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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: macsak on August 23, 2015, 07:19:30 PM
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http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/15759/Video-Tulsi-Gabbard-praises-her-Guru-Chris-Butler-on-50th-Anniversary-of-Hare-Krishna-in-USA.aspx?utm_source=August+23%2C+2015+News+from+Hawaii+Free+Press&utm_campaign=August+23%2C+2015+Email&utm_medium=email
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/15786/Tulsi-Gabbard-Running-for-Vice-President.aspx?utm_source=August+23%2C+2015+News+from+Hawaii+Free+Press&utm_campaign=August+23%2C+2015+Email&utm_medium=email
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Clinton/Gabbard? Two vaginas for the price of.........our freedom.
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You don't think Gabbard is a little too close to the middle to be with Clinton? Unless Clinton is looking for someone who leans towards the center...
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Clinton's looking for someone, such as former military, who understands how classified material is supposed to be protected ..... since it's obvious she dosen't have a clue! :crazy:
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You don't think Gabbard is a little too close to the middle to be with Clinton? Unless Clinton is looking for someone who leans towards the center...
I was being sarcastic.
I think Clinton would do anything, lie about anything, kill anyone necessary, if it got her the presidency.
She represents everything that's wrong with our political system at this point in time.
She belongs in prison.
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Let's not forget what Tulsi thought after Sandy Hook:
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Dear Q_____,
Thank you for contacting me and sharing your thoughts about guns and gun violence. I appreciate your taking the time to get in touch.
The debate over preventing tragic and unnecessary deaths while maintaining our constitutionally guaranteed Second Amendment rights should not be an ideological one. This is a pragmatic and urgent issue that we all must be concerned with, so we can prevent terrible tragedies, like the one that occurred at Sandy Hook, from ever happening again.
As a Soldier and Military Police Officer, I have received extensive training and have significant experience in handling a variety of firearms. Having firsthand knowledge of the impact of these weapons, and the devastation they can cause, I do not see any role for military-style assault weapons on our streets and in our communities. This is why I support reinstating the assault weapons ban, and a ban on high-capacity clips holding more than 10 rounds. These provisions replicate the protections that we have already
in place in Hawai`i, and which have played a role in our state having the lowest firearm-related homicide rate in the country.
There are other policy changes that should occur- this includes increasing school security, shoring up our mental healthcare system, closing the gun show loophole, and requiring background checks on all persons wanting to purchase a gun. These are practical steps that both the public and gun owners have recognized as necessary to keep firearms out of the hands of those who should not own or use one.
I support the Second Amendment and our constitutional right to bear arms. In Hawai`i, we have a rich tradition of hunting, and some of our families rely on it not only for food, but for their livelihood. These responsible gun owners will not be affected by this change in federal policy, and will be able to continue their activities unaffected.
My concern is that we need to do more; we cannot just pass legislation and assume that it will solve the problem. The problems are much deeper. We have to take a holistic approach to protecting our communities. To begin with, we have to focus on resourcing and enforcing the existing laws that we have in place already. We have to come together and find creative ways to get illegal guns off the street. We have to empower the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to do its job. The agency has had five acting directors since 2006 and is in need of a permanent director and stable leadership.
Everyone wants to reduce gun violence, stop mass shooting tragedies, and prevent the 30 homicides from guns that occur every single day in America. I look forward to continuing the conversation with you as we work together to prevent more senseless death.
Sincerely,
TULSI GABBARD
Member of Congress
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Let's not forget what Tulsi thought after Sandy Hook:
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Dear Q_____,
Thank you for contacting me and sharing your thoughts about guns and gun violence. I appreciate your taking the time to get in touch.
The debate over preventing tragic and unnecessary deaths while maintaining our constitutionally guaranteed Second Amendment rights should not be an ideological one. This is a pragmatic and urgent issue that we all must be concerned with, so we can prevent terrible tragedies, like the one that occurred at Sandy Hook, from ever happening again.
As a Soldier and Military Police Officer, I have received extensive training and have significant experience in handling a variety of firearms. Having firsthand knowledge of the impact of these weapons, and the devastation they can cause, I do not see any role for military-style assault weapons on our streets and in our communities. This is why I support reinstating the assault weapons ban, and a ban on high-capacity clips holding more than 10 rounds. These provisions replicate the protections that we have already
in place in Hawai`i, and which have played a role in our state having the lowest firearm-related homicide rate in the country.
