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General Topics => Preparedness and Survival => Topic started by: Q on July 16, 2015, 08:40:23 PM
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I'm driving up the road to diamond head lol.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY)
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Prepare acccordingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Lccf54JGE
shepard smith seemed shaken
was saying things wrong, forgetting things, practically shouting at some points
weird
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Don't seem like Hawaii would have a lot of warning time if a tsunami is generated.
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According to the Cascadia Region Earthquate Workgroup:
"It will take years to recover from a Cascadia subduction zone earthquake. The tsunami that follows may damage not just us, but Alaska, Hawaii, Japan, and other Pacific Rim economic powers. The resources of the US, Canada, Japan, and other nations will be used to rebuild damaged areas, affecting the world economy
Maybe the TPP isn't such a good idea after all?? :crazy:
http://www.crew.org/sites/default/files/CREWCascadiaFinal.pdf (http://www.crew.org/sites/default/files/CREWCascadiaFinal.pdf)
Goodn thing I just stocked up on ammo!
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If Noah was correct, I'd say the entire west coast and Hawaii deserves it... I know. Sad but true.
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If Noah was correct, I'd say the entire west coast and Hawaii deserves it... I know. Sad but true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcyv0QiZIUw
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I suggest people download the USGS map for their region of the island, and buy a hard copy if you can.
The map is simply too big to print out, and having a hard copy in your BOB JIC is worth more than gold in a natural disaster.
Here is the download:
http://magis.manoa.hawaii.edu/maps/digital/oahu.html (http://magis.manoa.hawaii.edu/maps/digital/oahu.html)
You know where a hard copy is available? Will try check UH bookstore, not too many bookstores left.
That map is good info.
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Order online from USGS.
Sometimes their system is down, so you have to order over the phone
Mahalo. Might call the local USGS office and see if available locally.
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(http://i.imgur.com/95PpFvz.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/95PpFvz.jpg)
So wrong! :'(
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So wrong! :'(
I'm wondering how many don't get it right away!
:shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:
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:rofl: so wrong :rofl:
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1700 japan tsunami was 15 feet high.
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bwaaahahahaha
So much for the 600 ft wave they were talking about.
Hopefully it's that small when it hits us; won't need to walk up very far on the mountain
Not so fast... Here is another tsunami source much closer to home...
http://www.livescience.com/25293-hawaii-giant-tsunami-landslides.html
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Either way they are both great reasons to keep a lightweight "uphill-runnable" bug out bag handy, as well as pass on investing in oceanfront property.
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Either way they are both great reasons to keep a lightweight "uphill-runnable" bug out bag handy, as well as pass on investing in oceanfront property.
I bought a house in Mililani. I have a feeling one day it WILL be ocean front property!! :thumbsup: :rofl:
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Either way they are both great reasons to keep a lightweight "uphill-runnable" bug out bag handy, as well as pass on investing in oceanfront property.
Yep. That's what I was thinking too.
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The problem with the land based tsunami scenarios is that they have taken place only 15 times in 4 million years; the last one being ~13,000 years ago.
The Cascadia fault line has been causing earthquakes and tsunamis at consistent 250-350 year time intervals, and has done so ~41 times over only 10,000 years.
Therefore, it is much more likely that we will have an event in the Cascadia fault line compared to other scenarios.
All these events are based on probability extrapolated from the archaelogical record. Probability isn't a clock and all these events are solely at the whim of the universe. The landslide event could happen tomorrow or never. Who could have predicted the 2004 tsunami that wiped out over 250,000 people? NO ONE. However, had the lame-ass governments of southeast asia spent money on a warning buoy system most of those lives would have been saved. I think we can talk about how to prepare for these events on this thread. Trying to talk about prediction is a discussion better left to Nostradumass.
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Actually, there was a lot that could have been done to predict the 2004 Tsunami, but countries in that region went against the advice of scientists to install devices that we have in the pacific, as they are not as developed as the countries surrounding the pacific, and wanted to use the funds for other things.
And the fact that Michio Kaku talks about it has my attention, as he is one of the few scientists I actually listen to on a consistent basis. The fact that he and many top scientists think this is something to worry about vs other issues makes me focus on it a bit more.
