2aHawaii
General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: Q on November 14, 2014, 03:27:42 AM
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Hey Q, that pretty much mirrors my experience trying to get a direct clear answer regarding CCW and/or Second Amendment issues from my public servants. I don't belong to Facebook, so I haven't had the privilege of being banned from any of their sites, but I have failed to receive responses via email and phone. It's what they (most of them) do. And there are no negative consequences for their behavior, because they know if they keep promising unicorns and rainbows to their subjects, those subjects will continue to vote for them. My "representatives" not only don't represent me or protect my rights, they won't even talk to me about the issues. Of the people, by the people, and for the people. I call bullshit. :geekdanc:
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If he's using the page as a public official I don't think he can legally ban you. That's the basis for HDF's legal victory against HPD's FB page banning him.....
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https://www.facebook.com/chrisleeforhawaii/photos/a.719401224740281.1073741826.346767748670299/963974586949609/?type=1&relevant_count=1 (https://www.facebook.com/chrisleeforhawaii/photos/a.719401224740281.1073741826.346767748670299/963974586949609/?type=1&relevant_count=1)
Dare you question this patriot?!
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https://www.facebook.com/chrisleeforhawaii/photos/a.719401224740281.1073741826.346767748670299/963974586949609/?type=1&relevant_count=1 (https://www.facebook.com/chrisleeforhawaii/photos/a.719401224740281.1073741826.346767748670299/963974586949609/?type=1&relevant_count=1)
Dare you question this patriot?!
I wish Halloween was the only day he pretended to be something he's not.
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To be fair he is only addressing issues that Hawaii voters care about. Do you think the right to defend themselves is a paramount issue? I'd guess that most people in Hawaii will just call 911 AFTER the crime, thinking that there was no way to defend themselves. When you think about the laws we have, it is stacked against the law abiding citizen. Who do you think already won when a criminal breaks into your home?
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To be fair he is only addressing issues that Hawaii voters care about. Do you think the right to defend themselves is a paramount issue? I'd guess that most people in Hawaii will just call 911 AFTER the crime, thinking that there was no way to defend themselves. When you think about the laws we have, it is stacked against the law abiding citizen. Who do you think already won when a criminal breaks into your home?
He's sworn an oath of office to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Hawaii", so even if none of his constituents "care" about the civil rights regarding keeping and bearing arms he has a sworn duty to uphold those rights. On a "practical" level, since there are no real electoral (because so few Hawaii citizens care about those rights) or legal consequences when he disregards his oath of office regarding said rights, why should he care? I'm sure he has many "more important" issues to deal with that have the real world outcome of gaining or losing votes in the next election. Thus our only hope for legislative remedies is to elect legislators that take that oath of office seriously in regards to the Second Amendment (and the identically worded Article I, Section 17 of the Hawaii state constitution). Bottom line: we're in Hawaii, ain't gonna happen for a long long time, if ever. The courts are our only hope.
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Can you get me the details on that case and how it was ruled upon?
it was documented on this site
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So where is it?
search is your friend
upper right hand corner
enter "hpd facebook"
6th result brings up this thread
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=4125.0
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So where is it?
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/12959/HPD-Ordered-to-Pay-31K-over-Censored-Facebook-Comments.aspx (http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/12959/HPD-Ordered-to-Pay-31K-over-Censored-Facebook-Comments.aspx)
FYI, Ares Armor is also using the same lawyer that won this case to sue the San Diego Sheriff's Office for the exact same thing.
Application for TRO against Sheriff Bill Gore:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99vEBRSpVxrNFowT1o4azVlcWc/preview?pli=1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99vEBRSpVxrNFowT1o4azVlcWc/preview?pli=1)
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Thanks, now go make me a sandwich.
you're welcome
i know you won't mind that i added a little "special sauce" to your sandwich
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is that legal?
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is that legal?
Only if they have posted a Terms of Use for their page, or Q violated the FB terms. Either way, it can't be up to some ambiguous "standard". It has to be articulated so it can be applied evenly.
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Response:
In other words: "Not only do I not have to actually give you a clear and direct answer to your questions, but I don't even have to listen to you continue to ask your original questions, much less your questions about why I won't answer you, so shut the fuck up."
