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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: dirsh on July 05, 2014, 12:48:22 PM
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http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/07/03/army-wants-a-harder-hitting-pistol.html (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/07/03/army-wants-a-harder-hitting-pistol.html)
Curious to see what caliber they decide on
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I missed the .38 special revolvers carried by aircrews by 5-10 years, the M9 has been my sidearm for my entire career now. I am curious in what pistol and caliber they choose myself.
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Go back to 1911. Had it right the first time, imo. I don't see how one couldn't handle it, just need a bit more training, which should be, in any case..
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I can't understand the "can't handle the recoil argument."
My girlfriend wouldn't shoot a 9mm (AR ok) a few months ago. So I started with an sr22 handgun, then a g19 after a few mags, and finally a 1911 in 45. She was ok with it by the end of the day. Can't understand why anyone wouldn't be with a lot of gradual training.
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You gotta remember that 3 types of people become MPs:
1) People who want to be MPs because they dont know any better and want to be cops.
2) women who want to be as close to a combat MOS as possible
3) Shitbags who wash out or cant handle any other MOS.
The first two make up about 5-10% of the MP corps, and category 3, not surprisingly, makes up the other 90-95%. These are the same people who are lazy assholes, who find no motivation to train or be effective, tactically and technically proficient police officers or soldiers, and are there because they just need a pay check.
Considering this, its not surprising that the command has no faith in the MP corps when it comes to soldiering or firepower superiority, because for the most part, many of my 'associates' couldnt tell their asshole from their elbow, let alone understand or have the technical skill/ability, understand the significance or advantage of having a harder hitting weapon system, or possess the motivation/desire to train on the .45
That makes sense. Sorry to hear that's the truth, but it makes sense.
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I think the efforts should go into marksmanship training first.
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Sig p320, as it is a modular handgun system, which is what they currently are looking for
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FN Five Seven should be considered. :thumbsup:
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FN Five Seven should be considered. :thumbsup:
holds 20-30 rounds, lighter then a lot of the other guns out there, more reliable then a lot of guns out there, great flat shooting bullet (easily able to hit targets out to past 120 yards off hand) with a great reputation of stopping/killing humans, and no recoil... what else could you want?
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holds 20-30 rounds, lighter then a lot of the other guns out there, more reliable then a lot of guns out there, great flat shooting bullet (easily able to hit targets out to past 120 yards off hand) with a great reputation of stopping/killing humans, and no recoil... what else could you want?
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120 yds offhand?? I am impressed.
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Go back to 1911. Had it right the first time, imo. I don't see how one couldn't handle it, just need a bit more training, which should be, in any case..
Like the Marine Corps.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/semper-fi-colt-m45a1-cqbp-marine-pistol-review/ (http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/semper-fi-colt-m45a1-cqbp-marine-pistol-review/)
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I doubt we are going to see any major changeover from the current M9s. Maybe for a few of the high speed groups, an maybe for the MPs an guards... but definitely not Army wide.
The pistol plays such a small role in war when compared to a rifle to begin with.
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Are MP's allowed to use expanding bullets? I would assume they're not subject to the Hague Convention.
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A few thoughts....
1 - NATO considerations.
2 - Money (which will be a lot) to revamp a weapon / caliber that few in reality carry. Select units may have their own procurement and higher levels of training, so for the big Army perhaps that investment should go towards training or how to actually shoot a pistol and marksmanship.
3 - A .45 ACP in a modern polymer weapon like the HK45, Glock, M&P or FN would be a good option.
4 - Yes I am a 1911 guy, but the 1911 is not a good option IMO.
5 - 9mm is highly effective.
6 - M9's despite anyone's individual feelings / experiences have been boringly reliable as a whole.
7 - FMJ has its own drawbacks but given the restriction, any handgun caliber round likely chosen will not be anything more magical. Handgun rounds as a whole are not ideal and most commonly accepted calibers for defensive purposes are all very similar terminally. Intermediate barrier considerations are legit.
8 - 100% agree with Q's assessment. I remember when the pistol option was a 1911, 1 mag with only 6 rounds allowed and pistol carried unloaded.
9 - Disagree on the 5.7.