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General Topics => Strategies and Tactics => Topic started by: new guy on July 31, 2014, 06:07:46 PM
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Well if you showed up to the Hdf range day you would know how hard we train that scenario. :shaka: the next one I would really like to see you come out. Its going to be a special one! O0 but for me frequency every time I practice at home which is almost daily dry fire and at least once a month during live fire
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Was just talking to macsak about that... date already established? Going to have to do some juggling, but want to make it to the next one.
Also, please expand on "train at home." SIRT? Airsoft? Dry-fire?
And please see my somewhat related post in the "Special" portion of the forum. :shaka:
hdf range days are always the last saturday of the month
"some members of this forum" i won't specify who (one of their names rhymes with "flirtychickens") do special "tactical bvd drills" practicing clearing their house if awoken by an intruder alert
SIRT trainers are pretty cool, especially if you have a glock
personally, i have the laserlyte targeting system to use at home
dry fire is the next best thing
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I do one-handed.. haven't tried weak side.
Good idea though. I'm pretty right hand dominant so probably do it with the 22 first to make sure it doesn't jump out of my hand :thumbsup:
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hdf range days are always the last saturday of the month
"some members of this forum" i won't specify who (one of their names rhymes with "flirtychickens") do special "tactical bvd drills" practicing clearing their house if awoken by an intruder alert
SIRT trainers are pretty cool, especially if you have a glock
personally, i have the laserlyte targeting system to use at home
dry fire is the next best thing
How do you like the LaserLyte? I am a glock owner myself so I may splurge for the SIRT's at some point. They're pricey, but I figure they'd let you do indoor practice (which unless you have access to a shoot house, is essentially impossible here).
The SIRT AR Bolt looks pretty interesting too, especially since it has the resetting trigger.
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How do you like the LaserLyte? I am a glock owner myself so I may splurge for the SIRT's at some point. They're pricey, but I figure they'd let you do indoor practice (which unless you have access to a shoot house, is essentially impossible here).
The SIRT AR Bolt looks pretty interesting too, especially since it has the resetting trigger.
i like the laserlyte trainer
i have the older, bigger model
but have tried all 3
out of them all, i much prefer the model that comes with the 2 smaller targets
the cans, while fun, require you (or your kids) to reset themselves after every round
the big target is, well, big, and static
the 2 smaller targets blink randomly and can be placed at differing distances and angles
i have the "in the barrel" laser, but i would recommend the "in the chamber" type unless you have multiple calibers you want to practice with
plus in the barrel type enable you to holster and draw
SIRT is awesome if you have a glock
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I occasionally practice weak hand only pistol shooting. I was just doing that a few weeks ago.
It is tough, especially with full power 45 acp. But you gotta do it cuz you never know...
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The dot torture drill is good practice. HDF normally does it during their pistol courses.
•Dot 1 – Draw and fire one string of 5 rounds for best group. One hole if possible, total 5 rounds.
•Dot 2 – Draw and fire 1 shot, holster and repeat X4, total 5 rounds.
•Dots 3 & 4 – Draw and fire 1 shot on #3, then 1 shot on #4, holster and repeat X3, total 8 rounds.
•Dot 5 – Draw and fire string of 5 rounds, strong hand only, total 5 rounds.
•Dots 6 & 7 – Draw and fire 2 shots on #6, then 2 on #7, holster, repeat X4, total 16 rounds.
•Dot 8 – From ready or retention, fire five shots, weak hand only, total 5 rounds.
•Dots 9 & 10 – Draw and fire 1 shot on #9, speed reload, fire 1 shot on #10, holster and repeat X3, total 6 rounds.
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i like the laserlyte trainer
i have the older, bigger model
but have tried all 3
out of them all, i much prefer the model that comes with the 2 smaller targets
the cans, while fun, require you (or your kids) to reset themselves after every round
the big target is, well, big, and static
the 2 smaller targets blink randomly and can be placed at differing distances and angles
i have the "in the barrel" laser, but i would recommend the "in the chamber" type unless you have multiple calibers you want to practice with
plus in the barrel type enable you to holster and draw
SIRT is awesome if you have a glock
Good tip on the cans vs big target - I didn't think of that, thanks!
I have a 17 so a SIRT Pro would let me train exactly.. hm.. maybe in a month or so.. been spending more than I like this month. :oops:
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I do one-handed.. haven't tried weak side.
Good idea though. I'm pretty right hand dominant so probably do it with the 22 first to make sure it doesn't jump out of my hand :thumbsup:
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Brothers, try weak hand unsupported slow fire at the bullseye range first. If you use full power ammo, it will toss your hand all over the place like no electronic simulator ever will.
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I never have cared for the term "weak side." It's not that I've got some politically correct rub against it, I think the term is accurate enough. It's just I don't see anything weak about being on the wrong end of a gun, regardless of which hand someone is holding it with. If there's a loaded gun in your hand, that's your strong side!
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What are the bulls-eye hours anyway?
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Do you do one-handed pistol shooting?
Weak side?
Point shooting?
How often?
Quite often on all counts, except for I do not prefer the term "point shooting". Yes forms of this happens and is taught, but it can have multiple definitions of actual shooting techniques from trainer to trainer. Perhaps it is more so come to imply a negative connotation in legal surroundings.
I still carry a weapon professionally and a big part of my job is teaching, so it is a necessity, however I would do it anyway. I just spent the last 5 months where I was seeing 40 students per week for two, 2 day courses per week and these topics are covered, so needless to say I got a lot of reps in. Outside of teaching, I often find myself taking base level courses in order to keep up certain certifications. I am good with this as the opportunity to work and hone fundamentals is never a bad thing. Plus I always learn something, if not from the course material, sometimes from the instructor or from a student. If nothing else, you often learn or reinforce why some instructors, teaching techniques or old school principles may indeed suck and why evolution is a good thing.
