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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bota-CS1 on July 28, 2014, 08:43:26 AM

Title: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 28, 2014, 08:43:26 AM
Feel free to give your best argument as to why you believe your choice should come out on top.  Just keep it civil.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: drck1000 on July 28, 2014, 09:01:57 AM
My experience with bullpups are limited.  I've only shot the Steyr AUG, FS2000, Tavor and the P90.  For me, it would be a toss up between the FS2000 and the Tavor, but my vote went to the FS2000 for being suitable for ambi use.  Yes, the Tavor can be configured to eject either side and a left "can" shoot a Tavor configured for a right side eject, but it's enough that it would be a significant nuisance to many shooters.  The Tavor is on the heavy side, but I think it's a solid gun. 

Not sure, but IIRC the FS2000 only like USGI mags.  I've shot the Tavor with Troy polymer mags, but not PMags.

Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: dogman on July 28, 2014, 07:12:44 PM
No PS 90? Ammo seems to be more available.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Bcspy on July 28, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
I love my FDE Tavor "The Reaper"  Very accurate.  For defensive drills, for me being small frame person, the tavor is well balanced for cqb.  Just don't stand next to me, because the GoGun supercomp xl is very loud. Just waiting for the geissele trigger pack to become available.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: new guy on July 28, 2014, 07:44:10 PM
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Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: dafrtknocker on July 28, 2014, 08:48:34 PM
Didn't they just have this on the Outdoor channel. They had the pro and cons of all bullpups, but the Tavor was a improvement on all the others, plus my wife wants one.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 28, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
No PS 90? Ammo seems to be more available.

I consider the ps 90 to be a pdw rather than a "rifle" due to the ammo it uses.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: BLKDRGN on July 28, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
Considering the Tavor is leading, is this before anyone does a trigger job? 12lbs for the stock trigger is pretty heavy.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 28, 2014, 10:20:39 PM
Didn't they just have this on the Outdoor channel. They had the pro and cons of all bullpups, but the Tavor was a improvement on all the others, plus my wife wants one.

I think I saw that episode too.  It might have been Gun Stories or something.  But I'm interested in what you guys think. 
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Bcspy on July 29, 2014, 07:17:44 AM
Considering the Tavor is leading, is this before anyone does a trigger job? 12lbs for the stock trigger is pretty heavy.

I took out the small return spring and measure at 8 pounds. I have a friend with the Timney Trigger pack and he really like it and it's about 4 pounds.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: drck1000 on July 29, 2014, 08:21:40 AM
Considering the Tavor is leading, is this before anyone does a trigger job? 12lbs for the stock trigger is pretty heavy.
That was one thing that I didn't like about the Tavor.  I guess I could get used to it, but it was also a frequent comment from those to tried the Tavor for the first time. 
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Mr. Farknocker on July 29, 2014, 10:17:07 AM
They all look pretty sweet to me. Aside from the F2000, steyr and Tavor, are the rest available for sale to the civilian market?
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: BLKDRGN on July 29, 2014, 03:25:13 PM
That was one thing that I didn't like about the Tavor.  I guess I could get used to it, but it was also a frequent comment from those to tried the Tavor for the first time.

When me and my wife tried it we thought it was broken. I was telling her the safety must be on or something is broken. lol. The built in iron sights is cool though. I'm just mentioning this cause if this poll is purely stock or after modifications? I like the steyr and had absolutely zero problems but the charging handle sucks and it clanks a lot. Terrible design but after changing it, it works wonders.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: BLKDRGN on July 29, 2014, 03:30:11 PM
I took out the small return spring and measure at 8 pounds. I have a friend with the Timney Trigger pack and he really like it and it's about 4 pounds.

Yup I took mines out. Only had it not reset once in the beginning. After that it's been smooth. knock on wood. For the Timney it's been out of stock for months. This is one of the cheapest places I found it and don't forget to tack on 5% discount for military or Leo. Put yourself on the waiting list. http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Timney_IWI_Tavor_Trigger_Assembly_4lb_Solid_Trigge_p/tt-680.htm (http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Timney_IWI_Tavor_Trigger_Assembly_4lb_Solid_Trigge_p/tt-680.htm)
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: korupt on July 29, 2014, 04:34:00 PM
what about the ZK 22 where you can put in your own 22 rifle in a bullpup configuration, now thats pretty good
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: sworbeyegib on July 29, 2014, 05:21:05 PM
Haven't shot any of them, but from the few I have handled I will have to go with the Tavor.  Plus it has a solid reputation behind it.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Bigkahuna808 on July 29, 2014, 08:04:42 PM
what about the ZK 22 where you can put in your own 22 rifle in a bullpup configuration, now thats pretty good

Is that the red jacket one?  Its a 10/22 its gonna be reliable.   Only as good as u build it.  Heard they still have a massive back order they cant keep up with.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: korupt on July 29, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
So thats two things cant hardly get the ZK md the10/22 ammo gee im goina start throwing rocks at people soon

Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Barrett808 on October 16, 2014, 04:55:11 PM
Old topic but really like my Keltech RFB in 308. Got the best factory trigger that I felt and accurate too.
Over all lenght is about 4" shorter than my AK under folder.
Pic of my Bro playing.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/17/amyby6yz.jpg)

And it's a super brush carbine.O0
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: robtmc on October 16, 2014, 06:29:08 PM
Never shot one.  Had enough issues going from M1/M14 to AR type stocks.  Learned a rock solid offhand technique with the M1/M14 that did not translate to AR.  Sucks when you can nail 10/10 bulls at 200 meters slow fire, and lose that trick you learned.  Tight slings are magic on the range.

Heck, do the the AR guys even shoot 200 meters these days? Or offhand, for that matter?

Can't imagine what contortion the classic firing positions would be like with Bullpups.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: robtmc on October 16, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
Considering the Tavor is leading, is this before anyone does a trigger job? 12lbs for the stock trigger is pretty heavy.
Good God, did you think you left the safety on for a while? 

Been there, done that...........
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: Barrett808 on October 16, 2014, 07:28:36 PM
Love hunting and shoot mostly off hand. Don't care much for bipods either only my 338Lapua & M82 have two feet. Not much of a AR fan own one, shoot mostly bolt and lever actions.
Just like this bulpup because it so short, fast handling & has respectable power all you need when seeking game in the thick.
Don't know why keltech limits production and focuses on their 12Ga.
Didn't think much of brand but really like this carbine.
Really wish we could shoot farther like the good ole days.
Title: Re: Battle of the Bullpups
Post by: jonjon on October 16, 2014, 10:20:07 PM
Never shot one.  Had enough issues going from M1/M14 to AR type stocks.  Learned a rock solid offhand technique with the M1/M14 that did not translate to AR.  Sucks when you can nail 10/10 bulls at 200 meters slow fire, and lose that trick you learned.  Tight slings are magic on the range.

Heck, do the the AR guys even shoot 200 meters these days? Or offhand, for that matter?

Can't imagine what contortion the classic firing positions would be like with Bullpups.

Hey robtmc - come check out the Marine Corps Pacific Division Match next feb, you can participate as a civilian and all firearms and ammo will be provided. First course of fire is standing at 200 yards with an m16a4  :shaka:

For the bullpups I have only shot the f2000 - not really into bullpups and would take my AR over any bullpup but that's just me   :thumbsup: