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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: matt0137 on June 16, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
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Anyone think he stands a chance?
...he is a big 2a supporter based on interviews in the past.
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Anyone think he stands a chance?
...he is a big 2a supporter based on interviews in the past.
Here's how he represented his views in 2000:
Dems and Reps are both wrong on guns
It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns,
which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans
walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check
I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet
technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000
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Did not know that was his stance on the 2A.
My dislike for him has gone down. A bit.
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All over my social media feed as soon as he announced.
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Traditionally, candidates like Trump that don't have a political background won't make it to the Republican nomination. So I wouldn't worry about him getting to that point. I just hope he doesn't decide to run as an Independent after he loses. He could potentially pull votes away from Hilary's opposition. And that would not be a good thing.
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Traditionally, candidates like Trump that don't have a political background won't make it to the Republican nomination. So I wouldn't worry about him getting to that point. I just hope he doesn't decide to run as an Independent after he loses. He could potentially pull votes away from Hilary's opposition. And that would not be a good thing.
I do agree with you on both points - especially the part about him running as an independent.
For me - I'm so disappointed with all politicians that NOT having previous political background is a plus for me. Candidates like Trump, Carson, and Fiorina interest me for that very fact. I also like Trump's no BS approach. It's the same thing I like about Chris Christie without Christie's moderate (even democratic-leaning) positions on several topics. I don't think he will end up the nominee and I'm not saying he's my top pick, but we could certainly do much worse.
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I do agree with you on both points - especially the part about him running as an independent.
For me - I'm so disappointed with all politicians that NOT having previous political background is a plus for me. Candidates like Trump, Carson, and Fiorina interest me for that very fact. I also like Trump's no BS approach. It's the same thing I like about Chris Christie without Christie's moderate (even democratic-leaning) positions on several topics. I don't think he will end up the nominee and I'm not saying he's my top pick, but we could certainly do much worse.
I tend to lean the same way you do regarding candidates that don't necessarily have a political background because I am very much a Conservative fiscally. I like what Trump said about fixing some of our social programs as well as bringing back our economy. Unfortunately, I think we need someone who also is going to be able to play the game (and be strong) when it comes to foreign policies. And that is where most of the non political candidates fall apart for me. While I think we should build that wall between us and Mexico I also believe it is in our best interest to not disassociate ourselves from our neighbor like Trump was saying. Because Mexico could allow our enemies right up to our back door. And we could get screwed without lube. And as some here know, that would hurt! :rofl: Having Mexico as our friend helps put a buffer between our border and South America. We need to deal with Iran and Russia with a strong hand and the might of our strong military. Whether it is going back into places we don't want to be, or just rattle our sabre a bit to see if they back down. We also need to treat our allies like our best friends and show unity amongst us to the rest of the world. I just don't see Trump or Fiorina being able to lead us down these slippery slopes. I feel it takes more of a statesman than these 2 are.
With all this said I do like Fiorina a bit more than Trump. I believe she is a bit more of a statesman (statesperson?) than he is. And a better leader. But I have to say I think so far for me I like (In no particular order) Pataki, Jindal and Walker. I hope one of these 3 will get the nod. JMHO :shaka:
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I'm disappointed that 99% of politicians are lawyers.
We need more doctors, more scientists and more soldiers in congress.
Also, it needs to be a service again, not a career.
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Career Politicians are what we have. Civil Servants is what we want.
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I tend to lean the same way you do regarding candidates that don't necessarily have a political background because I am very much a Conservative fiscally. I like what Trump said about fixing some of our social programs as well as bringing back our economy. Unfortunately, I think we need someone who also is going to be able to play the game (and be strong) when it comes to foreign policies. And that is where most of the non political candidates fall apart for me. While I think we should build that wall between us and Mexico I also believe it is in our best interest to not disassociate ourselves from our neighbor like Trump was saying. Because Mexico could allow our enemies right up to our back door. And we could get screwed without lube. And as some here know, that would hurt! :rofl: Having Mexico as our friend helps put a buffer between our border and South America. We need to deal with Iran and Russia with a strong hand and the might of our strong military. Whether it is going back into places we don't want to be, or just rattle our sabre a bit to see if they back down. We also need to treat our allies like our best friends and show unity amongst us to the rest of the world. I just don't see Trump or Fiorina being able to lead us down these slippery slopes. I feel it takes more of a statesman than these 2 are.
With all this said I do like Fiorina a bit more than Trump. I believe she is a bit more of a statesman (statesperson?) than he is. And a better leader. But I have to say I think so far for me I like (In no particular order) Pataki, Jindal and Walker. I hope one of these 3 will get the nod. JMHO :shaka:
I've heard many people make similar comments about lack of foreign policy experience (not against Trump particularly, but against any "outsider" candidate.) Let me, respectfully, offer a different viewpoint: Historically, we elect more governors than senators. Governors have little to no foreign policy experience except possibly border states, but then it's really dealing with Mexico and not other international affairs. Even senators may have little foreign policy experience. Obama is a good example, but I could say the same about most of the candidates. Besides Lindsey Graham and Hillary - who else has had much foreign policy experience? Trump and Fiorina have conducted business internationally and while that doesn't necessarily make you an expert in national foreign policy, but it does count for something and I do think it could give you a leg up on a governor or junior senator.