Oh, I see, now! The reason you think you can predict earthquakes with sheeps bladders is because your this Q...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBwoEXlTph0
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And who said I was predicting anything? The science and scientists predicted the time frame and what would happen, not me.
Don't get all butt hurt because I don't think your issue is more important than something top scientists have been focusing on for years. I don't see any scientists promoting preparation for a landslide tsunami in Hawaii on the level that they are with regards to the Cascadia fault earthquakes. In fact, I never even heard of the landslide scenario until you brought it up, and neither did any of the science teachers at Kamehameha.
They sure did know about the Cascadia Fault Line though ::)
Top Scientists... that sounds familiar...
https://youtu.be/yoy4_h7Pb3M
As for scientists warning about landslide induced tsunamis... here is a list of good references to begin with see below. There is a large amount of solid research (not from Fox news) on this subject since they have happened historically (yes, not in Hawaii).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Lituya_Bay_megatsunami
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=landslide+tsunami+references&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0CBwQgQMwAGoVChMIotaV36vqxgIV0TOICh3lzA6E
I didn't realize the science teachers at Kamehameha were expert seismologists... if they didn't cover tsunami's like this you may want to ask for your money back...
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Here is a good basic overview article about tsunami shelters for those interested in what Hawaii should do to prepare Urban Honolulu for such an event
http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/coming-soon-coast-near-you-vertical-tsunami-shelters
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"FICTION: “Mega Quakes” can really happen.
The magnitude of an earthquake is related to the area of the fault on which it occurs - the larger the fault area, the larger the earthquake. The San Andreas Fault is 800 miles long and only about 10-12 miles deep, so that earthquakes larger than magnitude 8.3 are extremely unlikely.
The largest earthquake ever recorded by seismic instruments anywhere on the earth was a magnitude 9.5 earthquake in Chile on May 22, 1960. That earthquake occurred on a fault that is almost 1,000 miles long and 150 miles wide, dipping into the earth at a shallow angle. The magnitude scale is open-ended, meaning that scientists have not put a limit on how large an earthquake could be, but there is a limit just from the size of the earth. A magnitude 12 earthquake would require a fault larger than the earth itself."
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/megaqk_facts_fantasy.php
Other interesting urban myths and facts and a movie:
http://www.usgs.gov/faq/categories/9830/3284
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/natural-disasters/question567.htm
http://www.newsweek.com/californias-catalina-island-will-sink-sea-could-cause-tsunami-la-324615
http://www.conservation.ca.gov/cgs/earthquakedoc/eq-movie_reviews/pages/nbc-10.aspx
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"FICTION: “Mega Quakes” can really happen.
The magnitude of an earthquake is related to the area of the fault on which it occurs - the larger the fault area, the larger the earthquake. The San Andreas Fault is 800 miles long and only about 10-12 miles deep, so that earthquakes larger than magnitude 8.3 are extremely unlikely.
The largest earthquake ever recorded by seismic instruments anywhere on the earth was a magnitude 9.5 earthquake in Chile on May 22, 1960. That earthquake occurred on a fault that is almost 1,000 miles long and 150 miles wide, dipping into the earth at a shallow angle. The magnitude scale is open-ended, meaning that scientists have not put a limit on how large an earthquake could be, but there is a limit just from the size of the earth. A magnitude 12 earthquake would require a fault larger than the earth itself."
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/megaqk_facts_fantasy.php
Other interesting urban myths and facts and a movie:
http://www.usgs.gov/faq/categories/9830/3284
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/natural-disasters/question567.htm
http://www.newsweek.com/californias-catalina-island-will-sink-sea-could-cause-tsunami-la-324615
http://www.conservation.ca.gov/cgs/earthquakedoc/eq-movie_reviews/pages/nbc-10.aspx
That's interesting. Thanks for the education! :shaka:
I especially loved the section: FICTION: We can predict earthquakes. :rofl:
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Even FOX News exaggerates their stories. :o :o :o
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Even FOX News exaggerates their stories. :o :o :o
I heard their next article is Mega-Shark Storms brewing!
https://youtu.be/fWY4-u9Ewdc
But back on point. Inspector, your reference on Earthquakes: Fact or Fiction also had a very good summary of things people can do to protect themselves from injury during an earthquake.
