and dec 31/jan 1 are obviously out for family purposes
the HDF has action bay 1 reserved dec 28th, so that wouldn't be good since our core volunteers are involved in the range days
my best days are sunday december 29th and thursday december 26th
but another great day would be monday december 30, since the pistol range would be closed and we could go downrange
i started a discussion thread a few hours ago to get the conversation started
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0)
i know mr muramoto wanted stands welded
we got the commitment of one guy standing next to him on saturday, and i have the commitment of several more
the 2aHI gang would like it if there were more 25 yard target holes instead of just the 2 on the right, perhaps we could help with the installation of those too
one of the main concerns of the 2aHI crew are the bathrooms
we would like to try and powerwash and paint and then check the doors, locks, electrical, and plumbing
the same would go for the rifle and pistol range buildings, along with any cleanup of offices and storage rooms that mr muramoto wants done
another suggestion was refurbishment/replacement of the benches that we sit on while waiting to shoot
we would also like to pick up litter, do general yard maintenance and perhaps paint lines, curbs, speed bumps, arrows, handicap parking, etc in the parking lot
i need to say that i am willing to coordinate manpower ONLY
i have someone that has said they will help me with spreading the word
i personally do not have the time to obtain donations of supplies/materials/equipment
my volunteers can provide some supplies/materials/equipment and we are trying to coordinate donations individually, but we would need to have the supplies/materials/equipment mainly provided by the city
in addition, we would need use of electricity (generators?) and water, plus a place to get rid of the rubbish
but if we can get paint and brushes, i think we can get a lot painted
we would also like to know what the range staff and parks department would like to get done
the only way that this will happen successfully is if we work together
we look forward to your responses
i know you have a lot going on with the range repairs, but your prompt attention would be appreciated
aloha
steve
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Count me in on this. Depending on the date I can supply labor (I'm pretty tied up during Sony open as my business has a contract with them during that time) or as long as it's not the date by wife gives birth. If I can't make it I will donate whatever I can to the cause (supplies, drinks, etc.).
Thanks Macsac for coordinating.
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i just sent a note to chris about that after q mentioned it
also checking if the HDF store is still active
darmok- can we count on you to help?
I think I just need to update the quantities of shirts and take down the target stands (Unless we have a volunteer that want's to make themselves available to store some stands at their home and set it out for pick up when a person purchases). I have tomorrow and the next day off - will work on that.
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I think I just need to update the quantities of shirts and take down the target stands (Unless we have a volunteer that want's to make themselves available to store some stands at their home and set it out for pick up when a person purchases). I have tomorrow and the next day off - will work on that.
mahalo chris
let me know on the other stuff asap
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Count me in on this. Depending on the date I can supply labor (I'm pretty tied up during Sony open as my business has a contract with them during that time) or as long as it's not the date by wife gives birth. If I can't make it I will donate whatever I can to the cause (supplies, drinks, etc.).
Thanks Macsac for coordinating.
mahalo jdela
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Great job guys. Glad to see everyone stepping up and willing to help out. With the approval sounds like we will have a world class shooting range soon.
Mac the second version looks better with more details about specifics.
Let me know if there is anything I can help with from here.
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As long as the dates land on days I'm off, or can get off, from work/family I'll definitely be there to help out!!
I don't have any one expertise but I'm a fast learner and have a construction background. So, if you tell/show me what to do I can volunteer my man power. :thumbsup:
On a side note I really think this is a great idea and am stoked to see everyone rallying and volunteering for the cause, if done right this could REALLY make an impact at KHSC!!
Also, big mahalo to MacSak for putting in the time and extra effort to get this thing off the ground!! :shaka:
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Im down for some bush clearing, I got around 4 extra machetes to lend. We should just do a controlled fire and scorch the earth >:D
Also in for power washing. I have a foaming attachment that should help a lot. You just add degreaser, sanitizer or whatever and it blankets the surface in foam that helps break down crud with less scrubbing. I have a small portable industrial electric washer I can bring but we would also need at least one other larger gas powered unit for the bulk of the cleaning. Mine only outputs 1.5gpm for car detailing.
Painting should be straightforward. I can bring one of those wagner guns to speed up larger areas.i hope it still works I didnt use it since I did my fence 6 years ago.
Sorry im mediocre at welding and electrical, I goofed off all 3 years of auto tech.
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As long as the dates land on days I'm off, or can get off, from work/family I'll definitely be there to help out!!
