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General Topics => Preparedness and Survival => Topic started by: bass monkey on September 17, 2011, 03:20:55 PM
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I been recently looking into storing food, dried fish, meat, etc but one problem im coming across is the food molding in ziplock bags. I like my meat a little soft on the inside, so i wrap it in newspaper or paper towel and store it in the ziplock bag. After a few days it starts to mold. I think with a vaccum sealer it would eleminate this problem cause all the air is out. You guys recommend any good brands, pointers, things to look out for when buying one? Any help is appreciated.
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I haven't bought one yet. I'm looking at the tilia foodsaver since the local Wal-Mart carries the bags. That's probably something that irritates me is if I can't get the refills locally.
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Good point, finding bags is good. Might go try check out walmart today and see what kind of selection they have. Anyone else
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The bags for consumer grade sealers leak over time and you end up with the same mold.
If this is for long term storage (18mos or more), you should use mylar bags and oxygen absorbers. If done properly, you should be able to keep it packed away for 10+ years. :thumbsup:
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I want to "long term store" some of my guns in vacuum bags.
The ones I don't shoot much.
I need long rolls of vacuum bags.
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I want to "long term store" some of my guns in vacuum bags.
The ones I don't shoot much.
I need long rolls of vacuum bags.
Don't forget silica gel.
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One thing about long term storaging of guns that I see floating around is using the pvc pipe. Throw your rifle in there, throw some dessicants or flood it with nitrogen if you have the resources, and then cap it with an airtight seal.
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Hey, don't forget Cosmoline! A time-proven gun preservative.
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I was thinking the same thing.
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One thing about long term storaging of guns that I see floating around is using the pvc pipe. Throw your rifle in there, throw some dessicants or flood it with nitrogen if you have the resources, and then cap it with an airtight seal.
PVC works great. Light oil, oxygen absorbers, dessicant, and some HD polystyrene is all I use. With this set up, I know I can just smash off the cap, throw in a mag and be ready to go.
Hey, don't forget Cosmoline! A time-proven gun preservative.
It's a nightmare to take off. Sure it's proven preservative, good for storing weapons crates in some bunker. But only IF you've got a team of guys to clean the goop off. Not so good if one wants something "out of the box" ready. I used to apply cosmoline to rifles for long term storing, but realized if something really bad happened, I might not have the supplies/solvents or time required to get operational...something to consider.
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Thanks for the tip colt. You got any links or do i just google mayler bags?
Some family had a sealer laying around so im going to try it out. Hopefully the bags wont leak though.
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Thanks for the tip colt. You got any links or do i just google mayler bags?
Some family had a sealer laying around so im going to try it out. Hopefully the bags wont leak though.
Ok since I opened my mouth, I'll share this with everyone with enough sense to take a interest in survival...
***Disclaimer: Let's not all go running out and doing this (reason at bottom). PLEASE!***
Go to the provident living center aka LDS (Mormon) cannery at the Temple/Church on Kalihi Street. You can order the bags and absorbers for less than anywhere I've ever found. Price list (http://providentliving.org/pfw/multimedia/files/pfw/pdf/123115_HSC_OrderForm_US_ENG_28_APR_2011_pdf.pdf)
If you go, be cool. Take a class. Order some beans, rice, or whatever else you might find useful while you're at it.
The reason I don't want everyone flooding into the place is simple. Not all LDS canneries are open to the public and I'd hate to see this place close it's doors to outsiders.
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Thanks for the tip Colt. I didn't even know they had a cannery.
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I was doing some research on the porcelain throne and just so happen to find this: www.zcorrproducts.com (http://www.zcorrproducts.com)
(http://www.zcorrproducts.com/images/fail-safe-corrosion-protection.png)
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If Jaydawg's TV dinner-gun is smothered in Cosmoline inside that bag just for good measure, I'd say that thing could safely be tossed over the side of a boat at a set latitude and longitude, and retrieved a few decades later, looking good as new!
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I had run across Zcorr's regular plastic bags before but had never seen those vacuum bags. It looks silly but maybe it would work.
For anyone interested in another source of mylar bags and oxygen absorbers, I had picked some up from OakTea International on Amazon. They have different size bags with oxygen absorbers to match the size of the bag. They are pretty expensive though.
1Gallon Bags (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002E4TT98/?tag=2ahawaii-20)
5 Gallon Bags (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001Y0Y8C6/?tag=2ahawaii-20)
I wonder where the LDS get their supplies from. I mean, if they are selling them so cheap.
ETA: Wow, after a quick googling, it looks like I can find a lot more suppliers now like http://www.vackpak.com/MylarOxy.html (http://www.vackpak.com/MylarOxy.html)
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Wow thanks for all the useful links guys. This is a huge subject i should look farther into. So mayler bags are the way to go, got it. Ok whats the difference between mayler bags and other types of bags like nylon/poly. Do the mayler just last forever?
Also sorry for being clueless, but what is a absorber, is that how its sealed? Sorry for the newb questions.
