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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: mauidog on November 04, 2014, 07:40:51 PM
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another "blue" year >:(
Welcome to the People's Republik of Hawaii
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Blue Hawaii... David Ige / Shan Tsutsui, Schatz wins U.S. Senate race, Takai takes early lead over Djou, Tulsi Gabbard... :'(
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With all the wins by Republicans of previously Democratic held Senate seats, state governorships, and some House seats, it pretty much leaves Hawaii as the second most "progressive" state after California. Lucky us.
I noticed that the only remaining jurisdiction in the U.S. besides Hawaii having a "no issue" CCW policy, Washington D.C., legalized marijuana by a 69% to 31% margin. That makes Hawaii the worst of both worlds. Lucky us.
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With all the wins by Republicans of previously Democratic held Senate seats, state governorships, and some House seats, it pretty much leaves Hawaii as the second most "progressive" state after California. Lucky us.
I noticed that the only remaining jurisdiction in the U.S. besides Hawaii having a "no issue" CCW policy, Washington D.C., legalized marijuana by a 69% to 31% margin. That makes Hawaii the worst of both worlds. Lucky us.
I hear ya...
I don't know what we are "progressing" to but with all these progressive issues i.e. gender equality (I don't know what to call a man or woman nowadayz), drug legalization, 2a issues we are "progressing" away from what this country was built on. :grrr:
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While I am pretty cynical about politics here in Hawaii, with our overwhelming Democratic populace, the fact remains that the Republican Party here is in dire need of some new ideas. Running Cam Cavasso against Schatz was a joke.
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While I am pretty cynical about politics here in Hawaii, with our overwhelming Democratic populace, the fact remains that the Republican Party here is in dire need of some new ideas. Running Cam Cavasso against Schatz was a joke.
carnage across the nation for the golden child and the demo party
:shaka: :geekdanc: :wave:
same same for hawaii
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I can't believe 147k people voted for schatz! Why?
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This state is shameful braindead idiot robots bought and paid for. Good thing is that all the losers elected to DC will be limpdicks in the next congress.
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Because Hawaii is full of fucktards, that's why.
Amen, at least the rest of the country has some control over things, while we are at the will of idiots:
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surprised at the lack of voters...
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The ignorant leading the blind......
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the formula to win an election in Hawaii:
1. be a democrat
2. do nothing
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the formula to win an election in Hawaii:
1. be a democrat
2. do nothing
Oh, come on now. Don't exaggerate. All those Democrats that "we" sent to D.C. were all BIG supporters of Obamacare and "Assault Weapons"/"high capacity" magazine Bans. They're doing something... much to our regret. Thankfully there were enough rational Senators and Representatives from other states that were capable of using critical thinking skills and voted against the useless but liberty-infringing anti-firearm anti-self-defense legislation that "our" Hawaii legislators are so proud to trumpet. :crazy:
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"every vote counts."
except when you vote for a Republican in Hawaii.
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"every vote counts."
except when you vote for a Republican in Hawaii.
700k registered voters
50.2% voted???
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We need to have the ability to opt out of political mailings like we can with credit cards. Some of the ads I received were larger in size than a full sheet of paper which sucks when you live in a condo.
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Because Hawaii is full of fucktards, that's why.
Now, now, I guarantee you there are a few 2AHawaii members that voted for him.
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700k registered voters
50.2% voted???
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http://hawaii.gov/elections/results/2014/general/files/histatewide.pdf (http://hawaii.gov/elections/results/2014/general/files/histatewide.pdf)
REGISTRATION AND TURNOUT
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GENERAL 706,890 TOTAL REGISTRATION
52.3% 369,554 TOTAL TURNOUT
25.5% 180,507 PRECINCT TURNOUT
26.7% 189,047 ABSENTEE TURNOUT
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OVERSEAS BALLOTS CAST
0.0%
61
OVERSEAS TURNOUT 1
39
OVERSEAS TURNOUT 2
22
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http://hawaii.gov/elections/results/2014/general/files/histatewide.pdf (http://hawaii.gov/elections/results/2014/general/files/histatewide.pdf)
oops
52.3%
my excuse is, i was driving and listening to the radio
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I am wondering how the 2a issue stacks up to the winners in the state race. I have to find some time to look over JI's spread sheet and compare to the winners.
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And people wonder why I hate the mindless, Democrat slave idiots that infest the islands.
It boggles the mind that these morons would throw out Aberzombie, but elect a watered version of him for Governor. That's right, I'll say it: Ige is Aberzombie lite.
