Post by: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 01:01:50 PM
I don't own a Glock so I thought it was about time I got one. It seems like EVERBODY I know owns one.
It would be in 9mm ONLY just for testing, casual target practice and familiarity. I do not intend to seriously compete any more.
So to all of you gents who actually own a 9mm Glock and shoot it somewhat regularly, I ask:
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
2- Would you buy it again?
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
4- What did you NOT like about it?
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
7- express any other pertinent comment
Again, I am directing this survey towards experienced 9MM Glock owners ONLY.
I thank you all in advance for your help.
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Post by: robtmc on October 28, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Post by: Rocky on October 28, 2014, 01:52:11 PM
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
I have a Gen 3 G19, wifey has the Gen 4 G17
The rest of the answers will be for both guns as we like to keep things the same, no matter which we pick up
2- Would you buy it again?
Definately :love:
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes
4- What did you NOT like about it?
Little bigger than others for CCW, but that ain't a real issue yet, but it does get heavy around the house and yard.
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Ghost (3.5) trigger job, $25.00, upgraded recoil springs $25.00 and yes, it's worth it.
We like the lighter 3.5# trigger better than the glock standard 5+# trigger.
Recoil springs changed as one failed du to OE (put in backwards and slide charged :wacko:
Also have Advantage Arms .22 conversions for both which makes training ALOT cheaper.
Piss off a bunch of .22 support hand, on the move etc... then swap out to 9mm in seconds and go again.
Great for muscle memory.
Paid slightly over $240 for them back then, now running around $325
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
na
7- express any other pertinent comment
I too originally thought ... "Oh Gee, a plastic gun. That'll never last".
It's like the AK of pistols, run'm dirty and the still go !
At home I keep the only G19 mag in it's well and all additional mags scattered about are for the G17 which still fit the G19 for obvious reasons.
Again, I am directing this survey towards experienced 9MM Glock owners ONLY.
Ooops, should have read the whole post first ! :rofl:
I thank you all in advance for your help. :shaka:
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pew, pew,.... pew
Post by: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 02:20:45 PM
That's the kind of feedback I can use.
Post by: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
Had a Gen1 17 in 9mm long ago, now a Gen4 30 in .45, so guess I cannot help you....
If you shot your gen1 a lot, take a look at the questions again and relate your experiences.
Mahalo plenty
Post by: Jl808 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
Post by: macsak on October 28, 2014, 02:53:30 PM
Hi Oldfart, I'm not a Glock owner. But you may want to get an aftermarket barrel since Glock barrels supposedly do not like reloads. Supposed to be something to do with the hexagonal rifling.
i know on HKs, they say the cast lead reloads (not fmj) are what cause problems with hexagonal rifling
Post by: robtmc on October 28, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
...OK, if you trust my memory that much...
If you shot your gen1 a lot, take a look at the questions again and relate your experiences.
Mahalo plenty
1. It was definitely a Gen 1, did not have finger grooves or even the checkering on front and back of grip. 17 rd mags, being SoCal in the mid 80s.
2. Well, yes, I did, but not in 9mm.
3. Other than the trigger, yes.
4. Trigger, and the Gen1 grip could get slippery without any checkering, just the light pebble texture.
5. Added an early Ghost trigger bar and shaved down the safety lever on the trigger face so it did not dig into the finger on prolonged firing sessions. Maybe $20 at the time.
6. It came with Glock plastic adjustable sights. I found them adequate if not very quick to pick up. Did not do any adjusting of them after initial.
7. No other comments. Drifted away from the 9mm as I had always been a 1911 guy. My biggest issue was with the trigger coming from the SA 1911, but with familiarity came more comfort with it. Probably could have left it alone and just learned it better.
Almost bought a Gen3 22 .40 at a great price because it felt so familiar and good in the hand, but did not like what I have heard about the .40. I am sold on the solid Glock reliability.
Post by: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 04:30:12 PM
Hi Oldfart, I'm not a Glock owner. But you may want to get an aftermarket barrel since Glock barrels supposedly do not like reloads. Supposed to be something to do with the hexagonal rifling....
Like mac sez...!There was some warning about running lead bullets down the poly barrels.
I gave up running lead 9mm many years ago. Not because of glocks.
It's just more finicky to get lead to perform in the 9mm.
That's a whole different topic.
Post by: Surf on October 28, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
Gents,
I don't own a Glock so I thought it was about time I got one. It seems like EVERBODY I know owns one.
It would be in 9mm ONLY just for testing, casual target practice and familiarity. I do not intend to seriously compete any more.
So to all of you gents who actually own a 9mm Glock and shoot it somewhat regularly, I ask:
I used to shoot more Sig Sauer but now I shoot more rounds out of a Glock pistol than all other pistols combined. Those who know me understand that I shoot a G17 regularly, but I was very heavy Glock intensive the last 8 months with a huge student base and I personally fired A LOT 9mm rounds via a Gen 4 Glock 17 this year alone.
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
All 9mm models with multiples in all but the G26. They may range from Gen2's to Gen'4 but mostly Gen3's and 4's. Wife has a Gen3 G19, mother has a Gen 3 G34 and father has Gen4 G17.
2- Would you buy it again?
Yes, still buying Glocks. I am not married to any brand and I am hoping for a better pistol, but right now it is still Glock on top given my needs.
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes, but it is easy to make it better. Some people piss and moan when you alter a Glock or other polymer pistol, but commend you when you fully customize a 1911. Well a Glock can be easily customized for very noticeable results so fitting a Glock should be just as normal as a high end 1911.
4- What did you NOT like about it?
Don't like the pronounced hump and where it is located on the backstrap and how it interacts with the hand during trigger manipulation. Also do not like the trigger guard area as my "Glock knuckle" is very pronounced. Also do not like the finger grooves. On the upside, all of these things are easily changed and make a very noticeable difference.
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
See Below
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
I do not run adjustable sights on my Glock pistols.
7- express any other pertinent comment
See links that I provided for a wealth of reliable information.
Again, I am directing this survey towards experienced 9MM Glock owners ONLY.
I thank you all in advance for your help.