I don't have any one expertise but I'm a fast learner and have a construction background. So, if you tell/show me what to do I can volunteer my man power. :thumbsup:
On a side note I really think this is a great idea and am stoked to see everyone rallying and volunteering for the cause, if done right this could REALLY make an impact at KHSC!!
Also, big mahalo to MacSak for putting in the time and extra effort to get this thing off the ground!! :shaka:
i want to do this just so i can meet the famous pizzo
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Im down for some bush clearing, I got around 4 extra machetes to lend. We should just do a controlled fire and scorch the earth >:D
Also in for power washing. I have a foaming attachment that should help a lot. You just add degreaser, sanitizer or whatever and it blankets the surface in foam that helps break down crud with less scrubbing. I have a small portable industrial electric washer I can bring but we would also need at least one other larger gas powered unit for the bulk of the cleaning. Mine only outputs 1.5gpm for car detailing.
Painting should be straightforward. I can bring one of those wagner guns to speed up larger areas.i hope it still works I didnt use it since I did my fence 6 years ago.
Sorry im mediocre at welding and electrical, I goofed off all 3 years of auto tech.
wow, thanks a lot jaynick!
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wow, thanks a lot jaynick!
sent this at 7:45 am
my name is steve kumasaka, and i am the guy wearing all khaki that asked if the shooting sports community could volunteer to help clean up the range
since the mayor said to make it happen, i think we should try and make it happen
please excuse my lack of punctuation and capitalization, but that's how i write and think clearly and quickly
i am member of, but do not represent, www.2aHawaii.com (http://www.2aHawaii.com) (an online forum in support of the second amendment) and the hawaii defense foundation (www.thehdf.org (http://www.thehdf.org))
i have the support of the over 2000 members of 2aHI, and nearly 1000 members of HDF (although the memberships likely overlap a lot)
we will also be enlisting the aid of other shooting sports clubs/groups/organizations via email, social media, etc
we also plan to post notices at the range and local gun/archery shops
we plan to make this a community effort, with not one group or another taking charge or credit, but all of us as citizens chipping in to make khsc better
what we need to decide first is what needs to be done and when it can happen
i know we talked about sometime during the holidays, since the rifle range will be closed until at least the end of the year
this will also allow us more lead time for organization and planning
the period between christmas and new year's is downtime for some industries, most notably the shipyard (we have welder members that work at the shipyard)
we have other members that will be available during this period too
some members have said that, given lead time, that they would get time off to help out
dec 24/25 and dec 31/jan 1 are obviously out for family purposes
the HDF has action bay 1 reserved dec 28th, so that wouldn't be good since our core volunteers are involved in the range days
my best days are sunday december 29th and thursday december 26th
but another great day would be monday december 30, since the pistol range would be closed and we could go downrange
i started a discussion thread a last night to get the conversation started
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0)
i know mr muramoto wanted stands welded
we got the commitment of one guy standing next to him on saturday, and i have the commitment of several more
the 2aHI gang would like it if there were more 25 yard target holes instead of just the 2 on the right, perhaps we could help with the installation of those too
one of the main concerns of the 2aHI crew are the bathrooms
we would like to try and powerwash and paint and then check the doors, locks, electrical, and plumbing
the same would go for the rifle and pistol range buildings, along with any cleanup of offices and storage rooms that mr muramoto wants done
another suggestion was refurbishment/replacement of the benches that we sit on while waiting to shoot
we would also like to pick up litter, do general yard maintenance and perhaps paint lines, curbs, speed bumps, arrows, handicap parking, etc in the parking lot
i need to say that i am willing to coordinate manpower ONLY
i have someone that has said they will help me with spreading the word
i personally do not have the time to obtain donations of supplies/materials/equipment
my volunteers can provide some supplies/materials/equipment and we are trying to coordinate donations individually, but we would need to have the supplies/materials/equipment mainly provided by the city
in addition, we would need use of electricity (generators?) and water, plus a place to get rid of the rubbish
but if we can get paint and brushes, i think we can get a lot painted
we would also like to know what the range staff and parks department would like to get done at this time
the only way that this will happen successfully is if we work together
we look forward to your responses
i know you have a lot going on with the range repairs, but your prompt attention would be appreciated
mahalo for all you do
aloha
steve
in summary:
i have a group of people who want to help improve the range with clean up day
the best date for a lot of us would be sunday, dec 29
alternate dates would be thursday, dec 26
or monday dec 30 (but i am not available that day- i could find people to delegate, but it's not ideal)
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depends on the day
but I'd like to lend a hand.