And don't even get me started on that brainless twit Schatz.
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Here are some comments from Gary Johnson, former Republican governor of New Mexico, and 2012 Libertarian candidate for president, who has announced that he will seek the nomination again in 2016. I think it says something about why so few people vote in the first place and the lack of enthusiasm from many who do ("This is Election Day. Excuse me while I go barf, and vote tactically for the candidate who I figure will steal the least of my shit, and beat me with the softest hose." -- Geek With A .45 November 4, 2014).
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Gary-Johnson-libertarian-president-change/2014/11/03/id/604938/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Gary-Johnson-libertarian-president-change/2014/11/03/id/604938/)
"The whole election is a big yawn. Who cares who wins, because nothing's really going to change? It's like a debate between Coke and Pepsi. They're debating over which one tastes better," he said.
"They start talking about tax policy, Coke wants to reduce the corporate tax rate to 30 percent, and Pepsi wants to drop it to 28 percent.
"Where's the libertarian viewpoint, which says do away with it completely? Do away with income tax, corporate tax? Abolish the IRS. If you're going to replace it with anything, replace it with a national consumption tax. That's real meat on the bones. I just don't see any meat anywhere."...
"People are clamoring to hear good ideas as opposed to the lesser of two evils . . . Either the Democrats are going to win or the Republicans are going to win, but the losers are all of us out here as citizens that really do want meaningful change, and none of it's happening. There's no dialogue regarding meaningful change."
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http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/27297664/republican-wave-sweeping-us-doesnt-reach-hawaii (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/27297664/republican-wave-sweeping-us-doesnt-reach-hawaii)
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Instead of trial by combat like on Game of Thrones, I say we pass a bill called 'Election by Combat', in which you can challenge a piece of shit legislator to a duel to the death when they do not uphold their oath of office and/or violate the constitution, in order to take their legislative seat.
Schatz...your soul is mine.
Q... if you apply that standard (violation of oath of office to uphold the Constitution) to all the legislators at all levels in Hawaii there's gonna have to be daily combat for many months to work through that huge pile of dung. Just sayin'. :shaka:
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And people wonder why I hate the mindless, Democrat slave idiots that infest the islands.
Have repeated it here before, and the site owner said, there are other things important to some people than the 2A.
I personally would not piss on an Obola voter if they were on fire, but I am a bit reactionary and hold grudges...............
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Did you see Takai's comments on the sweeping by the GOP of the Senate? He states that "now there is no blame game for the republicans to play", loosely quoted. Huh?? Does he not get it at all? This guy is out of touch. Obamass claims a poor voter turnout by Dems for the short fall. HUH??? Does he not get it at all? This guy, too, it out of touch. People are fed up with the direction our government has gone; this election clearly makes that point.
Now only if Hawaii was not a mindless vote the same name, same party and not for the real issues type of state. I was really feeling that it was going to be different here too. Next time maybe.
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Dear Republicans: No One Elected You to Work with Democrats
If voters really wanted people who would work closely with Obama and other Democrats to “get things done,”
they would have just voted for more Democrats. After all, virtually every elected Democrat has “worked with”
Obama (in the sense of doing exactly everything he asked) for the last six solid years. Say what you want
about the information level of the average voter, but absolutely no one was confused into thinking that they
were replacing a Democrat with a Republican in the hopes that the Republican would be more friendly to
the Democrat agenda.
http://www.redstate.com/2014/11/05/dear-republicans-one-elected-work-democrats/ (http://www.redstate.com/2014/11/05/dear-republicans-one-elected-work-democrats/)
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Dear Republicans: No One Elected You to Work with Democrats
http://www.redstate.com/2014/11/05/dear-republicans-one-elected-work-democrats/ (http://www.redstate.com/2014/11/05/dear-republicans-one-elected-work-democrats/)
It's a "no shit sherlock" moment for the "normal person", However the dingbats in washington may see things differently..... Hopefully not, but I will NOT be surprised, and very disappointed .
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Did you see Takai's comments on the sweeping by the GOP of the Senate? He states that "now there is no blame game for the republicans to play", loosely quoted. Huh?? Does he not get it at all? This guy is out of touch. Obamass claims a poor voter turnout by Dems for the short fall. HUH??? Does he not get it at all? This guy, too, it out of touch. People are fed up with the direction our government has gone; this election clearly makes that point.
Now only if Hawaii was not a mindless vote the same name, same party and not for the real issues type of state. I was really feeling that it was going to be different here too. Next time maybe.