There are other policy changes that should occur- this includes increasing school security, shoring up our mental healthcare system, closing the gun show loophole, and requiring background checks on all persons wanting to purchase a gun. These are practical steps that both the public and gun owners have recognized as necessary to keep firearms out of the hands of those who should not own or use one.
I support the Second Amendment and our constitutional right to bear arms. In Hawai`i, we have a rich tradition of hunting, and some of our families rely on it not only for food, but for their livelihood. These responsible gun owners will not be affected by this change in federal policy, and will be able to continue their activities unaffected.
My concern is that we need to do more; we cannot just pass legislation and assume that it will solve the problem. The problems are much deeper. We have to take a holistic approach to protecting our communities. To begin with, we have to focus on resourcing and enforcing the existing laws that we have in place already. We have to come together and find creative ways to get illegal guns off the street. We have to empower the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to do its job. The agency has had five acting directors since 2006 and is in need of a permanent director and stable leadership.
Everyone wants to reduce gun violence, stop mass shooting tragedies, and prevent the 30 homicides from guns that occur every single day in America. I look forward to continuing the conversation with you as we work together to prevent more senseless death.
Sincerely,
TULSI GABBARD
Member of Congress
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Saw her on KHON this morning, apparently she hasn't made up her mind on the Iran deal. Just another Socialist in Democratic clothing IMO.
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Saw her on KHON this morning, apparently she hasn't made up her mind on the Iran deal. Just another Socialist in Democratic clothing IMO.
I wonder how well it would go over to the US population when they find out she's a Hare Krishna.
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Saw her on KHON this morning, apparently she hasn't made up her mind on the Iran deal. Just another Socialist in Democratic clothing IMO.
Funny, some democrats consider her to lean republican. That aside, why do you assume that not having made up her mind equates her to being a socialist? Heaven forbid she actually consider the pros and cons of both sides of the issue before voicing an opinion.
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Funny, some democrats consider her to lean republican. That aside, why do you assume that not having made up her mind equates her to being a socialist? Heaven forbid she actually consider the pros and cons of both sides of the issue before voicing an opinion.
Socialists believe in a "Rainbows, Unicorns and everyone living and working together for the common good."
To believe Iran is in any way going to cooperate and live up to the expectations of the deal is naive. They have stated their ideologies and obsessions for decades. The US and Israel are the Big Satan and Little Satan. Israel must be pushed into the sea, and all Jews everywhere must convert to Islam or die.
The reality of the Middle East is not one of mutual respect and cooperation, particularly when they are harboring a vile hatred of our country almost since birth. Iran sees this deal as a victory -- a way to finally remove the sanctions without really giving up their quest to obtain nuclear weapons.
If you truly believe Iran will just stop what they have been developing and convert it all into peaceful nuclear energy plants, then you may also have Socialist tendencies!
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Nothing wrong with being Socialist if that's what you believe.
MauiD, you're exclamation point and tendencies reference make it seem like it's a disease.
Of course I'm a Liberal (as declared by you previously) so I'm afflicted as well. :D
Your statement about what Socialist believe is so simplistic you must be a simpleton !
( I added the exclamation just cause you did. Doesn't mean socialists don't believe in blowing shit up if it threatens them and everybody pulling their weight.)
Who are we to tell any country you can't develop the technology we have......and Russia.....and China.....and Pakistan.....and all of Europe.....and North Korea....and Israel.....
Peace through superior firepower and the balls to use it.
Note: not a supporter of Tulsi Gabbard and not in her district. Her reply to Q makes me sick.
Plus Clips. :rofl:
When did this 2A forum become the the ultra-conservative right-wing forum.
nobody told me I needed to be a republican to join. I thought independent would be OK.
Rand Paul for President.
Or to quote MMM:
Anyone but Hillary !
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Nothing wrong with being Socialist if that's what you believe.
MauiD, you're exclamation point and tendencies reference make it seem like it's a disease.
Of course I'm a Liberal (as declared by you previously) so I'm afflicted as well. :D
Your statement about what Socialist believe is so simplistic you must be a simpleton !
( I added the exclamation just cause you did. Doesn't mean socialists don't believe in blowing shit up if it threatens them and everybody pulling their weight.)
Who are we to tell any country you can't develop the technology we have......and Russia.....and China.....and Pakistan.....and all of Europe.....and North Korea....and Israel.....
Peace through superior firepower and the balls to use it.