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depends on the day
but I'd like to lend a hand.
awesome, zilla
i hope the rest of the 'stangers can help out too
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awesome, zilla
i hope the rest of the 'stangers can help out too
I can post something on our website too.
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You the man Steve! Thanks for being the voice of the 2aHawaii community
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I would like to help out if possible. I should be free the entire week of 21-29 Dec.
Although I can't weld, I can vouch for additions of target stands at 25 yards for all benches. Would be nice for zeroing in rifles the right way. :shaka:
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You the man Steve! Thanks for being the voice of the 2aHawaii community
i am not the voice
i am the man behind the scenes
consider me the wizard of oz
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I would like to help out if possible. I should be free the entire week of 21-29 Dec.
Although I can't weld, I can vouch for additions of target stands at 25 yards for all benches. Would be nice for zeroing in rifles the right way. :shaka:
awesome, m14
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You forgot the part,about the mankini and getting rick rolled.
then we would get too many volunteers and we would run out of things to do
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Hey mac what about the frame holders at 200 yards? Could we fix those and use them. Maybe even make for every bench so we would have 25 yards, 50 yards, 100 yards and 200 yards for frames.
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Hey mac what about the frame holders at 200 yards? Could we fix those and use them. Maybe even make for every bench so we would have 25 yards, 50 yards, 100 yards and 200 yards for frames.
the backstop seems pretty critical in people's minds right now
no backstop at 200 yards, therefore it is problematic
i think we have to work on things we can easily accomplish, then fight for what we want later (once they know we are serious about helping improve the range)
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Good point. Once they see the unity of the 2a community, legislatures won't even try anti gun measures. Hahahahahah.
Nah good idea. Improve first, then next years range cleanup can do more additions.
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If I could possibly get a drawing of what type of steel work done I could definitely get it done in my shop. Got a lot if pipe and some steel plates material left over. I might not have time to hit the range but could do those. Lmk
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If I could possibly get a drawing of what type of steel work done I could definitely get it done in my shop. Got a lot if pipe and some steel plates material left over. I might not have time to hit the range but could do those. Lmk
mike has a sample on the ground right in front of his office
he probably has plans too
i like your enthusiasm, but lets do this in an organized manner
we have to get an ok to do anything from the city first
then we can coordinate the welding
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I think I just need to update the quantities of shirts and take down the target stands (Unless we have a volunteer that want's to make themselves available to store some stands at their home and set it out for pick up when a person purchases). I have tomorrow and the next day off - will work on that.
chris get with me about the stands I can handle that no problems.
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You can count me in and possibly a couple of my friends as well
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You can count me in and possibly a couple of my friends as well
great, man
looking forward to seeing you again
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I'm down to help any way I can. I got a extra welder we can use as well if needed.
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I'm down to help any way I can. I got a extra welder we can use as well if needed.
mahalo pewpew
i think we gots 8 or so welding units already!
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If Mike Muramoto and the team are open to suggestions, the ultimate thing on my wish list would be the ability to setup pistol frames at 10-15 yards. Not sure if there is some reason why they would deem this unsafe, or if it won't be possible as the pistol range won't be closed, but in case they are willing to listen, that would make a HUGE difference to me and the people I go shooting with. I know too many people who get discouraged at their inability to get consistent hits at 25yds, especially when starting out.
Am guessing we may not want to get too pushy about "changes" but I'm sure we could come up with a way for this to be done safely. Maybe that means wood bases to hold the frames, smaller specifically constructed frames (no bolts?), whatever...
Would be excited to chip in and help however possible for such additional changes as well as help along with the group.
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Would it be feasible to recommend upgrades, like a divider between all pistol positions to block flying brass? Dpesn't have to be solid. A frame with some netting would work.
I wonder if that has ever been suggested? Every indoor range I have used has a large divider to keep the brass in your area. Makes sweeping your own brass easier, too.
Aloha!
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+1 to gmau's suggestion. I would love to finish up my NRA / Winchester pistol certification requirements by having the ability to set up 10 yard targets.
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Hmm actually, I'm mistaken... the pistol qualification says to set up targets at 15 feet (or 5 yards).
Couldn't we use something similar to the rifle range stands since the targets are so close?
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Mac,
What time is the town meeting tomorrow?
I still feel we need to somehow inquire if people donate supplies and/or monies, if the mayor will allow them to be used to buy the materials for the range. All they have to do is get an ok, designate a trustworthy individual into the position...ahemMACahem.....and have the general pool fund to buy the needed materials.
Don't see why donations made specifically for the range would have to go to the club, as HDF donations and range donations would be 2 completely different things.