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I'm not sure what the difference between mylar and nylon or poly bags are but I'd guess the material is stronger and less prone to leaking. It also blocks out light.
Oxygen absorbers do exactly as the name suggests. They take the oxygen out of anything around it. They look almost the same as the dessicant packets in your furikake and come sealed in a vacuum sealed bag. Once they are exposed to oxygen (containing package opened), they start absorbing.
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Or just buy an AK and a Glock and bury them in dirt. No need for sealants, bags, whatever. just dig them up, wash them off, and blast away. :geekdanc:
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I wonder where the LDS get their supplies from. I mean, if they are selling them so cheap.
I was told by one of the young elders that it comes from a church run distribution center in the mainland...shipping is free. ;D
Or just buy an AK and a Glock and bury them in dirt. No need for sealants, bags, whatever. just dig them up, wash them off, and blast away. :geekdanc:
Funny. Sure AK's & Glocks are tough, but with ground termites eating any wood furniture and acidic dirt pitting the metal parts? You'd be lucky to dig up and salvage it for spare parts.
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I wonder where the LDS get their supplies from. I mean, if they are selling them so cheap.
I was told by one of the young elders that it comes from a church run distribution center in the mainland...shipping is free. ;D
Or just buy an AK and a Glock and bury them in dirt. No need for sealants, bags, whatever. just dig them up, wash them off, and blast away. :geekdanc:
Funny. Sure AK's & Glocks are tough, but with ground termites eating any wood furniture and acidic dirt pitting the metal parts? You'd be lucky to dig up and salvage it for spare parts.
Not understanding why anyone would want to bury a weapon for a later grab? If you are run out of there and expect to come back and get it later, what makes you think you will be able to? Are you expecting to stash these weapon somewhere where they will not be found? Good luck.
I could see this on the mainland, where you can actually own property that nobody will EVER go on. Here? Nope.
Keep you weapons and friends close, and your enemies closer....
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You bury your guns, I'll keep mine on my hip. :thumbsup:
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You bury your guns, I'll keep mine on my hip. :thumbsup:
This.
Burying guns....wtf?
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I also got the OakTea amazon bags and was about to do the first batch today with Costco rice and beans but got called into work. Burying ammo along with some water filters and emergency food is ok, but guns are another thing. If SHTF doesn't happen right away and somebody commits a crime with your gun and they trace it back to you there will be a cell waiting for sure.
As far as places to bury there are some out of the way spots for sure, but considering how militarized this island is if you were ever to need that stuff it would be really difficult to get through all the checkpoints and watchful eyes. If it's near any critical infrastructure that would likely be guarded such as radio towers or water supplies then access could be impossible. Then again if it's a tsunami situation having some gear stashed in high places could really come in handy. Risky investment but it makes more sense than playing the stock market, trading currencies, or packing it away in a retirement plan.
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Of course I don't recommend you actually store your guns this way, but:
Glock 21 Buried 2 years then 500rd test fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5Kcs4dzro#)
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My uncle stored an old rifle in a 55 gallon barrel of oil for 20 years ( minus the stock)
It came out in perfect condition, just oily.
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A wise man once said, "If you think it's time to bury your guns, it's time to dig them up!"
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A wise man once said, "If you think it's time to bury your guns, it's time to dig them up!"
Ancient proverb says.
"When the $hit hits the fan, don't stand in front of the fan."
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I actually talked to this one guy about survivalism, and he kinda went off and told me about his group, how he has guns buried out in sea, 3-day BOBs, for each of his kids even, etc.
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I actually talked to this one guy about survivalism, and he kinda went off and told me about his group, how he has guns buried out in sea, 3-day BOBs, for each of his kids even, etc.
I have bug out bags for each of my family members, but guns buried out at sea? :wtf:
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Of course I don't recommend you actually store your guns this way, but:
I don't buy that you could bury a gun for 2 years with nothing in the mag well, then dig it up and have the mag well be empty. I suspect that this gun was buried substantially less than 2 years.
Now, that being said, it's still a pretty cool video!
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Of course I don't recommend you actually store your guns this way, but:
I don't buy that you could bury a gun for 2 years with nothing in the mag well, then dig it up and have the mag well be empty. I suspect that this gun was buried substantially less than 2 years.
Now, that being said, it's still a pretty cool video!
That Glock was buried pretty shallow. I wander what the average yearly precipitation out there in Militiaville is?
Those guys were all dressed up like they were about to attend a Tactical Mardi Gras.
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Of course I don't recommend you actually store your guns this way, but:
I don't buy that you could bury a gun for 2 years with nothing in the mag well, then dig it up and have the mag well be empty. I suspect that this gun was buried substantially less than 2 years.
Now, that being said, it's still a pretty cool video!
That Glock was buried pretty shallow. I wander what the average yearly precipitation out there in Militiaville is?
Those guys were all dressed up like they were about to attend a Tactical Mardi Gras.
