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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: BLKDRGN on December 31, 2013, 10:26:31 AM

Title: Joint Registration?
Post by: BLKDRGN on December 31, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
My wife and I have joint registration on all our firearms. Let's say one of us does something stupid and loses the right to own. Since it's joint will the other person still be able to keep it or will both lose the firearms? I'd hate to lose my whole collection if my wife does something which I know she will not but still. Would registering half under her and half under me be safer?
Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: Tom_G on December 31, 2013, 10:31:14 AM
My understanding is that you are pursuing the wisest course.  Should one of you lose your rights, the other already has legal possession of the guns.  If that were not the case, the "good" spouse would have to go through the process of acquiring those guns lost by the "bad" spouse.

Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: suka on December 31, 2013, 11:38:46 AM
Sounds like you need  a limited revokable trust and placing all your guns in the trust. Both you and your wife are one entity of the trust. The guns belong to trust. Both of you are controlling members.
 
It's the same style trust to aquire NFA items without a LEO signature.
Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: Funtimes on December 31, 2013, 02:49:37 PM
Sounds like you need  a limited revokable trust and placing all your guns in the trust. Both you and your wife are one entity of the trust. The guns belong to trust. Both of you are controlling members.
 
It's the same style trust to aquire NFA items without a LEO signature.

If you know someone who has that here, please let me know.  We attempted to register in a similar fashion and were refused.
Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: suka on December 31, 2013, 06:39:25 PM
A trust is an entity. You'd need a lawyer to draft one up. Preferably one knowledgable in firearms and NFA.

Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: Bigkahuna808 on December 31, 2013, 08:00:13 PM
If something happens and you can't own guns anymore.  Doesnt your release not permit you not the be on a premise or be allowed acess to firearms.   Couple people I know had to remove firearms from thier property for their spouse to be able to return to the address that the firearms are registered to.
Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra on December 31, 2013, 08:01:37 PM
A trust is an entity. You'd need a lawyer to draft one up. Preferably one knowledgable in firearms and NFA.

BTW, there is a push at the Fed level and in many states to change the laws governing trust/corporate ownership of firearms.  The gun-control advocates want any and all trustees or officers who have access to the entity-owned firearms to pass the same background checks as private firearm owners must do.

FYI.
Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: sa594 on January 01, 2014, 06:25:02 PM
Sounds like you need  a limited revokable trust and placing all your guns in the trust. Both you and your wife are one entity of the trust. The guns belong to trust. Both of you are controlling members.
 
It's the same style trust to aquire NFA items without a LEO signature.

Can you please explain placing your firearms in a trust. My understanding based on conversations with my trust attorney is that in the state of Hawaii since you need to pass a background check and also need a permit to acquire a long gun and you would need to take a handgun course and also obtain a permit to acquire a handgun, this would not be applicable since a trust would not be able to obtain any of this.  Thanks
Title: Re: Joint Registration?
Post by: suka on January 02, 2014, 02:57:19 AM
the same goes for NFA items . You'd need to pass the FBI background check and be registered under the trust . I'm sure the lawyers can figure it out for a large fee.

Btw, some NFA items are legal in Hawaii, and will require a trust or corporate , because the LEO will not sign.   ;)