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My favorite by far is the G17 in a Generation 4. I do not have large hands and I don't use backstraps. I shoot stock Glock's without issue however I prefer;
- Over molded fiber optic front sight (green then red), all black serrated rear.
- Vickers slide stop lever.
- Undercut trigger guard
- Radiused / de-horned sides of trigger guard
- Index cut, bottom of trigger guard with texture
- Texture index points on frame flats
- Finger grooves removed
- Texture front strap. Gen 4's texture is excellent
- Slight heat reduction of backstrap hump.
- Re-shape Gen 4 magazine release with texture
- Grip plug blended to magwell
- Heat shaped magwell / speedwell
- Magazine clearance cut bottom of frontstrap
- Minus or dot connector with standard spring
- Non serrated Gen 3 Trigger bar
- Tune components, de-horn, polish, re-contour
The following links are good threads and from one of the best forum resources with some of the most knowledgeable people on pistol shooting, which includes many professional shooters and trainers. http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?86-What-I-do-to-my-Glocks-and-Why/page13 (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?86-What-I-do-to-my-Glocks-and-Why/page13). I comment in that thread also.
Here are some good related topics that are logged in that sites "Resource Area" as a sticky where I was asked to give comments on a topic that hits close on shooting the Glock specifically. This is the response http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13673-Thoughts-on-the-grip (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13673-Thoughts-on-the-grip) and this is the entire thread where that response came from http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13420-Trigger-finger-placement (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13420-Trigger-finger-placement)
It is hard to go wrong with a Glock. If you don't like it your not much into it and the resale is pretty good. Glocks, like anything else in life is not for everyone, but I will not that a good percentage of shooters, especially experienced shooters who switch to a Glock may have a shooting style or habits that do not translate well to the Glock and its personality. I can fix most if not all people having issues with the Glock but it is a tough thing to get over without correct help.
Post by: Inspector on October 28, 2014, 06:26:12 PM
When I got it I didn't like it because I was used to shooting an all steel 1911 style 9mm. Recoil was a lot more than that all steel brick I was used to. I had a hard time getting control of it at first. I have tried soft and +P loads through it. It prefers hot loads with 124 gr bullets. I can keep it in a 4" ring at 25 yards if I concentrate with a 2 hand hold.
I bought it because the 1911 style 9mm I had was becoming unreliable and it was hard to find parts for. It was not a true 1911 and made in France and not widely imported. I wanted something cheap and reliable. Glocks were all the rage back then. Would I buy it again? Given the same conditions I was in back then being broke and in too much debt. Yes I would. I bought a Sig P228 when I was in better shape financially. I would buy the Sig again if I could afford it.
For me I practiced a lot with the Glock and I can shoot it well. The trigger takes a lot getting used to. It is a good vanilla gun without much of a personality. It does what it is designed to do well and is as reliable as a semi auto can be. It is not terribly expensive for what it is. I added all the stuff to give it the personality and functionality I wished it came with. All I did to my Sig was add Hogue grips. But the Sig has the controls in the right spots for me so. The trigger is nice right out of the box. It has personality.
I have considered getting rid of my Glock. But I can't bring myself to it. After 10k rounds and being so familiar with it, how could I? I cannot say I love it, though. I know most people love their Glocks. It was my main self defense gun for many years. I feel I could trust my life with it. Oh, and I forgot to say, it is FUGLY.
You are welcome to borrow it for testing if you like.
Post by: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 08:09:35 PM
I hit the gold mine of info with bros. Surf and Inspector.
I appreciate the time and effort you fellas put into your essays.
It will take a little time to digest the info presented here.
Of course, anybody else is welcomed to relate their personal experiences.
I know there are a lot of glockheads out there.
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Post by: dogman on October 28, 2014, 09:59:00 PM
G17 gen 4 and G19 gen 4
2- Would you buy it again?
Yes
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes
4- What did you NOT like about it?
The finger grooves
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Only night sights on the G17, I don't shoot a night but nice to have, will do the G19 eventually
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Non adjustable
7- express any other pertinent comment
Sig 226 is my favorite, but been putting more rounds through the G19 lately. I thought I only liked full size handguns but the19 is a lot of fun to shoot. I don't shoot the 17 much since I got the 19. I still shoot the Sig better, but been improving with the 19. So far I don't mind it being totally stock.
Post by: coldpaint on October 30, 2014, 06:31:24 AM
2. I would buy only gen4 for the 19/26. I got slide bite especially when drawing from a holster. The gen 4's have an optional beaver tail. I LOVE the g26!
3. No problem gotta the box, don't really care for the stock rear "u" sight.
4. Rear sight. Slide bite.
For the g26 I put talon grips on it, its like skater tape, for extra grip when drawing. They can get a bit slick. Perhaps a non issue with the gen 4? Night sights, any sight to get rid of the rear u.
6. No adj sights.
7. G19 is meh. G26 is the best glock 9mm. Less felt recoil than the 19. G21 is an easy shooting 45. I sold both my blocks due to the slide bite issue but really want to get the g26 gen 4. Currently I use a s&w 9c. Its in between a g19&g26 in size. Don't really like its felt recoil but then again I haven't shot it enough to get used to it.
Post by: oldfart on October 30, 2014, 07:05:20 AM
It's also interesting that you mentioned less felt recoil with the short gun.
I have a similar observation with my 1911's.
I attribute that to the reduced velocity from the shorter bbls.
Speer addresses that issue with their line of sd ammo for short bbl guns.
Effective??? Eh....who really knows?
Post by: mic808 on October 30, 2014, 09:57:08 AM
2: yes im planning on getting a glock 17 for SD
3: yes it was the cheapest when i got from dangerclose tactical with 17 rds mag but was blocked due to hawaii law
4:
5: mods: lone wolf 3.5 lb trigger connector drop ins, 4 or 6 lbs ( i cant remember) power stricker spring, i polished the rest of the trigger mechanism that make contact with the trigger connector dawson precision adjustable rear and fiber optics front. is it worth it yes.
my next upgrade would be titanium/stainless steel guide rod with dual spring to reduce recoil.
Post by: Scar16 on October 30, 2014, 10:28:00 AM
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
G19 gen 4
2- Would you buy it again?