Note: not a supporter of Tulsi Gabbard and not in her district. Her reply to Q makes me sick.
Plus Clips. :rofl:
When did this 2A forum become the the ultra-conservative right-wing forum.
nobody told me I needed to be a republican to join. I thought independent would be OK.
Rand Paul for President.
Or to quote MMM:
Anyone but Hillary !
You're not really a scholar of world history, or you wouldn't make such a statement. That's like saying, "Nothing wrong with pedophilia as long as the parents give you permission."
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You're not really a scholar of world history, or you wouldn't make such a statement. That's like saying, "Nothing wrong with pedophilia as long as the parents give you permission."
Thought we were talking about 21st century socialism.
Canada, Switzerland, ......
I never lived in the 40's.
That's like saying, "Nothing wrong with pedophilia as long as the parents give you permission."
:wtf:
Hope you're not doing anything we don't know about MauiD !
How do you even come up with that analogy unless you're sick.
Pedophilia ? Really ?
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Let's not forget what Tulsi thought after Sandy Hook:
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Dear Q_____,
Thank you for contacting me and sharing your thoughts about guns and gun violence. I appreciate your taking the time to get in touch.
The debate over preventing tragic and unnecessary deaths while maintaining our constitutionally guaranteed Second Amendment rights should not be an ideological one. This is a pragmatic and urgent issue that we all must be concerned with, so we can prevent terrible tragedies, like the one that occurred at Sandy Hook, from ever happening again.
As a Soldier and Military Police Officer, I have received extensive training and have significant experience in handling a variety of firearms. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(http://in1.ccio.co/es/gE/tw/128774870564866591c8vxrVoEc.jpg)
Having firsthand knowledge of the impact of these weapons, and the devastation they can cause, I do not see any role for military-style assault weapons on our streets and in our communities. This is why I support reinstating the assault weapons ban, and a ban on high-capacity clips holding more than 10 rounds. These provisions replicate the protections that we have already
in place in Hawai`i, and which have played a role in our state having the lowest firearm-related homicide rate in the country.
There are other policy changes that should occur- this includes increasing school security, shoring up our mental healthcare system, closing the gun show loophole, and requiring background checks on all persons wanting to purchase a gun. These are practical steps that both the public and gun owners have recognized as necessary to keep firearms out of the hands of those who should not own or use one.
I support the Second Amendment and our constitutional right to bear arms. In Hawai`i, we have a rich tradition of hunting, and some of our families rely on it not only for food, but for their livelihood. These responsible gun owners will not be affected by this change in federal policy, and will be able to continue their activities unaffected.
My concern is that we need to do more; we cannot just pass legislation and assume that it will solve the problem. The problems are much deeper. We have to take a holistic approach to protecting our communities. To begin with, we have to focus on resourcing and enforcing the existing laws that we have in place already. We have to come together and find creative ways to get illegal guns off the street. We have to empower the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to do its job. The agency has had five acting directors since 2006 and is in need of a permanent director and stable leadership.
Everyone wants to reduce gun violence, stop mass shooting tragedies, and prevent the 30 homicides from guns that occur every single day in America. I look forward to continuing the conversation with you as we work together to prevent more senseless death.
Sincerely,
TULSI GABBARD
Member of Congress
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Thought we were talking about 21st century socialism.
Canada, Switzerland, ......
I never lived in the 40's.
:wtf:
Hope you're not doing anything we don't know about MauiD !
How do you even come up with that analogy unless you're sick.
Pedophilia ? Really ?
I don't know who's been whispering sweet nothings in your ear, but IF there's a difference between Socialism of the 20th Century and the 21st Century, maybe you'd be so kind as to enlighten us all? That is, unless you're just BS-ing with a bunch a Democrat Party hogwash.
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You're just blowing smoke now MauiD !
As you like to retreat to, look it up, Google is your friend,....
take a community college class..... :rofl: :rofl:
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You're just blowing smoke now MauiD !
As you like to retreat to, look it up, Google is your friend,....
take a community college class..... :rofl: :rofl:
Seriously? You're going to hide behind a lazy response like "go look it up yourself?" :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
I don't want to know what Bernie Sanders thinks. I want to know what YOU think. :crazy:
Of course, if you're just trolling me, then that explains why you have no answer. >:D
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Get over yourself MauiD.
Seriously? You're going to hide behind a lazy response like "go look it up yourself?
Pot calling the kettle black. ( not racist, old saying, we're both Haole )
Trolling you?
