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Gun Clubs => Hawaii Defense Foundation => Topic started by: dirtylickins on March 11, 2014, 12:15:28 AM
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Sign ups are now closed thanks again.
Free shoot is still open to all who care to come.
Ok participants here are the details for march... CARBINE! Also important No 101 instruction in the AM. Due to time constraints we are going straight into instruction at 8am following safety brief. any new shooter's care for some instruction it will be done during free shoot time which is still 12noon till 2pm. We are currently limited in size so the sign ups for your spot is now open. If you have pm'd me your info before just rsvp your name. If you have not leave me your # in pm. Thanks any FA Q'S (hehe) post here to be answered for all. :shaka:
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I guess no GTG then.....till april
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Sup Dirty, the Mrs. and I will be there.
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Sign me up pls.
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Please add me as a participant.
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Request training please :shaka:
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My M1 and I will be there!
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Pm'ed u. I'll be there with skinnypanda and nate
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count me in please.
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Pm sent
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Do I have to sign up for the free shoot - 101 type instruction or can I just show up ?
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Aloha DL,
PM just sent.
Mahalo,
Kuleana
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Do I have to sign up for the free shoot - 101 type instruction or can I just show up ?
no need sign up for free shoot
sign up is for carbine class at 8 am
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Did the metal arrive yet?
Is it time to unload?
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Did the metal arrive yet?
metal arrived last month
still needs some kinks worked out
shakedown session was only ok
hopefully, things will go better this month
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Nice!!!
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Nice!!!
you going this month?
do you want taro?
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Damn can't make that date... But I'll probably head down to the range this weekend, maybe I can swing by...
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Damn can't make that date... But I'll probably head down to the range this weekend, maybe I can swing by...
ok, let me know a day in advance
i don't want to dig it up unless you are coming out to HK side
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1. bota-cs1
2. mrs bota-cs1
3. greenstomper
4. wtf?shane
5. imku
6. tom_g
7. fatpanda
8. skinnypanda
9. nate
10. jaynick
11. jhanawahine
12. kuleana
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When you say carbine, do we only bring our rifles and no pistols? sign me and my wife up.
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Seems like it's turning into couples & carbines day.... :rofl: ;D
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When you say carbine, do we only bring our rifles and no pistols? sign me and my wife up.
rifle, and holstered sidearm for transition drills is ideal
pm DL and see if sidearm is required
i'll put you down on the list temporarily
1. bota-cs1
2. mrs bota-cs1
3. greenstomper
4. wtf?shane
5. imku
6. tom_g
7. fatpanda
8. skinnypanda
9. nate
10. jaynick
11. jhanawahine
12. kuleana
13. blckdrgn
14. mrs blckdrgn
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Please count me in :geekdanc:
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Please count me in O0
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Please count me in O0
1. bota-cs1
2. mrs bota-cs1
3. greenstomper
4. wtf?shane
5. imku
6. tom_g
7. fatpanda
8. skinnypanda
9. nate
10. jaynick
11. jhanawahine
12. kuleana
13. blckdrgn
14. mrs blckdrgn
15. lee
16. itoen
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Please count me in also Macsak. I PM'd dirty earlier this morning but didn't see my name on the list. Thanks!
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Please count me in also Macsak. I PM'd dirty earlier this morning but didn't see my name on the list. Thanks!
1. bota-cs1
2. mrs bota-cs1
3. greenstomper
4. wtf?shane
5. imku
6. tom_g
7. fatpanda
8. skinnypanda
9. nate
10. jaynick
11. jhanawahine
12. kuleana
13. blckdrgn
14. mrs blckdrgn
15. lee
16. itoen
17. kaloman
my apologies, k-man
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Thanks!
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When you say carbine, do we only bring our rifles and no pistols? sign me and my wife up.
that is the required firearm for the training. What
you want to shoot during the free shoot IS up to you that's when most bring out the toys.
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Count me in. I will be at this one for sure.
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Important notice:
We are going to be doing the next level qualifiers as well during the free shoot period. So if you plan on participating you will need to bring both your pistol and rifle with your complete setup ( slings mags etc.)
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Count me in. I will be at this one for sure.
