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Title: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 07:35:40 PM
At HK neighborhood board meeting
On the agenda
Reports of bullets falling on or near ahukini street homes, most recently 4/12/15
Details to follow
Hra representative is hear along with Edster and myself
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: ren on April 28, 2015, 07:38:10 PM
Remind them that KHSC is NOT the only source of firearms discharges.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 28, 2015, 07:38:55 PM
Hobby horse! Lol. Is there a police report?  Otherwise anyone can throw around accusations.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 07:45:11 PM
Edster noticed that hra president Harvey Gerwig is here too
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: ren on April 28, 2015, 07:58:04 PM
hmmm..
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/18673359/city-investigates-claims-that-shooting-range-bullets-are-ending-up-in-neighborhoods (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/18673359/city-investigates-claims-that-shooting-range-bullets-are-ending-up-in-neighborhoods)

"Knudsen happens to be the chairman of the Hawaii Kai Neighborhood Board. He said his discovery, coupled with earlier discoveries of bullets on rooftops along Ahukini Street in 2009, have reopened the discussion about safety at the range. Knudsen claims the city hasn't followed safety recommendations that were made in a 2001 master plan report."

is this the same pristine bullets that Ed Masaki called out in the district park meeting in 2012?

(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/photo-99.png)
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
It's getting good
Board member arguing that topic is being brought forward by the chair under dubious conditions
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: ren on April 28, 2015, 08:03:28 PM
BTW, thank you to all the HK residents representing the shooting community at large. :thumbsup: :shaka:
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:03:32 PM
Edster speaking now
Stating that you would need to shoot through the eyebrow for a bullet to land on ahukini street
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: ren on April 28, 2015, 08:04:25 PM
Edster speaking now
Stating that you would need to shoot through the eyebrow for a bullet to land on ahukini street
and that would change the flight of the bullet tremendously
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:05:03 PM
Architect that proposed improvements to the range last year speaking now
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
Kevin mulkern
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:06:52 PM
Had sketches last year that we commented upon

Saying that there was a petition years ago asking for improvements to the range and had another one at the march gun show
Wants to circulate petition
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: ren on April 28, 2015, 08:07:43 PM
Architect that proposed improvements to the range last year speaking now
Yeah, I stopped by his table at the last gunshow. His design is expensive. He also stumped me on a Dillon 550b a few years ago.
Not sure if he is really FOR the continued operation of the range or wants to line his pocket.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:09:16 PM
He's got suspenders on his shorts
Looks like Pinocchio
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:11:26 PM
It's not Harvey
Oops
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 28, 2015, 08:15:25 PM
He's got suspenders on his shorts
Looks like Pinocchio

Wow Knudsen is really letting himself slide.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:15:27 PM
Ron Livingston from hra speaking now
Hra has not heard from mayor nor new parks director after range consultant came last year
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:16:07 PM
Despite agreement from mayor to work with hra and to budget money for planning
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: aieahound on April 28, 2015, 08:16:24 PM
Thanks for the updates Mac.   :shaka:

You go Ed !  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:19:38 PM
Board member asked why there is not a group like "friends of hanauma bay"
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 08:20:10 PM
There's an idea....
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: robtmc on April 28, 2015, 09:41:32 PM
Hmmm, Chinese New Year was not so long ago. 

Kalama Valley could be like a war zone on some holidays.  Had a good brush fire going one year.  Another year looked like the videos of the first Gulf War over Baghdad.

I am sure some of what I heard was someone taking the opportunity to crank a few rounds off.................
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on April 28, 2015, 10:36:07 PM
Hmmm, Chinese New Year was not so long ago. 

Kalama Valley could be like a war zone on some holidays.  Had a good brush fire going one year.  Another year looked like the videos of the first Gulf War over Baghdad.

I am sure some of what I heard was someone taking the opportunity to crank a few rounds off.................

we're going to have to go "fight club" on this discussion...
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: edster48 on April 29, 2015, 05:36:15 AM
To begin, thanks for showing up mac. It's always nice to have some company!   :thumbsup:

Second, I'm afraid I'll have to take issue with the title of this thread.

You forgot to insert the word ALLEGED into it. All of the supposed instances of bullets escaping the range are ALLEGED. To my knowledge, NO EVIDENCE has been put forth to PROVE these bullets came from KHSC. It is all based entirely on assumption. Until such a time as a recognized ballistics expert has come forth and explained how these bullets couldn't possibly be from anywhere else, I refuse to except as fact that these rounds came from KHSC.

I highly recommend we all take this stance. We shouldn't give our opponents an inch of slack, they won't give us any.

That being said, despite the fact that he prefaced it with another round of "It's raining bullets in Hawaii Kai!" GK's proposal was that the Board work in concert with the HRA to get the C&C to make improvements to the range. Having spoken with him in the past on this subject I can say that he's not completely opposed to us and could be a valuable ally in getting improvements approved and funded. HRA seems to have made peace with him, and while I can't as yet recommend complete trust, I would suggest a less contentious attitude.

 For the moment.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 29, 2015, 09:44:51 PM
Agreed, the issue must be pressed as being properly documented by police with recovery of the evidence and pictures of the damages to the homes. Besides if the homes were really in danger then I would be much more worried about the hikers on the mountain. Actually I am surprised they still allow people to hike that given it's location but thats another topic.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: xer 21 on May 01, 2015, 11:21:22 PM
hmmm..
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/18673359/city-investigates-claims-that-shooting-range-bullets-are-ending-up-in-neighborhoods (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/18673359/city-investigates-claims-that-shooting-range-bullets-are-ending-up-in-neighborhoods)

"Knudsen happens to be the chairman of the Hawaii Kai Neighborhood Board. He said his discovery, coupled with earlier discoveries of bullets on rooftops along Ahukini Street in 2009, have reopened the discussion about safety at the range. Knudsen claims the city hasn't followed safety recommendations that were made in a 2001 master plan report."

is this the same pristine bullets that Ed Masaki called out in the district park meeting in 2012?

(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af127/heaviescc/photo-99.png)

damn, that looks like it came straight from the box, lol.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: macsak on May 02, 2015, 06:05:44 AM
damn, that looks like it came straight from the box, lol.

heads
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: edster48 on May 02, 2015, 06:40:44 AM
damn, that looks like it came straight from the box, lol.

Yeah, a really old box, that was buried in the dirt for 30 years......

I've never had fresh ammo that was the color of a well circulated penny from 1942. If I did pull ammo out of a box and the projectiles were this weathered, I would seriously wonder if moisture had effected the powder.
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: eyeeatingfish on May 02, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
Police report or it didn't happen!
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: xer 21 on May 03, 2015, 11:38:09 PM
Yeah, a really old box, that was buried in the dirt for 30 years......

I've never had fresh ammo that was the color of a well circulated penny from 1942. If I did pull ammo out of a box and the projectiles were this weathered, I would seriously wonder if moisture had effected the powder.
well, i didnt mean age wise.  i just meant, it looks like it never hit anything.  at all.  you'd expect an actual stray projectile to be scratched or deformed, right?
Title: Re: New khsc range incident 4/12/15
Post by: edster48 on May 04, 2015, 05:09:05 AM
well, i didnt mean age wise.  i just meant, it looks like it never hit anything.  at all.  you'd expect an actual stray projectile to be scratched or deformed, right?

Not a reflection on your post xer 21, I understood what you meant.

Yes it IS amazing. Apparently there is something quite special about KHSC that allows bullets to ricochet off of metal plates and rocks and remain utterly pristine.

I expect ballistics experts and the scientific community to descend on the place at any moment..........