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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: oldfart on August 05, 2015, 07:19:09 PM
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Gasp :( :o :grrr:
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Gasp :( :o :grrr:
These are assets purchased with tax payer funds, and now half a million dollars is being tossed in the furnace.
I'm so glad our Mayor and other government employees put public safety concerns over fiscal responsibility. Who knows how many people would die if these guns "wound up on the streets!"
Sometimes you have to wonder in any adults are running our state!
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What a waste of money. At the very least try and get some money back by selling these weapons.
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What a waste of money. At the very least try and get some money back by selling these weapons.
It will end up in criminals' hands...somehow...but that's what Keith Kaneshiro said awhile back on the PBS debate.
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Now I know what an alcoholic feels like
when his wife pours his last half gallon of whisky down the toilet!
:shake: :shake: :shake:
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i paid about $400 for a decent USED 5906 off gb.com, i wish they would sell them off, love those 59s, all steel, heavy
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These are assets purchased with tax payer funds, and now half a million dollars is being tossed in the furnace.
I'm so glad our Mayor and other government employees put public safety concerns over fiscal responsibility. Who knows how many people would die if these guns "wound up on the streets!"
Sometimes you have to wonder in any adults are running our state!
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Yeah, we paid for them. They belong to us.
Also, hpd won't even sell them to the officers.
200 of them are BNIB.
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Gun owners supported Caldwell in the election. Everyone should send him a message about how insulting it was to insinuate that selling those surplus guns to law-abiding citizens, vetted through one of the most strict and controlled handgun acquisition process in the nation, would result in them "ending up on the street" being used in criminal activity.
Here's the Mayor's website address: https://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
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It will end up in criminals' hands...somehow...but that's what Keith Kaneshiro said awhile back on the PBS debate.
Could someone explain to me how ALL of these weapons will end up in the hands of criminals?
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Gasp :( :o :grrr:
If you want to gasp, look at the comments section of hawaii news now's facebook post for that story...
:wtf:
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Gun owners supported Caldwell in the election. Everyone should send him a message about how insulting it was to insinuate that selling those surplus guns to law-abiding citizens, vetted through one of the most strict and controlled handgun acquisition process in the nation, would result in them "ending up on the street" being used in criminal activity.
Here's the Mayor's website address: https://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
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good idea
I just sent this message:
RE: Destruction of a HALF MILLION dollars worth of taxpayer funded property is ludicrous. Specifically, I am referring to the destruction of the old HPD service pistols. Some of which are brand new and never used. As I understand it, they won't even be sold to HPD or law enforcement officers. Those old pistols are very safe and valuable well crafted all-steel pistols, not some cheap plastic thing like the current Glock replacements. I strongly urge you to consider the ramifications of destroying a half million dollars worth of publicly funded property.
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If you want to gasp, look at the comments section of hawaii news now's facebook post for that story...
:wtf:
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I never drank the FB kool-aid.
What's the consensus there?
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bottom line is they are wasting $500k
what if they throw away all the used patrol cars?
better not sell it and have some drunk get behind the wheel and kill somebody.
what if a GM for a car dealership threw away all their used cars?
he'd be fired!
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I never drank the FB kool-aid.
What's the consensus there?
looks like consensus, overwhelmingly, is that HPD is wasting money.
not so much pro-gun, as there is pro-save-money.
nearly every comment is that it's a waste of money.
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The old Smith's? They should destroy them (GZ hates those pistols).
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good idea
I just sent this message:
RE: Destruction of a HALF MILLION dollars worth of taxpayer funded property is ludicrous. Specifically, I am referring to the destruction of the old HPD service pistols. Some of which are brand new and never used. As I understand it, they won't even be sold to HPD or law enforcement officers. Those old pistols are very safe and valuable well crafted all-steel pistols, not some cheap plastic thing like the current Glock replacements. I strongly urge you to consider the ramifications of destroying a half million dollars worth of publicly funded property.
Hey, hey, hey.
Easy on the tupperware ! :love:
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Hey, hey, hey.
Easy on the tupperware ! :love:
he can say it
he owns tupperware now
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Hey, hey, hey.
Easy on the tupperware ! :love:
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Hehehe
Just trying to bolster my viewpoint to mr mayor.