1. bota-cs1
2. mrs bota-cs1
3. greenstomper
4. wtf?shane
5. imku
6. tom_g
7. fatpanda
8. skinnypanda
9. nate
10. jaynick
11. jhanawahine
12. kuleana
13. blckdrgn
14. mrs blckdrgn
15. lee
16. itoen
17. kaloman
18. nasdaqplaya
pretty soon we're gonna have to go to a waiting list
pm DL with your contact info, please
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Count me in for the class :shaka:
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Count me in for the class :shaka:
1. bota-cs1
2. mrs bota-cs1
3. greenstomper
4. wtf?shane
5. imku
6. tom_g
7. fatpanda
8. skinnypanda
9. nate
10. jaynick
11. jhanawahine
12. kuleana
13. blckdrgn
14. mrs blckdrgn
15. lee
16. itoen
17. kaloman
18. nasdaqplaya
19. jonjon
guys, let's put the signups on hold for now
we have to check with sterling to see if he has any pms that got to him before 5 pm tuesday
anyone answering from now on will be considered the waiting list
please respond to this thread and pm DL with your contact info and he will be managing the wait list
sorry, but we have to be fair and go by rsvp times
the range day staff is working to free up more spaces and accomodating more shooters per month
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1. bota-cs1
2. mrs bota-cs1
3. greenstomper
4. wtf?shane
5. imku
6. tom_g
7. fatpanda
8. skinnypanda
9. nate
10. jaynick
11. jhanawahine
12. kuleana
13. blckdrgn
14. mrs blckdrgn
15. lee
16. itoen
17. kaloman
18. nasdaqplaya
19. jonjon
20. Goskate
21. Coconut kid
guys, let's put the signups on hold for now
the range day staff is working to free up more spaces and accomodating more shooters per month
that's what the qualifiers are for to move shooters to the 2pm till 4pm session which is a much more technical...ie accuracy and the evil blue box that beeps
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so what exactly do we need to do to qualify?
Be gentle with me.
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so what exactly do we need to do to qualify?
Be gentle with me.
if you need to ask...
>:D
the main qualification is that the instructors are familiar with you and your weapons safety
everything else is secondary to that
the instructors have come up with a simple drill that is an extension of what was practiced in earlier 102 sessions
think of the 2-4 time slot as a 103 class (101 is the range safety/range commands/holstering, etc brief for newbies)
we are trying to relieve demand on the morning class so that we can open up more spots for more members in the 102 group
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so what exactly do we need to do to qualify?
Be gentle with me.
This sound familiar. ....
Beep....... miss.. Beep... That from 10 holes that you built both rifle and pistol to qual.
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so what exactly do we need to do to qualify?
Be gentle with me.
This sound familiar. ....
Beep....... miss.. Beep... That from 10 holes that you built both rifle and pistol to qual must hit targets plus mandatory mag changes.
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Please add fishandshoot, thank you!
Pm with my info sent to DL :shaka:
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Please add fishandshoot, thank you!
Pm with my info sent to DL :shaka:
sorry fns
we may be on waiting list status
Dl will notify you what your standing is
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This sound familiar. ....
Beep....... miss.. Beep... That from 10 holes that you built both rifle and pistol to qual must hit targets plus mandatory mag changes.
Lol........ Damn!
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What CK? no register? Kanoa wants to know what's goin on.
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What CK? no register? Kanoa wants to know what's goin on.
CK made the list
barely
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:thumbsup:
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How many chances will they be given to qualify
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Hate that little blue device...and that person tht keeps moving the steel target too. Lol
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CK made the list
barely
Thank you. :worship:
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How many chances will they be given to qualify
once per month
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I'll be there to either participate if there's enough room or just to help out
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What if our primary is a punt gvn, and our secondary is a tomahawk? ::)
then you got your work cut out on that mandatory mag change on the ax and manipulating your safety on you punt.
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If any space opens, I will be there
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Damn it! I'm always late to sign up :(
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Damn it! I'm always late to sign up :(
contact dl
see if you can get put on waiting list
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March 11, 2014, 12:15:28 AM: - Event posted.
March 11, 2014, 05:36:25 AM - 1st response posted.
March 11, 2014, 04:12:21 PM - Wait list warning.
March 11, 2014, 05:09:32 PM - signups placed on hold. Wait list officially begins.
Under 12 hours from the first signup to sold out. Basically, if you aren't a compulsive forum checker, or if you work a regular day job without internet access, there was no chance. I made the list because I am a compulsive forum checker who has internet access at work, but I can totally appreciate the injustice of that. Does anyone else wonder if there's a more equitable method?
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There is another avenue. The HDF facebook page will announce the event usually the next day after the announcement here. You can try to sign up there as well but nothing is guaranteed.
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There is another avenue. The HDF facebook page will announce the event usually the next day after the announcement here. You can try to sign up there as well but nothing is guaranteed. those are also additional slots not filled by 2a members so that's a way to sign up if its filled here.
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Yeah, I can think of two alternatives, neither of which I really like (since, you know, I have time and access to stalk the forum and thus am part of the 1%). One is a lottery system. The other is some form of tiered membership.
