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General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: oldfart on July 31, 2015, 06:59:45 AM
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Man shoots drone hovering around his yard.
yay or nay?
http://www.cnet.com/news/man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-over-house/
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Merideth says he stood his ground: "I had my 40mm Glock on me and they started toward me and I told them, 'If you cross my sidewalk, there's gonna be another shooting.'" :worship: :wtf: :shake:
It's not a drone!
But mine can do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvVu3qfADgw
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Merideth says he stood his ground: "I had my 40mm Glock on me and they started toward me and I told them, 'If you cross my sidewalk, there's gonna be another shooting.'" :worship: :wtf: :shake:
It's not a drone!
But mine can do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvVu3qfADgw
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I want a 40mm glock.
From the standpoint as a Dad with a daughter, I am inclined to side with the shooter.
People (and animals too) are notoriously protective of their children. I think we all know and understand that concept.
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Shoulda used a pellet gun.
Shotgun blast onto the air in a residential area is pretty extreme.
My daughter outside, I would've definitely pot spotted at it with my pellet gun.
It's kinda cool he actually dropped it though.
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Would a pellet gun drop a drone, though? And if so, would the laws in his area be any more lenient on him if he had used a pellet gun? He'd still be shooting into the air.
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Man shoots drone hovering around his yard.
yay or nay?
http://www.cnet.com/news/man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-over-house/
That clay pigeon cost more than $5!
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Would a pellet gun drop a drone, though? And if so, would the laws in his area be any more lenient on him if he had used a pellet gun? He'd still be shooting into the air.
yes. depends on where you shoot it. Take out a motor on a quad = yes. If its a hex or greater than a shot to the flight controller. Another way is to target its control link. DJI uses WiFi and Bluetooth in some modes to control the quad which is weak.
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Would a pellet gun drop a drone, though? And if so, would the laws in his area be any more lenient on him if he had used a pellet gun? He'd still be shooting into the air.
I don't know but my pellet gun is way quieter than my 12 ga.
22 pellet. Might or might not drop it but pot shots would be fun.
Still irresponsible but way less than a shotgun. Like shooting at squirrels or birds in a tree.
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yes. depends on where you shoot it. Take out a motor on a quad = yes. If its a hex or greater than a shot to the flight controller. Another way is to target its control link. DJI uses WiFi and Bluetooth in some modes to control the quad which is weak.
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Here's a question.
I see the 400 ft altitude limit rule.
Is there a MINIMUM altitude rule?
What's to stop a perv from flying just above the house and grabbing some internet voyeur video?
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An emp gun would be good. No projectiles and no laws broken.
Drop it and sell the parts on ebay... well, the non-fried parts that is.
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Here's a question.
I see the 400 ft altitude limit rule.
Is there a MINIMUM altitude rule?
What's to stop a perv from flying just above the house and grabbing some internet voyeur video?
FAA established the 400 foot ceiling, there's no minimum altitude.
I think privacy and/or property ownership laws cover 500 feet above your property.
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A Larue PredatOBR would work! Tried and true!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47p77zmVf50
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FAA established the 400 foot ceiling, there's no minimum altitude.
I think privacy and/or property ownership laws cover 500 feet above your property.
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The article said the drone was at 200 ft.
So that would mean it was trespassing?
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The article said the drone was at 200 ft.
So that would mean it was trespassing?
Depends. Air rights are probably different from place to place.
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The article said the drone was at 200 ft.
So that would mean it was trespassing?
In the US we own the air space up to 500 feet above the land we own. If the guy was renting from the owner of the land then he may not have the right to shoot at the drone because he is not the land owner. If he is the owner of the property then he would have the right to shoot at it up to 500 feet. After that the FAA controls the airspace above 500 feet. I think a pellet gun would have been appropriate for this purpose.
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So if you can't fly above 400 or below 500 then that means you have almost nowhere to go except public parks.
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So if you can't fly above 400 or below 500 then that means you have almost nowhere to go except public parks.
