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Tools and Uses => Reloading => Topic started by: mic808 on June 28, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
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Aloha everyone,
This is goin to be my first time reloading a 9mm luger. i stopped by at WGS today and i bought a 1lb of Ramshot True Blue powder, 115 gr Hornady bullet and a CCI small primer. the old guy told me,its from his book he showed me that the data im using is 4.8gr-5.0 gr max of 5.7 gr @ 993 fps velocity. can anybody comfirm this please.
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i downloaded this load data from Ramshot.com but it seems like 115gr hornady is not on that list
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another load data
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So you are ready to load those shiny tumbled shells eh?
I can't help you with that specific powder, but I have a little experience with loading 9mm in many flavors.
My standing offer to assist beginners is still good.
If you don't have a buddy that already loads 9mm, you are welcomed to come over to my house and I can
give you a quick lesson on loading for the 9. Or I can drop by your place and check out your gear. Send me a PM if you want to do that.
For now, how about a little more info:
1- what make/ model gun?
2- what is the Hornady part# of the bullet?
3- what ammo have you been shooting up to now?
4- what loading press are you going to use?
5- have you ever reloaded any cartridge before?
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I am headed out to KHSC on Wed. 7/2 if you want to go shoot something.
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im have a glock 34 and been using factory bullets. i will be reloading with Lee single press. for the hornady part # i will look at it when i get home and send u pm. thanks
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i did reload 5 casing using this specs and see on friday. 115 gr hornady bullet,@ 5.2 gr ramshot true blue powder and COL of 1.100
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i did reload 5 casing using this specs and see on friday. 115 gr hornady bullet,@ 5.2 gr ramshot true blue powder and COL of 1.100
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Did you use a taper crimp? Avoid the Lee final crimp die.
See my thread on the " xtp project" for some loading tips.
My observation was that ramshot data for the 115 grain bullets were closer to 6 grains.
You might want to try load a few with a higher charge. Maybe 5.7.
Were you da guy I was talking to at the range a couple weeks ago?
We spoke about the collapsing trigger on his g34.
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maybe. after putting a competition spring on my g34. it jammed alot. but last saturday i did try and fired again with stock trigger spring everything works fine.
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im using lee factory crimp die after i did the bullet seating die
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im too new to realoding so im not goin to try to max yet. according to the old guy on WGS the max load i can put in is 5.7 gr. he did looked it up on his book
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im using lee factory crimp die after i did the bullet seating die
Some fellas had problems with the FC die.
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top picture is my overall length and the bottom picture is factory speer lawman
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so oldfart, what do u suggest? dont use FC crimp die? just used my bullet seating as final step?
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so oldfart, what do u suggest? dont use FC crimp die? just used my bullet seating as final step?
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Use what you got. See if it works.
I think some fellas had a problem with that FC die reducing the bullet diameter causing poor fit in the bore.
Accuracy was affected. In extreme cases it could cause tumbling in flight.
Low power loads could aggravate the problem by not upsetting the bullet enough to fill the bore.
But if it works for you, then no worries. When you test fire, look for scattered shots and oblong holes in the paper.
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thanks. i will try it out on friday since it is my holiday off. i will also try to load some 5.5 gr to see and compare to 5.2gr
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I use a spare sizing die to taper crimp the 9mm. But you gotta know what you doing. If you you use some of the crimp dies they tend to overdo it.
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dumb question. is that taper crimp die same as factory crimp die from Lee?
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dumb question. is that taper crimp die same as factory crimp die from Lee?
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Absolutely not a dumb question.
No, FC die is not the same as a taper crimp die at all.
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i finished 98 rounds of new reload. 49 rd of 5.2 gr of powder and 49 rd of 5.5 gr. will try it on friday. i have 2 bobos. seems like the casing was over flared and the bullet was push down too much.
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btw each round was carefully metered and weigh to those specific grain. thats why took me that long.
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I think some fellas had a problem with that FC die reducing the bullet diameter causing poor fit in the bore.
Accuracy was affected. .
I used a taper crimp on my .45acp. Wanted to try out the FC die. Accuracy suffered. Went back to the taper crimp.
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Lol.
Doesn't it feel good to roll your own and be a little less dependant on others?