Either he doesn't get it, or like the White House Press Secretary just refuses to admit it in public. Remember the Iraqi Information Minister? All evidence to the contrary, never admit that you're losing, and spin it as much as possible in your favor. When "the end justifies the means" is your mantra, why even pay attention to anything people like that say?
Although I wanted Djou to win and voted to that effect, I didn't expect him to win here (although it was closer than I thought it would be). I'm planning to ignore the winner (just like the previous winner) and hope the rest of Congress does the same to the rest of the delegates from Hawaii.
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Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”
Groucho Marx
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.”
Plato
Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning “many”; and "tics" meaning “bloodsucking creatures”.”
Robin Williams
Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.”
Ronald Reagan
I don't know a lot about politics, but I can recognise a good party man when I see one”
Mae West
“The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun.”
Richard Buckminster Fuller
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A true diplomat can tell his opponent to "Go to Hell!" and make him look forward to the trip!
One thing we have lost in this country is the feeling that, no matter who is in office, we can all support and work together with them.
Now it has become a divided nation where each side has been "radicalized" by their leaders and fellow members to literally HATE the other side.
Nothing even close to working together will happen as long as the political climate is governed by an "us versus them" attitude.
When a President bypasses Congress to put in motion his stated plan to "fundamentally transform America", and that transformation favors
illegal immigrants, people who decide to not contribute to society, and his wealthy campaign contributors, all the while taking every opportunity to
chime in on certain events to give them a racially negative spin ...
It's no wonder the country feels so divided! And the mainstream media is just making it even worse as they support the agenda of this administration!
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When registering to vote I noticed that they asked to which party I belonged. IMO that question should not be permitted and is used to fowl non democrat registrations.
This is probably why this state has been ruled by the democratic party for so long. They are abusing the registration and voting process for their own gains.
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From my observations both the Republican and Democratic parties have verged away from their roots and each has adopted a globalist side that they label with what ever subset group that fits into that regime. So we have a globalist center now which is in direct conflict with the US Constitution and the Republic which it formed. Thus far no party has been formed to represent this global interest so they have usurped both the Democrat and Republican parties. Their agents are self evident in both parties.
There is another center found at the origin core of each party and it's represented by the Libertarian party. This party exists forthright because it need not hide in the shadows of the major parties skirts. IMO it's time for true Americans to abandon the infiltrated parties and readopt their roots.
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No one will ever win on an L ticket....EVER. The only chance anyone has is as D, R or I; D or I when it relates to Hawaii.
People don't realize that party association is everything. People in the L camp are always harping on the fact that they got 4% of the votes in the country, like it actually means something.
The only way to even have a chance is to pick a party or run as an I and then sway in the direction you feel most comfortable with. Until an (L) wins a race in a MAJOR election (as in spotlighted congress seat or presidential seat), the masses will not give two shits about the L's, and will continue to vote pro-D or pro-R.
Truth sucks, but it is what it is. Better to vote for the lesser of two evils if it has even a small chance of winning than wasting a vote on what we know to be the right party that can never win.
not telling you how to vote, but if you keep choosing evil all you get is evil. R and D are two sides of the same coin. This belief that you have to vote for a person that is going to win is part of the problem. Voting isn't cheering for a team. You are choosing the person you want to be in charge of the rules you have to live by.
If all you want to do is vote for the guy that wins they just keep voting for the person with a D next to their name.
If you want actual change and for the other parties to notice that you are taking your vote somewhere else they will have to change their platform to gain back those votes. I'll put L candidates in every race if it means it spoils a win for either side of the 2 party duopoly because neither side is what i want.
I guarantee you that even if by some miracle the republicans had won enough elections in Hawaii, we will still be building a retarded rail system, we will still have state income tax, we will still have absurd zoning regulations, we will still be without an inter-island ferry system, and we will still be a shit state with massive infrastructure, homeless, and employment problems.
Change will never come from voting for the same 2 parties for the past century.
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Until then, people who keep putting L's next to their names, as well as those individuals that vote for them, will continue to giving the D's their needed victories and driving this country into the shitter.
I read (can't find it now) an article about how the libertarian-voted ballots for governor (options were D,R, L) in one state were analyzed for the voting pattern for attorney general, where there were only Democrat and Republican candidates to vote for. It was very close to a 50/50 split, so you're belief that those who vote libertarian take votes away from Republicans and would otherwise, were it not for the presence of a Libertarian Party candidate, vote against Democrats, may be incorrect. Libertarians given only the choice of a Republican or a Democrat have a difficult choice of deciding which liberties they would prefer to have infringed by one or the other of those parties' candidates. As a woman voter was quoted as saying recently, "Why can't I have an abortion AND carry a gun?"
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Here's a "post-election comment" from someone from the side that didn't do as well... posted in the name of "fair and balanced"...
(The map and her comments have been removed...)
From Joe Huffman's blog at http://blog.joehuffman.org/2014/11/08/this-is-what-they-think-of-us/ (http://blog.joehuffman.org/2014/11/08/this-is-what-they-think-of-us/)
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Alexis Clark
@msabclark
Writer/Editor. Proud Progressive Lefty Southern Belle. Ford Fnd Fellow. Past Yahoo, Town & Country. Spelman, UVA, Columbia Jschool Alum. Pleasantly Opinionated.
New York, NY
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You actually just did try to tell me how to vote, by saying that picking a more common sense vote is the problem. Davis never had a chance to win because 1) the libertarian party has yet to establish a solid policy, 2) the libertarian party has yet to establish a presence among voters and 3) people like Davis (who probably just wanted to make himself stand out) keep running as libertarians, yet are terrible representations of libertarians or have no idea what the party is about. During every debate, he looked like a complete idiot that had no real platform or real plan.
D, R, I, L...it really doesn't matter if the person we are voting for is standing for principle and to defend our rights. If a democrat were to have the courage to go against party lines and do what is right, you bet your ass I would vote for them. The problem is that there have been no D's from Hawaii that have had these qualities; at least not in my generation. Therefore, I will vote for the next person who I believe supports my ideals the most, and has a chance to win.
Actual change is not going to come from voting someone who isn't going to win in the first place. Do you know why the libertarian party isn't gaining any traction locally or nationally? It's because they haven't reached out. Why haven't they reached out? Because they have no idea what their platform is, or what their major talking points are. The only person with a libertarian edge to come close to winning a major race was Ron Paul, what was that he had next to his name? Oh yes...an R. Why? Because even Ron Paul knew that running as a libertarian wouldn't have gotten him anywhere, because the libertarian party has no base. The same thing is happening with Rand Paul who is also libertarian in nature, yet knows that advertising himself as a libertarian won't get him to the white house. So what is he doing? Exactly what every major libertarian has said to do: infiltrate the Republican party and try to change it from within, which is exactly what Rand is doing at the moment. So instead of trying to 'spoil the win for either side of the 2 party system', maybe you should follow pace with what die hard libertarians are trying to do, which is convert the republican party into what it once was and stood for, and what it should have been all these years.
This makes no sense, as everyone knows that The state congress would still have been controlled by democrats. There were only two spotlighted elections for republicans because the democrats were expected to win by a landslide everywhere else. So how could we know what it would be like when it is common sense knowledge to know that this state would never turn red during this election? Last I checked, the state has been under democrat control for 50+ years and isn't going to change anytime soon.
Actually, these parties have been around since the founding of the nation, only they had different names. The democrat party had its roots with Andrew Jackson, who was actually a neo-Federalist that rose up to challenge Jefferson's Democratic-Republican party, which was the newer version of the original Republican party. That is why you will never get rid of the two party system, as both parties were integral to the building of our nation. The name changes, but the spirit of both parties will remain.
I find it hilarious when people who are jumping on the libertarian train to be cool try to demonize the republican party, as it was the party of Jefferson, who happens to be one of the greatest influences on the libertarian party movement as well. As stated, it has already been discussed by the leaders of the libertarian party that the best path in the near future is to focus on transforming the republican party back into what it once was. Until then, people who keep putting L's next to their names, as well as those individuals that vote for them, will continue to giving the D's their needed victories and driving this country into the shitter.
you seem to confuse me for a constitutionalist and you also confused my statements. you are free to vote however you want but when you vote between the same 2 choices nothing is going to change. when you keep voting for empty promises from a magical entity that uses theft to effect their policies, you will end up in the same direction regardless of the R or D next to their name.
Pointing out that the parties have been around since the founding of the nation only serves to prove my point that they have been the reason behind the continued expansion of government power and abuse of authority.
Rand Paul is not a libertarian just because he tries to pay lip service to the war on drugs while at the same time supporting the expansion of the war on terror. Jefferson definitely has some good qualities but he also has many negative aspects.
In the end D and R and headed in the same direction just at different speeds.