Proves my point you're defensive and paranoid.
Why does everyone who disagrees with you need to be trolling you?
Turn the table, what is 21st century Socialism as you refer to it with Bernie Sanders, ?
Is it Stalin, Mussolini, Mao....
And I never said I support it for the record, just people are entitled to their beliefs.
Ah crap, this is a whole new off topic post.
:stopjack:
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(http://i.imgur.com/koQXWwQ.jpg)
no one wants to accept that so they invent demons.
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Funny, some democrats consider her to lean republican. That aside, why do you assume that not having made up her mind equates her to being a socialist? Heaven forbid she actually consider the pros and cons of both sides of the issue before voicing an opinion.
SOCIALIST
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"As a Soldier and Military Police Officer, I have received extensive training and have significant experience in handling a variety of firearms."
As a former soldier and former Military Police officer, I say Tulsi is full of shit.
Her receiving extensive training and significant experience through her less than impressive military career is like a cook attached to 1st group claiming he is Special Forces just because he cooks food for the unit.
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Politicians are at best incompetent and greedy or at worst power hungry and destructive. There's no saviour coming, or at least they won't be running for office because that's the worst place to be if your true desire is to make the world a better place. I'd be a socialist if I thought it would do any good, but now it seems like we are just heading back to caveman days with the 400 richest delusional inbred psychopaths driving Western Civilization off a cliff.
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Socialists believe in a "Rainbows, Unicorns and everyone living and working together for the common good."
To believe Iran is in any way going to cooperate and live up to the expectations of the deal is naive. They have stated their ideologies and obsessions for decades. The US and Israel are the Big Satan and Little Satan. Israel must be pushed into the sea, and all Jews everywhere must convert to Islam or die.
The reality of the Middle East is not one of mutual respect and cooperation, particularly when they are harboring a vile hatred of our country almost since birth. Iran sees this deal as a victory -- a way to finally remove the sanctions without really giving up their quest to obtain nuclear weapons.
If you truly believe Iran will just stop what they have been developing and convert it all into peaceful nuclear energy plants, then you may also have Socialist tendencies!
The thing is she didn't say she supported the Iran deal so why attack her as if she did? She said she was undecided. This is a responsible reply by anyone who has not yet been able to consider all the sides on it. It is certainly a complicated issue and I would rather a thought out response than a party lines response.
I personally have not made up my mind I lean more against it than before it right now but there is one news piece I read recently which made some good points for it as well. Not necessarily that Iran will follow the deal but that it better deals with the reality that Iran will probably make a nuke either way. If I can find the article again I can post it if you are interested in reading it.
She may be no friend of the 2nd amendment but she has crossed the aisle before on other issues.
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I don't know who's been whispering sweet nothings in your ear, but IF there's a difference between Socialism of the 20th Century and the 21st Century, maybe you'd be so kind as to enlighten us all? That is, unless you're just BS-ing with a bunch a Democrat Party hogwash.
I think what he is trying to say is that perhaps there is a different between the tenants of socialism and what some people did under a socialist government. Sure we can find horrible things done under the banner of socialism but that doesn't mean socialism itself supports those things. We have our own soiled history, does that mean all democratic republics are bad or that the idea of democracy is bad? Of course not.
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I think what he is trying to say is that perhaps there is a different between the tenants of socialism and what some people did under a socialist government. Sure we can find horrible things done under the banner of socialism but that doesn't mean socialism itself supports those things. We have our own soiled history, does that mean all democratic republics are bad or that the idea of democracy is bad? Of course not.
Capitalism is not a form of government. It is a type of economic system.
Socialism is a form of government. It requires that the public share equally what is produced, and that the government owns and controls the businesses to enforce that equality. That much power in the hands of the government will necessarily lead to oppression and massive corruption.
If you choose to believe otherwise, give an example where a socialized nation has flourished. Not one with just socialized medicine or other individual programs, but where socialism is their way of life.
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If you choose to believe otherwise, give an example where a socialized nation has flourished. Not one with just socialized medicine or other individual programs, but where socialism is their way of life.
Why you gotta be so extremist ?
We're calling Bernie Sanders a Socialist and he doesn't prescribe to the whole salami you're talking about.
There are plenty of flourishing Nations labeled Socialist.
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Norway.......
And a lot of them have great 2a rights. Maybe they're privileges in those countries but they got a lot of gun owners.
