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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: suka on May 11, 2014, 02:21:44 AM
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shotguns with pistol grips and an OAL of 26" is considered a normal firearm under BATF and a normal pistol under HRS.
get um while you can !
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see the AOW topic page 4 and 5
for details
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i approve of this thread
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Such as the Auger 590a1? I'm in.
and in before someone "cough Q cough" tells me I don't need it.
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already got things moving here.
ordering barrel and a pgo
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Such as the Auger 590a1? I'm in.
and in before someone "cough Q cough" tells me I don't need it.
I'm not going to say what you DON'T need, but this is all you really need ...
http://youtu.be/rSWBuZws30g (http://youtu.be/rSWBuZws30g)
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shotguns with pistol grips and an OAL of 26" is considered a normal firearm under BATF and a normal pistol under HRS.
get um while you can !
Isn't it a normal rifle/shotgun under HRS ? I registered one not too long ago with a long gun permit. No Problem.
So long as barrel is 18" and OAL is 26"
Is this shotguns with a barrel length shorter than 18". But then OAL wouldn't need to be 26".
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Isn't it a normal rifle/shotgun under HRS ? I registered one not too long ago with a long gun permit. No Problem.
So long as barrel is 18" and OAL is 26"
Is this shotguns with a barrel length shorter than 18". But then OAL wouldn't need to be 26".
under HRS any firearm with a barrel under 16 inches is considered a pistol. the ATF has already decided that a 14in barrel with an overall length of 26in or more on a shotgun that has never had a stock on it is not in violation of the NFA.
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made a phone call to the ATF office here in Hawaii. An agent named Eric confirmed the set up is legal and not considered NFA. He also added that the determination by the state of Hawaii to classify it as a pistol would not affect any previous determinations by the ATF.
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made a phone call to the ATF office here in Hawaii. An agent named Eric confirmed the set up is legal and not considered NFA. He also added that the determination by the state of Hawaii to classify it as a pistol would not affect any previous determinations by the ATF.
yeap
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went down to OGC today and they weren't having any part of it. Maybe i'm just terrible at explanations. gonna to xring tomorrow to see if xring is willing to do the transfer.
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youd really need to speak to the owners
hell if i had my FFL in hon id be bringing in these kinds of stuff
im no lawyer but know my ways about the NFA and GCA
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under HRS any firearm with a barrel under 16 inches is considered a pistol. the ATF has already decided that a 14in barrel with an overall length of 26in or more on a shotgun that has never had a stock on it is not in violation of the NFA.
Thanks for the clarification.
Looked it up on internet. That's nuts. Looks like a handful.
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went down to OGC today and they weren't having any part of it. Maybe i'm just terrible at explanations. gonna to xring tomorrow to see if xring is willing to do the transfer.
just transfer a gun over
have the FFL look at question 18 on the 4473
these types of firearm MUST be transferred as
"other firearms" such as a receiver.
apply for the pistol permit once the FFL has it in inventory.
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just transfer a gun over
have the FFL look at question 18 on the 4473
these types of firearm MUST be transferred as
"other firearms" such as a receiver.
apply for the pistol permit once the FFL has it in inventory.
i'm trying to have someone set up the configuration before it gets to the island. the guys at young guns said that if they did orders a mossberg cruiser it would be reg'd as a long gun to hpd. i'm not sure how true this is or if they are just erring on the side of caution.
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also i wonder how it would go over if there was a modification made so you could add the sig "armbrace" on to these
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I am having trouble following this, we are talking about just a pistol grip on a shotgun? What problem was there ever with that?
One of the problems with Hawaii law and shotguns is that it doesn't actually define what a shotgun is.
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we are talking about a firearm that shoots 12 ga shot shells through a barrel less than 18" without a butt stock (thing that goes up).
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Looks like you would need to go to the manufacturer for the receiver. Once it's declared as a shotgun frame then you would have no chance of making a pistol out of it?
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question 18 of the 4473 specifically states that a pistol grip shotgun type firearm must transfer as an "other weapon" the same as a stripped receiver
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regulation (atf) only prohibit the removal of a stock, modifying it to a handgun or SBS
an other firearm is neither a hand gun nor a rifle (shotgun) thus can be converted/ modified either ways
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Wouldn't it be designated when reported as a sale to be a shotgun receiver from whomever ffl that sells it regardless of what state it is in? Once designated in that state you cannot declare it a pistol in another state? Once designated a long gun to the ATF then it cannot be changed into a pistol?
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as long as the FFL remembers to do the 4473 as other you are good on the federal side.
So far i haven't found any law in the HRS for firearms that says you can't buy the PGO shotgun have it reg'd as a shotgun and then switch out the barrel and mag tube and change it into a pistol reg.
i also haven't seen anything in the HRS where it says you can't change out the parts before you even buy it from the FFL and pick it up as a pistol right away
since the ATF already said that definitions set by Hawaii don't affect this guns status as an AOW as long as you don't put a stock on the gun you can change the barrel length all you want so long as you don't go under the 26 inch overall length rule.
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it will always remain an other firearm from the manufacture.
until an end user modifies it.
think stripped AR receivers.
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I ask this awhile back
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=10023.msg96681#msg96681
There are federal laws then there state, city, etc ...
On different forums on the net most suggested the original shotgun must be a PGO shotgun to begin with not a full stock shotgun.
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I ask this awhile back
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=10023.msg96681#msg96681
There are federal laws then there state, city, etc ...
On different forums on the net most suggested the original shotgun must be a PGO shotgun to begin with not a full stock shotgun.
Remember these members come from different places with different laws than our own.
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these would be pistols in hawaii but not handgun as defined by batf. these are firearms same catagory as an AR stripped receiver.
hawaii pistol is any barrel less than 16"
batf handgun is any firearm meant to be fired by one hand.