As stated, it has already been discussed by the leaders of the libertarian party that the best path in the near future is to focus on transforming the republican party back into what it once was. Until then, people who keep putting L's next to their names, as well as those individuals that vote for them, will continue to giving the D's their needed victories and driving this country into the shitter.
Republicans seem to have never read Machiavelli, you don't give power to people that do not need more power. The republican argument always seems to be give us power so we can give you the power later on. I'm no fool and I'm not going to continue the cycle of expansionist policies. I use both D and R to fight each other, but i don't give them any more power than they already have.
Government itself is the problem and will continue to be so long as people continue to endorse a political system that uses tyranny of majority to enforce compliance.
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So lets keep this simple: There are three choices - R, D and L.
Mr. L is the best of the three, but he is guaranteed going to lose every single time for the near foreseeable future.
Mr. D wants to make your life complete shit because his political party is rooted in statism and government control
Mr. R is not as bad as Mr. D, and actually has some things that you like, but is almost as bad as Mr. D.
"Hmmm....you know what, I'm going to vote for the guy that is going to lose because I wanna stick it to the man with my 2-4% of the vote!" said no smart voter ever.
Please explain how voting for a losing party that guarantees the worst of the three parties wins is somehow a winning strategy. If it came down to Ige was 100% going to approve of some bullshit regulation on gun control here in Hawaii, while Aiona and Davis said they wouldn't, with Aiona far ahead of Davis and neck and neck with Ige, who would you vote for?
You do realize that the sole purpose of a strong, centralized government is to impose the will of the government by force, in order to consolidate more resources/power/influence, right? So of course a powerful government is going to expand and abuse it's authority. That is why people like Rand Paul are harping on the message of reducing government influence over the people and reducing government overreach.
Have you actually followed Rand Paul's stance on the issue of our war on terror? And why wouldn't you want to put down a threat to the United States? You honestly think that if we just leave them alone now, that this will all go away? Get real. Should we involved in everyone else's business? No. But we also should not take threats to America lightly. If you wanna push America, you best be sure that we are going to knock your ass out with a right hook if you don't back off.
And so what if Jefferson had bad qualities? Every person will have good and bad points about them, founding fathers included. The whole point is to utilize his doctrine and focus on his good points while learning how not to use his bad points.
Precisely, which is why people like Rand and Ron Paul and Ted Cruz are trying to change the Republican party from within.
I'm curious: how do you as an individual use D and R to 'fight each other', and then somehow influence the entire election with your vote for neither party? And it's funny you quote Machiavelli, because even he knew about playing your cards SMART by picking the side that best serves your interest and has the better chance to win.
But when a prince declares himself gallantly in favour of one side, if the party with whom he allies himself conquers, although the victor may be powerful and may have him at his mercy, yet he is indebted to him, and there is established a bond of amity; and men are never so shameless as to become a monument of ingratitude by oppressing you. Victories after all are never so complete that the victor must not show some regard, especially to justice. - Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter 21
How does this apply to politicians we vote for? "Now you owe me for getting in office. Fuck me over, and you're out."
And there it is.
So does this mean you are an anarchist? If so, why even waste your time voting if you do not believe in the institution of government, as does this not compromise your belief that government is the problem anyway?
The fact of the matter is that the people jumping on the libertarian bandwagon and claiming to be libertarian watch too many movies, read too many fictitious stores about how they are going to revolutionize the world with their one vote against the system; it won't. Real strategists, like Machiavelli, knew that this was facile thinking of the oppressed and ignorant, and could be used to the advantage of the state to manipulate them in supporting their goals; i.e. Democrats in Hawai'i guaranteeing wins by supporting individuals who run as independents and libertarians, know it will only solidify their numbers as these other candidates will only pull numbers from their real threats.
So while you may think that you are sticking it to the man by not supporting the lesser of two evils, in the end, you aid in the effort to screw us all over; just like what happened with this governors race, thanks to hannemann and Davis. The smart thing to do is to vote for the party that is closest to your beliefs and has the better chance of winning when you know that the best choice out of all of them has no chance at all. Until there is a revolution of thought and spirit on a mass scale in the US, the libertarian party isn't going to ever be mainstream or influential.
I've already said voting for evil will still get you evil. Even you identify that, this is a fact. Somehow at that same time you also state that libertarians give you the platform you want but won't vote for them. That voter mentality is the problem with why our government is where it's at right now.