And I'm not saying I support Socialism. Just that there's more than one opinion.
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Why you gotta be so extremist ?
We're calling Bernie Sanders a Socialist and he doesn't prescribe to the whole salami you're talking about.
There are plenty of flourishing Nations labeled Socialist.
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Norway.......
And a lot of them have great 2a rights. Maybe they're privileges in those countries but they got a lot of gun owners.
And I'm not saying I support Socialism. Just that there's more than one opinion.
Just because you have a right to your own opinion doesn't mean that opinion is right!!!!! >:D
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Why you gotta be so extremist ?
We're calling Bernie Sanders a Socialist and he doesn't prescribe to the whole salami you're talking about.
There are plenty of flourishing Nations labeled Socialist.
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Norway.......
And a lot of them have great 2a rights. Maybe they're privileges in those countries but they got a lot of gun owners.
And I'm not saying I support Socialism. Just that there's more than one opinion.
You might want to fact check on 'great 2a rights', hound; all of them listed are restricted with regards to 2a, and based in hunting and sport rather than what 2a really stands for.
Also, might want to watch this piece on what Bernie Sanders really stands for:
https://youtu.be/D0Yp1jUtcX8
https://youtu.be/z1jCSfySGtk
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Why you gotta be so extremist ?
There are plenty of flourishing Nations labeled Socialist.
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Norway.......
Why you gotta be so wrong all the time?
Sweden: Constitutional Monarchy
Denmark: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy
Finland: Unitary parliamentary constitutional republic
"Like other Nordic countries, Finland has decentralised its economy since the late 1980s. Financial and product market regulation were loosened. Some state enterprises have been privatized and there have been some modest tax cuts. Finland joined the European Union in 1995, and the Eurozone in 1999."
Netherlands: Unitary parliamentary constitutional republic
Norway: Unitary parliamentary constitutional republic
I don't know what you mean by countries "labeled Socialist". Is this what they teach in school now? Because Socialism is a form of government. These counties clearly are not Socialist. They may have some centralized aspects just like the US (welfare), but if they allow private ownership of the companies which contribute to the GDP, then they are not Socialist.
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Good point MauiD.
Added: based on your own arguments...
You Shoulda just supported eatingfisheye's original statement and just said they shouldn't call Tulsi a Socialist because she's not close by the classic definition.
Maybe I shoulda just said these countries have socialist tendencies. ( which I kinda did )
You might want to fact check on 'great 2a rights', hound; all of them listed are restricted with regards to 2a, and based in hunting and sport rather than what 2a really stands for.
Most those countries made guns and ammo top ten for countries to own a gun in but I definitely could be
wrong.
I don't support Bernie Sanders but MauiD proved he's not a socialist.
Rand Paul for President.
((Anyone but Hillary)
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Good point MauiD.
You Shoulda just supported eatingfisheye's original statement and just said they shouldn't call Tulsi a Socialist because she's not close by the classic definition.
Maybe I shoulda just said these countries have socialist tendencies. ( which I kinda did )
Most those countries made guns and ammo top ten for countries to own a gun in but I definitely could be
wrong.
I don't support Bernie Sanders but MauiD proved he's not a socialist.
Rand Paul for President.
((Anyone but Hillary)
Bernie Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist and his policy proposals support that statement.
In an unrelated note I do enjoy watching you two canines shit all over each other. :popcorn:
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Good point MauiD.
You Shoulda just supported eatingfisheye's original statement and just said they shouldn't call Tulsi a Socialist because she's not close by the classic definition.
Maybe I shoulda just said these countries have socialist tendencies. ( which I kinda did )
Most those countries made guns and ammo top ten for countries to own a gun in but I definitely could be
wrong.
I don't support Bernie Sanders but MauiD proved he's not a socialist.
Rand Paul for President.
((Anyone but Hillary)
Maybe I should PM you all my responses from now own so you can tell me what I should say? You seem to have a tendency to latch onto my posts more than others comments. If you're that concerned with what I have to say, we should collaborate so I don't say anything you disagree with!!
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Bernie Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist and his policy proposals support that statement.
No such thing as a democratic socialist.
Just ask MauiD !
(As supported by his prior posts)
Maybe I should PM you all my responses from now own so you can tell me what I should say? You seem to have a tendency to latch onto my posts more than others comments. If you're that concerned with what I have to say, we should collaborate so I don't say anything you disagree with!!
What ?
You don't like a good debate.