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Those booboos look weird. Almost like the the shells were not sized.
That is what kinetic hammers are for.
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I used a taper crimp on my .45acp. Wanted to try out the FC die. Accuracy suffered. Went back to the taper crimp.
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I think "841gun" had trouble too.
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Good job. Take baby steps. The guys are here to help you out. Just ask, there is no dumb questions.
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i dont have a bullet puller yet but i will invest one.
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aloha everyone, i just realized that the first load data i posted was a updated version of western powders 5.0 and it was updated from jan 2014. so if im going to follow sierra 115 fmj, the min i can load is 5.9.
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latest load data 5.0 (updated)
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and the projectile that i bought from WGS said FMJ but no part number written. so is this fmj or round nose?
sorry i have too much question. i just want to double check everything
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and the projectile that i bought from WGS said FMJ but no part number written. so is this fmj or round nose?
sorry i have too much question. i just want to double check everything
It is a FMJ round nose bullet. There is also FMJ flat nose.
Bullet type (round nose vs flat nose) and weight are important as it will affect your COAL (Cartridge Over All Length). Incorrectly seated bullet depth will adversely affect pressure & velocity.
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FYI, the "old guy" at WGS is Joe. LOL
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RE: FMJ- Usually FMJ in pistols refers to a rounded nose shape. It is the most common bullet. The military used the term "BALL" for FMJ pistol bullets.
They also use the term ball for good old fashioned FMJ rifle bullets too. Even though most rifle bullets don't resemble balls at all.
However, some manufacturers do make a FMJ-TC (truncated cone) bullet. They look like a pyramid with the top chopped off.
But mostly if somebody says FMJ they mean round nose.
RE: charge weight...Your test loads are a little under minimum, but not enough to freak out about.
The worst that could happen is that the gun would have a hard time ejecting and perhaps dirty up the gun a little more.
So when you go out to shoot tomorrow, you want to look for 2 things:
1- sufficient power to eject the cases
2- scattered shots and key-holing on the paper. (oblong shaped holes)
Enjoy the range on Friday, I suspect it will be slightly busy in the morning and totally empty in the afternoon.
I went yesterday around 3pm and I was the only person there.
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thanks for all the info you guys posted.
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thanks oldfart. i will reloading more today with 5.9-6.0 gr just to be a little under max then
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thanks oldfart. i will reloading more today with 5.9-6.0 gr just to be a little under max then
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No make too much. You might have trouble with the FC die.
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i will not be using those 5.2 gr tomorrow till i get my bullet puller to reset the powder charge, just to be on the safe side.
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i will not be using those 5.2 gr tomorrow till i get my bullet puller to reset the powder charge
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I would just pull the heads using the gun. MUCH faster.
But seriously, pulling 50 bullets with a hammer is not fun.
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collet bullet puller seems nice to have on the press. maybe i will invest one next time just in case.
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I have had both types of bullet pullers. I broke my hammer type last year (It was over 30 years old). I bought a collet type to replace it. I prefer the collet type but it is a bit more of a hassle in some respects. For instance if you don't have the correct size collet when you want to pull the heads then you have to wait until you obtain the correct size. I bought a 45 collet when I started loading 45 Colt recently. Then I pushed my first loaded bullet into the case too far so I tried to pull it out with the 45 collet. Turns out I had loaded a lead SWC type bullet. Which is 45 cal at the base but it is more like 30 cal at the tip. SO my 45 collet didn't grab it. I had to change to my 30 cal collet. At least I had the correct size. The other downside to the collet type is cost. The initial purchase is fine but they nail you on the cost of subsequent collet purchases. And when you add in the cost of shipping if you have to pay for shipping it gets quite expensive.
The upside to the collet type is you can just pull the bullet out in small increments if that is all you need to do. The collet does not mar the bullet like I thought it would.
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thanks for the info inspector. well i guess i will buy a hammer for now then. how much does ot cost me to buy locally those bullet puller hammer? coz online is around 15-19 dollars free shipping
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Hey Mic,
I have not priced the hammer type at any of the LGS. My guess is that you will find their prices to be right at full retail or maybe a little higher.
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im here at the KHSC. and seem like my 5.2 gr is too low. some of my load cant even eject the casing.
