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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: new guy on November 11, 2014, 09:32:51 AM
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Any thoughts on current production firearms that might become "classics" in the future?
Not trying to invest in firearms for the purpose of reselling in the future, but I think it'd be nice to be able to, one day, pass along a nice item to the children/grandchildren.
i doubt that any mass produced gun currently will become a "classic" in terms of value
custom 1911s and low build run rifles, maybe
but not anything made currently for production
buy what you like, not what you think others may like later
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Colt Pythons are only really expensive right now, they'll be OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive soon enough...
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So, are you thinking of guns that will be more collectible (limited number made, special editions, no longer produced -- something you stick in the safe and never take to the range),
or classic in the sense it is unique in some way (Ruger 10/22 is "the classic" .22 rifle), but not necessarily going to bring many times its purchase price in 10 years?
As far as the 1911's you are looking at, what models & prices do you perceive as "damn expensive?" Case in point, OGC advertised two new SPRINGFIELD FBI PROFESSIONALS with sequential serial numbers for $2900 each.
Just curious what your thresholds for price and characteristics are when evaluating what constitutes a "classic."
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a sig 210 if you can find one lower than $1800.
HK-P series if you can find one.
All transferable machince guns!!!!!!!!!!!
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a sig 210 if you can find one lower than $1800.
HK-P series if you can find one.
All transferable machince guns!!!!!!!!!!!
i own a P30 and a P30L, but would never consider them "classics"
http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php?topic=761.0 (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php?topic=761.0)
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HKP7- M13
lost the 7 there ::)
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HKP7- M13
lost the 7 there ::)
figured
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Yeah, a Colt Python would definitely be a nice one to pass to the next generation.
Colt 1911 45ACP?
Browning Hi-Power 9mm?
James Bond's Walther PPK?
Clint Eastwood's S&W 44 magnum?
Winchester or Henry lever action rifle?
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Yeah, a Colt Python would definitely be a nice one to pass to the next generation.
Colt 1911 45ACP?
Browning Hi-Power 9mm?
James Bond's Walther PPK?
Clint Eastwood's S&W 44 magnum?
Winchester or Henry lever action rifle?
Remington 700 - How many times have you heard/seen "like a Remington 700" or "Remington 700 action"?
Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 - These two are the gold standard for pumps. Each of us may favor one model over the other, both are classics.
IMI Desert Eagle & Uzi - .50AE in a handgun. Need I say more as to why either are classics?
HK MP5 - I can't think of any other weapon that is more closely associated with anti-terror operations.
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A nice Russian AK 47 with wood furniture.
I'm not a classic, wood furniture guy, but with the ban, Russian AKs will be hard to come by and the traditionals do look nice.
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A nice Russian AK 47 with wood furniture.
I'm not a classic, wood furniture guy, but with the ban, Russian AKs will be hard to come by and the traditionals do look nice.
Just be careful with this as its not a ban its part of sanctions against Russia. Sanctions can be lifted at any time, it could last for a very long time (like with Cuba) but I think that's unlikely short of Putin doing something incredibly aggressive towards a NATO country.
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A nice Russian AK 47 with wood furniture.
I'm not a classic, wood furniture guy, but with the ban, Russian AKs will be hard to come by and the traditionals do look nice.
plus, you can yell, "WOLVERINES!"
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I define a future classic as a trendsetting item designed within the last 50 yrs or so.
The only modern firearms that I can think of offhand is an original AR15/M16 and an original Glock
Many of the items previously mentioned are already classics.
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IMO, classics would be associated with the inventor. Kinda like John Browning's designs.
M16 / AR15 has a military history and designed by Eugene Stoner. But especially now that he died, what could be more iconic than Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK47?
Glocks... Hmmm.. Kinda like plastic utensils. :duck: Maybe if you can get one autographed by Gunny.
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Just be careful with this as its not a ban its part of sanctions against Russia. Sanctions can be lifted at any time, it could last for a very long time (like with Cuba) but I think that's unlikely short of Putin doing something incredibly aggressive towards a NATO country.
