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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on June 18, 2015, 08:23:05 AM
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https://www.yahoo.com/politics/obama-on-charleston-its-too-easy-to-get-guns-in-121848101296.html (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/obama-on-charleston-its-too-easy-to-get-guns-in-121848101296.html)
President Barack Obama says the Charleston church mass shooting could happen because the alleged killer “had no trouble” getting a gun. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
(http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/obama-guns.jpg)
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Almost like clockwork, the liberals sensed loss of momentum, so voila!
Another mass shooting magically happens to get the drums beating.
Excuse me for being blatantly cynical and suspicious about this.
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Same song and dance, different day ...
Gun Control Groups Exploiting Tragedies
Just as the tactics of anti-gun groups don’t change, neither do the facts. The anti-Second Amendment agenda being pushed by
Bloomberg will not prevent these tragedies from occurring. It's clear that their agenda is not to make children safer or prevent
tragedies, but to enact an extreme anti-gun agenda. If they were truly concerned with saving lives, they would work to address
our broken mental health system and ensure that violent criminals are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140618/gun-control-groups-exploiting-tragedies (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140618/gun-control-groups-exploiting-tragedies)
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6 killed, 24 wounded over weekend – 06/01/15
12 killed, 44 wounded over Memorial day weekend – 05/24/15
And not a peep from the administration. Why? Because it was in Chicago where they have the strictest gun control
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6 killed, 24 wounded over weekend – 06/01/15
12 killed, 44 wounded over Memorial day weekend – 05/24/15
And not a peep from the administration. Why? Because it was in Chicago where they have the strictest gun control
Excellent point!
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Charleston shooter Dylann Storm Roof was reportedly taking a drug that has been linked with sudden outbursts of violence,
fitting the pattern of innumerable other mass shooters who were on or had recently come off pharmaceutical drugs linked to
aggression.
According to a CBS News report, earlier this year when cops searched Roof after he was acting suspiciously inside a Bath
and Body Works store, they found “orange strips” that Roof told officers was suboxone, a narcotic that is used to treat opiate
addiction.
Suboxone is a habit-forming drug that has been connected with sudden outbursts of aggression.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-carolina-shooting-suspect-idd-as-dylann-storm-roof-21/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-carolina-shooting-suspect-idd-as-dylann-storm-roof-21/)
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-carolina-shooting-suspect-idd-as-dylann-storm-roof-21/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-carolina-shooting-suspect-idd-as-dylann-storm-roof-21/)
i place the blame on the parents for naming him "dylann storm roof"
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Also could be this kid is someone who hates Christians, but I guess the media would bury that story deep if it had merit.
Noticed his haircut similar to the Lanza kid.
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From GOA:
Did You See How the President Used the SC Shootings to Lie About Your Gun Rights?
http://www.gunowners.org/news06182015b.htm (http://www.gunowners.org/news06182015b.htm)
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Some more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7245pFS93U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7245pFS93U)
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Obama in action:
- During the Benghazi attacks which killed an Ambassador and 3 other Americans, Obama slept. The next morning, he gave a short speech, then jetted off to Vegas and Chicago for campaign fundraisers.
- As the Presidential race was coming to an end, and the polls showed his numbers sliding, he managed to find time to visit the hard hit areas after Hurricane Sandy.
- Immediately after giving a brief statement regarding the beheading of an American by ISIS, he rushed to the golf course to distract himself from his grief.
- This week, Obama gave yet another statement identifying guns and racism as the causes for the Charleston shooting (amazes me how he knows these things before the investigation has even begun!). He then boarded Air Force One, not to travel to SC to provide comfort and support to the families of the victims and their congregation, but to fly to LA for 2 days of fundraisers.
Like they always say, when the going gets tough, the tough gets going -- to campaign fundraisers and golf outings , after his beauty sleep, of course!