Definately
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yup
4- What did you NOT like about it?
Nothing
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
I modified the hell out of it, one of a kind glock 19! Hoping to get a photo in a magazine or something. I bought it for this purpose so I can bling the hell out of it. Glocks have the most aftermarket parts and cost effective! I'll show pics soon of my golden glock lol
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Zev tech steel sights, not adjustable but mainly for cosmetic purposes
7- express any other pertinent comment
I have many higher cost pistols like hk sig ..... But for the low cost and for the modification factor glocks are the way to go! Plus they are super easy to work on.
Post by: oldfart on October 30, 2014, 10:29:55 AM
1: glock 34 gen 4...
2: yes im planning on getting a glock 17 for SD
3: yes it was the cheapest when i got from dangerclose tactical with 17 rds mag but was blocked due to hawaii law
4:
5: mods: lone wolf 3.5 lb trigger connector drop ins, 4 or 6 lbs ( i cant remember) power stricker spring, i polished the rest of the trigger mechanism that make contact with the trigger connector dawson precision adjustable rear and fiber optics front. is it worth it yes.
my next upgrade would be titanium/stainless steel guide rod with dual spring to reduce recoil.
Mahalo bruddah mic
Post by: aieahound on October 30, 2014, 12:59:05 PM
Hey O.F.
Partially stolen from Rocky's post. ( solid guy by the way. )
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
I have a Gen 3 G17
2- Would you buy it again?
Definately :love: +1
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes
Got it used and it still kicks ass.
4- What did you NOT like about it?
Not a carry gun but that's not why I got it. ( Got an M&P shield for that when it becomes legal )
Pretty stiff trigger.
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Ghost (3.5) trigger job, $25.00, and yes it was worth it.
I was worried about the light trigger pull at first but it's got a pretty long take up and short reset, so it seems safe and functional.
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
na
7- express any other pertinent comment
It's the gun I shoot most accurately and recoil is almost non-existent.
It's the only hand gun my 14 year old daughter can shoot and consistently hit the big silhouette plate at 25 yards with. Even she loves it.
Post by: drck1000 on October 30, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
2 - 17 Gen 4 (one black and one FDE)
1 - 34 Gen 4
2- Would you buy it again?
Yes
Will likely eventually expand to different calibers. If CCW, I'd get a 19.
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes
4- What did you NOT like about it?
Stock sights, but easily taken care of.
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Sights and Vickers/TD mag release. I have the extended slide catch/release that comes with the 34 on both 17s, but that's pretty minor. I also have the grip plug on all three, I think TD, but I could do without.
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Fixed sights. Trijicon HD on 34 and RedBack One/10-8 on both 17s.
7- express any other pertinent comment
I have kept my Glocks pretty much stock. I have friends numerous friends who have encouraged me to stipple, change trigger, etc. Even to the point of offering to change or stipple for me, but I've just kept things stock. Maybe one day I'll buy a used project gun or two and do stuff like stipple and swap triggers, but I just don't want to head that direction now. More to save money, time, etc and not start down the path than anything else. Haha
Post by: hepcat96821 on October 31, 2014, 11:01:21 AM
2. Yes. I have a 40 cal G22 Gen 3 as well, and I would not buy this one again just because I havent been able to get comfortable with the grip, after owning it for a few years.
3. Yes
4. I did not like the sights.
5. I modded the hell out of it. I changed every spring in the gun, put in a ghost rocket connector, added the extended slide release, and the extended takedown bar. And I have a titanium striker. The mods were worth it for me. However, after about 700 rounds, I had one light primer strike, so I put the factory striker spring back in. I initially considered changing everything back to stock, but its not what I would consider my defensive firearm, I have others that fill this role.
6. The sights I have are Truglo TROs or something like that TFO, maybe.
I would say to look into both the gen 3 and gen 4 models. The grip is a little different between models. The gen 4 has a more aggressive grip texture, that is comfortable, and not too aggressive to the point where it really digs into your hand. All of the mods I made took less then an hour to finish. The gen 3 glock 22 I own, has the same modifications I made to my g17, with a extended magazine release. I bought a .357 sig barrel for it, and a threaded .40 sw barrel for it as well. I wanted the extra threaded barrel for the added chamber support.
Post by: robtmc on October 31, 2014, 07:39:13 PM
2. Yes. I have a 40 cal G22 Gen 3 as well, and I would not buy this one again just because I havent been able to get comfortable with the grip, after owning it for a few years.Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.
After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff. Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already. That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s. No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.
I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it. While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price. That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17. This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.
Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you. If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.
Post by: TastesLikeMetal on November 01, 2014, 12:21:14 AM
Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.
After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff. Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already. That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s. No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.
I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it. While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price. That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17. This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.
Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you. If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.
Don't forget the Glock 41, also 45acp.
http://us.glock.com/products/model/g41gen4 (http://us.glock.com/products/model/g41gen4)
Post by: mauidog on November 01, 2014, 01:03:57 AM
All Gen 4:
G17
G26
G42
G30
2- Would you buy it again?
Yes on 3 of them. "Maybe" on the G30.
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes for all, but always room for improvement
4- What did you NOT like about it?
G26 - ejecting brass at shooter's face intermittently. Seems like a common Gen4 issue that has improved, but not all models are 100%.
G30 - Very wide grip (no added backstrap -- .45ACP double-stack mag). I'm thinking because it's such a compact model, Glock made the grip thicker to compensate.
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
G26 - drop-in replacement trigger, steel guide rod and new spring, same trigger-pull weight as factory trigger, but added improved ejector and safety plunger, metal plate to replace plastic plate on rear of slide, Crimson Trace Red Laser Sight on rear of grip (pressure activated), extension on mag plate to add room on grip for pinky. Came with 3-dot night sites.
G17 - drop-in replacement trigger, lighter (4.0 lb) trigger-pull, added improved ejector and safety plunger, added 3-dot night sights.
The new triggers are OEM Glock triggers that have been polished to a blinding sheen from the site GlockTriggers.com. Kept my stock triggers in case I decide to go back to them. And since the triggers are OEM, they keep you compliant with the USPSA production class specs.