Agreed; the sanction against Russia is not the same as a ban on AK47s, poor wording on my part.
My point of the post was this; if the sanctions against Russia stands Russian AKs will be in very short supply with astroinomical prices. The price gouging for Russian AKs has already started....
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IMO, classics would be associated with the inventor.
M16 / AR15 has a military history and designed by Eugene Stoner. But especially now that He died, what could be more iconic than Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK47?
Glocks... Hmmm.. Kinda like plastic utensils. :duck: Maybe if you can get one autographed by Gunny.
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Just the original glock pistols.
Because it really started a whole revolution in handguns.
To me, the Ak47 is already a classic design, not a future classic.
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Just the original glock pistols.
Because it really started a whole revolution in handguns.
To me, the Ak47 is already a classic design, not a future classic.
the first polymer pistol was an HK
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An H&K would be worth passing down to the next gen. More than a Glock I think, considering its price point and cult-like status.
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This is an interesting thread. Thanks, op.
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An H&K would be worth passing down to the next gen. More than a Glock I think, considering its price point and cult-like status.
it would have to be a P7, P9, HK4 or VP70 to be a classic
or MP5/MP7
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Clint Eastwood's S&W 44 magnum?
I could not agree with you more about this one, and I would love to pick up one myself. :thumbsup:
when i think of .44 magnum, this is the revolver that pops into my mind first and foremost.
"I know what you're thinking.
did he fire 6 shots or only 5...........
you gotta ask yourself 1 question:
do I feel lucky.
well do ya, punk?!" :geekdanc:
every handgun guy needs to have a .44 magnum
and the model 29 is definately a classic.
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HK P2000SK LEM Sub Compact will be pass down to my son.
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Ruger 10/22
I will be giving mine to my nephew, and hopefully he can give it to his son when it's time.
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HK P2000SK LEM Sub Compact will be pass down to my son.
nice
BC, did you ever get your VP9?
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Not yet, I'm still paying for the diapers and baby formula. However, Christmas is around the corner.
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Not yet, I'm still paying for the diapers and baby formula. However, Christmas is around the corner.
:D
congrats on the new kid!
too bad the HK rebate doesn't apply to the VP9
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Thanks, my kid will have an awesome armory.
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All great suggestion... thanks!
In response to mauidog: Admittedly kind of cheesy, but I'd love to be able to keep and hold onto a nice firearm for each kid, to present it to them on a very special occasion.
I had thought about saving up for a Ned Christensen 1911 to give to each child on their Wedding Day, to emphasize the importance of the day, to commemorate their transformation into the role of protectors of their families, and to solidify their respect and understanding of the importance of our Second Amendment rights, and to help them develop an appreciation of a finely engineered firearm.
... then I saw the price tag, and I was all, "Yeah, fuck that idea! Those 20-piece flatware sets from Macy's are looking real good, right about now."
Why not get less expensive 1911s, like a Springfield or Dan Wesson, and have the slides personally engraved for each child? It wouldn't really appreciate in value, so not really good for investment, but it would be much more meaningful for them.
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US Rifle, Cal .30, M1
And yeah, P7s are starting to achieve cult status
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I could not agree with you more about this one, and I would love to pick up one myself. :thumbsup:
when i think of .44 magnum, this is the revolver that pops into my mind first and foremost.
every handgun guy needs to have a .44 magnum
and the model 29 is definately a classic.
Totally agree with the model 29.
Also the 629 or 686, a nice shiny revolver to present to your kid on a special day ten to twenty years from now.
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I define a future classic as a trendsetting item designed within the last 50 yrs or so.
The only modern firearms that I can think of offhand is an original AR15/M16 and an original Glock
Many of the items previously mentioned are already classics.
Based on your definition of a future classic take a look at the Chiappa Website. The Rhino, Triple Barreled SHotguns and the X-Caliber are all unique trend setting designs. Not sure how well they are selling. So maybe in 20 or 30 years these models will command a higher price?
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Based on your definition of a future classic take a look at the Chiappa Website. The Rhino, Triple Barreled SHotguns and the X-Caliber are all unique trend setting designs. Not sure how well they are selling. So maybe in 20 or 30 years these models will command a higher price?