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I asked the people who fought the HPD case, and they said that it's a slippery slope.
I am waiting for his next response to see what I should do next; maybe wolfwood would like to chime in to save me the trouble.
Curious... did you get any warnings before you were blocked? Did you receive any explanations as to why posts were deleted?
If not, then they are in the wrong. Unless you are being belligerent, threatening, vulgar, or harassing, they should take the time to give a first and second warning, then drop the hammer!
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How can you be belligerent on Facebook? Its a bunch of words...ones and zeroes
: angry and aggressive : feeling or showing readiness to fight
: fighting a war : engaged in a war
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How can you be belligerent on Facebook? Its a bunch of words...ones and zeroes
: angry and aggressive : feeling or showing readiness to fight
: fighting a war : engaged in a war
You must be new to the Internet! :crazy:
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I've talked to at least 50 different people from my town that come from different lifestyles/beliefs/sides of the aisle, and 80-90% of them said that there are far more important things to be worrying about, like the homeless problem in my town and the micronesian problem. While some did say that they think climate change is a big issue, and also felt that his gay marriage fight was worth the effort, they don't see what else he is doing, as he keep harping on gay marriage and climate change and nothing else.
What's wrong with the microsnesians?
Remember "Give me your tired, your poor, your tired, poor. Your huddled masses.."
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What's wrong with the microsnesians?
Remember "Give me your tired, your poor, your tired, poor. Your huddled masses.."
No Aloha for Micronesians in Hawaii
http://www.aroundhawaii.com/community/features/2011-07-no-aloha-for-micronesians-in-hawaii.html (http://www.aroundhawaii.com/community/features/2011-07-no-aloha-for-micronesians-in-hawaii.html)
Micronesians in Hawaii face uncertain future
COFA Agreements provide US regional control in exchange for limited access to America.
http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/10/micronesians-hawaii-face-uncertain-future-201310191535637288.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/10/micronesians-hawaii-face-uncertain-future-201310191535637288.html)
Court: Hawaii Doesn’t Have to Give Micronesians Health Care
http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/04/21680-circuit-court-hawaii-doesnt-have-to-give-micronesians-health-care/ (http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/04/21680-circuit-court-hawaii-doesnt-have-to-give-micronesians-health-care/)
Micronesian Community Rally for Equal Health Care
http://hpr2.org/post/micronesian-community-rally-equal-health-care (http://hpr2.org/post/micronesian-community-rally-equal-health-care)
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http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/27171494/state-officials-concerned-after-citizens-group-detains-fishermen-for-violations (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/27171494/state-officials-concerned-after-citizens-group-detains-fishermen-for-violations)
not cool...maybe they interpreted that COFA allowed them access to fishing too!! :o
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http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/27171494/state-officials-concerned-after-citizens-group-detains-fishermen-for-violations (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/27171494/state-officials-concerned-after-citizens-group-detains-fishermen-for-violations)
not cool...maybe they interpreted that COFA allowed them access to fishing too!! :o
word is they are catching and eating turtles too...
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WTF?! They slaughtered honu? That's F*cked up.
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Turtle is mighty delicious eating. Hopefully they come off the endangered species list soon.
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Turtle is mighty delicious eating. Hopefully they come off the endangered species list soon.
tastes like chicken
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poor honu :'(
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Saw this post and was like whoa...I'm Chris Lee too. But I believe in 2a, support pro-choice (though I am more pro-life), for gay marriage and pretty much don't want government regulating me. Wonder if I can run on his platform.
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Puna Person and Q. It seems like our "officials" are all about attitude and not about serving the rest of us or the community as a whole.Too bad. Our Govt. has officially turned against the people and we are in big trouble. Thing is............ WE are the majority. WE just dont turn out in force to vote. And THEY stay in office. So many people not voting even being registered. Reason? "They're ALL crooks". I am so pissed off this past election. I dont know what else to do. Just hang in there boys. I am encouraged just knowing there are others like myself. Thank you for all you do.
Pastor Dennis
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I was just at the beach in the morning, prior to these events. There was a massive papio school that came through, and lots of local uncles and braddahs came in to enjoy a nice competition. Supposedly when night fell, the 'group of individuals in question' showed up and slaughtered some turtles, and were caught by some locals. Apparently, this 'vigilante group', Na Kua'aina o Waimanalo, has a mass text alert for their organization, so LOTS of people showed up and were able to detain the illegal turtle snatchers until DLNR arrived.