To your views on the war on terror, you fail to realize the US government has been bombing the middle east for over 30 years now. Do you really honestly believe this is a defensive war? Do you think they really hate us for our freedom?
why do i even bother voting if i don't approve of the system?
does the govt stop taxing me if i don't vote?
do i get to ignore laws i don't agree with by not voting?
voting is the initiation of force
voting is a weapon
voting is political self defense
voting republican will not change the republican party
voting democrat will not change the democrat party
voting libertarian will change both of them
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I've already said voting for evil will still get you evil. Even you identify that, this is a fact. Somehow at that same time you also state that libertarians give you the platform you want but won't vote for them. That voter mentality is the problem with why our government is where it's at right now.
To your views on the war on terror, you fail to realize the US government has been bombing the middle east for over 30 years now. Do you really honestly believe this is a defensive war? Do you think they really hate us for our freedom?
why do i even bother voting if i don't approve of the system?
does the govt stop taxing me if i don't vote?
do i get to ignore laws i don't agree with by not voting?
voting is the initiation of force
voting is a weapon
voting is political self defense
voting republican will not change the republican party
voting democrat will not change the democrat party
voting libertarian will change both of them
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/13926/Hawaii-Election-Results-Highlights.aspx?utm_source=November+9%2C+2014+News+from+Hawaii+Free+Press+&utm_campaign=November+9%2C+2014+Email&utm_medium=email (http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/13926/Hawaii-Election-Results-Highlights.aspx?utm_source=November+9%2C+2014+News+from+Hawaii+Free+Press+&utm_campaign=November+9%2C+2014+Email&utm_medium=email)
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http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/13926/Hawaii-Election-Results-Highlights.aspx?utm_source=November+9%2C+2014+News+from+Hawaii+Free+Press+&utm_campaign=November+9%2C+2014+Email&utm_medium=email (http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/13926/Hawaii-Election-Results-Highlights.aspx?utm_source=November+9%2C+2014+News+from+Hawaii+Free+Press+&utm_campaign=November+9%2C+2014+Email&utm_medium=email)
Duke Aiona and Charles Djou are both losing. Djou’s First and Second read 45% is equal to the total of Mufi’s 11% plus Duke’s 34%.
On third read Djou's margin tightens to 47.5% to Takai's 51.2%. Djou's final (5th) read 47.4 is only 0.9% less than the total of
Duke's 36.7% plus Mufi's 11.6% = 48.3%. This demonstrates that the vast majority of Mufi's votes came at the expense of Duke
Aiona. Splitting the electorate three ways is an old Hawaii Democrat trick.
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blaming others for "stealing" your votes is a great way of hiding from the reality that people don't agree with your platform. shake your head and walk away as much as you want, you aren't entitled to votes just because your temper tantrum demands them to be "yours".
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This is what you get in office when sheeple vote straight party ticket with no concern for the individual candidates' qualifications ....
Candidate with Felony Indictment Wins Re-Election by a Landslide…
Then Gets Convicted for Misdemeanor 3 Days Later.
Democratic Texas State Representative Ron Reynolds is in trouble…again. Named by Texas Monthly as the ‘Worst Legislator of 2013,’
Reynolds hasn’t exactly made a name for himself with his policy decisions.
Reynolds, who is also an attorney, had been under felony indictment for 10 charges of ambulance chasing (officially known as
barratry) in Montgomery County, Texas, leading into his third-term election. Even with these charges, he managed to win by 67
percent over his Republican opponent, David Hamilton.
But Reynolds didn’t get to celebrate his victory for long. Just three days later, he was convicted on six misdemeanor charges of
‘solicitation of professional employment.’
According to the Houston Chronicle, there was a ton of evidence against Reynolds–about 12,000 pages of documents, which
included recorded audio interviews, phone records and multiple bank statements.
Breitbart reports that Reynolds could have gotten off on misdemeanor charges if he’d pleaded guilty, resigned from his State
House seat and withdrawn from the election prior to the jury’s decision.
Instead he took a gamble, presumably thinking that he would win his election and also be found innocent by the jury.
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/199771-corrected-worst-legislator-of-2013-won-re-election-by-a-landslide-despite-felony-indictment-and-was-then-convicted-3-days-after-his-epic-win/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/199771-corrected-worst-legislator-of-2013-won-re-election-by-a-landslide-despite-felony-indictment-and-was-then-convicted-3-days-after-his-epic-win/)
:wtf:
Ron Reynolds is in the red:
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This is what you get in office when sheeple vote straight party ticket with no concern for the individual candidates' qualifications ....
Candidate with Felony Indictment Wins Re-Election by a Landslide…
Then Gets Convicted for Misdemeanor 3 Days Later.