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CHURCH SHOOTER FITS INFAMOUS KILLERS' PROFILES
http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/big-list-of-drug-induced-killers/ (http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/big-list-of-drug-induced-killers/)
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“He used drugs heavily a lot,” Mullins said. “It was obviously harder than marijuana. He was like a pill popper, from what I understood. Like Xanax and stuff like that.”
almost every whacko in the last decade has been on anti depression ssri's
we need pharmaceutical control before gun control.
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“He used drugs heavily a lot,” Mullins said. “It was obviously harder than marijuana. He was like a pill popper, from what I understood. Like Xanax and stuff like that.”
almost every whacko in the last decade has been on anti depression ssri's
we need pharmaceutical control before gun control.
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Great observation. :thumbsup:
Drug companies are really out of control.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html)
"By telling authorities his aim, Roof admitted he attacked unarmed civilians for political purposes in an act of terror."
So the answer to this, by Obama, is to disarm all civilians?! :crazy: :grrr: >:(
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html)
"By telling authorities his aim, Roof admitted he attacked unarmed civilians for political purposes in an act of terror."
So the answer to this, by Obama, is to disarm all civilians?! :crazy: :grrr: >:(
You can't make bad people harmless by making good people helpless.
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Feds looking at this crime as a potential act of domestic terrorism which is an obvious attempt to further politicize this tragedy so they can target more Americans instead of the thousands of illegals coming in and Muslims.
Did the DOJ ever classify the FT. Hood massacre or the 2014 OKC beheading as domestic terrorism? NO, which is why their motives are not believed by a majority of Americans.
Along with their bought and paid for media, they want to promote a new bogeyman for the public instead of focusing on the real threats.
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No guns for negroes
https://thepatriotperspective.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/race-and-the-gun-debate-no-guns-for-negroes/
wait till you watch it.
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No guns for negroes
https://thepatriotperspective.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/race-and-the-gun-debate-no-guns-for-negroes/
wait till you watch it.
People forget that gun control came about due to southern democrats and their fears of reprisals from a newly freed black population after the Civil War.
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to be fair, this wasnt about mental illness. this was about unchecked racism.
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to be fair, this wasnt about mental illness. this was about unchecked racism.
No way to conclusively make that call until he's examined. I can think of at least 4 other possibilities besides pure racism:
(1) he was simply impaired at the time,
(2) he was suffering from the effects of his long term addiction and side effects of suboxone,
(3) he actually has a mental illness for which he was self-medicating to relieve the symptoms, or
(4) a combination of these.
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Here is an excellent example of the Liberal mindset when it comes to their fear, misunderstanding, and total ignorance of firearms ...
Dem Strategist: ‘I Cannot Imagine the Horror That Could’ve Occurred’ if Churchgoers Were Armed During Charleston Massacre
“I cannot imagine the horror that could’ve occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons,
this thing started and you had a full-scale gunfight,” Shrum said Friday. “You might not even have three survivors.”
He went on to say that “this is going to be a big issue” in the 2016 Democratic primaries.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/19/dem-strategist-i-cannot-imagine-the-horror-that-couldve-occurred-if-churchgoers-were-armed-during-charleston-massacre/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/19/dem-strategist-i-cannot-imagine-the-horror-that-couldve-occurred-if-churchgoers-were-armed-during-charleston-massacre/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons)
https://youtu.be/Rv5d2WyhIqk (https://youtu.be/Rv5d2WyhIqk)
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to be fair, this wasn't about mental illness. this was about unchecked racism.
Maybe, but I remain convinced most of these "incidents" are carefully crafted by the leftists. They find likely stooges and prep them, turning them loose when the time seems most opportune.
No coincidence support for gun control had drifted to a new low, so low that news outlets were noting it?
SOMETHING had to be done to get the gun control bandwagon going again, and lo and behold, another psychotropic drug user comes out of the woodwork in the nick of time.
This same scenario has happened a few too many times to be just coincidence. There is huge Soros and other money behind this, of that I am convinced. Heck, if the CIA can do it, why not the global leftist cabal of Soros, et al? They are just as well funded.