Again, not endorsing a change, just feeling sorry for those less-fortunate souls that actually work for a living, or don't use the internet in lieu of having a life. ;)
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March 11, 2014, 12:15:28 AM: - Event posted.
March 11, 2014, 05:36:25 AM - 1st response posted.
March 11, 2014, 04:12:21 PM - Wait list warning.
March 11, 2014, 05:09:32 PM - signups placed on hold. Wait list officially begins.
Under 12 hours from the first signup to sold out. Basically, if you aren't a compulsive forum checker, or if you work a regular day job without internet access, there was no chance. I made the list because I am a compulsive forum checker who has internet access at work, but I can totally appreciate the injustice of that. Does anyone else wonder if there's a more equitable method?
Don't feel too bad. I think we all realize that there are limitations. I've been trying to get into Hunter's Ed for months and always miss out. For me it is what it is and I accept that. Hopefully one day the HDF would have the resources to accommodate more folks.
On a positive note it's great to see so many responsible firearm owners wanting to learn how to use their firearms safely and effectively.
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Hopefully one day the HDF would have the resources to accommodate more folks.
If more people are willing to help watch people, then I'm sure someone can talk to dirty and them to see about increasing the limit. Just gotta have enough eyes to cover the guns sufficiently and make sure everyone goes home with everything they came with (minus ammunition).
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I may be able to assist in this capacity for future events (depending on the kids' Spring sports schedule).
What kind of background training is required and what is the time commitment?
I would also be interested in the requirements for HDF range safety please PM me the info.
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Actually gents we have enough safety officials. The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely. 2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage. And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.
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Actually gents we have enough safety officials. The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely. 2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage. And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.
Yeah I would like to know who some of the other groups are and if they have provided proof of all their stuff =p.
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Actually gents we have enough safety officials. The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely. 2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage. And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.
Roger thanks DL. I was just figuring if my schedule permits and I can make it one day to help as needed possibly as a safety and observe the range day first before I commit to locking in a training spot for myself. Kinda paying if forward by doing some club service before self service.
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+1; like dustoff, I believe in helping out and supporting worthwhile causes. Let me know if I can assist in other ways, as well
everyone is welcome to observe, we may ask for help if necessary, but we usually have enough
we are not shy about asking, though
free shoot is from 12-1:45 or so, and everyone is invited for that too
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So are you guys going to start allowing other people to volunteer to teach during range days or no?
There are lots of guys with something to share, so i think it would diversify the training and allow people exposure to different perspectives and techniques.
people can volunteer to teach at anytime during range days I do it all the time. We all learn from each other. So i suggest to whom ever would like to teach sign up attend a few sessions come on out participate and volunteer your different perspectives and techniques we all watch and learn.
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So are you guys going to start allowing other people to volunteer to teach during range days or no?
There are lots of guys with something to share, so i think it would diversify the training and allow people exposure to different perspectives and techniques.
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Mahalo for your input
I think people (everyone, not just you) need to remember that this is a work in progress and we have been at it, what, 6 months?
And that doesn't include the lost time due to the range shutdown
We are now trying to find out how we can keep things interesting and worthwhile, but with the primary goal always being safety
I feel that the range days will be evolving over time, and I am positive that 3, 6, 12 months from now we will have even more change, and hopefully it will be for the better
We value everyone's input, and appreciate the thoughts, but before we think about "diversify the training", we need to ensure that we have a base level of competency and a comfort level with people's range safety awareness
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Yeah I would like to know who some of the other groups are and if they have provided proof of all their stuff =p.
Know it won't be cheap but I'd throw in for an HDF storage locker in Hawaii Kai. It would be more secure than out in the open at the range.
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Actually gents we have enough safety officials. The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely. 2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage. And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.
Mentioned this before but one option is like Front Sight's practice of having 1:1 "observer" to shooter. Drill, then switch and the shooter becomes the observer and vice versa. This also means there is a 1:1 SO ratio at all times. The rising tide raises all boats and allows for more of them even, their classes are huge but run very efficiently :) Just a thought as HDF grows in popularity.
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everyone is welcome to observe, we may ask for help if necessary, but we usually have enough
we are not shy about asking, though
free shoot is from 12-1:45 or so, and everyone is invited for that too
Can you give more information about the "free shoot", like does everyone mean everyone? skill level? and what do you shoot at? Of course I do understand that safety always comes first.