G42 - again, pinky extensions for the mags. 3-dot night sights.
G30 - totally stock. The mags for this one actually provide an extension for pinky-placement! Came with night sites. Have used it for open carry. For a sub-compact, it's kind of big and bulky.
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
No adjustables. I always replace the plastic factory sites if it comes with.
7- express any other pertinent comment
The G17 fits my hand the best. I almost need the smallest backstrap added, but it's fine without it.
G26 is a surprisingly effective 9mm in a small package. Not the smallest 9mm for carry, but standard mag hold 10rds, and you can use any other 9mm Glock mag with it, too.
My next Glock will be a G41. After that. G19. That assumes I don't see something I want more before I see the Glocks on sale!
Post by: oldfart on November 01, 2014, 05:48:34 AM
I am reading each post carefully and soaking it all in.
Yesterday I did spend some trigger time with a g17 gen4.
It was stock gun, but seemed fine to me.
Personally, I shot it about as well as I shoot any other pistol.
When I do pull the trigger on my next gun it will be a g17 gen4, regardless.
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Post by: s197 on November 01, 2014, 08:18:41 AM
Post by: mauidog on November 01, 2014, 08:45:21 AM
Interesting you mention getting hit in the head by brass, it happens quite frequently to my wife with my G17 gen4. I haven't had that issue yet.
This is pretty much the "brass in the face" synopsis in a good video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbgrioNpJSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbgrioNpJSA)
There are posts that give the old and new part numbers for the ejector. Glock started shipping with the new parts without really admitting a defect in the old parts, but if you send your pistol to them and they see the brass ejection problem exists, they will change out the parts to correct it.
I've only experienced this with 9mm, specifically the G26. I think only Gen4 9mm Glocks have been reported to have this issue.
My G17 seems to be fine. My G30 never had this problem (.45ACP). These two Glocks do have the new ejector part. The G26 had the old one until I bought the drop-in replacement trigger. Saw some improvement, but the issue is still there.
Post by: s197 on November 01, 2014, 09:40:46 AM
Post by: hepcat96821 on November 01, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.
After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff. Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already. That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s. No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.
I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it. While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price. That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17. This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.
Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you. If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.
The hump on the rear of the grip is a bit different between gen3 and gen 4 models. The gen 3 has a more pronounced hump in it, then the gen 4 that I have. I do not have any of the interchangeable back straps on my g17. I have large hands, some even call them bear paws, but I have never been fond of thick grips, even as a kid, i would strip the factory cushion grips off of bats, hockey sticks, tennis rackets etc... and wrap them with athletic tape. I can still hit with the g22 perfectly fine, but it doesnt fit my hand like the g17 does.
Post by: Surf on November 01, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
I have kept my Glocks pretty much stock. I have friends numerous friends who have encouraged me to stipple, change trigger, etc. Even to the point of offering to change or stipple for me, but I've just kept things stock. Maybe one day I'll buy a used project gun or two and do stuff like stipple and swap triggers, but I just don't want to head that direction now. More to save money, time, etc and not start down the path than anything else. HahaThat's where I was when I really started getting heavy into Glocks. I tweaked triggers a bit and changed sights but stayed away from frame mods until my Glock knuckle got so bad to the point of the finger being very painful in the joint. I started the modifications around the trigger guard by dehorning or radiusing it at first to alleviate the problem. Then noticing as I undercut the trigger guard, this shifted my hand in a manner that the finger grooves became an issue so those got removed, which the stippling followed suit. I still shoot my primary Gen4 G21 not modified due to employment restrictions and I shoot a stock Glock well, but I tend to equate fitting a Glock to your hand like fitting running shoes, Golf clubs or even custom 1911's. Small differences add up. But yes going down that road is a one way street. Once you see how nice it is there is no coming back. ;)
Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.For myself the grips in similar generations between 9mm and .40S&W are identical, however the .40 has a much more pronounced felt transfer of energy than the 9mm and even the .45ACP variants. Basically retro-ing or stuffing the .40 into a 9mm frame / slide as opposed to going the route of the .45 and a purpose built frame / slide for the caliber. While I shoot them all well enough and it may be splitting hairs to some, I very much prefer the 9mm or .45 Glocks over the .40 S&W versions. The downside might be the larger grip on the .45's but the Gen4's keep that reasonable for smaller sized hands.
After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff. Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already. That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s. No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.
I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it. While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price. That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17. This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.
Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you. If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.
Interesting you mention getting hit in the head by brass, it happens quite frequently to my wife with my G17 gen4. I haven't had that issue yet.I had one of the first production Gen4 G17's released. Around 1500 rounds I started getting brass to face with a wide range or any ammo type. It had those issues from 1500 rounds all the way past 25,000 rounds when I did an RSA and ejector swap. I had it documented on video also. This was around the late 2011 early 2012 time frame where I fired 60 rounds then on camera I switched to the 042 RSA and the 30274 ejector and fired another 60 rounds. For myself and this pistol, the problem corrected itself with the change in parts.
When dealing with a several hundred new 2014 WR / WS serial number range Glock 17 Gen4's with quality ammo, I noted that smaller stature females sometimes had issues related to grip strength and overall shooting platform. When a larger shooter with stronger grip fired the exact same weapon there were no issues and upon getting those smaller stature shooters in a better shooing platform and grip on the weapon the issues also subsided. So it is my experience that BTF can be just the weapon and its parts, or indeed it can be a combo of ammo and the shooter. With the newest production date G17 Gen4's with the latest parts numbers, it is my experience that BTF is ammo and / or shooter related. Of course nothing is 100% but I have a huge sample size where I have seen and dealt with this first hand.
Post by: mauidog on November 01, 2014, 01:21:01 PM
Do you check by serial #? I bought my glock earlier this year, around memorial day I think.
No. All Glocks have a lifetime warranty. Just tell them the problem you are having, and ship it. If they can replicate the issue and fix it, the only charge is shipping there.
Post by: GreenStomper on November 01, 2014, 03:38:44 PM
Gents,
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
G17 Gen 3
2- Would you buy it again?