Well the elevation can be dependent on location as well. Certain areas such as near airports you aren't going to even be anywhere near that 400ft.
In any case it's one of those areas where the tech is so new that a lot of these rules & regs still need to be worked out.
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Where did the article say the drone was at 200 ft? That is fairly high up.
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Where did the article say the drone was at 200 ft? That is fairly high up.
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I think it was mentioned by someone close to the story in the comments section.
I don't consider 200 feet that far up. It's 70 yards. Much less than a football field.
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People are debating the drone height and stuff now in the comments. Article has been updated several times as well.
Wow some of the comments are pretty heated, feels like not everyone speaking is a neutral party. I can't tell who's right or wrong but just from the style of the arguing, I feel like the people who side with the shooter are more reasoned and impartial. The drone supporters are claiming the drone was not over the guy's property at the time it was shot. But by their own admission, it WAS clearly over his property prior to being shot, and (according to them) left his property line a measly one or two seconds before actually getting shot. Who the bleep cares about that? If the drone was really 200+ feet in the air at the time (according to them) someone on the ground looking up with his eyes cannot be expected to know if the drone is one or two inches on his side of the fence or theirs, at the exact time he presses the trigger.
What matters is that the drone was over the guy's property for some time, and the guy shot it down while it was roughly still there. I hope a judge sees it my way if this thing ever goes to court.
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I want a 40mm glock.
You ain't gonna like the kick or ammo cost.
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I have no problem shooting one down in my yard. I have one of those small cheap drones. I fly it around my house. I have not flown it over the neighbors yard intentionally. I once lost sight of it because of the sun in my eyes, it then flew over one neighbor's yard and crashed in the next yard. Now if someone shot it because it was over his yard, then whatever that's on me.
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Man shoots drone hovering around his yard.
yay or nay?
If my wife is out in her bikini and I spot a drone close in, I know damn well what is going on. My Disco .22 will take that sucker down fast.
As Clint Eastwood said "I can put a round though a flea's ass at 200 meters".
Well, maybe 30-50 with me and the Disco, but that is about where I would expect some perv to be hovering his drone spying on hot chicks sunbathing. Not worried about noise with the LDC on it, and by law if the pellet does not leave your property, you are good to go.
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Battelle DroneDefender, drone countermeasures
http://youtu.be/zX4XXLb_Vuw
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Battelle DroneDefender, drone countermeasures
http://youtu.be/zX4XXLb_Vuw
Interesting technology. I wonder if it would work against a drone that was not going off of guidance from a control but on some internally programed flight path?
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I was walking my doggy at the park and I met a gent with a pretty nice dji drone similar to the unit in the video above.
He fired it up and flew it around. It was a clear blue sky day.
After it got about a 150 yards away, I could no longer see or hear it.
I lost track of it until it came back and was hovering directly over me.
My point is that you would need a couple of people vigilantly scanning the surrounding airspace in order to detect and defend against a hostile drone.
Those things are pretty hard to see or hear until it's too late.
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I was walking my doggy at the park and I met a gent with a pretty nice dji drone similar to the unit in the video above.
He fired it up and flew it around. It was a clear blue sky day.
After it got about a 150 yards away, I could no longer see or hear it.
I lost track of it until it came back and was hovering directly over me.
My point is that you would need a couple of people vigilantly scanning the surrounding airspace in order to detect and defend against a hostile drone.
Those things are pretty hard to see or hear until it's too late.
My friend has one and I wondered the same thing after his got a couple hundred yards away. If it were not for the live camera feed I wouldn't have even known it was still airborne. He guided it by the camera feed along a road until he got to the end. Then he gave me the control and I flew it back. It was tough to keep it real steady and going exactly in a straight line along the road. I was having to correct the flight path constantly. A lot of that could have been the high winds we were having. It was fun and interesting and I see a need for it in my real estate business. Not sure I would buy one just for pleasure though.
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There are many open source applications with telemetry.
