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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Q on September 12, 2015, 02:19:59 AM
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Nonetheless, my neighbors were happy that I was keeping an eye out and do so every night. One proclaimed that he noticed I didn't sleep most nights. I responded that it was impossible for me to sleep. When he asked why, I said because justice never sleeps.
Glad we could turn a potentially bad situation into a laugh by the time it was over.
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sorry to hear about this incident, but yeah, if you would've gone out armed with a firearm, you would be the one arrested
but i must say that you missed the most obvious response to your neighbor's comment about you not sleeping
which is:
"I'm Batman"
8)
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Key word here: "Batman".
This is the kind of situation where a baseball bat is your friend.
Tip: For quicker LE response, and more energetic pursuit of offender, state to 911 that "It looks like he/she { don't want to be sexist } has a gun".
Or just tell them "He left in a car with an expired safety check". This will guarantee the maximum number of responding officers.
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Key word here: "Batman".
Or just tell them "He left in a car with an expired safety check". This will guarantee the maximum number of responding officers.
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:thumbsup: :rofl:
Good one
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Just last weekend, one of our housing units had its front door wide open.......
called 911 and drew my gun from the holster. I informed the 911 operator I was armed and outside.
When the cops showed up WITHOUT sirens and lights. They were more concerned about disarming me than attempt to go in the house.
I surrendered my gun, after the house was cleared, it took well over 40 min to get back my gun , (running all the CCW and stolen firearm checks.) It was because my gun was not stolen and didn't have it in their drop down menu.
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Always good to be prepared!
U need a sign... This is Sparta!
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Your original quote isn't showing up for me, and if I click on your quote line to get to the original post, I get an error page... Sounds like an interesting story, but the suspense is killing me! :shake:
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Quite honestly, HPD would argue that if you had a firearm you would have shot him and fortunately since we have strict carry laws you're both still alive!
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Totally understand that this is a "tongue in cheek" statement, brother Edster.
For those who did not catch Edster's humor, please know that engaging in such conduct might open yourself to criminal prosecution, under Hawaii's Penal Code (et al, HRS 710-1015).
Let's stay safe out there, brothers and sisters. :shaka:
YAH!! Because nobody here would do anything illegal! :D
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FOLLOW UP (and more proof that HPD in my area are a bunch of fucking lazy asses):
Went to the market and see the same guy in the same attire in front of the store. Call 911, ask for non-emergency, and let them know that I identified the individual that was involved in a possible attempted break in, and that the officer the night before told me to call in as he had a warrant. They informed me that an officer was enroute.
I parked in front of the market and waited for the police to arrive. Approximately 10min after I made the call, I saw a patrol car drive by the market on the highway without even slowing down. After 20 minutes, I call non-emergency services again and let them know that no officer has responded and that I had called in 20 min prior, and that a patrol car had just driven past the market without slowing down or stopping to identify the individual. Dispatch then informed me that the officer responding said there was no warrant out for his arrest.
(WTF? How could the officer responding know who I was talking about when there was no exact name given and he didn't even respond to the scene like he was supposed to?)
He then asked me if I wanted to meet up with the officer so he could explain the situation. I again inform dispatch that the individual was involved in an attempted break in the previous night, that I was the one who identified him and that the officer responding to the call was the one who told me and my neighbors to call it in, and that if he was going to show up on scene this time he better make it quick, because I was waiting for him for 20 minutes. The dispatch again said that the OFFICER (not the computer) told him that there was no warrant, that the OFFICER saw the individual and identified him (yeah, identified him while he was driving 30-35mph on the highway with vehicles in the parking lot obstructing his view of the individual). He asked me if I wanted to meet up with the officer because he wasn't sure what they would apprehend him for.
(UM....how about me witnessing him attempting to break into my neighbors home, and having multiple confirmed reports of this guy trespassing on multiple neighbors properties?)
I tell him there is no point if they aren't going to apprehend him, as I didn't witness him committing any crimes this night.
WTF is wrong with the police department here? I understand that paperwork sucks; especially with dumb calls. Trust me, I've been there. But when serious stuff like this happens, you don't take it lightly and you do your job. That's 2 nights in a row that officers in our area were treating this like it was nothing.
