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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: dogman on February 28, 2014, 08:29:40 PM

Title: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: dogman on February 28, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
Whenever you're ready suka!  :worship:
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: WTF?Shane on February 28, 2014, 08:47:25 PM
I'm not Suka, but pop off the upper receiver and load it up.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: Kanakamaoli23 on February 28, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
yo eric! you should definitely use a pmag next time because i dont have any tightness issues when loading up to 29 rounds into mine. i think youre having trouble because the sleeve you made is pinching the magazine a little bit. mine is as easy to load as a magazine that is not inserted into the mag well.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: dogman on February 28, 2014, 09:20:29 PM
I'm not Suka, but pop off the upper receiver and load it up.

suka's been dropping hints about a modification for loading without popping the upper.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: survivorman on February 28, 2014, 09:51:31 PM
PMag base plates are pretty easy to remove.  Pop off the base plate, pull out the spring/follower, drop in your rounds and reassemble.  Of course that spring is going to be under pressure so that might be a challenge, easier if you don't top it off.  Maybe use a 40 rounder and load only 30?  Probably less hassle to just tilt the upper and load from the top.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: Kanakamaoli23 on February 28, 2014, 09:54:52 PM
PMag base plates are pretty easy to remove.  Pop off the base plate, pull out the spring/follower, drop in your rounds and reassemble.  Of course that spring is going to be under pressure so that might be a challenge, easier if you don't top it off.  Maybe use a 40 rounder and load only 30?  Probably less hassle to just tilt the upper and load from the top.

I just tried this. With more than 10 rounds in there the spring has to compress so much that's it's pretty difficult to get the base  plate back on.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: asinapple8805 on February 28, 2014, 10:51:55 PM
How about modeling it after the S&W M&P 15-22 magazines where you can pull the follower down to help ease with the loading?

the difference is, instead of loading at the top of the mag (where the lips are) you make a cutout on the side of the lower receiver, or mag shell, that is just big enough to fit rounds.

loading up the rounds would be easy.  you just pull down the follower with your thumb, and pop rounds in from the side, then release the follower so the tension is added back onto the follower.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: suka on February 28, 2014, 11:46:30 PM
How about modeling it after the S&W M&P 15-22 magazines where you can pull the follower down to help ease with the loading?

the difference is, instead of loading at the top of the mag (where the lips are) you make a cutout on the side of the lower receiver, or mag shell, that is just big enough to fit rounds.

loading up the rounds would be easy.  you just pull down the follower with your thumb, and pop rounds in from the side, then release the follower so the tension is added back onto the follower.

That's pretty much nailed it.
Drill a hole on the back of the mag. large enough to drop rounds in.
Attach a pull string (cable) or rod to the follower and extend it out through the floor plate.

To load, pull down , drop rounds in, release.

I'd recommend 20rds mags. Since they are straight.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: suka on March 01, 2014, 12:13:28 AM
Or a

Slide on the side of the magazine.

Slot the mag on the sides , attach a "puller" to the follower.

Basiclly, it slides the follower down and just drop in the rounds as above.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: Tom_G on March 01, 2014, 09:38:54 AM
I just tried this. With more than 10 rounds in there the spring has to compress so much that's it's pretty difficult to get the base  plate back on.

Seems like you could fabricate a loading sleeve that would allow you to compress the spring more easily.  I envision it looking like a basic mag loader... hollow elongated rectangle with a "tooth" over the end.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: asinapple8805 on March 01, 2014, 10:05:58 AM
one way that might work is putting the hole (for inserting the rounds) near where the follower bottoms out in the magazine.  this way, when you release the tension on the follower, the follower passes the hole and prevents dust/dirt from getting into the magazine, and prevents rounds from falling out of the magazine.

my other idea would be to cut the side of the lower receiver and create pivot points on the front and back of the magazine shell that connects to the front and back of the magwell.  when you want to load up the mag, you would disengage the magazine and rotate the magazine out.

in a sense, this would be like turning the ar pistol into a sort of revolver-type mechanism.  the pivot points would allow the magazine to maintain the right height so that the loading mechanism isn't affected when the BCG picks up another round to put into the chamber.  the only problem with this design is that you'd have to maintain the structural rigidity of the lower.  this means that you'll need to create a swinging door mechanism that would hold the magazine in battery, and provide some kind of cross-brace to make up for the metal removed.

this would facilitate faster loading, but would be a slightly more complicated design.
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: jonjon on March 03, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
could this mag be utilized?

(http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af82/jonlagon72/EM3-556-4_zpsde4fa4e7.jpg) (http://s996.photobucket.com/user/jonlagon72/media/EM3-556-4_zpsde4fa4e7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: SpeedTek on March 03, 2014, 12:38:33 AM
Make it removable!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Any suggestions for loading an AR with a fixed magazine?
Post by: suka on March 03, 2014, 12:49:09 AM
could this mag be utilized?

(http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af82/jonlagon72/EM3-556-4_zpsde4fa4e7.jpg) (http://s996.photobucket.com/user/jonlagon72/media/EM3-556-4_zpsde4fa4e7.jpg.html)
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