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Here is an excellent example of the Liberal mindset when it comes to their fear, misunderstanding, and total ignorance of firearms ...
Dem Strategist: ‘I Cannot Imagine the Horror That Could’ve Occurred’ if Churchgoers Were Armed During Charleston Massacre
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/19/dem-strategist-i-cannot-imagine-the-horror-that-couldve-occurred-if-churchgoers-were-armed-during-charleston-massacre/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/19/dem-strategist-i-cannot-imagine-the-horror-that-couldve-occurred-if-churchgoers-were-armed-during-charleston-massacre/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons)
https://youtu.be/Rv5d2WyhIqk (https://youtu.be/Rv5d2WyhIqk)
because there are no good guys with guns in a libz mindset
there are transgendered, transracial, and other peeps...
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because there are no good guys with guns in a libz mindset
there are transgendered, transracial, and other peeps...
If we're going to discuss the mentally ill, then trans-racial and transgender have to be in the mix! :wacko: :crazy:
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Murder of 121 Americans laid at Obama's feet
http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/obama-nailed-for-illegals-murdering-americans/ (http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/obama-nailed-for-illegals-murdering-americans/)
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Obama, Clinton Push Gun Control Within Hours After Charleston Shooting - Dana Loesch
https://youtu.be/vnSNnWoV8Tk
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In 2012, a gun toting madman stormed a South Carolina church, but was stopped by an armed church member
before anyone was harmed.
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120325/ARTICLES/120329781/1112?tc=ar (http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120325/ARTICLES/120329781/1112?tc=ar)
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Here is an excellent example of the Liberal mindset when it comes to their fear, misunderstanding, and total ignorance of firearms ...
Dem Strategist: ‘I Cannot Imagine the Horror That Could’ve Occurred’ if Churchgoers Were Armed During Charleston Massacre
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/19/dem-strategist-i-cannot-imagine-the-horror-that-couldve-occurred-if-churchgoers-were-armed-during-charleston-massacre/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/19/dem-strategist-i-cannot-imagine-the-horror-that-couldve-occurred-if-churchgoers-were-armed-during-charleston-massacre/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons)
https://youtu.be/Rv5d2WyhIqk (https://youtu.be/Rv5d2WyhIqk)
I am trying so hard to understand his statement. ??? Is he saying that after the good guy(s) with a concealed weapon dispatches the bad guy...that ...(head scratching) they will continue to shoot the other church members? WTF? Where is he even coming up with that chain of events? He does understand that the good guys with guns will be aiming for the bad guy with a gun and only the bad guy. Or, in his mind, when a good guy draws a gun, he/she instantaneously becomes a bad guy psycho killer? I am confused and brain hurt by this logic but at the same time it makes sense why this guy is afraid of people with firearms. They problem is that he has no idea that his brain has 0% capacity for logic and that is a shame.
Reminds me of an old proverb:
He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool...shun him.
He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is willing...teach him.
He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep...awaken him.
He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise...follow him.
Yeah, this guy falls into the first category.
He makes me ashamed to belong to the same species.
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because there are no good guys with guns in a libz mindset
there are transgendered, transracial, and other peeps...
What needs to happen is for Caitlyn Jenner to stop a crime with a firearm. Will shim be heralded as a hero? :popcorn:
That one will have the lefties brains short circuiting.
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Colorado Springs vs. Charleston: The Potential Massacre That Ended Differently
http://americanactionnews.com/articles/colorado-springs-vs-charleston-the-potential-massacre-that-ended-differently (http://americanactionnews.com/articles/colorado-springs-vs-charleston-the-potential-massacre-that-ended-differently)
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Yet the kid fits the profile of every mass shooter in the past 20 years: loner, limited social skills, on psychiatric meds.
good thing no one on our board fits that profile
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Are you implying something?
nope
:shaka:
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Good.