Because of these opportunities to work things that are not the most "fun", I have gone through courses completely utilizing my support side as the primary side. I am of the stance that the more you learn and can become proficient with, the better off you will be. There is a caveat to that, in that you must first have the time and resources, plus your base fundamentals should be sound. If time and resources are limited and your base fundamentals are not sound, then you might be better off working on honing base fundamentals first, as in primary side, two hands, good sight alignment and sight picture with the correct application of the trigger.
I will also note that I picked up a SIRT Pro awhile back and we now have them for our training group. Great training aids when used properly and followed up with additional dry and live fire drills.
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Due to a kind of major injury I suffered a couple of months ago to my right hand, I have been learning to shoot left handed. I pretty much got the rifle shooting down. Been shooting strictly left handed and using my left eye. The handgun part is a little tougher. Shooting left handed unsupported with a 1911 is not as easy as I thought. I'll need to spend a whole lot more time working on it. Gonna suck if I have to switch to a left handed holster.
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Due to a kind of major injury I suffered a couple of months ago to my right hand, I have been learning to shoot left handed. I pretty much got the rifle shooting down. Been shooting strictly left handed and using my left eye. The handgun part is a little tougher. Shooting left handed unsupported with a 1911 is not as easy as I thought. I'll need to spend a whole lot more time working on it. Gonna suck if I have to switch to a left handed holster.
Patience. With practice you can shoot equally well with either hand.
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I've seen some people shoot better weak-hand because they have to concentrate more on trigger squeeze and the weak hand does not remember bad habits that the strong hand developed. Moderate strength training excercises for grip and shoulder helps. Point of impact is way different though.
But at closer ranges, it doesn't matter much.
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Is it a general practice that one would switch to non-dominant eye, when shooting weak-side?
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I don't think so.
Personally, I am RH-Right eye but when I shoot lefty, I cant the pistola towards my right eye.
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Right now, I'm shooting close range with 2 eyes open. Out to 20-25 yards takes some concentration. Seems to work for me.
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Is it a general practice that one would switch to non-dominant eye, when shooting weak-side?
There are no hard and fast rules here, but the general guideline is to treat it just like a cross dominance situation. Continue to use the dominant eye and learn to bring the weapon into the line of sight of the dominant eye and avoid bringing the head to the weapon.
For myself, I am the exception, in that I am ambi-ocular in that I do not have a dominant eye. Both eyes share similar dominance traits and from one part of the day to the next I can have dominance switch between eyes. This also wreaks havoc on trying to shoot two eyes wide open on a dual plane sight (irons), red dots are not an issue. Because of this situation and not necessarily knowing which eye is going to be dominant at that moment so I automatically squint to force dominance to whichever side I chose. I will use the same eye as the side that I am shooting from and squint the opposite eye.
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I never have cared for the term "weak side." It's not that I've got some politically correct rub against it, I think the term is accurate enough. It's just I don't see anything weak about being on the wrong end of a gun, regardless of which hand someone is holding it with. If there's a loaded gun in your hand, that's your strong side!
here's a video that was linked on hkpro today that is appropriate to this discussion
in this video, it's "other strong hand"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVHykd3zTU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVHykd3zTU)
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After a few courses, I've come to refer to them as strong side and support side. Avoid calling shooting from my left side as weak since you shouldn't have a weak side. Yeah, it's largely mindset, but yes, if you train and shoot regularly from both sides, then in theory there would not be a weak side. When I was shooting often, I was fairly comfortable shooting with both hands, but moreso with the carbine. Where I really can tell a difference is in the reloads or malfunction clearance. You also have to be careful/mindful if you're using a sling on when you transfer sides, how you do it and where your sling ends up. I've since switched up how my sling is secured to the gun after getting caught up in a couple courses of fire in a carbine class.
For handgun, I'll slide the gun over to shoot with my dominant right eye. For carbine with red dot, I'll usually wink (or squint slightly) my right eye just before putting my cheek on the gun and once my left eye picks up the dot, I'm good to go. It's like once the left eye picks up the dot, it sort of locks onto it.
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always a struggle here and I hate my friggin' lopsided contact prescriptions can't get it right still. naturally right eye dominant but have cross eye dominant at times. so I squint to force either side but would like to play with support side + right eye and not squinting to force the left as usual. long gun the eye matches the firing hand but am not ambi by any stretch. would do better just throwing gernades. ::)
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Lots of shooting classes go into one arm shooting but manipulation with a firearm one handed should also be discussed/taught in a controlled environment. Out of a few classes I have been too in Washington and Cali only one discussed and went through the course of fire with one handed operation.
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The dot torture drill is good practice. HDF normally does it during their pistol courses.
•Dot 1 – Draw and fire one string of 5 rounds for best group. One hole if possible, total 5 rounds.
•Dot 2 – Draw and fire 1 shot, holster and repeat X4, total 5 rounds.
•Dots 3 & 4 – Draw and fire 1 shot on #3, then 1 shot on #4, holster and repeat X3, total 8 rounds.
•Dot 5 – Draw and fire string of 5 rounds, strong hand only, total 5 rounds.
•Dots 6 & 7 – Draw and fire 2 shots on #6, then 2 on #7, holster, repeat X4, total 16 rounds.
•Dot 8 – From ready or retention, fire five shots, weak hand only, total 5 rounds.
•Dots 9 & 10 – Draw and fire 1 shot on #9, speed reload, fire 1 shot on #10, holster and repeat X3, total 6 rounds.
Ive heard about this but never tried it, gonna try it tomorrow morning and see how I do.