Want some more?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20141105_Philly_Dems_overcome_corruption_allegations__GOP_rolls_outside_city.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20141105_Philly_Dems_overcome_corruption_allegations__GOP_rolls_outside_city.html)
Philly Dems overcome corruption allegations
Excerpt:
U.S. REP. Chaka Fattah coasted to an 11th term yesterday - despite an ongoing federal investigation and the recent guilty plea of his former chief of staff in a complex financial scheme that prosecutors say was initiated by the Democratic congressman.
Voters didn't blink.
Fattah, 57, a senior member of the powerful House Appropriations Committee, steamrolled Republican schoolteacher Armond James by a 9-to-1 margin in the heavily Democratic 2nd District that covers parts of Philadelphia and Montgomery County.
Four other Philly Democrats are headed back to Harrisburg amid a grand-jury probe into allegations that they accepted money or gifts from a wired-up lobbyist working as a government informant.
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Proof that democrats and liberals are fucking idiots, and liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
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It's not like the Republicans are not corrupt...
http://nypost.com/2014/11/10/cuomo-had-a-secret-re-election-pact-with-republicans/ (http://nypost.com/2014/11/10/cuomo-had-a-secret-re-election-pact-with-republicans/)
Cuomo had a secret re-election ‘pact’ with Republicans
Excerpt:
The state’s most powerful Republican secretly worked for months to help Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo win re-election — in exchange for Cuomo’s promise not to aid Senate Democrats in their Long Island races, a top New York GOP leader has charged.
Former state Republican Party Executive Director Michael Lawler — who managed Rob Astorino’s ill-fated gubernatorial run against Cuomo — told The Post that he learned of the alleged bombshell deal between Senate GOP leader Dean Skelos and Cuomo just days ago, after suspecting for months that it existed.
“Dean Skelos clearly was working against Rob’s campaign — he and the governor cut a deal,’’ seethed Lawler, a protégé of GOP Chairman Ed Cox.
Lawler said he realized his explosive comments could cost him his future in New York politics but insisted he didn’t care.
“I’ve had enough of these f—ing people,’’ he said. “I’m happy to go on the record about all of this, and if that means I don’t get a job up in Albany, I’m happy with it.”
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It's not like the Republicans are not corrupt...
http://nypost.com/2014/11/10/cuomo-had-a-secret-re-election-pact-with-republicans/ (http://nypost.com/2014/11/10/cuomo-had-a-secret-re-election-pact-with-republicans/)
Cuomo had a secret re-election ‘pact’ with Republicans
Excerpt:
The state’s most powerful Republican secretly worked for months to help Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo win re-election — in exchange for Cuomo’s promise not to aid Senate Democrats in their Long Island races, a top New York GOP leader has charged.
Former state Republican Party Executive Director Michael Lawler — who managed Rob Astorino’s ill-fated gubernatorial run against Cuomo — told The Post that he learned of the alleged bombshell deal between Senate GOP leader Dean Skelos and Cuomo just days ago, after suspecting for months that it existed.
“Dean Skelos clearly was working against Rob’s campaign — he and the governor cut a deal,’’ seethed Lawler, a protégé of GOP Chairman Ed Cox.
Lawler said he realized his explosive comments could cost him his future in New York politics but insisted he didn’t care.
“I’ve had enough of these f—ing people,’’ he said. “I’m happy to go on the record about all of this, and if that means I don’t get a job up in Albany, I’m happy with it.”
I don't like the shady back room deals and underhanded tactics myself. But, these are a far cry from being indicted or convicted of actual crimes.
I think many politicians are reluctant to cross that line. The ones who do and still get reelected are who cause me stomach pains!
Mayor Marion Barry is a perfect example. So are Jesse Jackson's son, Jesse Jr., and every governor of Illinois the last couple of decades!
In the span of four years starting in 2007, Jesse L. Jackson Jr., then a representative from Illinois, amassed a collection of celebrity memorabilia, furs, jewelry and furniture.
Working with an antiques dealer in Nevada and a furrier in Beverly Hills, Calif., Mr. Jackson bought a $5,000 football signed by United States presidents, two hats that once
belonged to Michael Jackson — including a $4,600 fedora — and an $800 cape.
Mr. Jackson's desire for such objects, however, prompted him to take about $750,000 directly from his campaign funds in violation of campaign finance laws, according to
government documents, unraveling the career of one of the country’s best-known black politicians and the son of a famous civil rights activist.
