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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: dirtylickins on February 03, 2014, 05:50:24 PM
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We should stop feeding the agenda of the politicians by calling our rifles "AR's". I personally dont own any of those. But what I do own a few of is "modern sporting rifles" (MSR). So please can we all refer to it as an MSR not AR's. Mine does not have a full auto feature which is the true definition of assault rifle. Thanks for all the support :shaka:
please reply when you read this thanks.
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If I were inclined to "assault" someone with a rifle, I'd use this.
MSR= me shoot rapidly
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Good point. Control the conversation by defining the terms. Those lying bastards are used to using euphemisms all the time.
However, doesn't AR stand for "Armalite"?
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Good point. Control the conversation by defining the terms. Those lying bastards are used to using euphemisms all the time.
However, doesn't AR stand for "Armalite"?
in the political sense it stands for " assault rifle" there jl none out of a 1000 would say armalite.
Kk your finger no matter how fast will never be considered an assault rifle because you would be doing it in sport. But it might get you a job at the ladies club... :love:
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JI808 you are corect in your definition of AR, but I have neither .
I have a "Personal Defense Weapon" as defined by DHS minus the "select-fire (capable of semi-automatic and automatic fire)."
http://radioviceonline.com/department-of-homeland-security-sport-rifle-ar-15-suitable-for-personal-defense/ (http://radioviceonline.com/department-of-homeland-security-sport-rifle-ar-15-suitable-for-personal-defense/)
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-7000-full-auto-assault-rifles-calls-them-personal-defense-weapons/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-7000-full-auto-assault-rifles-calls-them-personal-defense-weapons/)
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I'll just continue calling mine an "AP". A useful tool when dealing with politicians.
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:rofl:
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+1 for ak's and akm's
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Good point. Control the conversation by defining the terms. Those lying bastards are used to using euphemisms all the time.
However, doesn't AR stand for "Armalite"?
Technically, I do own one AR-15: Colt LE6940.
Since Colt holds the patent, they produce the only AR-15 designated rifles ... officially, anyway.
The rest of them are considered AR-15 clones, and many use other names, like the Noveske N4.
(http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad287/Doug_Moose/IndustryTerm_AR-15_zpsf5bcfe03.jpg) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/Doug_Moose/media/IndustryTerm_AR-15_zpsf5bcfe03.jpg.html)
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People who think AR stands for assault rifle are ignorant morons. No need to call it something else just to suit their needs. Personally I hate the term "modern sporting rifle"
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pmCqHSToVTk/UP9pqhSalBI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/I--YGhR_pMs/s1600/HelloKittyAR.gif)
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Sounds like a really good idea.. but I think its maybe too late.... maybe "Defense Rifle"?
I also agree that it sucks how we have to stick our tail between our legs just to
convince WEAK, IGNORANT, CONFUSED liberals that they SUCK! :thumbsup:
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Actually most people have no idea about the AR designation and besides "assault rifle" next most commonly think that its origins came from Armalite Rifle, which again is incorrect, but the most accepted claim especially with the advent, popularity and trademark of the AR15 designation. Very few people know the true origin. During the development of this platform it was originally a "heavy" or "battle rifle" class in a 7.62/.308 caliber weapon that was indeed a select fire variant. Since it was a "heavy" or "battle" class of rifle and not a lighter caliber fitting the "assault rifle" category there was absolutely no "Assault Rifle" meaning behind the original "AR" designation. It would have been a BR10 instead if it was referencing the class of rifle, but it was not.
Why the "AR" moniker confusion? In 1959 when Armalite / Fairchild split Colt got the AR15 moniker from Fairchild and Armalite went to George Sullivan. Colt trademarked the AR15 moniker and eventually several other terms. However Colt went on to develop a civilian semi auto only version of the M16 and designated it the AR15 since they already held that name designation. Definitely not a true reference to "Armalite Rifle" as they did not own that name and did not produce that rifle. It also did not stand for "assault rifle" as it was a semi-auto only version. Colt holds the AR15 Trademark and attempted to own the "M4" designation also, but lost that one in court as it was a military designation and quite frankly they did it too long after others were using it also. Technically I don't think Colt holds any more "patents" on the platform but they do have the AR15 name trademarked as well as several other trademarked names. They did at one point hold the contract for the Military Specification "Mil-Spec" rifle award, but now others are producing under Government contract also.
So now we understand that "AR" originally went back to Armalite pre Colt and pre Fairchild. So it must have meant "Armalite Rifle"? Well not quite. Armalite was developing an automatic rifle in the 7.62 / .308 or battle rifle category. The original automatic rifle design went through 9 different variations before the last or the 10 version was finalized. So it was simply the 10th version of the "automatic rifle" design, or "Automatic Rifle version 10" and later shortened to simply "AR10", so while it does not mean "assault rifle" the original "AR" term did reference a select fire rifle.
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American Rifle.
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I like the term Personal Defense Weapon.
Or maybe I should call it Ghost Gun. ;D
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I like the term Modern Musket better.