Absolutely
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Had a 9 lbs. trigger :o
4- What did you NOT like about it?
Eh, didn't care for the finger grooves. (Glock knuckle)
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
All the mods done have been worth it.
Ghost trigger and spring
Trijicon HD night sights
Extended mag release cut down and stippled
Moderate stipple job, finger grooves removed, trigger guard narrowed (shaped)
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Trijicon are not adjustable. They were bought locally and free install
7- express any other pertinent comment
Was bought on consignment, former LEO. With no holster marks and perfect barrel- like new condition.
The trigger was heavy. Learned to deal with it after a while. Ghost trigger more bueno. Now it's 3.75 lbs.
My biggest gripe was the finger grooves, they had to go.
Im using the Safariland holster (HDF fun shoots) HSGI taco pouches, and bought plenty more mags.
Glock reliability, no issues
Mostly shoot 9mm the G17 fits in well with my other firearms.
Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 02:27:45 PM
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
Post by: K30l4 on May 19, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.Two big thumbs up!
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
Post by: macsak on May 19, 2015, 04:06:58 PM
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
shoulda got a VP9
::)
congrats, OF
Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 06:10:35 PM
shoulda got a VP9...
::)
congrats, OF
Thanks bro...
I love the vp9 too. Feels great in my hand. Easy to shoot.
But I think my next purchase would be a g43. It's a very practical size.
Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 06:12:24 PM
Two big thumbs up!...
Howzit ola.
I have succumbed to the dark side.
Post by: Kingkeoni on May 19, 2015, 07:31:37 PM
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
:thumbsup:
I'm glad you're buying a new handgun.
On a side note, I pulled up an old permit to acquire with a photo from 20+ years ago and Damn I was good looking and had a lot of hair. What happened?
Post by: passivekinetic on May 19, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
Finally! Haha!
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
17 Gen 4
19 Gen 4
2- Would you buy it again?
Definitely 17 and big maybe 19 (because I might use the 19 money for yet another Glock, probably in .45ACP)
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Sure, factory stock
4- What did you NOT like about it?
The trigger guard gives me what is called Glock Knuckle. Google it. I didn't even know it was that common. I have yet to take a Dremel to it. I wear gloves now, while mulling over the decision to modify my stock Glocks or not.
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
I have Trijicon night sights on both the 17 and 19. You need to buy a rear sight pusher for the Glocks, and a proper screwdriver for the front sight. Or get someone else to do it. I had a beavertail on the 19 but removed it eventually. I think the 17 comes with a beavertail which I attached (that is a recent part that comes from Glock in the box).
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
N/A although there are some options for adjustable sights on Glock. I suggest K.I.S.S. with the Glocks.
7- express any other pertinent comment
Glocks are my GO TO gun. I also have a Beretta 92A1 and that is a lovely, accurate gun. But the Glocks are really good except for the knuckle problem. I shot all day, four days, at Front Sight with a Glock 17. Fantastic gun.
Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 08:03:18 PM
:thumbsup:...
I'm glad you're buying a new handgun.
On a side note, I pulled up an old permit to acquire with a photo from 20+ years ago and Damn I was good looking and had a lot of hair. What happened?
I had bigger hair and aviator style glasses. LOL
Post by: paka808 on May 19, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.lol,i agree F.U. to all the anti gun crowd.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
Post by: macsak on May 19, 2015, 10:22:27 PM
...
Thanks bro...
I love the vp9 too. Feels great in my hand. Easy to shoot.
But I think my next purchase would be a g43. It's a very practical size.
so you got a 17?
welcome to the plastic gun crowd!
Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 10:49:32 PM
so you got a 17?...
welcome to the plastic gun crowd!
Oh yeah, it's a gen3 g17.
I played with it and it looks like a brand new gun. Nary a scratch!
Next thing I'll be building ar's, ak's, and 10.22's....
Post by: talula on May 19, 2015, 11:55:22 PM
...All right we are so proud of you. Remember baby steps.
Oh yeah, it's a gen3 g17.
I played with it and it looks like a brand new gun. Nary a scratch!
Next thing I'll be building ar's, ak's, and 10.22's....
Post by: oldfart on May 20, 2015, 04:58:25 AM
All right we are so proud of you. Remember baby steps....
Yeah...
When I grow up I wanna be like you guys. :thumbsup:
Post by: K30l4 on May 20, 2015, 02:10:53 PM
...LOL! That is hilarious. Thanks for making my day.
Yeah...
When I grow up I wanna be like you guys.
Post by: oldfart on June 06, 2015, 07:02:09 PM
Where is a good place to buy these parts?
Post by: Surf on June 06, 2015, 09:23:45 PM
So I got this g17 now. I feel like it could use a bigger mag release and maybe that 3.5 ghost trigger.Bigger mag release as in protrudes farther out from the frame or has a larger finger contact area? I would also suggest the Glock minus "-" connector or the Zev version.
Where is a good place to buy these parts?
Post by: oldfart on June 06, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
Bigger mag release as in protrudes farther out from the frame or has a larger finger contact area? I would also suggest the Glock minus "-" connector or the Zev version....
Slightly Extended release would be enough.
Recommend a vendor????
Post by: Kingkeoni on June 06, 2015, 10:50:49 PM
So I got this g17 now. I feel like it could use a bigger mag release and maybe that 3.5 ghost trigger.
Where is a good place to buy these parts?
You don't want those parts.
Hind, hindsight...
Get used to the trigger. Put in some trigger time before you spend the money on a lighter trigger.
The GLOCK trigger is "different" and almost every time someone gets a Glock for the first time, they want to change the trigger, but...
the trigger is actually perfect as it is. If you take the time to learn the trigger, you'll love it.
I have stock triggers on all my Glocks.
The extended magazine release is only useful in a competition gun where you're trying to shave time off your manipulation of your pistol.
In the real world, that extended magazine release gets caught on holsters and drops your mag at the most inopportune time.
Again, get used to the stock magazine release and after a year you still feel like you need to change it, then consider it at that time.
Post by: oldfart on June 07, 2015, 05:22:16 AM
You don't want those parts....
Hind, hindsight...