I get what you're saying about Fiorina being the better statesman and I like her as a candidate, but I don't mind having a strong leader in the white house that isn't afraid to ruffle some feathers, tells it like it is, and quits worrying about being PC. If we want to see Washington reformed to any extent, I think it's going to take a firebrand like a Trump to shake up that town. We've had those kinds of people in the white house before, it was just a really long time ago.
All that said - I'd take anyone over Hillary so whatever shakes out, I will fully support her challenger.
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I'm disappointed that 99% of politicians are lawyers.
We need more doctors, more scientists and more soldiers in congress.
Also, it needs to be a service again, not a career.
Agreed!
The good news - that leaves several GOP candidates to support. Unless I'm mistaken, the following are not attorneys:
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Carly Fiorina
Mike Huckabee
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Donald Trump
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True, but it's not about who is most qualified, but who will get the most media attention and backing of the establishment.
I'm sure if Kim Kardashian's ass ran for office, it would win by a landslide because people are such idiots
:D
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True, but it's not about who is most qualified, but who will get the most media attention and backing of the establishment.
I'm sure if Kim Kardashian's ass ran for office, it would win by a landslide because people are such idiots
It's not that far-fetched....we have an ass as president now. Why not another?
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It's not that far-fetched....we have an ass as president now. Why not another?
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so which is bigger?
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Well, Obama is a black ass and Kim Kartrashian likes blacks in her ass, so they share some similarities.
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Well, Obama is a black ass and Kim Kartrashian likes blacks in her ass, so they share some similarities.
Wow! What started off as a thoughtful conversation about presidential politics and foreign policy has devolved into trash talking reality stars and their anal sex practices.
I blame Q >:D
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Wow! What started off as a thoughtful conversation about presidential politics and foreign policy has devolved into trash talking reality stars and their anal sex practices.
I blame Q >:D
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Hi Ed! :wave:
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HI FRED!! :D
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easy way to stop all these career crooks err .. politicians is TERM LIMITS !
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easy way to stop all these career crooks err .. politicians is TERM LIMITS !
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Anyone think he stands a chance?
not in a million years
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And term limits would NOT be easy. Would require a constitutional amendment... Good luck getting congresscritters to vote to limit the length of their ride on the gravy train.
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And term limits would NOT be easy. Would require a constitutional amendment... Good luck getting congresscritters to vote to limit the length of their ride on the gravy train.
FYI: the state legislatures can override Congress' reluctance to propose an amendment:
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress
with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate
-- OR --
by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/ (http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/)
I know ... easier said than done!
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FYI: the state legislatures can override Congress' reluctance to propose an amendment:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/ (http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/)
I know ... easier said than done!
Yep... since most of those state legislators see that federal gravy train when they dream about what they want to be when they grow up.
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Do people actually believe Trump jumped in on this deal to be President?
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Do people actually believe Trump jumped in on this deal to be President?
I believe Trump thinks he can buy his way in. But let's face it, all presidents buy their way in these days, one way or another. So let's look at this from another point of view. What if Trump decides to commit a few Billion to his campaign. Out spending even the top candidates combined. And runs as the smart choice to politics as usual. With the right multimedia marketing campaign I think he can make a huge dent in the Republican good 'ol boys club. The reason I believe he won't make it as the Republican nominee is that he not a part of that good 'ol boys club. He sure could make a good run of it though. That is why I am worried about him running as an Independent.
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I believe Trump thinks he can buy his way in. But let's face it, all presidents buy their way in these days, one way or another. So let's look at this from another point of view. What if Trump decides to commit a few Billion to his campaign. Out spending even the top candidates combined. And runs as the smart choice to politics as usual. With the right multimedia marketing campaign I think he can make a huge dent in the Republican good 'ol boys club. The reason I believe he won't make it as the Republican nominee is that he not a part of that good 'ol boys club. He sure could make a good run of it though. That is why I am worried about him running as an Independent.
I somewhat agree. Trump is a business man, a good one at that. IMO, Trump is using this to make a few under the table multi-billion dollar deals. From what I see, he will get a large group of loyal voters/supporters. As the campaign will go on, other candidates will notice his percentage of voters/followers. My guess would be one of the top 3 Republican candidates will offer Trump with a few under the table multi-billion dollar business deals to drop out from the race in exchange to publically show his support for Republican candidate "X" and his voters/supporters will follow Trump's wishes. IMO, that is smart, the typical political underworld deals, scratch this candidates back for a few big money making transactions in the future.
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Many of the polls now show Trump as being in second place in the polls.I know it is early, but there is a theory running around about this. And that is that the candidates are not taking Trump very seriously. Therefore they are concentrating their efforts on defeating everyone else. Leaving Trump all alone. The theory is if all the other candidates start beating up on each other their polling numbers could drop leaving Trump all alone in first place. Just saying.... :shaka:
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I have to admit, I like his no BS, non politically correct attitude. Apparently so do a large swath of Americans. I think there's a large percentage of us, myself included, that are tired of taking crap off of the same countries that couldn't survive without the money, or military support they receive from us.