I don't want anyone to flash me at *that* Mardi Gras. :shake: I'm burying all my beads in the ocean.
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Not understanding why anyone would want to bury a weapon for a later grab? If you are run out of there and expect to come back and get it later, what makes you think you will be able to? Are you expecting to stash these weapon somewhere where they will not be found? Good luck.
I could see this on the mainland, where you can actually own property that nobody will EVER go on. Here? Nope.
Keep you weapons and friends close, and your enemies closer....
The idea is to have an alternate location for weapons and ammo if you're cut off (or to hide it from the governement). So people who cache items underground at their location (in their yard) are doing it wrong. It's supposed to be a reasonable distance from where you're normally at.
You're right about it working mostly in the mainland...The island is too small and you just never know when someone will start building something. When they developed the Waikele/Waipio area I had to hustle to get my crap out. While they were breaking ground on the regional park, I was off in the tall weeds swinging a pick and shovel. Now I only bury my overflow ammo supply. I'm like a squirrel with his nuts in that way.
I don't buy that you could bury a gun for 2 years with nothing in the mag well, then dig it up and have the mag well be empty. I suspect that this gun was buried substantially less than 2 years.
Now, that being said, it's still a pretty cool video!
I was thinking the same. Since the area obviously snows and that Glock was buried well within the ground frost line, the condition doesn't match the claim of 2 years. I'm thinking they buried it 4-6 months at most.
Guess it really doesn't matter. All I'll say is those peope are "true believers". I doubt anyone here would do that and risk eating a broken slide.
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Another legitimate reason for burying your weapons on your own property you reside, especially in a no-carry state like us, is if you happen to come upon your home in mid-robbery, mid-rape of your wife and/or daughter(s), mid-sodomizing of your 8 year old son and unconscious baby-sitter, mid-vandalizing, mid-vegetarian potluck, etc.
Now, when it comes to caching for governmental gun grab? It's hard as hell on the island, for sure. But, like the guy I talked to did, I'd probably go throw em in the ocean!! We'd have to assume that there will be a lot of digs/metal detecting/satellite/GPR scans in popular places like St. Louis Heights park, Tantalus lookout, Pali Hwy lookouts, other parks, etc. We'd hear on the news about how they're finding all these "domestic terrorist weapon caches" all over the island.
Then on the other hand....we are surrounded by this massive ass ocean in which only a relative few ever visit the sea floor.
Anyone up for a recreational night dive? ;)
I would personally do it closer to shore where no equipment is required, but they'd be looking there too.
Almost forgot
/tinfoilhat
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Aren't there people that go diving with metal detectors? I thought I remember a story about someone finding quite a bit of stuff in the ocean using one.
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Another legitimate reason for burying your weapons on your own property you reside, especially in a no-carry state like us, is if you happen to come upon your home in mid-robbery, mid-rape of your wife and/or daughter(s), mid-sodomizing of your 8 year old son and unconscious baby-sitter, mid-vandalizing, mid-vegetarian potluck, etc.
Now, when it comes to caching for governmental gun grab? It's hard as hell on the island, for sure. But, like the guy I talked to did, I'd probably go throw em in the ocean!! We'd have to assume that there will be a lot of digs/metal detecting/satellite/GPR scans in popular places like St. Louis Heights park, Tantalus lookout, Pali Hwy lookouts, other parks, etc. We'd hear on the news about how they're finding all these "domestic terrorist weapon caches" all over the island.
Then on the other hand....we are surrounded by this massive ass ocean in which only a relative few ever visit the sea floor.
Anyone up for a recreational night dive? ;)
I would personally do it closer to shore where no equipment is required, but they'd be looking there too.
Almost forgot
/tinfoilhat
If under attack (as in your examples), I'd most likely swing a shovel as a weapon rather than try to use it and dig one up. A cache is meant as long term storage/hiding, not a place to keep things you want to keep handy. That'd be a stash, which is something stored/hidden but still accessible...like a pistol in a holster mounted under a drawer or behind a picture frame.
You're right though, everyone is a treasure hunter these days. Burying a cache was a hell of a lot easier back when there were miles of sugar cane/pineapple fields.
Aren't there people that go diving with metal detectors? I thought I remember a story about someone finding quite a bit of stuff in the ocean using one.
Yep, like those idiots who stumbled over 60 year old ordnance.
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If under attack (as in your examples), I'd most likely swing a shovel as a weapon rather than try to use it and dig one up. A cache is meant as long term storage/hiding, not a place to keep things you want to keep handy. That'd be a stash, which is something stored/hidden but still accessible...like a pistol in a holster mounted under a drawer or behind a picture frame.
I have to agree with Colt on this one. Cache vs Stash. It may be a bit of semantics but the logic is correct.
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That Glock was buried pretty shallow. I wander what the average yearly precipitation out there in Militiaville is?
Those guys were all dressed up like they were about to attend a Tactical Mardi Gras.
Not to re-open old wounds, but would you say they were....Fake Action Guys?
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