No offense to all my glockhead shooting buddies!
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:thumbsup:
:wave:...
Hehehe
Just trying to bolster my viewpoint to mr mayor.
No offense to all my glockhead shooting buddies!
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I was asking the boys at the window if anyone wanted to buy their's back and sell it to a law abiding, permit holding civilian and that's when I first heard No Mas.
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Gun owners supported Caldwell in the election. Everyone should send him a message about how insulting it was to insinuate that selling those surplus guns to law-abiding citizens, vetted through one of the most strict and controlled handgun acquisition process in the nation, would result in them "ending up on the street" being used in criminal activity.
Here's the Mayor's website address: https://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
Thanks HiCarry! :shaka: :thumbsup:
Just sent this:
I just read on HNN's site that HPD plans to destroy 2,300 service pistols that were replaced with newer pistols. And, what I find more appalling that wasting over $500,000.00 of tax payer money was the statement released by HPD that since Smith & Wesson did not buy them back "“The only remaining option is to destroy the guns so they don’t end up on the street.” What does that say about HPD's thoughts on law abiding citizens that have been vetted by very stringent firearms laws? Please reconsider this waste of our money.
I seriously cannot wait until I retire so I can move to a more reasonable state. I love Hawaii, but the governments . . . .
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The old Smith's? They should destroy them (GZ hates those pistols).
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Actually, I never cared much for them either. All the samples I tried did not shoot very accurately.
But for some strange reason, the mini versions shot really well.
That is why I bought a 3913.
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Someone drew a comparison with the used hpd patrol cars.
They sell the old cars to the public.
IMHO, Those cars are just as likely to injure somebody as any used hpd gun.
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Actually, I never cared much for them either. All the samples I tried did not shoot very accurately.
But for some strange reason, the mini versions shot really well.
That is why I bought a 3913.
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Someone drew a comparison with the used hpd patrol cars.
They sell the old cars to the public.
IMHO, Those cars are just as likely to injure somebody as any used hpd gun.
More likely even. Way more deaths from cars in hawaii than guns.
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Thanks HiCarry! :shaka: :thumbsup:
Just sent this:
I just read on HNN's site that HPD plans to destroy 2,300 service pistols that were replaced with newer pistols. And, what I find more appalling that wasting over $500,000.00 of tax payer money was the statement released by HPD that since Smith & Wesson did not buy them back "“The only remaining option is to destroy the guns so they don’t end up on the street.” What does that say about HPD's thoughts on law abiding citizens that have been vetted by very stringent firearms laws? Please reconsider this waste of our money.
I seriously cannot wait until I retire so I can move to a more reasonable state. I love Hawaii, but the governments . . . .
Just posted a related thread in the Legal and Activism section. Both HRA and LIFE have written a letter to the Mayor and are requesting others do the same via postings on our respective Facebook pages and websites. Here's the letter we sent the Mayor:
Mayor Caldwell,
After viewing the story on KGMB about HPD wanting to destroy $500,000.00 worth of fully functional guns rather than recoup some revenue on them, we at Lessons in Firearms Education (LIFE) and the Hawaii Rifle Association (HRA) were quite dismayed. In these times of lean budgets and continual cost cutting to needed city services, to throw away a half million dollars seems senseless.
The reason your office and HPD gave for not selling to the public seemed to be a slight on those legal gun owners who would have purchased them and who supported you during your election. You should be ashamed for suggesting that the good citizens of Hawaii cannot be trusted with buying HPD’s surplus guns for fear of them falling into criminal hands when record numbers of firearms have been bought by those same citizens for the last 10 years without any such problems.
To claim that selling these guns was going to "put them on the streets" as if to infer they were destined to fall into the hands of criminals seems a bit irrational and alarmist considering the rigorous processes that are currently place for the sole purpose of preventing that type of diversion and that law abiding citizens go thorough each and every time they purchase handguns. In conformity with Hawaii law, HPD’s surplus firearms could only be sold using this process, which includes mandatory training, a background check, and a 14 day waiting period.
We at LIFE and HRA offer our assistance in finding a way to sell these fully functional guns to responsible gun owners.
We at LIFE and HRA respectfully request the decision to destroy these fully functional guns be reversed.