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the the 5.5 gr is ok and 6.0 gr gives a little recoil. these ramshot powder burned dirty on the casing compare to factory ammo.
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the the 5.5 gr is ok and 6.0 gr gives a little recoil. these ramshot powder burned dirty on the casing compare to factory ammo.
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notice any funky oblong holes in the target?
RE: dirty burn...When you get closer to max load it should burn cleaner. But it will probably never be as clean as good quality factory ammo.
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i dont see any oblong shot so far. but my shots are all over the place. btw im a novice shooter but a improving a little.
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i dont see any oblong shot so far. but my shots are all over the place. btw im a novice shooter but a improving a little.
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When I started, my targets looked like that.
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cant wait till x-ring finish their indoor shooting range so i can practice more and dont have to drive far from ewa to khsc
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How many rounds did you shoot that day? I see a lot of fliers outside the black ring targets. Living in Ewa area, you can join Puualoa Gun Club and SRGC. If you know a SRGC member, open shoot is tomorrow.
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i did around 146 and 4 missfire. i dont know anybody at puuloa gun club.
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maybe i should apply membership to puuloa gun club. as civilian dod is $20 a year
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If you a dod civ you can join both Schofield and Puualoa without any problem. That's a lot of shoot time. I would check out SRGC open shoot today at cr1 and you will like the place. It's from 10-2
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question. what kind of reloading scale do you guys used? and how accurate. im kinda looking for a digital scale. thanks
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I use an RCBS Chargemaster Combo, an RCBS 505, and a Hornady GS-1500 electronic. When calibrated, all are very accurate and consistant. Oh, and I use a Lyman Bullet Puller. Was somewhere under $20. I can't remember. Comes in handy because I load a lot of lead SWC.
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question. what kind of reloading scale do you guys used? and how accurate. im kinda looking for a digital scale. thanks
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I got an old lyman beam scale, a lyman digital, and a frankford arsenal digital.
I don't believe it makes much difference as long as you check calibration once in a while.
It should also be in a draft free area when used.
I always throw multiple charges and average it out. Maybe 3 to 10 throws.
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thanks oldfart. and walena nice scale but too pricey
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i did around 146 and 4 missfire. i dont know anybody at puuloa gun club.
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When you say " misfire" you mean pull trigger and gun go click?
Not failure to feed or fail to eject?
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i have 4 missfire and the 2 i did load again and it went fired. and the other 2 click misfire twice
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here is the picture of the 2 missfire twice
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here is the picture of the 2 missfire twice
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If you coming over tonight, bring your gun and the duds.
Call me when you leave. Check pm for details
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too late, im already on the way. ill bring it next time.
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thanks for the info and help oldfart. i will try those bullet and keep you update.
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thanks for the info and help oldfart. i will try those bullet and keep you update.
now you know he's neither old nor a fart
>:D
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lol. hes pretty cool guy. and i like his dillon progressive press
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thanks for the info and help oldfart. i will try those bullet and keep you update.
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Thank you. It was good to meet you. Good luck with the new bullets. Watch for the oblong holes.
For dimensions, search this site for 'xtreme' look for the 9mm test review.
For the precision delta bullet, go to the 'xtp project' thread.
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on your xtp project your LOA is 1.060" but the load data i showed u is 1.110. which one should i follow?
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on your xtp project your LOA is 1.060" but the load data i showed u is 1.110. which one should i follow?
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1.060 with the PRECISION DELTA BULLET will simulate factory dimension spec for hornady xtp ammo.
1.100 with the XTREME PLATED HP is about the correct oal for that bullet.
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ok. thanks. i will try make it close to your LOA since im using tru blue with 6.0 gr instead of 5.5 gr
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aloha everyone, i just received my lee pro auto disk powder measure and lee adjustable charge bar. it meters my Ramshot True Blue better. still calibrating to 5.9 gr. but it seems like it hard to get the right gr i want. always like 5.8 or 6.0 gr
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pics
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Congrats on your reloading setup.
Nice workbench.
I see your hammer too.
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well i guess im goin to stick on 5.8 safer than 6.0 since my max is 6.1 gr
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Congrats on your reloading setup.
Nice workbench.