Just because you have a right to your own opinion doesn't mean that opinion is right!!!!! >:D
Right back at ya chief !
Words to live by.
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Capitalism is not a form of government. It is a type of economic system.
Socialism is a form of government. It requires that the public share equally what is produced, and that the government owns and controls the businesses to enforce that equality. That much power in the hands of the government will necessarily lead to oppression and massive corruption.
If you choose to believe otherwise, give an example where a socialized nation has flourished. Not one with just socialized medicine or other individual programs, but where socialism is their way of life.
I didn't use the word capitalism but thanks for clarification.
What you defined as socialism seems more like the definition of communism than socialism.
There seems to rarely exist any pure type of government. There is no pure democracy, no pure socialism, no pure monarchy if you really want to split hairs. We have socialism type programs in this country but we also have democratic republic type systems as well. If you are going to nit pick and disqualify hound's examples then we could do the same about the USA being a certain type of system. Being socialist isn't the worst thing in the world, there are far worse things one can bring to the party. I am not a socialist by any definition even though I support some socialist programs (like free public K-12 education)
Either way, Tulsi Gabbard's undecided position on the Iran deal is in no way grounds for claiming she is a socialist.
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No such thing as a democratic socialist.
Just ask MauiD !
(As supported by his prior posts)
Most others are respectful or at least humorous.
Just stop being rude and attacking other members for their views (and I'm not talking about me) and I'll be as happy as a clam and quiet as a mouse.
Of course you've made it clear repeatedly that you don't care if you're not courteous and that it's everyone else's problem if they can't handle your uncensored brain/comments and you've even tried to take your ball and go home a couple times.
Plus I prefer to disagree in public.
It's more fun. :D
Right back at ya chief !
Words to live by.
Drop the mic.
Over and out.
How many times are you going to jack this thread? You seem to think you have some moral high ground, trying to police the forum of people you don't like.
You have nothing to actually add to the real topic other than your "opinion" and insults. You're just commenting because you had an emotional reaction to something I posted. :'( :-[
Thread-jacking is also rude and disrespectful -- to the entire forum, yet you don't seem to care about that.
You might be amusing yourself IN PUBLIC by taking over threads with your little attacks, but it's still poor behavior, especially for a hypocrite trying to preach how others ought to behave.
Pathetic!!
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Note: edited my last post before the post above was posted.
Do you ever read what you write or listen to yourself ?
It takes 2 to tango.
You have as many off topic posts as I do.
I tried to get the thread back on topic on page 1.
was kind of a good debate though.
Pathetic !!? ( using your 2 exclamation points )
Pathetic is being on your third forum name.
Moosed. DarmokandJalad. Mauidog.
What's the next one gonna be ?
:stopjack:
I was amazed when we visited Washington D.C. We were there on the 4th of July and the last float in the parade along the Mall wasn't a color guard or band it was the Hare Krishnas.
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I didn't use the word capitalism but thanks for clarification.
What you defined as socialism seems more like the definition of communism than socialism.
There seems to rarely exist any pure type of government. There is no pure democracy, no pure socialism, no pure monarchy if you really want to split hairs. We have socialism type programs in this country but we also have democratic republic type systems as well. If you are going to nit pick and disqualify hound's examples then we could do the same about the USA being a certain type of system. Being socialist isn't the worst thing in the world, there are far worse things one can bring to the party. I am not a socialist by any definition even though I support some socialist programs (like free public K-12 education)
Either way, Tulsi Gabbard's undecided position on the Iran deal is in no way grounds for claiming she is a socialist.
I've studied Socialism and Communism in school as well as the military. The Cold War was still going on then. Not all of us were born after Reagan left office. :)
Communism and Socialism are the same thing. The only real difference is Communism is the "end game" of Socialists. Think of the game Othello. The goal is to turn all the pieces to whatever color is yours. Ideally, you want them all to be Black or White, whichever color you need to win.
Each country that becomes Socialist is another playing piece changed to your color. Once all the pieces are changed, you have Communism.
Communism can not be attained as long as there is opposition to it/Socialism. think about it. If 80% of the world is converted to Socialism, but 20% are still capitalists, those 20% are not donating to the "good of the state". They are accumulating wealth and capital goods to make profits, not to share with everyone. The other 80% want that wealth so everyone gets a little more of the wealth instead of a few having it.