Get used to the trigger. Put in some trigger time before you spend the money on a lighter trigger.
The GLOCK trigger is "different" and almost every time someone gets a Glock for the first time, they want to change the trigger, but...
the trigger is actually perfect as it is. If you take the time to learn the trigger, you'll love it.
I have stock triggers on all my Glocks.
The extended magazine release is only useful in a competition gun where you're trying to shave time off your manipulation of your pistol.
In the real world, that extended magazine release gets caught on holsters and drops your mag at the most inopportune time.
Again, get used to the stock magazine release and after a year you still feel like you need to change it, then consider it at that time.
I would normally offer the exact same advice to a newbie. But....
This is not going to be a defensive pistol. I can shoot glocks pretty well in stock form already.
The stock trigger is fine, I just want it a wee little bit better. And perhaps do something about the overtravel, which I notice to be slightly disturbing.
In fact I first noticed glock overtravel in mic808's g34 competition pistol. I thought it weird that a pistol marketed for competition would have so much overtravel.
As for the mag release, I got pretty small hands. On this particular pistol, I feel like I'm struggling to release the mag.
Right now, I'm going to use this primarily for load testing and a better trigger helps.
Who knows? I might use this to get back into competitive shooting, if I can lose about 20 more lbs.
I'm not trying to turn this block into one of my custom colts. It just needs to get a little friendlier with my hand.
So who is a good vendor for parts?
Post by: GreenStomper on June 07, 2015, 08:09:56 AM
Free install of parts while I waited (ext. mag release shaved down just a bit and stipple job Dohertyusmc)
Went from 10 lbs trigger pull to 3.75
The offer is always open to try it out before you do the mods.
Post by: oldfart on June 07, 2015, 08:28:37 AM
I had my Glock work done at X-Ring,ghost trigger and disconnect.=========
Free install of parts while I waited (ext. mag release shaved down just a bit and stipple job Dohertyusmc)
Went from 10 lbs trigger pull to 3.75
The offer is always open to try it out before you do the mods.
Thanks! I do live nearby there.
But it seems everybody says they do these things at home tho...
So if I wanted to buy mail order, then who would be a good online vendor?
Post by: dogman on June 07, 2015, 08:49:14 AM
=========Brownells
So if I wanted to buy mail order, then who would be a good online vendor?
http://www.brownells.com/parts/Glock/index.htm?avs%7cSpecial-Filters_1=In+Stock (http://www.brownells.com/parts/Glock/index.htm?avs%7cSpecial-Filters_1=In+Stock)
Post by: passivekinetic on June 07, 2015, 09:20:45 AM
You don't want those parts.
Hind, hindsight...
Get used to the trigger. Put in some trigger time before you spend the money on a lighter trigger.
The GLOCK trigger is "different" and almost every time someone gets a Glock for the first time, they want to change the trigger, but...
the trigger is actually perfect as it is. If you take the time to learn the trigger, you'll love it.
I have stock triggers on all my Glocks.
The extended magazine release is only useful in a competition gun where you're trying to shave time off your manipulation of your pistol.
In the real world, that extended magazine release gets caught on holsters and drops your mag at the most inopportune time.
Again, get used to the stock magazine release and after a year you still feel like you need to change it, then consider it at that time.
Agree generally with KK. I think a major attraction of Glock is that it is simply a gun that you can shoot factory stock. It's not winning awards for good looks, but it is a go-to gun (that's how I consider it). It goes bang. It is a tool.
The only problem I have with the stock Glock is the trigger guard giving Glock Knuckle. That is the single worst thing in my opinion but not everyone suffers it.
Post by: Surf on June 07, 2015, 10:18:01 AM
For myself I have smaller hands, which is why the Gen4's were perfect. Larger mag release button which was easier to get to and I didn't need to alter my grip on a reload. For an extended type with the same button profile go with the Vickers in a Gen 3 or with the factory extended I tend to radius the edge. We were doing this long before the Vickers and it is easy to do, but the Vickers is done already. I too like to purchase parts from Brownells as I do have an account and that does help. Anyone who qualifies, should look into an account with Brownells. Stock parts I tend to come by from the factory.
@GS, going from a 10lb trigger pull to a 3.75lb pull was not just the connector, but also ditching the NY trigger spring for a standard spring which IMO is a good thing.
As for the Glock knuckle, if a shooter does not have that issue, either the shooter is probably not optimizing their grip, not shooting a high volume of rounds, or has leather, no, stone for hands. If you do suffer from Glock knuckle, hand fitting the Glock is a lot cheaper and painless than undercutting a 1911.
As for the trigger, stock is not bad but it just takes a good bit of rounds to smooth them out and overtravel will be what it is when left as stock. Good trigger work from a reputable person can optimize all of this instantly when performed correct. I do triggers from leaving it at the stock 5.5lbs pull to about 4lbs on a defensive type of pistol, but the feel and travel is much better. For range or competition I can go as low as about 1.5lbs, but just because I can, doesn't mean that is my preference. The lowest pull I actually prefer is right at about 3lbs for a range or competition pistol. If you pulled any of my Glock triggers, besides the two that must remain stock, there would be no going back.
Post by: oldfart on June 07, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Great info and duly noted.
Post by: Inspector on June 07, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
You might want to check out this thread from 2012: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=3439.msg38559#msg38559 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=3439.msg38559#msg38559)
I did all the things you want to do to your Glock to my G17. It is easy and quick. After almost 3 years I am still happy with the mods I did. I saved the orig parts so I can put it back if I ever choose to do so. One thing I will say is that I spent many years learning to shoot well with that POS trigger before I modified it. I think I appreciated the 3.5 lb. connector even more after I installed it after almost 20 years with the orig trigger. Oh, the one mod I made that I still really appreciate is the extended mag release. It looks terrible. And it is not affected by my Kydex holster. Here is a link: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/744562/jp-enterprises-extended-magazine-release-glock-17-19-22-23-24-25-26-27-28-31-32-33-34-35-37-38-39-steel-blue. (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/744562/jp-enterprises-extended-magazine-release-glock-17-19-22-23-24-25-26-27-28-31-32-33-34-35-37-38-39-steel-blue.) Also, I tried a few different extended slide releases. The one I felt was the best was the stock Glock extended release or an after market copy. The Glock extended slide release does not extend farther out from the frame then the stock slide release. It is only extended back a little. It allows a better purchase by your thumb. While it doesn't seem like much it is amazing how much more leverage I get by adding that small amount to the length.