I'm currently on APM 2.6 with the capability to fly waypoints via tablet or PC. It grew out of Arduino and now APM has an Atmel 32 bit microcontroller.
While the quadcopter can fly autonomously I still have control with a traditional transmitter. It also has a follow me mode - cool if you are runnin & gunnin
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I was walking my doggy at the park and I met a gent with a pretty nice dji drone similar to the unit in the video above.
He fired it up and flew it around. It was a clear blue sky day.
After it got about a 150 yards away, I could no longer see or hear it.
I lost track of it until it came back and was hovering directly over me.
My point is that you would need a couple of people vigilantly scanning the surrounding airspace in order to detect and defend against a hostile drone.
Those things are pretty hard to see or hear until it's too late.
My coworker who also lives in Mililani has a DIJ. Was this at the Patsy Mink Central Oahu Regional Park?
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There are many open source applications with telemetry.
I'm currently on APM 2.6 with the capability to fly waypoints via tablet or PC. It grew out of Arduino and now APM has an Atmel 32 bit microcontroller.
While the quadcopter can fly autonomously I still have control with a traditional transmitter. It also has a follow me mode - cool if you are runnin & gunnin
Also, for a pre-programmed drone to work, you need GPS, else it won't be able to stay on course. According to the description, the countermeasure can use a GPS signal to override the drone, too.
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My coworker who also lives in Mililani has a DIJ. Was this at the Patsy Mink Central Oahu Regional Park?
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No. This was in Village Park, Waipahu. The guy lives a few blocks away from me.
An interesting side note. ..we chatted for a long time and discovered we also share a common interest in guns and self defense.
Apparently a member of his family had a traumatic experience with a rapist who was never caught.
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Looks like the original drone slayer had things go the right way for him:
http://www.wave3.com/story/30355558/drone-slayer-claims-victory-in-court (http://www.wave3.com/story/30355558/drone-slayer-claims-victory-in-court)
I doubt anyone in Hawaii would get away with the shooting in his back yard though.
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Battelle DroneDefender, drone countermeasures
http://youtu.be/zX4XXLb_Vuw
Ok, I call BS.
The device could totally interrupt GPS and ISM bands. That's only a felony under FCC regulations, but in terms of application, easy to do. But to assume that the drone will adopt the behavior "I'm lost, I had better land" is 100% specious. Additionally, the drone has no way to realize it has landed without GPS, so their footage of the drone powering down is fabrication.
Anything this device does could be done better with an unlicensed omni-directional transmitter. It would operate 100% of the time, have a 100% effectiveness rate of disrupting drone flights over your property, and a 100% rate of drawing high-value FCC fines on your head.
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Also, for a pre-programmed drone to work, you need GPS, else it won't be able to stay on course. According to the description, the countermeasure can use a GPS signal to override the drone, too.
Nope. If you checked out the APM project, several failsafes don't need GPS beacons to land. My failsafe is set to a min of 3 sats locked - and there is also optical sensors that can give a reference.
If you do manage to jam the GPS band, the telemetry link is still maintained as it is a different freq. I can fly it back home via manual control or it could just land itself - whereever it is.
http://copter.ardupilot.com/ (http://copter.ardupilot.com/)
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Nope. If you checked out the APM project, several failsafes don't need GPS beacons to land. My failsafe is set to a min of 3 sats locked - and there is also optical sensors that can give a reference.
If you do manage to jam the GPS band, the telemetry link is still maintained as it is a different freq. I can fly it back home via manual control or it could just land itself - whereever it is.
http://copter.ardupilot.com/ (http://copter.ardupilot.com/)
Not sure you're on the same "wave length." I was referring to autonomous mode. Program a flight path, and turn it loose without any further control contact.
You could try a "go straight 30 feet and turn right" program, but it won't help maintain correct altitude or correct for straying off course.
I know there are lots of landing features. Set a home coordinate and it'll return to that spot if lost control, If no home set, it'll hover over last contact location, etc.