Now, think about how easy it would be to blame all your country's woes on the capitalists of the world. Their greedy capitalist ways are preventing your Socialist nation from attaining true Communism, that utopian state where everyone shares equally, and nobody goes without. Where it's "from each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs." Perfect scapegoat, huh?
it sounds so good until you realize Communism can never be attained unless the US totally abandons our foundation of freedom and individual liberty, those things which make our country so great.
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And a lot of them have great 2a rights. Maybe they're privileges in those countries but they got a lot of gun owners.
I don't want to dive into the deep end of this discussion, but just have to say...
Privileges =/= rights.
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :D
This is so much better than the k-drama my wife is watching tonight.
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I've studied Socialism and Communism in school as well as the military. The Cold War was still going on then. Not all of us were born after Reagan left office. :)
Communism and Socialism are the same thing. The only real difference is Communism is the "end game" of Socialists. Think of the game Othello. The goal is to turn all the pieces to whatever color is yours. Ideally, you want them all to be Black or White, whichever color you need to win.
Each country that becomes Socialist is another playing piece changed to your color. Once all the pieces are changed, you have Communism.
Communism can not be attained as long as there is opposition to it/Socialism. think about it. If 80% of the world is converted to Socialism, but 20% are still capitalists, those 20% are not donating to the "good of the state". They are accumulating wealth and capital goods to make profits, not to share with everyone. The other 80% want that wealth so everyone gets a little more of the wealth instead of a few having it.
Now, think about how easy it would be to blame all your country's woes on the capitalists of the world. Their greedy capitalist ways are preventing your Socialist nation from attaining true Communism, that utopian state where everyone shares equally, and nobody goes without. Where it's "from each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs." Perfect scapegoat, huh?
it sounds so good until you realize Communism can never be attained unless the US totally abandons our foundation of freedom and individual liberty, those things which make our country so great.
They are not the same thing, yes they share some some similarities but they are not the same thing. And you cannot claim it to be the end game, it is possible that one intend to stop at socialism without going to communism.
I am not trying to prove the virtues of socialism so you don't need to try and prove it is an inferior system. Besides, I am sure we could find a socialistic system you do actually like. Point is don't claim Gabbard to be a socialist for being on the fence on the Iran deal. One is not related to the other.
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They are not the same thing, yes they share some some similarities but they are not the same thing. And you cannot claim it to be the end game, it is possible that one intend to stop at socialism without going to communism.
I am not trying to prove the virtues of socialism so you don't need to try and prove it is an inferior system. Besides, I am sure we could find a socialistic system you do actually like. Point is don't claim Gabbard to be a socialist for being on the fence on the Iran deal. One is not related to the other.
Do you have any sources that back up your definitions of Socialism & Communism?
You tell me I'm wrong, but you offer no intelligent sources that agree with you.
Anything?
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I don't want to dive into the deep end of this discussion, but just have to say...
Privileges =/= rights.
I agree. That's why I added the privileges part.
How many times are you going to jack this thread?
Thread-jacking is rude and disrespectful -- to the entire forum, yet you don't seem to care about that by taking over threads with your little attacks, but it's still poor behavior, especially for a hypocrite
Again, right back at ya.
What does socialism and communism have to do with Tulsi being a Cult member and hoping someone would pick her to run for VP ?
Stop jacking the thread.
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Do you have any sources that back up your definitions of Socialism & Communism?
You tell me I'm wrong, but you offer no intelligent sources that agree with you.
Anything?
The burden of proof is on you sir, I am not required to prove a negative.
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Do you have any sources that back up your definitions of Socialism & Communism?
You tell me I'm wrong, but you offer no intelligent sources that agree with you.
Anything?
UK has been around for some time and I don't see them heading towards a Communist system anytime soon.
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The burden of proof is on you sir, I am not required to prove a negative.
Burden of proof?
If you can't back up your comments by citing a source for the definition of 2 words, then you're just blowing smoke.
http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/100214/what-difference-between-communism-and-socialism.asp
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You're still jacking it !!!?
:rofl: ( get the double entendre, but clearly appropriate use of the phrase. )
In your words that is rude, disrespectful to the entire forum, poor behavior, and you sir are clearly a hypocrite.
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You're still jacking it !!!?
:rofl: ( get the double entendre, but clearly appropriate use of the phrase. )
In your words that is rude, disrespectful to the entire forum, poor behavior, and you sir are clearly a hypocrite.
I was wondering if you could get any more immature than you already have ....
thanks for answering that! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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