Not really a trendsetter, but how about the FN Five seveN
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Not really a trendsetter, but how about the FN Five seveN
only the IOM model ( I have one ) >:D
the USG is just to common.
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Why not get less expensive 1911s, like a Springfield or Dan Wesson, and have the slides personally engraved for each child? It wouldn't really appreciate in value, so not really good for investment, but it would be much more meaningful for them.
I was at OGC once and Carter was talking to a guy about getting sequential Serial #'s for his 1911's, thought to myself that would be cool for handing down to children.
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I was at OGC once and Carter was talking to a guy about getting sequential Serial #'s for his 1911's, thought to myself that would be cool for handing down to children.
Some manufactures can and will do personal Serial Numbers,
I have several firearms with special number ranging from Birthdays , matching calibers, lucky numbers, matching number of parts sets.
One can always call them and ask but do pay a little more.
With 80% you can always do special numbers and name.
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in fact I have several guns with the exact same serial number in my collection.
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Colt Pythons are only really expensive right now, they'll be OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive soon enough...
I've had the privelage of shooting a friend's Colt Anaconda. the 44 mag version, and it was a great shooter as well.
similar to the Python to me in the brief experience i had with it.
but surely the Python is much more well known.
but being a .357 addict, I wonder what revolver took the place of the Python as the best 357? (as far as still being in production)
probably the S&W 66 / 686, although not on the level of the Python.
or you could also argue the Ruger GP100. although not on the level of the Python, but comparable to the 66/686.
being a Ruger guy, and not so anal about performance, I like the GP100 over the 66/686.
recently more and more specialty models coming out in the GP100 platform
but i think for a .357 magnum, either the 66/686 or the GP100 can be considered a future classic.
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the first polymer pistol was an HK
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Gee mac, you and your hk's...
Ok I'll have to admit, when I was in high school, I saw a vp70z and I really wanted one.
Now fast forward 40 years. I met a guy who actually owned one and he said the trigger was pretty horrible since it was meant to be more like a submachine gun.
I am glad I did not rush out and get one.
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Since the op didn't really define what a FUTURE classic is I just made up my own definition, which is basically a recent trendsetter.
A lot of the afformentioned items are old classic firearms already. Eg. Sw m29 and ak47
A lot of items mentioned are truly unique and valuable, but they did not inspire trends and imitators.
If I loosen up my definition, I could indeed include the hk vp70 as classic since it was the first polymer striker fired pistol.
I could also include the rem nylon 66. I believe that to be the first polymer stocked rifle made.
Another candidate would be an hk91 ...maybe.
Anyhowz, FWIW that's my take on this interesting and thought provoking topic.
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Gee mac, you and your hk's...
those damn hawaii kai snobs...
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those damn hawaii kai snobs...
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Exactly
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Exactly
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heads
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Heads who said heads. Ill take some of that. >:D
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Steyr Aug
It's challenging to think of something someone else hasn't already mentioned. I'll put the granddaddy of all modern bullpups up there.
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Heads who said heads. Ill take some of that. >:D
"hugs"
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Steyr AugAugbAugb
It's challenging to think of something someone else hasn't already mentioned. I'll put the granddaddy of all modern bullpups up there.
Already have one AUG A1 in 9mm
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Anything made by red jacket. Instant "neva bin done befoe" classic.
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Anything made by red jacket. Instant "neva bin done befoe" classic.
Interesting. 8)
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I am thinking that one day the Tavor will be viewed as a classic. Not ground breaking in any way but a good rifle that hopefully will continue to prove itself in combat.
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Just be careful with this as its not a ban its part of sanctions against Russia. Sanctions can be lifted at any time, it could last for a very long time (like with Cuba) but I think that's unlikely short of Putin doing something incredibly aggressive towards a NATO country.
Would you think the polytech legend qualify.? Low production, high quality, and prices are really starting to go up.
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pretty much any gun in current use by the military will be considered a "classic" one day imo.
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Would you consider the M9 to be a future classic?