Bill Richter, President
Lessons in Firearms Education.
Harvey Gerwig, President
Hawaii Rifle Association
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Sickens me after I read it - not about the waste but the blanket statement that the guns will end up on the street. Seems as though all citizens with guns are criminals.
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My letter:
Dear Mayor Caldwell.
I am writing to express extreme dissatisfaction with your decision to destroy HPD's retired firearms. You are simultaneously discarding a needed revenue source, ignoring statistics and facts, expressing a lack of confidence in Hawaii's already-restrictive laws, and offending the gun-owning constituency that helped to elect you. Myriad police departments nationwide have conducted sales of retired firearms; none have ever reported a subsequent jump in violence. Doubtless many of the models already successfully used could be adopted under Hawaii law.
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To claim that selling these guns was going to "put them on the streets" as if to infer they were destined to fall into the hands of criminals
You know I'm a stickler for details... Mayor Caldwell implied, you inferred. Is it too late to catch that?
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Actually, I never cared much for them either. All the samples I tried did not shoot very accurately.
But for some strange reason, the mini versions shot really well.
That is why I bought a 3913.
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Someone drew a comparison with the used hpd patrol cars.
They sell the old cars to the public.
IMHO, Those cars are just as likely to injure somebody as any used hpd gun.
I would argue the cars are more likely to affect the public than the pistols.
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You know I'm a stickler for details... Mayor Caldwell implied, you inferred. Is it too late to catch that?
Yep, too late...but good catch. Thanks Tom
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didnt this story come out a year ago?
we already knew Kealoha and Caldwell didnt respect our rights. i dont think anyone should be surprised. they're just pushing an agenda here.
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I would argue the cars are more likely to affect the public than the pistols.
given our murder rates, i dont think it's an argument, its a fact.
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funny story, when i registered the 5906 at hpd one of the officers asked me why i wanted a used 5906 knowing that at the time they were converting to glocks (this was at least 2 years ago).
i said i liked the heavy construction and 90s design and looks, plus i grew up with 90s action movies, s&w semi-autos were the choice of 90s movie cop characters.
then he proceeded to show me his s&w 3900 and jokingly offered to sell it to me
but he musta thought it was hilarious i went through the lengths to get a specific pistol shipped to hawaii and lo and behold they got about 2500 of em ready to be incinerated...
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Ironic. The sheriff and dept. of corrections are getting a major credit for selling their S&W semi-autos and revolvers back to the company selling them their new Sigs.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/newspremium/20150807_agency_to_change_duty_weapons.html?id=321011651
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Ironic. The sheriff and dept. of corrections are getting a major credit for selling their S&W semi-autos and revolvers back to the company selling them their new Sigs.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/newspremium/20150807_agency_to_change_duty_weapons.html?id=321011651
i thought that most LE deals from glock/s&w included trade-in credit to entice the departments to switch
i wonder why the HPD deal didn't involve a trade in
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i thought that most LE deals from glock/s&w included trade-in credit to entice the departments to switch
i wonder why the HPD deal didn't involve a trade in
Why?! That makes too much sense.
Govt.'s solution to problems is to throw money and/or personnel
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Why didn't HPD just go with M&P pistols instead? According to the news station I watched, it stated something to the effect, S&W didn't give a credit for the pistols because HPD chose to go with another brand. Or what they could have done prior to the large purchase was to write in the contract, to take in the current stock of pistols in for credit. Even if it is half for what it is worth retail. $5 in the hand is way better than having something that costs $10 in your hand, but in this case it seems it will be just tossed into the scrap metal bin.
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What we have here is a city council who approved a $$Million+ expenditure proposal from the police chief without either side understanding the details.
Even as the news stated a year ago, no one had any idea what options were feasible for disposing of the current pistols. The new Glocks were already being issued, yet the city was far from deciding on what to do with the current sidearms.
http://khon2.com/2014/06/26/hpd-replacing-thousands-of-guns-old-guns-in-limbo/
The city should have never approved the new Glock purchases without a solid plan on how to get rid of the S&W pistols. Had the police and city council exercised due diligence instead of laziness, maybe there would be a more cost effective weapon being purchased, like the S&W M&P, as the replacement versus Glocks? Turning in the old S&W pistols would have then been a potential solution.