Or maybe I should call it Ghost Gun. ;D
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Awesome Rifle
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You know, there is validity to dirtylickin's point. Despite the fact that they're recently manufactured terms with no clear meaning, even BATFE doctrine now includes the terms "assault weapon" and "high capacity." When the government begins legitimizing language used by the opposition, that's a bad thing. "AR" begs for misuse by the uninformed.
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What's next calling rifles ammunition distribution devices just to placate the hoplophobes? No. I refuse. This is my AR. It's a rifle. It's the most popular and commonly used rifle in the USA. It's dangerous and deadly to those who may harm me. There are many like it but this one is mine. And it is my right to keep and bear arms as enumerated by the US Constitution.
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Ok no more use of the word ammunition per 78. They will now be refered to as distribution device's... good thinking that will help us throw those donkeys off. :thumbsup:
thanks tom good point and as for surfs breakdown and kicking some knowledge I won't get that wrong anymore.
I know this is kinda meeh but by definition as surf put it ( if its too long for most of your attention spans just go to the end and read) most of our rifles don't fit the misrepresentation of that title. Im just creating another argument for our cause. If we the owners of these such devices dont even know the difference then we just keep enabling the fools!
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Anybody here read 1984? Remember the language Newspeak, official language of Oceania? Orwell did a nice job of summing up how language controls thought and society with that example.
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:rofl:
We should stop feeding the agenda of the politicians by calling our rifles "AR's". I personally dont own any of those. But what I do own a few of is "modern sporting rifles" (MSR). So please can we all refer to it as an MSR not AR's. Mine does not have a full auto feature which is the true definition of assault rifle. Thanks for all the support :shaka:
please reply when you read this thanks.
Aye, but what we be pirates? yARgh...... :rofl:
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haha.
Why are you letting them run your life with their made up bastard terminology. I won't let anyone dictate to me what to speak, eat, drink, etc. Better to educate people, as the NRA and many others have been doing. Call the antis on their lies and expose the agenda and the truth. That will take us farther than acquiescing and playing their game - to their rules.
If anything else I will say my AR is a modern musket but that would probably be met with blank stares outside of our circles.
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Like!~ See the tie in with the First and Second Amendment
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/3/miller-bloomberg-group-blasts-billboard-with-assau/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/3/miller-bloomberg-group-blasts-billboard-with-assau/)
Slide Fire manufacturers the Slide Stock, which is a replacement stock on a rifle that allows you to shoot faster. The slide lets the user “bump fire” from the shoulder, which means using the recoil of the firearm to pull the trigger faster.
The feature has been controversial because gun-control advocates such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein wrongly say that it converts a semi-automatic gun into an automatic one.
In fact, the gun owner must still pull the trigger each time to release one round and use a complicated physical technique to shoot faster. The ATF approved the feature for manufacture and sale.
However, Ms. Shackelford said the “Pure American” campaign is about promoting Second Amendment rights more than their product.
“We are all law-abiding citizens who are sick of being told that it’s abnormal or scary to own a firearm,” she said. “These gun-control groups are not making anyone safer, but just stoking irrational fears of the unknown.”
She pointed out that, as far as symbols of America go, guns are older than either baseball or apple pies. Ms. Shackelford explained that, “Firearms are the reason we are American citizens today. And it’s why the Constitution includes the Second Amendment.”
And Mr. Bloomberg needs to understand that the First Amendment applies to all speech, not just his anti-gun agenda.
Emily Miller is senior editor of opinion for The Washington Times and author of “Emily Gets Her Gun” (Regnery, 2013).
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/3/miller-bloomberg-group-blasts-billboard-with-assau/#ixzz2sMiVnzzF (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/3/miller-bloomberg-group-blasts-billboard-with-assau/#ixzz2sMiVnzzF)
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Based on Surf's dissertation, we could call them SARs. Semi-Automatic Rifles.
(and thanks for the clarification Surf )
I like Modern Musket.
ammunition distribution devices
ADD's ! That would be hilarious.
We need to start a poll.
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Used to call AR15/16s "Stoners" after their creator
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No. I have AR-15 style rifles and will continue to call them AR's. Calling them modern sporting rifles is gay. Sounds like you're just trying to appease the public so they won't be scared. Just call it what it is. A fucking bad ass rifle!
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No. I have AR-15 style rifles and will continue to call them AR's. Calling them modern sporting rifles is gay. Sounds like you're just trying to appease the public so they won't be scared. Just call it what it is. A fucking bad ass rifle!
I'm going to have to agree here.
I'm not changing the name of my gun to appease some pussy.
Nor am I painting it pink because some white guy is intimidated by 37" of hard black steel.
My gun is called what it is called.
Like it, love it, or hate it.
I honestly don't give a shit.
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I'm going to have to agree here.
I'm not changing the name of my gun to appease some pussy.
Nor am I painting it pink because some white guy is intimidated by 37" of hard black steel.
My gun is called what it is called.
Like it, love it, or hate it.
I honestly don't give a shit.
+1 :thumbsup: