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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: 1voyager1 on April 10, 2015, 01:16:55 PM
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Several people in our sub division, while bicycling around the residential area, have felt threatened by dobie type dogs running loose.in the streets.
I had an encounter with a group [pack?] of 3 of them today.
When I made my decision to move here from AK., I knowingly gave up my right to defend myself from attack with a firearm.
So, my question:
Will I run into problems caused by carrying a RTAK knife while bicycling around the sub division?
If not that, what about a regular hunting knife?
They are both tools, but can double as defensive weapons.
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Pepper spray works wonders on dogs. We use it in the postal service.
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Guava stick strap to your bike. Light and very hard.
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Try one of these.
http://www.topairgun.com/repeating-pcp-air-pistols (http://www.topairgun.com/repeating-pcp-air-pistols)
It will kill and is not a firearm. Pricey, but hey, it's cheaper than
the emergency room. I'd paint the barrel orange just in case.
been too many Americans beat up and shot lately.
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Call the humane society
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Thanks guys for your responses.
But, no one has answered my question.
I'll rephrase it:
What are the state's and/or county's regulations regarding the open carry of things on a belt and in a sheath ranging from knives to machetes?
Are they viewed and regulated similarly to the way open carried handguns are?
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Call the humane society
As anyone who has had issues with neighbors letting their dogs run loose knows, this is as useless as t!ts on a bull. ???
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From calling HPD directly about 5 years ago, they told me there was no restriction on blade length. Specific types of knives are prohibited, such as daggers, switchblades, butterflies and those others listed under the HRS. My friend's 23 yr old son started carrying his Cold Steel Kopis machete in his backpack after that. I personally like to carry 2 Spyderco Street Bowies, one on each side. I personally think a long blade like a machete will be too slow to deploy in most self defense situations, although it would be great if it was already in your hand.
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Good to know, I guess I should hit up my pops for one of his cane knives.
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Thanks for your input folks.
Haven't seen those dogs since.
The owners may have heard my squawking around the area.
They had been reported a few times before that.
Anyway, I can still carry the RTAK knife if needed.
It is shorter than a machete and easier to wield.
But, I think that I have found the perfect thing, a 3' assegai.
The only shortcoming I can think of is if against multiple dogs trained to attack hands with weapons.
But, I don't think these dogs are that finely tuned.
I will feel secure with this if it is needed.
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A Cold Steel shambok would also be an excellent choice to inflict severe pain but not kill the dog.
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I have had run ins with lose dogs around my house. neighbor has a pitbull that gets loose at times. The dog mangled some stray kittens that were living in our bbq shack. So i was afraid that one night ill be out smoking a cig and this buggers gonna come in and bite me. So i asked a cop whos a friend. He said when you see him loose call and make a report. If there is a track record and the reports are proof that its happening. When and if you do do something to protect yourself it makes you look better that its been an ongoing problem that you tried to solve by making a report. Vs taking it upon yourself and just doing something. Might make it seem malicious on your end. Its your word vs theirs. Just my 2 cents. ive made numerous reports and at night ill carry my pistol on me if i smoke late at night at my house. Just hope dont have to use it.
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So I grew up in 3rd world countries with packs of semi-wild dogs everywhere.
I am going to ignore your knife question because a knife is a poor tool for defense against a dog. I've been attacked by dogs and you don't want to let them that close. Would you defend yourself against wolves with a knife?
As a kid I always used a big stick and a stare. Body language is very important. Pepper spray should also work but you need to have it handy at all times. That's why sticks are great - you carry them, they're cheap, cops won't give a shit.
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A Cold Steel shambok would also be an excellent choice to inflict severe pain but not kill the dog.
The cold steel sjambok is garbage, unless your intention is pissing off the dog. The design is flawed in that it's too stiff, and you can't really generate a whip/crack effect. I also have the CS sjambok and it was a waste of $25; wish the real ones were still available. I only saw a real hippo hide sjambok in person once and I can tell you I definitely would not want to be hit by that thing, because the crack had the potential to slice.
So I grew up in 3rd world countries with packs of semi-wild dogs everywhere.
I am going to ignore your knife question because a knife is a poor tool for defense against a dog. I've been attacked by dogs and you don't want to let them that close. Would you defend yourself against wolves with a knife?
As a kid I always used a big stick and a stare. Body language is very important. Pepper spray should also work but you need to have it handy at all times. That's why sticks are great - you carry them, they're cheap, cops won't give a shit.
That's why my grandfather modified old golf clubs into spear walking sticks. Probably wouldn't be able to stop a 200# wolf hybrid, but works just fine as a penetration weapon and for keeping distance on normal sized dogs.
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I agree with talula.Pepper spray is a good choice, make sure your down wind. :thumbsup:
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How about a can of CarbKleen? It burns the eyes. I got a lot of that sitting on the shelf.
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How about a can of CarbKleen? It burns the eyes. I got a lot of that sitting on the shelf.
we talking from experience.lol. :D
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Q, I disagree with your opinion as to the effectiveness of the CS sjambok. Some 20 yr old guys I know were playing around with it and one guy hit his friend in the leg with about 10% power and he dropped to the ground holding his leg and telling the other guy he was going to kill him. LOL. He had quite a welt. Here is an interesting article and video on the CS sjambok.
www.donrearic.com/mightysjambok.html (http://www.donrearic.com/mightysjambok.html)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPQzC877O6Q&autoplay=1 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPQzC877O6Q&autoplay=1)
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so since a telescopic baton is an offensive weapon it is prohibited to carry in sheath on belt?
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... . Body language is very important. ...
I agree.
I have used body language to turn black bear, not having to use the .44 mag in my hand.
I have also used body language to turn aggressive threatening dogs with only a rolled up beach towel, a kitchen knife or nothing in my hands being displayed as a weapon.
Body language is what turned those dobies mentioned in my OP.
This was the second time I've confronted aggressive threatening dogs while accompanied by a female with nothing in my hands to protect either of us with.
Sometimes body language fails.
If it does, I want to stop the threat without fail.
From the videos, I do not see the sjambok as being practically effective.
It requires too much effort to use it and it becomes ineffective when the threat gets too close.
The assegai on the other hand can be used to jab and slash so close that you might cut yourself in the process.
That is my definition of a defensive weapon.
Although, I would prefer to have a gun in my hand.
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... You can also pilot a lanyard hole at the end of the shaft and thread a 550 cord loop through, which would be placed around the hand between the thumb and index finger.
As you position your grip toward the middle of the shaft, it will put tension on the cord and aid in preventing your hand sliding down the shaft toward the blade.
I like the lanyard idea.
I envision one similar to the type I used to use on an ice ax.
It kept the hand from sliding around on the handle.
And, it seemed to strengthen my grip on the ax.
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How about a can of CarbKleen? It burns the eyes. I got a lot of that sitting on the shelf.
chlorinated brakleen :thumbsup: blinded myself a few times doing brake jobs.
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I agree.
I have used body language to turn black bear, not having to use the .44 mag in my hand.
I have also used body language to turn aggressive threatening dogs with only a rolled up beach towel, a kitchen knife or nothing in my hands being displayed as a weapon.
Body language is what turned those dobies mentioned in my OP.
This was the second time I've confronted aggressive threatening dogs while accompanied by a female with nothing in my hands to protect either of us with.
Sometimes body language fails.
If it does, I want to stop the threat without fail.
From the videos, I do not see the sjambok as being practically effective.
It requires too much effort to use it and it becomes ineffective when the threat gets too close.
The assegai on the other hand can be used to jab and slash so close that you might cut yourself in the process.
That is my definition of a defensive weapon.
Although, I would prefer to have a gun in my hand.
I understand. Growing up we lived at the end of a long dirt road and lots of unleashed dog packs along it. Individuals can be handled okay but they really are pack animals. So I really do understand.
have you considered bringing it up with neighbours (if they're pets) or animal control of wild?
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Like many others, I have made that mistake a few times spraying carbkleen.
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I've mentioned this before in another post .
A car antenna hurts like hell and is perfectly legal.
A quick whip to the dog's face (or pretty much anywhere else) will turn it around.
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When confronted with an aggressive dog when I was a youngster, for some reason I remember some dogs flinch and back away, when you act like you are picking up a rock and acting like you are ready to throw it. It's a gamble though, it didn't work on all dogs.
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You can open carry any knife.
You can not conceal carry dirks, daggers and knives similar to that.
You can not conceal carry knives with knuckles like some WWI trench knives.
You can conceal any other type of knife.
I've carried a knife every day since freshman year and will continue to do so when we finally get to CCW our guns. If I'm wearing a belt I have a 9" (total length) fixed blade, if I don't have a belt then I carry a folder.
Big blades are cute and all, but through combative knife training I've found smaller blades to be superior especially in a defensive scenario. My stance is that if you have time to wind up a machete to take out a family dog then you're being too proactive. If a dog does in fact attack you you'll easily be able to draw and manipulate a smaller knife where as a big blade would be clunky and cumbersome.
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Really guys and gals. Are you so blood thirsty at knifing or shooting a dog that you don't know whether tame or not? Some large dogs such as a Doberman can be fierce only as a facade and not dangerous. I used to have Dobermans that would do this to intruders but would back away from a real fight. I never let them loose from my yard on purpose although one time they escaped but were caught by the Humane Society and returned to me. They were pleased that the dogs gave up so easily and were tame. If you ever owned and played with a large breed dog, you will know that you don't need a weapon to fend them off, hand and body maneuvers are all you need from getting bit. Dogs only have one weapon, their mouth, and it is fairly easy to push at their heads to avoid it.
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Really guys and gals. Are you so blood thirsty at knifing or shooting a dog that you don't know whether tame or not? Some large dogs such as a Doberman can be fierce only as a facade and not dangerous. I used to have Dobermans that would do this to intruders but would back away from a real fight. I never let them loose from my yard on purpose although one time they escaped but were caught by the Humane Society and returned to me. They were pleased that the dogs gave up so easily and were tame. If you ever owned and played with a large breed dog, you will know that you don't need a weapon to fend them off, hand and body maneuvers are all you need from getting bit. Dogs only have one weapon, their mouth, and it is fairly easy to push at their heads to avoid it.
Hi Greg! Please share with us all so we can be educated about these "manuevers". Have you tried these "manuevers" on non-familiar animals yourself? We are fortunate that we don't have to worry about rabis here in Hawaii, but everywhere else, the LAST thing you should ever do is go hands on with an agitated animal.
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Bota, I'm not Gregg. So you think it is OK to just hurt an animal that may be somebody's pet? Read carefully at what I wrote . I guess fear is all you can think off and killing the animal is the solution.
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Ok Greg! Don't change the subject by trying to deflect - what are these "manuevers". Your advice is, "Dogs only have one weapon, their mouth, and it is fairly easy to push at their heads to avoid it." ??? You just told me to avoid putting my hands near their mouth! Senpai, your advice contradicts itself. I really don't believe you've ever had to defend yourself from an animal that was really intent on hurting you.
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Bota. I am not going argue my case against an idiot like you. You have never owned a dog have you? I can see that already. I am a long time hunter, having killed wild boars with knives and dogs. I have even captured some with bare hands, had one that stopped breathing and then I revived it. I know where to place a good fist hit to kill a hog. Really, don't think I know nothing about animals. If this forum is going to rally for unnecessary animal deaths, then I quit this forum. I will not be coming back on.
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Bota. I am not going argue my case against an idiot like you. You have never owned a dog have you? I can see that already. I am a long time hunter, having killed wild boars with knives and dogs. I have even captured some with bare hands, had one that stopped breathing and then I revived it. I know where to place a good fist hit to kill a hog. Really, don't think I know nothing about animals. If this forum is going to rally for unnecessary animal deaths, then I quit this forum. I will not be coming back on.
Realistically speaking I don't think your 5 posts will be missed all that much but that's besides the point. I think some members have been a little gung-ho in their imagining of scenarios involving dog attacks and I said as much above. While I do agree with you I simply addressed the legality of carrying knives in public.
The bottom line is that if a normal Joe that doesn't have the dog whispering skills that you seem to possess is attacked and knocked to the ground their options become limited and I wouldn't put a dogs life above my own.
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Bota. I am not going argue my case against an idiot like you. You have never owned a dog have you? I can see that already. I am a long time hunter, having killed wild boars with knives and dogs. I have even captured some with bare hands, had one that stopped breathing and then I revived it. I know where to place a good fist hit to kill a hog. Really, don't think I know nothing about animals.
Yeah, I have. All were proudly adopted from the Humane Society - except for one we got from a breeder Your knowledge of animals is not what I am questioning. You make not being a victim as easy as side stepping a crack in the side walk. So let's say you do manage to push the dog's head aside, then what? You're back where you started.
If this forum is going to rally for unnecessary animal deaths, then I quit this forum. I will not be coming back on.
WTF? Where are you getting this from? Most of the posts had to do with people and their suggestions to the OP. I think you're overreacting.
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Man, if I see a pitbull running at me in attack mode, I'm sure as hell not going to wait and see if I can convince him I'm his friend! Not all pits are vicious, but when one decides to do bad things, they are bent on finishing what they started. Their jaws are vices, and you'll have a tough time getting them off you once they get a hold.
in this scenario, I'll use whatever it takes to keep me safe.
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I was never lucky enough to be taught the Jedi mind tricks, nor dog whispering. I will just do what is comfortable with me.
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I know where to place a good fist hit to kill a hog.
do not mess with this guy.
this guy knows the piggy Dim Mak! ;)
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do not mess with this guy.
this guy knows the piggy Dim Mak! ;)
But, HE IS NOT A TANAKA!!!.... LOL!!!...
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Really guys and gals. Are you so blood thirsty at knifing or shooting a dog that you don't know whether tame or not?
Bota, I'm not Gregg. So you think it is OK to just hurt an animal that may be somebody's pet? Read carefully at what I wrote . I guess fear is all you can think off and killing the animal is the solution.
If one of my dogs were hit by a car on a city street because he or she was running loose, I wouldn't blame the driver of the car, I would blame myself for not having control of my dog. Several years ago, I had to confront four blue and whites that were called because of my loose dogs. It happens, rarely, but it happens. The officers and the neighbors told me "wow your dogs are really nice but they look scary". You cannot blame someone for wanting to defend themselves from an unknown "attacker". If you have a pet it is your responsibility to keep him or her safe. While walking my dogs, on leash, there have been several occasions with loose dogs or dogs jumping over their enclosures, including pitbulls, and charging my dogs, in all but one instance the results were a lot of butt sniffing (dogs, not me). In the one instance, with a pitbull, where there was actually a dog fight, the owner of the other dog got control of his pet before there were any injuries. If the pitbull were to get a hold of my dog, a knife would have come out and I would have done whatever necessary to protect my pet. I do not consider myself or others that have posted on this topic "blood thirsty".
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I have 4 Rottweilers living in my house and I cannot imagine anyone trying to defend themself from a canine like that by pushing their head away, I think they would lose their hand and arm in the process.
A dog's paws can also inflict damage. FYI a pitbull has a bite force of 235 lbs, 71% of a Rottweiler.
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Maybe I should go back to my old school roots and try walking around with a knife and fork. Then when confronted with a dog, whip out utensils, say "come here fuffy...", "I want some adobo..." Maybe the dog will associate the old Filipino stereotype in the vid below.
https://youtu.be/qzZEAuvcgbA
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Try one of these.
http://www.topairgun.com/repeating-pcp-air-pistols (http://www.topairgun.com/repeating-pcp-air-pistols)
It will kill and is not a firearm. Pricey, but hey, it's cheaper than
the emergency room. I'd paint the barrel orange just in case.
been too many Americans beat up and shot lately.
Carrying around an airgun on your hip, or attached to you bike, would be illegal.
Sec. 41-8.1 Definitions.
"Air gun" means any gun, rifle or pistol, by whatever name known, which is designed to expel a pellet or BB shot by the
action of compressed air or gas, or by the action of a spring or elastic but does not include any firearm.
"Dealer" means any person engaged in the business of selling or renting air guns. (Sec. 13-19.1, R.O. 1978 (1983 Ed.))
Sec. 41-8.2 Restrictions on sale, rental, gift or other transfer.
(a) It is unlawful for any dealer to sell, lend, rent, give or otherwise transfer an air gun to any person under the age of 18 years
where the dealer knows or has reasonable cause to believe the person to be under 18 years of age or where the dealer has
failed to make reasonable inquiry relative to the age of such person and such person is under 18 years of age.
(b) It is unlawful for any person to sell, lend, rent, give or otherwise transfer any air gun to any person under 18 years of age,
except where the relationship of parent and child, guardian and ward, or adult instructor and pupil exists between such
person and the person under 18 years of age.
(Sec. 13-19.2, R.O. 1978 (1983 Ed.))
Sec. 41-8.3 Restrictions on use.
(a) It is unlawful for any person to carry or display an air gun on any street, alley, public road or on any public land, unless the
air gun is unloaded and in a suitable case or securely wrapped.
(b) It is unlawful for any person to discharge any air gun from or across any street, sidewalk, alley or public land, or any public
place except on a properly constructed target range.
(c) It is unlawful for any person to discharge any air gun on any private parcel of land or residence in such a manner that the
pellet or BB shot may reasonably be expected to traverse any ground or space outside the limits of such parcel of land or
residence or in such a manner that persons or property may be endangered; provided, that nothing in this article shall be
deemed to prevent any person who has obtained a hunting license pursuant to HRS Chapter 183D from engaging in
hunting in accordance with law.
(d) It is unlawful for any person to discharge any air gun in such a manner or under such circumstances that persons or
property may be endangered.
(Sec. 13-19.3, R.O. 1978 (1983 Ed.); Am. Ord. 96-58, 03-23)