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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: numbertwo on May 07, 2014, 05:49:29 PM
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I'm going to start building my first AR and as far as I know, the only thing we need to register in Hawaii as far as AR's go is the lower receiver wether it's complete or stripped (excluding 80% lowers) but I have a friend telling me that they've started stamping serial numbers on the barrel and upper receiver and that I'd need to register those too.
Do I need to register upper receivers?
And do I need an FFL if I were to purchase a completed or stripped upper online?
Also, is it me or is does building an upper receiver seems to be a more complicated and a tad bit more expensive than building a lower receiver. Would it be cheaper and safer for a rifle noob to just buy a complete upper?
Thanks in advance
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Upper doesnt need ffl only the lower. If u take in the complete built gun they log the barrel length
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Federal law considers the receiver the firearm. The reason why complete guns have serials on all the parts is to make sure it matches the gun. A glock has it's serial number on the frame, barrel and slide, but the frame is the "firearm." Unless you want to customize every single part of the upper, you're better off with a complete upper. You would need other tools too or ask someone to borrow, like a vise, barrel nut wrench, know how to check head space etc.
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Will I need to bring the whole rifle in once I complete it for HPD to log the barrel length even [after I've already registered the lower receiver?
I'll stick with a completed upper or asking someone to do it.
Thank you both so far!
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Will I need to bring the whole rifle in once I complete it for HPD to log the barrel length even [after I've already registered the lower receiver?
I'll stick with a completed upper or asking someone to do it.
Thank you both so far!
No not necessary. Your paperwork will say "receiver only"
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Will I need to bring the whole rifle in once I complete it for HPD to log the barrel length even [after I've already registered the lower receiver?
I'll stick with a completed upper or asking someone to do it.
Thank you both so far!
You can just take the lower down and register it, you don't have to take the whole gun. You can change uppers, 556, 22, 300Blk, and still use the same lower. :D
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If you buy a lower, complete or stripped, it needs to be shipped to FFL for transfer if bought online.
Upper receivers do not have serial numbers. Only markings will be manufacturer and specs of barrel engraved onto barrel. These can be shipped directly to your house as these components are not considered firearms.
The lower receiver is pretty basic and standard through all the manufacturers. There are some variances such as NiB FCGs and heavier buffers. But usually you pay a little more for those. Though lower receiver builds can get pricey if you upgrade to aftermarket trigger groups, nicer buttstock and grips. The upper receiver can be the money pit since lots of the components will vary from manufacturer. The actual upper receiver can be bought cheap unless you go the route such as Noveske and BCM, you pay for the name. Barrels will greatly vary depending on how it's manufactured, caliber, twist rate, length, fluted, material, etc. BCGs will vary and depends on the type of coating and material. Upper parts kit will be pretty much standard. Handguards/rail system can be costly too. Gas block will vary depending on size. As you can see there are tons of upper receiver combinations.
I recommend checking out PSA. They have cheap lowers, uppers, and parts.
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Federal law considers the receiver the firearm. The reason why complete guns have serials on all the parts is to make sure it matches the gun. A glock has it's serial number on the frame, barrel and slide, but the frame is the "firearm." Unless you want to customize every single part of the upper, you're better off with a complete upper. You would need other tools too or ask someone to borrow, like a vise, barrel nut wrench, know how to check head space etc.
I agree with this, you're probably better off buying a complete upper for your first AR. If you really get into it you'll likely buy more and can then think about a full build. PSA has a number of Daniel Defense uppers for sale right now (add to cart to see price)
https://www.primaryarms.com/Rifles-s/5753.htm (https://www.primaryarms.com/Rifles-s/5753.htm)
The lower you can buy stripped or complete. I bought mine complete but to be honest if I were to do it again, I might build as it doesn't require any special tools and you can customize it to your liking (trigger pull, grip, type of stock, etc.).
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No not necessary. Your paperwork will say "receiver only"
You can just take the lower down and register it, you don't have to take the whole gun. You can change uppers, 556, 22, 300Blk, and still use the same lower. :D
That's good news! I was unaware I could use the same lower the and switch the upper (I'm sure the appropriate mags too) for those calibers
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If you buy a lower, complete or stripped, it needs to be shipped to FFL for transfer if bought online.
Upper receivers do not have serial numbers. Only markings will be manufacturer and specs of barrel engraved onto barrel. These can be shipped directly to your house as these components are not considered firearms.