When the community had a discussion, the state named Na Kua'aina o Waimanalo at fault, saying we don't need vigilantes upholding the law. When confronted with the fact that DLNR and the state wasn't doing their job by letting these individuals continue this behavior in many places in Hawaii, they basically said 'what do you want us to do? we are understaffed.'
Yeah...lets call the group trying to protect their home the bad guys, and let people who take advantage of our government, our culture and our way of life do whatever the hell they want, simply because we bombed their islands 70+ years ago.
The main point of this is the same problem that is plaguing our country, with regards to immigrants in general: refusal to conform to OUR society. These people come to our country, and then expect us to conform to their way of life, all while disregarding our laws and shitting on our culture.
Call HPD, they can enforce state fishing laws. Granted they probably wont be up to speed on what size and type of fish are regulated but I think most know you cant catch turtles or monk seals.
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Call HPD, they can enforce state fishing laws. Granted they probably wont be up to speed on what size and type of fish are regulated but I think most know you cant catch turtles or monk seals.
Where do you come up with this misinformation? If you don't know the facts, it's best to not give out incorrect info!
http://www.pifsc.noaa.gov/marine_turtle/violations.php (http://www.pifsc.noaa.gov/marine_turtle/violations.php)
These instructions apply exclusively to sea turtles. Please do not call 911 or any other private or government organizations.
(http://i.imgur.com/EKcLAKU.png)
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Where do you come up with this misinformation? If you don't know the facts, it's best to not give out incorrect info!
I have seen HPD do it before.
Even if they don't issue out the actual citation or arrest they can still document the information with photos, witnesses, and suspect information. The understaffed DLNR or whoever else can then use that report to initiate a criminal charge.
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I have seen HPD do it before.
Even if they don't issue out the actual citation or arrest they can still document the information with photos, witnesses, and suspect information. The understaffed DLNR or whoever else can then use that report to initiate a criminal charge.
You can try and justify your incorrect information all you want, but you are still wrong.
Just because you claim to have seen some Cop do something with a turtle report before doesn't mean you should be posting your opinion as the correct procedure.
HPD has limited resources, too, just like DLNR. I recommend we not tie up police with sea turtle reports when they may be needed for a more important call.
HPD is City & County. DLNR is State jurisdiction. On that point alone, DLNR has more to do with this than HPD.
Again, the correct, documented process is to NOT CALL 911. They specifically state that on the NOAA website.
If you choose to call 911 for DLNR reporting, that's fine for you. Just don't tell others to follow you in your personal choice. The official guidance is 180 degrees from your instructions.
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A Wisconsin case: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/25/man-sues-wisconsin-police-over-facebook-deletions/?intcmp=ob_article_footer_text&intcmp=obinsite (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/25/man-sues-wisconsin-police-over-facebook-deletions/?intcmp=ob_article_footer_text&intcmp=obinsite)
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You can try and justify your incorrect information all you want, but you are still wrong.
Just because you claim to have seen some Cop do something with a turtle report before doesn't mean you should be posting your opinion as the correct procedure.
HPD has limited resources, too, just like DLNR. I recommend we not tie up police with sea turtle reports when they may be needed for a more important call.
HPD is City & County. DLNR is State jurisdiction. On that point alone, DLNR has more to do with this than HPD.
Again, the correct, documented process is to NOT CALL 911. They specifically state that on the NOAA website.
If you choose to call 911 for DLNR reporting, that's fine for you. Just don't tell others to follow you in your personal choice. The official guidance is 180 degrees from your instructions.
Maui, your link doesn't prove that HPD can't handle turtle violations. Yes HPD is C&C but they enforce state laws. DLNR are the specialists for such laws but HPD can enforce the state law. A DLNR officer has even explained this to me before. If you wait for DLNR the violation may be gone, call HPD if they are not available. HPD might not like to handle turtle violations but they can and they do.
If there is a more important call then the police will respond to the more important call first.
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Meanwhile elitist, snob, Chris Lee is not listening to us pro Constitutional citizens and poor honus are being eaten by non Americans....
sad day...sad times
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