I think that, for the moment, I'm going to keep an open mind about Trump.
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Well The Donald may be for show but he was vindicated after the illegal shot the woman in SF. Most news didn't cover the recent traffic death of a newscaster in OK caused by another illegal.
Barry will say it's a gun issue and not an illegal alien cause of light border security. If you don't hear a big deal about how he got the gun in the news, that is proof it was from F&F.
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Well The Donald may be for show but he was vindicated after the illegal shot the woman in SF. Most news didn't cover the recent traffic death of a newscaster in OK caused by another illegal.
Barry will say it's a gun issue and not an illegal alien cause of light border security. If you don't hear a big deal about how he got the gun in the news, that is proof it was from F&F.
https://youtu.be/MT_mbmv6jFw
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Todays news already indicating that the firearm belonged to a fed. The "story" is that it was stolen from the fed's car in SF. Wonder if it was reported but I think it came from Mexico via the feds. This is why the media didn't go on a feeding frenzy about how the illegal obtained the gun.
It is so obvious when the media and antis silence is deafening. Something like Hillary's silence in answering questions from the lassoed reporters.
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Todays news already indicating that the firearm belonged to a fed. The "story" is that it was stolen from the fed's car in SF. Wonder if it was reported but I think it came from Mexico via the feds. This is why the media didn't go on a feeding frenzy about how the illegal obtained the gun.
It is so obvious when the media and antis silence is deafening. Something like Hillary's silence in answering questions from the lassoed reporters.
It's not like this is the first firearm ever received by Mexican criminals from our Federal Law Enforcement Agencies!
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The poles not only have Trump in the lead still. He is surging ahead and is at 20%. The good thing I see out of this pole is that Scott Walker is in second place. He is one of the few I wanted to see emerge as a front runner.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-surge-jeb-bush-slump-2016-poll-120795.html
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As a business man, 4 of his company's/holdings each filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy's. :crazy:
Savvy business to reduce his debt in a failing holding but at you know who's expense. :shake:
I can see him going till close to the end, dropping out (bought out) then telling his constituents to vote for who ever paid him off. :wtf:
I mean, that's a good business plan, right ? >:D
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The Fox debates are going to be monster. All due to Trump haha! What a way to get people back and involved. Cheer, yell or scream at the toob it's going to be great.j
You see ANY other candidate making this proclamation? Me neither. Golfclap just for that.
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As a business man, 4 of his company's/holdings each filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy's. :crazy:
Savvy business to reduce his debt in a failing holding but at you know who's expense. :shake:
I can see him going till close to the end, dropping out (bought out) then telling his constituents to vote for who ever paid him off. :wtf:
I mean, that's a good business plan, right ? >:D
Actually not.
As Perot found out, if he's planning on getting matching funds for his campaign from the gov't (you know, that box on your tax return that says give so much of your money to the Presidential Campaign Fund?), he has to be on the ticket on election day.
Perot dropped out reportedly due to threats of people showing up to his daughter's wedding to cause havoc, among other reasons. He jumped back in before the election to avoid forfeiture of the matching funds.
Unless Trump is taking the high road and totally funding the campaign through contributions and his own fortune, it would not be good business to bail before the election. I assume that's what you meant by "close to the end" and not the party nomination.
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As Perot found out, if he's planning on getting matching funds for his campaign from the gov't (you know, that box on your tax return that says give so much of your money to the Presidential Campaign Fund?), he has to be on the ticket on election day.
Unless Trump is taking the high road and totally funding the campaign through contributions and his own fortune, it would not be good business to bail before the election. I assume that's what you meant by "close to the end" and not the party nomination.
By dropping out I meant and said "bought out".
As for that little box on my tax return that says donate $1.00 to presidential elections, how many of the 245,273,438 adults (2014 census) of the USA check that box ?
I sure the "H" don't give the government one more red cent than I have to, much less another $1.00 to waste (again). :grrr:
Did you ?
If every one of those adult Americans worked and paid taxes checked that box, it would be a paltry $2.5 million.
And remember, only half of that buck would go to your party and you'd be supporting your opponent's party with the other half ! :wave:
The 2012 campaign spending collected $2,0651 MILLION DOLLARS, almost twice the amount of the 2012 $1.1 trillion Federal deficit :wtf:
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By dropping out I meant and said "bought out".
As for that little box on my tax return that says donate $1.00 to presidential elections, how many of the 245,273,438 adults (2014 census) of the USA check that box ?
I sure the "H" don't give the government one more red cent than I have to, much less another $1.00 to waste (again). :grrr:
Did you ?
If every one of those adult Americans worked and paid taxes checked that box, it would be a paltry $2.5 million.
And remember, only half of that buck would go to your party and you'd be supporting your opponent's party with the other half ! :wave:
The 2012 campaign spending collected $2,0651 MILLION DOLLARS, almost twice the amount of the 2012 $1.1 trillion Federal deficit :wtf:
I never, ever checked that box on any return.
And, the amount was raised a few years ago to $3. That's what's on the 2014 1040A.