Federal prosecutors in Washington [have] filed charges against Mr. Jackson tied to his repeated use of campaign funds, including conspiracy to commit wire fraud, mail fraud
and making false statements.
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I don't like the shady back room deals and underhanded tactics myself. But, these are a far cry from being indicted or convicted of actual crimes.
Maybe these recent incidents (no need to mention the Watergate, etc. events) meet your criteria:
Former Connecticut Gov. John G. Rowland, Republican
Rowland resigned from office and later pleaded guilty to one-count of deprivation of honest services on December 23, 2004.
Rowland was allegedly using public funds to pay for vacations and other extravagances. He served 10 months in a federal prison.
Former Rep. Duke Cunningham, Republican-Calif.
The congressman pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion on Nov. 28, 2005.
Former Illinois Gov. George H. Ryan, Republican
On Sept. 6, 2006 the former governor was sentenced to prison on fraud and racketeering charges.
Lewis Libby, Republican
The Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007. His sentence was later commuted by President George W. Bush.
Former Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, Republican
The former senator was arrested on June 11, 2007 for "lewd conduct" in a public restroom.
The scandal eventually led to his retirement from the Senate, thus ending his career in politics.
Former Rep. Rick Renzi, Republican-Ariz.
On June 12, 2013, Renzi was convicted on 17 of 32 counts in a corruption case, accusing him of using his office for personal financial gain.
Rep. Trey Radel, Republican-Fla.
The congressman was convicted of misdemeanor possession of cocaine on November 19, 2013.
Radel's arrest seemed particularly ironic considering the congressman's support of mandated drug tests for welfare recipients.
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i love when shown evidence that the 2 party system is a fraud the goal posts are moved.
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I can't believe 147k people voted for schatz! Why?
Because there are too many people that work for the State and local Governments. We have too small of a state and too many people work for the Government. People that work for Government only survive by being parasites off of the productive private sector. Democrats always promise to continue funding the parasites jobs.
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I was away but read through the comments on the libertarian party.
What I've found along the way during conversation of the libertarian party is this.
Democrats tend to view the libertarians as out of touch with reality because they seek to destroy the socialized support systems and therefore see them as anarchists in general. When calming discussing that these agendas by the libertarians are not considered tenable goals in the here and now but rather reflect a direction in establishing a people that no longer have a need of these things, they begin to open up and understand the libertarian goals and appreciate them and want to know more.
On the other hand when speaking to Republicans, they are typically open to and appreciate the libertarian position but as with most conservatives they point out that there's no chance for the libertarians to win and therefore such a vote would only help out the Democrats.
Both democrats and republicans appreciate the libertarian goals but each from differing perspectives.
This is the key to unifying us as a people with a purpose again. This is our lost middle ground.
If you as a republican or democrat can appreciate the libertarian goals then you can turn to the opposite party and share those thoughts and vice versa. We can only control our nation and redirect its direction if we as people can come together and re-establish our common ground. We cannot allow the corruption to divide us any longer. So, if you refuse to vote libertarian just because the numbers don't seem to be there, at the very least begin using the party to establish a common ground communication channel with those of the opposing party. Friends, family, coworkers etc. It can only be fixed if we fix it amongst one another first. Don't allow your political conversation to dwell on the r or d party.
Back in the old days, I'm sure some here remember neighborhood meetings that discussed these sorts of issues. Maybe you recall your parents or grandparents hosting or involved in these neighborhood meetings. Maybe not for some people. The point is, we need to rediscover our shared ground again and fight fiercely with one another to regain it's major majority again while setting aside the extremist where they belong in the shadows of obscurity.
Please forgive the typos etc. I'm still getting used to this simulated touch keyboard.
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I think you raise a very astute point salty0317.
We are far and away too polarized. This only serves the party's in power, not the people. Remember the old adage "Divide and Conquer". Until we begin having frank discussions and real debate amongst ourselves, keeping ALL options on the table, less those that are obviously untenable and unconstitutional, the pendulum will continue to swing between both extremes. The only benefactor in this situation is the government, and those that seek to "Rule" rather than "Serve".
Our political system is obviously askew, due in no small part to the fact that our choices have been limited to "either/or". We need to put aside our factional differences, and begin to discuss what is good for the country, and therefore the people as whole, rather than attempting to impose an ideal we choose to live by on others.
In short, we should get back to our "roots" via the Constitution, and put government back in it's proper place, serving us rather than ruling us.
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Sorry for the cross posting...
Ben Carson for President 2016
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