The lower receiver is pretty basic and standard through all the manufacturers. There are some variances such as NiB FCGs and heavier buffers. But usually you pay a little more for those. Though lower receiver builds can get pricey if you upgrade to aftermarket trigger groups, nicer buttstock and grips. The upper receiver can be the money pit since lots of the components will vary from manufacturer. The actual upper receiver can be bought cheap unless you go the route such as Noveske and BCM, you pay for the name. Barrels will greatly vary depending on how it's manufactured, caliber, twist rate, length, fluted, material, etc. BCGs will vary and depends on the type of coating and material. Upper parts kit will be pretty much standard. Handguards/rail system can be costly too. Gas block will vary depending on size. As you can see there are tons of upper receiver combinations.
I recommend checking out PSA. They have cheap lowers, uppers, and parts.
Awesome! I was thinking of adding a chip mccormick trigger but not till later and I'm fine with any decent buttstock, I could always upgrade later, same for everything else including the upper. I'll just find something that fits my price range and ask here to see if it's at least a decent and well known reliable brand.
I agree with this, you're probably better off buying a complete upper for your first AR. If you really get into it you'll likely buy more and can then think about a full build. PSA has a number of Daniel Defense uppers for sale right now (add to cart to see price)
https://www.primaryarms.com/Rifles-s/5753.htm (https://www.primaryarms.com/Rifles-s/5753.htm)
The lower you can buy stripped or complete. I bought mine complete but to be honest if I were to do it again, I might build as it doesn't require any special tools and you can customize it to your liking (trigger pull, grip, type of stock, etc.).
I appreciate the link! I found some other decently priced completed uppers.
I also found this http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-amp-action-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar15-m16-upper-receivers-prod60496.aspx?avs (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-amp-action-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar15-m16-upper-receivers-prod60496.aspx?avs)|Price_1=300xzzx00%20TO%20799xzzx99
The only problem is it doesn't come with a charging handle or bold carrier group. Are these hard to install or uncommon tools?
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Awesome! I was thinking of adding a chip mccormick trigger but not till later and I'm fine with any decent buttstock, I could always upgrade later, same for everything else including the upper. I'll just find something that fits my price range and ask here to see if it's at least a decent and well known reliable brand.
I appreciate the link! I found some other decently priced completed uppers.
I also found this http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-amp-action-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar15-m16-upper-receivers-prod60496.aspx?avs (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-amp-action-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar15-m16-upper-receivers-prod60496.aspx?avs)|Price_1=300xzzx00%20TO%20799xzzx99
The only problem is it doesn't come with a charging handle or bold carrier group. Are these hard to install or uncommon tools?
I'm not familiar with Red X but there are a lot of good brands out there. No tools needed to take out the charging handle and BCG, you'll be taking these out very often if you properly clean/maintain your gun.
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milling out the upper requires a 1-1/4x18 die and a long 1" drill bit
the mag well on the lower is the most difficult area to mill out.
these are 0% billets.
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That's good news! I was unaware I could use the same lower the and switch the upper (I'm sure the appropriate mags too) for those calibers
Actually, my decision to build a 300BLK was due to fact that it uses the same 556 mag!
300BLK is just a cut down and resized 556 cartridge. There's an adapter for22, not sure how well it works.
Basically 3 rifles for one registration and no extra trips to HPD! :D
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Actually, my decision to build a 300BLK was due to fact that it uses the same 556 mag!
300BLK is just a cut down and resized 556 cartridge. There's an adapter for22, not sure how well it works.
Basically 3 rifles for one registration and no extra trips to HPD! :D
Niiiiiiiiice
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but I have a friend telling me that they've started stamping serial numbers on the barrel and upper receiver and that I'd need to register those too.
Thanks in advance
your friend is a moron, never let him near any of your firearms! he is the type of guy which will muzzle sweep you and possibly shoot you...
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your friend is a moron, never let him near any of your firearms!
:rofl: :rofl:
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your friend is a moron, never let him near any of your firearms! he is the type of guy which will muzzle sweep you and possibly shoot you...
Hmm. I might be the moron. This friend of mine doesn't even have any firearms and this is the same friend that got all wide eyed when I told him I have hollow points. He also told me they were illegal and how'd I get them lol
Why'd I even consider taking his "advice" into account in the first place :facepalm:
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hollow points are illegal for the military for war under the Geneva convention.
so you it safe for civilian usage. 8)
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hollow points are illegal for the military for war under the Geneva convention.
so you it safe for civilian usage. 8)
Lol this is true. Good thing Im not military :D
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It is easy how misinformation spreads, your friend as an example who clearly knows little about firearms. In reality even those who know a great deal about firearms are guilty also. As an example the hollow point / military / legality debate. In actually it was the first Hauge convention in 1899 some years after the Geneva conventions in which the topic of expanding bullets was addressed. In reality this section (Declaration IV, 3) was never signed off by numerous countries including the US and that particular section has never been enforced. Local laws may be more restrictive so be aware of any local restrictions.