It was a play on my "no one on this forum dies anything illegal"
Not a shit at anyone in particular
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It was a play on my "no one on this forum dies anything illegal"
Not a shit at anyone in particular
Shot
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No way to conclusively make that call until he's examined. I can think of at least 4 other possibilities besides pure racism:
(1) he was simply impaired at the time,
(2) he was suffering from the effects of his long term addiction and side effects of suboxone,
(3) he actually has a mental illness for which he was self-medicating to relieve the symptoms, or
(4) a combination of these.
he also had a website with a racist manifensto, wore apartheid flags on his jacket, burned the American flag, and told people he was planning on shooting up a black college a week ago...maybe he was mentally ill, but he shot up a black church, planned out the shooting, and was clearly a huge racist so....i still think the hate crime angle is more relevant.
i dont see a problem with that anyways. its not like that really hurts gun owner's cases. in fact, if he ISNT mentally ill, given the media's usual reaction to mentall illness, i think it might be better, because then we wont have to hear another "well, how did a mentally ill person get a gun? we need registration" line or whatever. i think the hate crime angle really makes it less likely to hit home for the average voter, because everyone knows someone on anti depressants, but no one "knows" any racists (that is, they wont acknowledge it if they do, because they only know pure, good people, right?). and the further it seems from everyday reality, the better. that's why there wasnt as huge a gun control pushback after the various muslim terrorist attacks here (fort hood and such), because it doesnt hit close to home. but adam lanza and Holmes...well, the crazy depressed person is more real, in way.
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Maybe, but I remain convinced most of these "incidents" are carefully crafted by the leftists. They find likely stooges and prep them, turning them loose when the time seems most opportune.
and the illuminati is hiding Michael Jackson and Tupac on an island in the Bermuda triangle.
if these are "carefully crafted incidents", they're really crappy at it, because it aint moving the needle other than temporary spikes in interest.
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and the illuminati is hiding Michael Jackson and Tupac on an island in the Bermuda triangle.
if these are "carefully crafted incidents", they're really crappy at it, because it aint moving the needle other than temporary spikes in interest.
michael jackson and tupac live in cave with elvis, janis joplin, hendrix and marley
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michael jackson and tupac live in cave with elvis, janis joplin, hendrix and marley
They had Amy Winehouse killed though for real though. Janis thought she was going to drink her whiskey stash.
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CHURCH WASN’T FIRST TARGET? Friend Says Roof Settled for Church Because it was a Gun Free Zone
http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/church-wasnt-first-target-friend-says-roof-settled-for-church-because-it-was-a-gun-free-zone/ (http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/church-wasnt-first-target-friend-says-roof-settled-for-church-because-it-was-a-gun-free-zone/)
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Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons
Read more: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/#ixzz3doSRwlDt (http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/#ixzz3doSRwlDt)
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http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=274197be4c-Monday_Morning_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-274197be4c-20663429#axzz3doQCI6os (http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=274197be4c-Monday_Morning_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-274197be4c-20663429#axzz3doQCI6os)
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Not getting the traction they want has not stopped the liberals hysteria and screeching for the government to do something.
Obunga himself keeps harping on it and uses these shooting in the same manner.
(http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2014/03/eeb19882340005656f130db83d66f94da2f9c970.jpg)
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html)
"By telling authorities his aim, Roof admitted he attacked unarmed civilians for political purposes in an act of terror."
So the answer to this, by Obama, is to disarm all civilians?! :crazy: :grrr: >:(
Not all civilians, just those not in law enforcement....
And, as is so typical of the MSM, they fail to mention that he also considered carrying out his rampage at a school, but apparently reconsidered when he realized the school had armed guards.
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"In addition, these incidents have almost tripled under his Presidency (2009-2103) when compared to years prior. "
http://cuttingthroughthefog.blogspot.com/2015/06/obamas-record-on-mass-shootings.html (http://cuttingthroughthefog.blogspot.com/2015/06/obamas-record-on-mass-shootings.html)
Curiouser and curiouser, the murder rate is dropping, but politically useful mass shootings have somehow tripled under a pResident dedicated to gun control.