If you ever want to see/try what I have done to my G17, I will be happy to bring it to the range and let you try it.
Post by: GreenStomper on June 07, 2015, 07:39:17 PM
The NY spring was swapped out on my G17.
Under cutting the trigger guard and removing the finger groves were the best mods done so far.
No more Glock knuckle.
Sounds like we need a Tupper ware range day to compare and evaluate.
Post by: mic808 on June 07, 2015, 07:58:01 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/07/6e859069e25bd955a5a074435d77fb47.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/07/6e745efaf1b9230e468715860572527d.jpg)
Post by: tatonka on June 08, 2015, 03:48:13 PM
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
G17 gen4
G19 gen4
G43
2- Would you buy it again?
Hahaha yes I want more!
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
It was great!
4- What did you NOT like about it?
I prefer 3 dot sights. All mine end up with something different anyway
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Just sights. And a light /laser for the 17
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
N/A
7- express any other pertinent comment
My Glocks have fired every time I pull the trigger no matter what ammo I had loaded. they're accurate out of the box, extremely lightweight , and flat out work. They've been around for a long long time and have proven themselves since the beginning. Like I said before there are other guns that I want but everytime I get close to buying something else I did end up buying another Glock.
Not sure if you know or not or if anyone else has posted, but the 34 was built to be a range gun. It has the lighter trigger the extended slide release and magazine catch, and adjustable sights.
Post by: oldfart on June 09, 2015, 03:45:20 PM
He gets a cookie!
Post by: mauidog on June 10, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
Looking to mod your Glock?
https://youtu.be/EJkSQgz7828
Post by: oldfart on October 26, 2015, 09:31:01 PM
So I got this g17 now. I feel like it could use a bigger mag release and maybe that 3.5 ghost trigger....
Where is a good place to buy these parts?
After shooting this stock block for a few months I couldn't take the trigger any more.
If I shoot a hundred rounds, my trigger finger hurts too much.
Speedteks cousin told me to get a zev trigger. So I did.
So I took it apart today and installed the zev parts and an extended mag release courtesy of 2A member GTEC.
It feels much better now. I might shoot a match with it next month.
Post by: macsak on October 26, 2015, 09:36:14 PM
....
After shooting this stock block for a few months I couldn't take the trigger any more.
If I shoot a hundred rounds, my trigger finger hurts too much.
Speedteks cousin told me to get a zev trigger. So I did.
So I took it apart today and installed the zev parts and an extended mag release courtesy of 2A member GTEC.
It feels much better now. I might shoot a match with it next month.
:thumbsup:
Post by: Drakiir84 on October 27, 2015, 08:24:58 AM
G17 Gen4
2- Would you buy it again?
Yes, but I'll be looking into a G19 if we get concealed carry. I carry my G17 IWB at home and while it's fairly comfortable I would go for a G19 for all day carry.
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Out of the box impressions were mostly good.
4- What did you NOT like about it?
The trigger and the abrasive grip texture. Long shooting sessions were not comfortable and the wife just couldn't handle shooting more than 5 or 6 magazines.
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
a. HSP Skimmer Trigger. $160, worth it imo. Every Glock I buy will have one. Easy to install.
b. Vickers extended mag release and slide stop, $15 & $19 respectively. Cheap mods that were completely worth the cost. I purchased them for my wife because of her small hands but they're quite useful for everyone. Slide stop installation was a cinch, the mag release was a pain in the ass. Would have been much easier with a metal dental pick.
c. Rubberized Talon Grips. $17. As stated earlier the stock grips were rather uncomfortable and the talon grips are a cheap and easy to install solution. I have talon grips on pretty much every firearm.
d. Trapezoid grip breakdown tab. $12. Again another thing bought for the wife because she has fucked up thumb on one hand and a fucked up trigger finger on the other. Easy installation, would recommend to anyone with hand strength or a hand injury that makes breakdown an issue.
6- If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Stock night sights.
7- express any other pertinent comment
My first striker fired pistol was a VP9 and I love that gun but the more I shoot the G17 the more I love Glock. Although it was originally purchased for my wife after she took LIFE's pistol safety class we have since switched as the VP9 fits her smaller hands better.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on October 27, 2015, 10:05:12 AM
...
After shooting this stock block for a few months I couldn't take the trigger any more.
:rofl: Gustav's revenge >:D Yeah the triggers are a mushy joke, funny but everywhere you read about Glock triggers everyone says the same thing. It's on e of the first things I'd tell someone who's looking to buy one to replace along with the slide stop and sights.
Post by: oldfart on October 27, 2015, 11:09:50 AM
The bottom of my trigger finger rubs the inside of the trigger guard with every shot.
It has to do with the downward angle at which my finger approaches the trigger.
Couple that with the rough texture of the inside of the trigger guard and that spells irritation.
oh well....
Post by: Bota-CS1 on October 27, 2015, 11:26:51 AM
I've identified another reason my trigger finger hurts when shooting the block.
The bottom of my trigger finger rubs the inside of the trigger guard with every shot.
It has to do with the downward angle at which my finger approaches the trigger.
Couple that with the rough texture of the inside of the trigger guard and that spells irritation.
oh well....
Some people develop something similar called Glock knuckle on the 1st knuckle of the middle finger of the strong hand. In your case, you may be able to "smooth" out the area in question with ultra fine grit sand paper by removing a little material and checking for fit.
Post by: oldfart on October 27, 2015, 11:43:33 AM
Some people develop something similar called Glock knuckle on the 1st knuckle of the middle finger of the strong hand. In your case, you may be able to "smooth" out the area in question with ultra fine grit sand paper by removing a little material and checking for fit....
I don't have the knuckle rub yet.... Might try smoothing out that texture soon.