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Can you give more information about the "free shoot", like does everyone mean everyone? skill level? and what do you shoot at? Of course I do understand that safety always comes first.
everyone means everyone
hdf members $10, non-members $20
you can sign up for HDF on the spot $25 annually
shoot at targets, bowling pins
bottles
whatever
distance is usually 12-15 yards
some people run drills
some people just do mag dumps
you can holster and draw (no iwb or cross-draw)
practice transitions
just be safe and legal
we have some VTAC boards to try out too
come out, dogman, the gang would get a kick out of the AR pistol
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Mentioned this before but one option is like Front Sight's practice of having 1:1 "observer" to shooter. Drill, then switch and the shooter becomes the observer and vice versa. This also means there is a 1:1 SO ratio at all times. The rising tide raises all boats and allows for more of them even, their classes are huge but run very efficiently :) Just a thought as HDF grows in popularity.
actually it is been done like this currently running 3 person teams so 1 shooter 2 observers (12 people shooting at a time) because space is limited but when the drills become dynamic then only 2 shooters can go at a time. As for the 1/1 SO not all of the participants are experienced enough to watch themselves wouldn't feel comfortable with them watching some one with evenless experience where experience could have anticipated a foul move coming. Especially when im responsible to answer the WTF happened questions. We are continuing to improve and grow this to be effective as possible.
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actually it is been done like this currently running 3 person teams so 1 shooter 2 observers (12 people shooting at a time) because space is limited but when the drills become dynamic then only 2 shooters can go at a time. As for the 1/1 SO not all of the participants are experienced enough to watch themselves wouldn't feel comfortable with them watching some one with evenless experience where experience could have anticipated a foul move coming. Especially when im responsible to answer the WTF happened questions. We are continuing to improve and grow this to be effective as possible.
Understood, not saying you and the rest of the RSOs aren't watching but being augmented. in general it is basic safety concepts and not hard to watch for muzzle downrange or finger on the trigger. This is 101 talking about and everyone should have it in them from the get go. Build confidence, responsibility and active safety participation right at the start. Watching over "Dynamic" exercise is another matter and will vary of course, may not even want anyone else up there depending on the course.
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So what 2 new clubs are being formed?
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Just an FYI, from what I have seen on different weather forecast models for saturday, it might be a wet one. I don't have a canopy, so if someone does have a canopy and would be so kind to let me use a small corner to put my bags I would be most grateful. :shaka:
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So what 2 new clubs are being formed?
which 2 clubs are you referring to?
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Just an FYI, from what I have seen on different weather forecast models for saturday, it might be a wet one. I don't have a canopy, so if someone does have a canopy and would be so kind to let me use a small corner to put my bags I would be most grateful. :shaka:
some say 50% chance of rain
others say 50% chance of storms
shoot goes on rain or shine
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some say 50% chance of rain
others say 50% chance of storms
shoot goes on rain or shine
That's good, I took off of work to go...
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Can you give more information about the "free shoot", like does everyone mean everyone? skill level? and what do you shoot at? Of course I do understand that safety always comes first.
you shoot at various targets about 15yards away.
bring empty 2 liter or gallon plastic bottles! more fun than shooting paper imo.
or you can bring the skinny 1"x2" wood to stick into the rusty frame holders to set up paper targets. people just use clamps or staples or tape to hold it all together. they dont bolt them together like most guys on the rifle side. its just a flimsy temporary and easy to set up thing because the freeshoot is only an hour or so.
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That's good, I took off of work to go...
flash flood watch until 6 am sunday...
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I was thinking for these events, we should get a roster of active members and send out mass texts to announce any events. I can see it getting intense in terms of message traffic but might be good for getting a hold of people faster.
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I was thinking for these events, we should get a roster of active members and send out mass texts to announce any events. I can see it getting intense in terms of message traffic but might be good for getting a hold of people faster.
are you talking about the range day itself or the flash flood warning?
we have the schedule set every 6 months, and announce details 1-2 weeks in advance
the class fills fast anyways, and the free shoot is usually one or two dozen additional people
the action bay is pretty crowded
notification is usually not a problem, the guys are mostly all online daily if not hourly
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you shoot at various targets about 15yards away.
bring empty 2 liter or gallon plastic bottles! more fun than shooting paper imo.
or you can bring the skinny 1"x2" wood to stick into the rusty frame holders to set up paper targets. people just use clamps or staples or tape to hold it all together. they dont bolt them together like most guys on the rifle side. its just a flimsy temporary and easy to set up thing because the freeshoot is only an hour or so.
plastic bottles are great fun to shoot
i always bring 6+ bottles and everyone shoots 'em up
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flash flood watch until 6 am sunday...
special weather statement for south shore of oahu
... RISK OF STRONG TO SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS TODAY THROUGH SATURDAY...