I see your hammer too.
yes. i got my frankford bullet puller and its not fun to redo 35 casing. it was under charged before tp 5.2 gr. very low to min of 5.7 gr of true blue
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yes. i got my frankford bullet puller and its not fun to redo 35 casing. it was under charged before tp 5.2 gr. very low to min of 5.7 gr of true blue
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You're getting there.
Finding powder sucks big time tho...
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wth. im realoding my remaining 115 hornady bullet today and when i prime this FC NT brass, 1 winchester primer didnt seat right.
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wth. im realoding my remaining 115 hornady bullet today and when i prime this FC NT brass, 1 winchester primer didnt seat right.
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I'd like to take a look at that and do some measurements
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the FC stamp brass seat perfect but FC NT stamp seems like a narrow hole to seat the small primer
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so i measured the primer pocket of 3 type of brass. speer 9mm =0.174", FC stamp 9mm= 0.173", and FC NT 9mm= 0.168"
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so i measured the primer pocket of 3 type of brass. speer 9mm =0.174", FC stamp 9mm= 0.173", and FC NT 9mm= 0.168"
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I just read a post on ar15.com from 2009 describing that problem. Small pocket diameter.
Toss it. Then look in your brass bucket for more.
There was a similar problem with some 45acp brass using small primers instead of standard large.
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I have run into the small primer pocket problem with some brands of brass. I have tried reaming as well as other things so I didn't waste the brass. It was so much trouble I tossed every piece that isn't loaded.
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i was bored today and nothing to reload. so i decided to tumble my brother's .223 and .308 brass. it came out nice and shinny.
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i sucks at shooting.
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i sucks at shooting.
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At least you are honest. LOL
I could probably help you out with that too.
But it would have to be a range session. I got jedi mind tricks.
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yeah. i suck so much. with the new reload i did. so much muzzle flip compare to the 115 hornady at 6.0 gr true blue
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im here at WGS and the only powder they have for pistol is vihtavouri N105. does it work on 124 gr head? he said it work good on 147 gr head
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The Vihtavouri website only mentions N105 powder for bullets 130gr and heavier.
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after lemuel from pistol range officer help me zeroed my sights again. i have some good shots.
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im here at WGS and the only powder they have for pistol is vihtavouri N105. does it work on 124 gr head? he said it work good on 147 gr head
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Those guys told me they did not have any pistol powder.
N105 is perfect for my 10mm. Was it more than 40.00 per pound?
It is good that lem coached you.
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the filipino guy was on the counter that time and the old guys are sitting outside. he showed me what they have on stock
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i found a replacement for my tumbler jug. it is a protein shake container and added the plastic divider inside and secured it with a rivets.
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hello everyone, i got a 1lb of Hodgdon Clays. i need some help finding a good recipe for 124 gr PHP from xtreme. Lemuel from KHSC range officer is using Clays 3.1 gr with 124 coated lead from SNS on his 9mm. just wondering if you guys have any input. thanks in advance
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hello everyone, i got a 1lb of Hodgdon Clays. i need some help finding a good recipe for 124 gr PHP from xtreme. Lemuel from KHSC range officer is using Clays 3.1 gr with 124 coated lead from SNS on his 9mm. just wondering if you guys have any input. thanks in advance
I don't have any personal experience with Clays but from the Hodgon's website they recommend a maximum of 3.0gr of Clays with 124gr bullet. They recommend a starting load of 2.7gr which is 10% of their recommended maximum. I would recommend you start with 2.7gr and work up from there.
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thanks inspector, i have pistol data here from hodgdon, it says here 125 gr. SIE FMJ, COL= 1.090" and under Clays= 3.7 gr with Velocity of 1056 and 32,500 CUP
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how do you guys normally add increments from min load to max?
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how do you guys normally add increments from min load to max?
With the very small volume of the 9mms pistol case I would increase by .2-.3 grains or so to the maximum, watching closely the primer for pressure signs, major increase of recoil, case bodies.
Look to pressure with a few test cases first, maybe 5 rounds at each increment. That way you are not wasting a bunch of ammo on loads that won't work. If you encounter pressure signs, stop there and call that MAX for your gun.... every gun is different some can handle more than others.... When you are confident your gun is ok with the loads, look to best accuracy around the speed you are trying to achieve. Probably around where the RO is at.. they know their stuff.