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Just for reference here's the Tsunami Evacuation Zone Information for City and County.
http://www.honolulu.gov/demevacuate/tsunamimaps.html
I loved the fine print on the Waikiki Map
"The evacuation zone is a guideline and should be considered the
minimum safe evacuation distance.
These maps do not consider the destructive effects of a locally
generated tsunami. If you feel shaking, move inland immediately,
well away from the evacuation zone."
I have no idea how they expect to evacuate 100,000 with 20-30 minutes window of a locally generated tsunami...
Here's the draft of the evac map for Extreme Tsunami Events...
http://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/dem/1_Waikiki_DRAFT.jpg
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HEY!!!
I swear, that looks like the same guy (he was younger back then) that is on those news bloopers, the one that say something about a "blowj*b" on live news. LOL
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A good reminder of what could happen, Japan 2011.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xKMFzKOIfQ
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A good reminder of what could happen, Japan 2011.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xKMFzKOIfQ
This is very humbling. It makes me very grateful we have been spared this so far and have time to prepare ourselves for the inevitable.
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That's nuts !
Makes you realize the power and how far inland it goes.
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Today USGS saying that a major EQ expected any day now from the Hayward fault. Not sure if it would generate a tsunami like the Cascadia fault. Now days try to fill gas tank when reach half full. Don't want to waste precious time scrambling to fill gas once the sirens go. Depending where you live, after a tsunami you might not be driving for weeks if the coastal roads are gone.
Also installed a free altimeter app on my phone till I get some topo maps.
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Tsunami Watch issued for State of Hawaii, effective at 1:08 pm HST.
HONOLULU DEM: HAWAII TSUNAMI WATCH; QUAKE OFF NORTHERN CHILE, 7.9 MAG. EST WAVE ARRIVAL IN HI 2:28AM 17SEP @MayorKirkHNL www.nixle.us/8RFYT
Now inactive
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http://local.nixle.com/honolulu-department-of-emergency-management/
Entered: 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
HAWAII TSUNAMI WATCH; QUAKE OFF NORTHERN CHILE, 8.3 MAG. EST WAVE ARRIVAL IN HI 3:06AM 17SEP @MayorKirkHNL
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Now inactive
click on the "update" link on that page-
now upgraded to 8.3 magnitude
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click on the "update" link on that page-
now upgraded to 8.3 magnitude
ah, thank you!
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There have been a series of quakes after that one too. You can subscribe to the USGS site and get email alerts when they happen. I just saw another 6 point something and had gotten a few alerts already since that 8.3 one.
All in Chile.
Quite possible there may be another huge one in the coming hours.
(I just got another one as I was typing this!)
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Entered: 18 minutes ago
TSUNAMI ADVISORY #OAHU. STAY OUT OF THE OCEAN & AWAY FR IMMEDIATE SHORELINES 3:00-7:00 A.M. THURS @MayorKirkHNL
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Thanks for the reminder. Hope it's not needed either.
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Hahahaha... deja vu, again, brother K3014!
Hopefully not needed, but reposting link to revised tsunami evacuation maps.
http://www.honolulu.gov/cms-dem-menu/site-dem-sitearticles/20717-etez-maps-final.html
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No need to worry for us O'ahu folks:
We been lucky so far dodging the bullet. With buku people on a 604 sq. mile island, a major disaster will show how fragile stability is, even in the Aloha State.
I remember a tsunami scare in the mid 80's which resulted in carmaggedon since everyone was told to go home almost at the same time. With this in mind, to get to higher ground IMHO everyone should have alternate means of transportation instead of jumping in the car. Most practical means would be bicycles.
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Was that when gridlock turned roads out of Waikiki into parking lots?
Also, another option would be to go vertical, if feasible of course.
Don't know about Waikiki, but I was headed west on H-1 taking home a co-worker that lived in Honokai Hale.
I'm sure modern tsunami technology is superior to the 80's so hopefully that won't be that bad again. I can imagine if they let all the hotel workers out at the same time, Kalakaua would be a parking lot.
Yes vertical is another means but many of us don't have that option. If you have a family one of those adult trikes with the big rear basket for extra supplies would be good, although they're slow moving and don't take sharp turns well.