And someone wants to scoff that these clowns might be up to something? Perhaps you forget Obunga's clear statement:
"I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
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"In addition, these incidents have almost tripled under his Presidency (2009-2103) when compared to years prior. "
http://cuttingthroughthefog.blogspot.com/2015/06/obamas-record-on-mass-shootings.html (http://cuttingthroughthefog.blogspot.com/2015/06/obamas-record-on-mass-shootings.html)
Curiouser and curiouser, the murder rate is dropping, but politically useful mass shootings have somehow tripled under a pResident dedicated to gun control.
And someone wants to scoff that these clowns might be up to something? Perhaps you forget Obunga's clear statement:
"I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
Neither mass shootings or active shooter incidents have seen any statistically relevant increase over the last 30 plus years. The most recent FBI report, based on a study by two criminologists appear to have had the data manipulated for political purposes. The authors of the study blamed the media for getting it wrong (primarily misrepresenting all active shooter situations with "mass killings.") but then go on to defend their choice of time period for the study because 1999 was when police changed their response tactics from establishing a perimeter and awaiting specialized services to small immediate entry teams. But that, IMHO, is bogus. They choose the time period because they knew that data extrapolated over the longer time frame would have averaged out the numbers and that in 2012 there was an unusually high number of events.
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/10/the-incredibly-flawed-fbi-study-on-active-shooters/ (http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/10/the-incredibly-flawed-fbi-study-on-active-shooters/)
http://www.acjs.org/uploads/file/ACJS_Today_May_2015.pdf (http://www.acjs.org/uploads/file/ACJS_Today_May_2015.pdf)
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Strange whichever way you take it, since the FBI, like all the alphabet agencies, has been heavily politicized by Fearful leader.
So which is it, lots more mass shootings, or bogus data to make it look like it for political leverage? He admitted he was sneaking around to the Brady people.
Does not matter, six of one, etc. The bastard is dirty and treacherous. I put nothing past him in his efforts to destroy this country and his political opponents.
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What bothers me is, they say more guns equal more homicides.
Why doesn't the logical conclusion that more homicides equals more guns get discussed? If I live in a relatively safe neighborhood, I might opt to not own a gun. When the gangs move in, the druggies start hanging at the local 7-11, and burglaries are on the rise, I might decide it's time to get a gun.
The biggest problem with ALL these gun stats is they paint a picture of numbers, then leave it up to the reader to draw their own conclusions. There have been no scientific studies to prove a causal effect between increased gun ownership and increased violence. All they can show is a CORRELATION between the numbers.
Until we look at the root causes, all these stats are just so much debate material which is designed to do one thing: to either support or fight a total ban on guns. A ban is the only logical solution if you truly believe an increase in gun violence numbers shows a causal relationship.
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Charleston church gunman wanted AR reads the headline.
Really !
They found a way to drag ARs into this ?
http://news.yahoo.com/charleston-church-gunman-wanted-ar-15-firearm-police-171627237.html
This is getting ridiculous. He could have bought an AR for the price of his Glock 45
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Charleston church gunman wanted AR reads the headline.
Really !
They found a way to drag ARs into this ?
http://news.yahoo.com/charleston-church-gunman-wanted-ar-15-firearm-police-171627237.html
This is getting ridiculous. He could have bought an AR for the price of his Glock 45
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html)
It's a coordinated effort by the news to prop up calls for Obama's planned resurrection of the assault weapons ban
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It's a coordinated effort by the news to prop up calls for Obama's planned resurrection of the assault weapons ban
Surprise, surprise!
But some here will bleat that these convenient shootings that keep coming along just in time to resurrect drooping gun control efforts are coincidence.
Never let a crisis go to waste...corollary? Create one if you have to?
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I find this interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viIElWJ3-BQ
and the guy is a black guy too!
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^^^so fake.
the government could never pull off something like this and then somehow manage to get only a handful of conspiracy nuts to figure it out.