Post by: whynow? on October 27, 2015, 01:37:36 PM
I've identified another reason my trigger finger hurts when shooting the block.Funny you brought this up since my strong hand trigger finger does the same thing, but not the weak hand trigger finger. I switched the mag release to the other side to see if it helps
The bottom of my trigger finger rubs the inside of the trigger guard with every shot.
It has to do with the downward angle at which my finger approaches the trigger.
Couple that with the rough texture of the inside of the trigger guard and that spells irritation.
oh well....
Post by: loyalhunter on October 27, 2015, 04:12:06 PM
I have a Glock model 17 gen. 4 and I love it! I certainly would buy another Glock. Next purchase a model 41. The folks at OGC allowed me to test the trigger pull of several 17s before I chose the one to my liking. As it turned out my trigger was a cream puff, every other gen 4 Glock I tested had less than acceptable trigger pull. Understand, I'm used to my trigger on my 1911 which Ed Masaki brought it down to a nice 4 lbs.
No worries, the trigger on a Glock can be made to one's liking by changing the trigger connector - about $30 and polishing the bar on it. Didn't change my trigger; just polished mines with Flitz.
The low axis bore and the dual recoil guide rod on a Glock gen. 4 helps reduce muzzle flip. For example, I did a side by side comparison with my Walter PPQ M2 in 40S&W and my friend's Glock model 23. Both pistols in same chambering and brl. length shooting the same ammo. The Glock had significantly less muzzle flip than my Walther during the shooting.
My Glock is not modified; however, I might want to change the factory fixed sights to easy to see night sights, whatever brand meets my needs and fancy. I like shooting my model 17 and my friend's models 41 and 19.
You will not be disappointed in purchasing a Glock model 17 or a model 19.
Take care and happy shooting,
LH
Post by: loyalhunter on October 27, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
Post by: oldfart on October 27, 2015, 04:53:21 PM
OF, didnt realize thread is a year old....
It's ok. You just added to the general knowledge base here.
I too have been shooting customized colt govt autos for several decades now.
The stock g17 I got is ok. But like the govt autos, they can use a good dose of tweaking.
It's going to take a while to get used to it.
Perhaps if I can get a few good practice sessions in the next few weeks, I'll attempt a shooting match...maybe
Post by: oldfart on November 08, 2015, 06:00:39 AM
Went to the range to test the new ZEV trigger and some ammo yesterday.
The Zev kit works well. I can live with that trigger now. Light, smooth, no misfires.
There is a match coming up in 2 weeks, so I'm going to bust the cherry on this thing.
The pistol shoots 3" left for me but the elevation is right on. My son has a pusher. See the pic.
HAP bullets will do me nicely. Xtreme works ok too.
I got a FOBUS holster with the gun so that seems to work ok....might paint it brown to match the rest of my rig.
Got vac next week so I'll be out at KHSC if anybody wants to play some practice games with me.
Post by: oldfart on December 06, 2015, 05:16:35 AM
Shot in a real match against younger faster kids for the first time in about 20 years.
I used this glock17 for the first time in competition. I placed ok, all things considered.
There was one major problem I experienced.
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I have only been practicing at the 25 yd range with the silly 5 rnd limit with this new glock.
When competing, obviously you load up to full capacity.
It takes significantly greater force to seat a full mag with the slide closed on a round up the spout due to the fully compressed mag spring.
Therefore I had a failure to seat on 1 run, and the mag fell out on the first shot. It took a few extra seconds to diagnose and recover.
Fortunately, in this case it did not affect the final score. If this were an actual defensive situation, it would be tragic.
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The moral of this story is:
If you are going to rely on a firearm for actual field use, better practice with it as realistically as possible.
Btw, back in the day I could and did practice at the 25 yd range with full capacity mags.
Post by: robtmc on December 06, 2015, 04:50:08 PM
Post by: oldfart on December 06, 2015, 06:46:47 PM
Did you end up tweaking the rear sight or find out if your grip was causing the left bias to the hits?...
I have a great son that gave me a hi viz nite site and installed it too.
The gun shoots slightly left or dead center depending on the ammo.
One of the key principles of good marksmanship is consistent grip.
I'm not too thrilled about changing my grip much between different guns or ammunition.
On Saturday, I tested 6 different loads trying to establish a naturally accurate load for a stock glock bbl.
I can post photos and data if anyone is interested. So far every load groups about the same except the hap bullets.
Typical groups around 3.5 in. At 25 yds.
Post by: Surf on December 07, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
Here are a couple of resources that are many have found to be worth the read. There are numerous other good threads there on the topic also.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?6637-Glock-Trigger-Press (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?6637-Glock-Trigger-Press)
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15877-How-much-trigger-finger/page4 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15877-How-much-trigger-finger/page4)
I no longer support any online video content so some of the links don't work. I do know of a video of mine that exists which was ripped by another person. You can google "advanced trigger skills" and can probably find it. Talks a lot about the Glock.
Post by: oldfart on December 07, 2015, 06:31:28 PM
I tried changing my grip technique as you suggest and it does change the point of impact.
Problem is that I've been shooting 45 auto for decades with the same grip so to change to a different technique when I pick up the glock is unnatural.
I do however suggest your techniques to new shooters who shoot left with glocks.
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Currently I'm ok with my glock impact and ergonomics....just trying to tailor my ammo for competition now.
That goal is to execute an "upper A zone" hit on demand from 25 yards.
Post by: K30l4 on December 08, 2015, 10:27:38 AM
Is your channel still on YouTube.com? Good information. Mahalo.
edited by macsak to delete video
that video was taken from surf
surf removed his channel some time ago due to various reasona
Post by: Surf on December 08, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
SurfSorry it is no longer available. That one video is the only video that I am aware of that was copied and put on youtube. I shut down the channel without any indication that I was going to do it in order to avoid that very thing from happening. But I am not really upset over that one video being out there. I think that video was from around 2010 time frame when the Gen4 glocks first hit the market. I got one of the first run pistols off the production line.
Is your channel still on YouTube.com? Good information. Mahalo.
edited by macsak to delete video
that video was taken from surf
surf removed his channel some time ago due to various reasona
Post by: K30l4 on December 08, 2015, 07:44:26 PM