A POWERFUL UPPER LEVEL LOW WILL DIG SOUTH TOWARD THE ISLANDS LATER TODAY AND TONIGHT. AHEAD OF THIS LOW... THE ATMOSPHERE OVER THE ISLANDS WILL CONTINUE TO DESTABILIZE RAPIDLY.
SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP EARLY THIS AFTERNOON OVER THE ISLANDS. IN ADDITION TO THE THREAT FOR FLASH FLOODING... THE STRONGEST STORMS THIS AFTERNOON COULD PRODUCE STRONG GUSTY WINDS... FREQUENT LIGHTNING... INTENSE DOWNPOURS... AND FUNNEL CLOUDS.
TONIGHT AND SATURDAY... SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE. AS THE UPPER LOW APPROACHES THE ISLANDS... A FEW OF THESE STORMS COULD BECOME SEVERE. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ARE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS AND HAIL THE SIZE OF QUARTERS OR LARGER... IN ADDITION TO FREQUENT LIGHTNING AND INTENSE RAINFALL.
BE READY FOR RAPID CHANGES IN THE WEATHER TODAY THROUGH SATURDAY. WHILE NOT EVERYONE WILL SEE INTENSE WEATHER... YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED TO MOVE INDOORS QUICKLY IF THE WEATHER APPEARS THREATENING OR THUNDER IS HEARD. THOSE WITH OUTDOOR PLANS SHOULD HAVE AN IMMEDIATE WAY TO GET WATCHES OR WARNINGS THAT MAY BE ISSUED TODAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
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Awesome time to use a jacket! 8)
(https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/946267_603398023025440_2134755403_n.jpg)
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A wise man once said... Quite a bit of raining, just adds to the training... no be scared unless you made of sugar. If you are then please can you stir my tea.
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I was thinking for these events, we should get a roster of active members and send out mass texts to announce any events. I can see it getting intense in terms of message traffic but might be good for getting a hold of people faster.
The HDF twitter account may just be the ticket.
Go here for the latest and greatest: https://twitter.com/HiDefenseFdn
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http://youtu.be/K2ihL_FrFPs (http://youtu.be/K2ihL_FrFPs)
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The HDF twitter account may just be the ticket.
Go here for the latest and greatest: https://twitter.com/HiDefenseFdn
I'm still not... up on twitter 100% lol I guess I can stop slacking. Just so much shit in my head goes on, that I forgot about a few things all the time =p twitter is one of them. Will up the game up though.
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I'm still not... up on twitter 100% lol I guess I can stop slacking. Just so much shit in my head goes on, that I forgot about a few things all the time =p twitter is one of them. Will up the game up though.
5:30 am weather report- east side
winds are light from the south
mid-level overcast
can see lightning from the south, but far away- cannot hear thunder
watch weather reports and satellites for more details
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5:30 am weather report- east side
winds are light from the south
mid-level overcast
can see lightning from the south, but far away- cannot hear thunder
watch weather reports and satellites for more details
6:25 am update
skies clearing
no more lightning from south
keep checking weather reports, though
shoot is on no matter what
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Running extremely late, willing to forfeit my spot.
Should be able to make it to the free shoot. :thumbsup:
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HDF,
Thanks for your hard work in putting together another fun-filled day!
Fark
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HDF,
Thanks for your hard work in putting together another fun-filled day!
Fark
i really appreciate everyone's concern that i not get skin cancer
everyone kept on asking me, "mac, where's your hat?"
i am touched that you guys are all looking out for me
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Macsak without his hat I wouldn't recognize him. Its iconic..like Arnold with his cigar
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Today was a good day!
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Awesome day today. Thank you organizers. The team relays were fun. Event ran pretty smooth imo.
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Today was a good day!
Was that because your fingers did'nt hurt ? ;D
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Dirty - who was your friend(new shooter) at the HDF shoot :D :love:
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Dirty - who was your friend(new shooter) at the HDF shoot :D :love:
who this friend? Thats speedtek's boss.lol
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What the hell happened to the VTAC barrier?
you mean the holes in the barrier with the names attached to them? those are the "accidental/premature discharges" caused by dirty's friend :thumbsup:
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Good thing the Dragon Lady charms have no effect on me.
But put an eastern-bloc girl out there and I'm doomed :shake:
this????
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I keed, I keed :rofl:
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this????
(http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af82/jonlagon72/olga_zps92cc3630.jpg) (http://s996.photobucket.com/user/jonlagon72/media/olga_zps92cc3630.jpg.html)
I keed, I keed :rofl:
:D :rofl: :rofl:
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What the hell happened to the VTAC barrier?
obviously you are unaffected by her
no one else was looking at the barrier
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