If the mayor wouldn't ok direct range donations, we could create our own donation pool and use this money to buy the materials. Not sure how many people are in HDF, but we had 40+ individuals at the last range day. If every single one of these people donated just $10 to the range fund, that would be $400 we could use to buy our own supplies. You gotta remember that anything that doesn't take money from the state will always win the favor of the people, as they feel that their taxes won't be 'wasted' on something they may have no interest in.
Just a thought.
meeting is 6-8 pm
we are looking in to ways of accepting donations of cash
there is a group investigating a community development corp (think "friends of khsc")
HDF will likely be able to accept monetary donations for the cleanup, but details are still being worked out
one thing at a time, q
we're need to make this cleanup even happen first before we start planning the next step
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Am guessing we may not want to get too pushy about "changes" but I'm sure we could come up with a way for this to be done safely.
yeah
if we pull this cleanup day off, then we can start to propose changes, perhaps even making them happen ourselves
but right now we have no credibility with the city and the range
let's work on the cleanup first
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meeting is 6-8 pm
we are looking in to ways of accepting donations of cash
there is a group investigating a community development corp (think "friends of khsc")
HDF will likely be able to accept monetary donations for the cleanup, but details are still being worked out
one thing at a time, q
we're need to make this cleanup even happen first before we start planning the next step
and my staff is already pissed off at me enough that i spent the whole weekend and yesterday working on this range cleanup day
i cannot sacrifice my practice to be constantly working on improving the range
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If Sunday Dec.29 is a go I would like to help out also if I don't get scheduled in to work that day. Kind of hard to request days off for me, im still on my 3 month probation for my 2nd job.
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If Sunday Dec.29 is a go I would like to help out also if I don't get scheduled in to work that day. Kind of hard to request days off for me, im still on my 3 month probation for my 2nd job.
thanks kook
;D
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if it's the 29th I'm definitely in, I can bring my "GUNS" to help out with the clean up :shaka:
(http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af82/jonlagon72/739c5e8d-2054-4bbf-a55c-7c9a8ce98bec_zpsee61b143.jpg) (http://s996.photobucket.com/user/jonlagon72/media/739c5e8d-2054-4bbf-a55c-7c9a8ce98bec_zpsee61b143.jpg.html)
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Heres a 2a donation.
Used once and just checked that it works.
Wagner 315E
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if it's the 29th I'm definitely in, I can bring my "GUNS" to help out with the clean up :shaka:
(http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af82/jonlagon72/739c5e8d-2054-4bbf-a55c-7c9a8ce98bec_zpsee61b143.jpg) (http://s996.photobucket.com/user/jonlagon72/media/739c5e8d-2054-4bbf-a55c-7c9a8ce98bec_zpsee61b143.jpg.html)
thanks jonjon
is your son coming too?
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Heres a 2a donation.
Used once and just checked that it works.
Wagner 315E
thanks, rock
you da man
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thanks jonjon
is your son coming too?
I dont know about the 29th but he will definitely be coming with me to the 16th GTG :thumbsup:
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I dont know about the 29th but he will definitely be coming with me to the 16th GTG :thumbsup:
tell him to stay away from uncle jeff
:o
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tell him to stay away from uncle jeff
:o
yup might need a TRO :rofl:
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Per macsak, KHSC Range cleanup day is confirmed on Dec 29 Sunday. Please schedule it in and spread the word! :shaka:
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Macsak - are you looking for RSVPs? I'll be there to lend a hand. I don't have much in the way of equipment, but can bring a cooler and water/drinks (I'm assuming beer would be a bad idea).
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Macsak - are you looking for RSVPs? I'll be there to lend a hand. I don't have much in the way of equipment, but can bring a cooler and water/drinks (I'm assuming beer would be a bad idea).
it's a public park
alcohol is illegal
but if someone chooses to bring alcohol, we cannot stop you
:o
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it's a public park
alcohol is illegal
but if someone chooses to bring alcohol, we cannot stop you
:o
Heck yeah its a bad idea! If we are trying to make a good impression on the non shooting public; someone getting arrested and fined wouldn't be too great.
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Heck yeah its a bad idea! If we are trying to make a good impression on the non shooting public; someone getting arrested and fined wouldn't be too great.
good point
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1%er clubs don't live by the rules!
Tell em about the leather jacket, Mac! :rofl:
Yeah, tell us about theLeather Jacket :o
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1%er clubs don't live by the rules!
Tell em about the leather jacket, Mac! :rofl:
sorry q
heavies is right
it looks bad
quit bringing up your lether fantasies already!
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