So, our elected and appointed "leaders" made a decision without bothering to work out the details, and now they've painted themselves into a corner with few options. Sell to the public (HORRORS!)? Melt for scrap? Let them rust in storage? Donate to Samoa?
This type of continuous mismanagement of public monies is exactly why we are always dealing with H-3, rail, property tax, hurricane fund, sewer system deterioration, Board of Education and a host of other city and state budget issues.
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(http://i.imgur.com/WputZu9.png)
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"so they won't end up on the streets of Honolulu" what, were they going to sell them in some alley down Chinatown? psst hey you wanna' buy a piece cheap? mocking their own gun registration schemes and officers too. but gotta' get the talking point out there.
just ridiculous.
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(http://i.imgur.com/WputZu9.png)
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side note the 5900 magazines are compatible with kel tec sub2000, kel tec p-11, and marlin camp 9.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tevz637Ogmc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tevz637Ogmc)
will the mags be destroyed as well ? :( :'(
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$500k pays for 1,000 of the new Glocks.....
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I got a reply from the chief's office. Same old BS. see attached.
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I got a reply from the chief's office. Same old BS. see attached.
I'd like them to answer one simple question: Why did they not plan for the disposition of the S&W pistols BEFORE committing to purchasing the Glock replacements? They could have negotiated for a credit from Glock, just like the Department of Safety received a credit for their S&Ws from Sig Sauer.
This is an example of poor planning and inattention to the replacement process. Someone in HPD wasted over half a million of tax payer dollars because they didn't do their job!!
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It's the "end up on the streets of Honolulu" line that keeps pissin' me off.
Are you shittin me !
Not to mention the $500,000 dollahs.
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what does $575,000 buy?
(approximate)
1,796,875 rounds of ammo
1000 bullet proof vests
57,500 plate lunches
82,142 rubber slippers
287,500 cups of starbucks coffee
7667 illegal mexicans working for a day.
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I got a reply from the chief's office. Same old BS. see attached.
i received the same canned bullshit response via email today. smh
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It's the "end up on the streets of Honolulu" line that keeps pissin' me off.
yep
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Yeah, I got the same form letter.
"end up on the streets of Honolulu" ? :wacko:
What, we got ccw now or HPD wass going to sell them illegally ? :crazy:
What a waste of money. :grrr:
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Have you replied to his BS reasoning? It is all political BS based entirely on the Democrats desire to rule and the ambitions and aspirations of dominating superiority their ilk attracts.
Got a BS response from the chief below is my reply.
Aloha,
Although your response gives reasons for the destruction of these guns, the reasoning given for not selling them to the general public is certainly derived nonsense.
Hawaii's gun laws do not arbitrarily allow "guns on the streets". The guns would end up in the hands of law abiding citizens; people that have passed through the qualifications and background checks necessary for handgun ownership. You, as well as I, know that those guns would be kept at home or a place of business unless going to and from a range.
The guns could also have been sold to a mainland high volume dealer bringing in much needed revenues to the City and County.
In this day and age it is absolutely ridiculous to waste 1/2 million dollars of tax payers money for political correctness or ambition.
Yes, political correctness or political ambition, as the facts do not add up.
Sincerely,
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Dear Mr. Kealoha
This was an outrageous waste of our hard earned tax payer money.
The only thing worst than wasting our money is the insulting insinuation that these guns may
"end up on the streets of Honolulu".
Did you think criminals were going to acquire these 2,300 guns and rampage Honolulu ?
With Hawaii's strict firearm laws, if you followed your own rules, only law abiding citizens would have been able to purchase them.
But you did not even trust your own officers to purchase these firearms!
The very firearms they have been carrying for years.
The half million dollars could have helped our county in so many way's.
Homelessness, education, infrastructure, police training and dare I even say, the lose money rail project.
Now this news has traveled through out the nation and Hawaii looks inept and wasteful (and was timed perfectly with the plethora of sewage spills making the news).
This will be the legacy you and our mayor have bestowed upon us, and for this you shall be remembered.
Regards,
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Ya know, I just thought of something...
This edict to destroy guns and the caravan carrying the guns to the "recycling" plant looks and sounds like something Hitler might have done in ww2.
Jus' sayin'