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thanks heavies, i will make maybe 10 of each from min to max and try copy lemuels load data at 3.1 gr. thanks
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lemuel told me i can call him anytime when i go to the range so we can chrono my load and test them.
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today I tried my first reload of 3.0 of hodgdon clays and fail. case fail to eject and don't cycle. I ask tony he said its too low and try 3.4-3.6 gr
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I just stopped by today at WGS and the guy told me. they will be receiving powder tomorrow. but they have V3n37
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i fnally found the sweet soft recoil
G34 gen4 using #13 lbs ISMI spring and stainless steel guide rod
Load:
Powder: Hodgdon Clays
Charge: 3.4 gr
OAL: 1.130"
Crimp: 0.376"
Bullet: 124 gr Xtreme PHP
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next load, i will be using 124 gr HPCB that i bought last black friday sale
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next load, i will be using 124 gr HPCB that i bought last black friday sale
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Sounds like you got addicted to this hobby already.
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yes i am now. but sad i cant practice or shoot more often due to my work schedules.
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since i found a soft recoil load all i need now is to chrono them
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since i found a soft recoil load all i need now is to chrono them
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If it shoots straight, no need chrono unless you trying to make power factor for matches.
Or trying to simulate a service load.
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well im planning to experience a shooting match hope by next year if i can get more powder. thats why i also want what PF im in using current powder
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hey dave, question. on the factory bullet 115 gr. FMJ OAL is 1.153 and load data of 125 gr. SIE FMJ is 1.090. what should be my OAL for 124 gr RN-HPCB? i set 1 sample of 1.150 is ok or should i go a little shorter?. thanks
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Next visit at the range. I will try these load.
Primer: Winchester SPP
Brass: Mixed stamp
Bullet: xtreme 124 gr. HPCB
Powder: Bullseye
Charge: 4.2 gr
OAl: 1.140"
Primer: Winchester SPP
Brass: Mixed stamp
Bullet: xtreme 124 gr. HP
Powder: Bullseye
Charge: 4.2 gr
OAL: 1.100"
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Next visit at the range. I will try these load.
Primer: Winchester SPP
Brass: Mixed stamp
Bullet: xtreme 124 gr. HPCB
Powder: Bullseye
Charge: 4.2 gr
OAl: 1.140"
Primer: Winchester SPP
Brass: Mixed stamp
Bullet: xtreme 124 gr. HP
Powder: Bullseye
Charge: 4.2 gr
OAL: 1.100"
you going this weekend, mic?
looks like you got your winchester primers
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I still have my left over winchester SPP but I bought 1k of CCI from jaynick
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maybe. are u going Mac. if so can you chrono those load please.
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4.2 b e with those 124 gr bullets will easily make minimum power factor. FROM THE GLOCK 34.
the extra bbl length gives a little boost
Planning to go on monday with my son.
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maybe. are u going Mac. if so can you chrono those load please.
sorry, i don't have a chrono
wasn't intending on going, i was there for a little while this afternoon
but post when you are going, and maybe i can stop by
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hello OF. I tried those 4.3 but my Lee powder drop can't meter on 4.3 so I did at 4.2 gr using .46 cc on that lee Auto disk
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hello OF. I tried those 4.3 but my Lee powder drop can't meter on 4.3 so I did at 4.2 gr using .46 cc on that lee Auto disk
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Shoot on monday???
I'll bring the chrono.
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I'll try if I can able to swap with my co worker. I'll let u know
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Next visit at the range. I will try these load.
Primer: Winchester SPP
Brass: Mixed stamp
Bullet: xtreme 124 gr. HPCB
Powder: Bullseye
Charge: 4.2 gr
OAl: 1.140"
Primer: Winchester SPP
Brass: Mixed stamp
Bullet: xtreme 124 gr. HP
Powder: Bullseye
Charge: 4.2 gr
OAL: 1.100"
Where are you finding bullseye Powder?
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since LGS always run out of powder maybe in an hour after they posted. I got mine from a retired RO. whatever powder he have I develop a load for my g34 even without chrono as long as it cycles and shoot ok