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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: 841gun on February 13, 2014, 05:09:42 PM
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Hey all I've tried a couple times to shoot of the different types of rest at range and I'm still having a rough go at it.
My offhand groups were WAY more accurate. I'm not a great shot but I can usually stick 25 rounds in an 8" circle from 25 yards using a 1911 9mm.
My hope was to use the rests as trainer to tighten my groups. BUT OMG.
First 50 rounds off wooden perch low left, really low off paper low... And left
Off carpet 20 rounds all bottom of paper going from the left to the right side of paper.
Switched back to offhand few center rest around the 8" mark all on paper.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong off rest?
mahalos
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Having your POI change when you move from bench to handheld is usually an indication that your handheld fundamentals are lacking, but it's usually a subtle shift, not an off-to-on-the-paper shift. A radical change like that... something ain't right!
For best sighting in, I use a support on the front of my fun, forward of the trigger guard, under the frame or barrel. The clamp-on, notched wooden holders at the pistol shed are good for this. I usually throw a piece of fabric over the wood to make sure nothing gets scratched.
You want to avoid bracing the gun on its grip. If you don't have a way to support the forward portion of the gun, then support your wrists, hands and gun extending forward of the rest.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/shooting_handgun_bench_rest.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/shooting_handgun_bench_rest.htm)
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Hey all I've tried a couple times to shoot of the different types of rest at range and I'm still having a rough go at it.
My offhand groups were WAY more accurate. I'm not a great shot but I can usually stick 25 rounds in an 8" circle from 25 yards using a 1911 9mm.
My hope was to use the rests as trainer to tighten my groups. BUT OMG.
First 50 rounds off wooden perch low left, really low off paper low... And left
Off carpet 20 rounds all bottom of paper going from the left to the right side of paper.
Switched back to offhand few center rest around the 8" mark all on paper.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong off rest?
mahalos
Could shooting off the rest cause a slightly different grip or body position than when shooting off hand? I have the same issues, so I sight in off hand. Thinking about it though, those wooden rests, and even the carpet rolls can force a shooting position that may be unnatural. For me, I've found that just changing the backstrap size on my M&Ps can cause a change in POI. Lots of people say you need to sight in off a rest, but I don't know. Most of my shooting is done offhand, so why not sight in that way?
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Lots of people say you need to sight in off a rest, but I don't know. Most of my shooting is done offhand, so why not sight in that way?
The theory (and it is a good theory) is that from a benchrest, you dramatically reduce the effects of any bad habits the shooter may have. A gun zeroed from a sled will shoot to point of aim if you do your job. Likewise, although with a lesser degree of precision, a gun zeroed from a rest. A gun zeroed from offhand is a gun not zeroed. or so goes the theory, anyway!
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The theory (and it is a good theory) is that from a benchrest, you dramatically reduce the effects of any bad habits the shooter may have. A gun zeroed from a sled will shoot to point of aim if you do your job. Likewise, although with a lesser degree of precision, a gun zeroed from a rest. A gun zeroed from offhand is a gun not zeroed. or so goes the theory, anyway!
I hear what you're saying, and I do shoot tighter groups off a rest, but the point of impact is different than offhand. Like you said, not off paper different, but enough to be interesting. I don't think that zeroing off a rest is the end all solution though, unless all your shooting is going to be done off a rest. My grip feels different when I shoot with the pistol rested so in my case, I think that may be playing a part with what's happening when I break the shot. Also, it seems that the pistol is actually at a different distance than when I shoot offhand.
The interesting thing with the OP, he was pretty much 8 - 9 ring and in offhand at 25 yards, but moved off target when using two different types of rests. Provided he wasn't compensating (hold off or hold over) while shooting offhand, something had to have changed.