I guess my friend was right: HPD would have been a cruise ass job if this is the standard.
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It is an agenda to receive a higher budget.
Crime stats go up we need more patrols.
More money. Less service. Bad attitudes.
$575,000.00 thrown away for democrat political correctness.
That should have had the mayor and chief fired for malfeasance.
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FOLLOW UP (and more proof that HPD in my area are a bunch of fucking lazy asses.
WTF is wrong with the police department here? I understand that paperwork sucks; especially with dumb calls. Trust me, I've been there. But when serious stuff like this happens, you don't take it lightly and you do your job. That's 2 nights in a row that officers in our area were treating this like it was nothing.
I guess my friend was right: HPD would have been a cruise ass job if this is the standard.
It is an agenda to receive a higher budget.
Crime stats go up we need more patrols.
More money. Less service. Bad attitudes.
$575,000.00 thrown away for democrat political correctness.
That should have had the mayor and chief fired for malfeasance.
Let's not forget the role of the Prosecutors office in this. Unless the suspect is caught red handed they don't really have a case, so the line of reasoning is: Why waste the time?
Even if they ARE caught, what's the realistic outcome? 3-6 months in our revolving door system? 3 hot's and a cot, then back out to do the same thing.
I can understand, to an extent, the frustration LEO's must feel and how it leads to a "fuck it, why bother" kind of attitude.
In my previous post I jokingly referred to what it takes to get an effective response. What makes it amusing is that there is an unfortunate grain of truth to it. Officers aren't rewarded for making arrests like this. The only thing they get are administrative headaches and the scorn of the PA's office for handing them a case they can't, or won't, prosecute. Traffic stops however generate revenue, resulting in a "good" mark on their record, even if they just show up to "assist". Hence 5-7 officers show up for an expired registration sticker. I think you can see the trend here.
Mamalukino makes another excellent point. Money.
Any bureaucracy is about "expanding the budget", and therefore their power within government. But have you noticed that the expenditure of more money never seems to reach your neighborhood? When I first came here almost 40 years ago, it was common to see HPD cruising residential areas looking for precisely the type of activity Q witnessed. I can't even remember the last time I saw a squad car on my street for anything other than a call by a citizen. They've gone from being proactive to reactive, and we suffer for it. I don't believe this is the fault of the officer on the street, it can only be because of department policy, which is driven by politics.
Here's another example: the department is sitting on 14 million in cash reserves from seized assets, yet they are crying poor mouth to the legislature and asking for money to replace aging patrol cars. Why?
Q is right. HPD is worthless, but it's a top down issue, starting with our { cough } political leadership and the attendant bureaucracy steering departmental policy, leaving LEO's with little incentive to do the "right" thing.
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standard procedure. police aren't your personal security force. cops did nothing wrong. nothing to see here. move along folks.
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It's not just HPD. It's police in every major city.
In Oklahoma City, we had a car break-in with a broken window, broken dash, and missing stereo.
Cops took 4 hours to show up. Apparently Memorial Day weekend saw a rash of break-ins ... owners on vacation, so crooks help themselves.
There were a couple of hand tools on the car seat that we'd never seen, so must have been left by the thief. The Cop picked them up in his bare hands, asked again, "Are you sure these aren't yours?", then said, "I doubt we can get any prints from these."
Seriously? After you already handled the "evidence", I bet there aren't any useable prints now!! :wtf: I imagine those tools are still in the officer's toolbox at his home!
We filed an insurance claim, but with 4 years of depreciation and deductible, we got $150 back for an $800 item. The replacement cost for that same class stereo would have been $450 at least.
Yeah, unless the property is seized in a drug raid or during an apprehension at another crime scene, the Cops will never recover your property. They are not going to actively investigate property crimes less than $10K-$20k. To them, it's not worth it, since the crooks rarely get punished.
Here in Hawaii, I've always heard property crimes are for the most part ignored because of the drug and employment problems. Punishment won't stop it as long as the underlying need is present. To the Cops, it's just "stuff", and stuff can be replaced. They don't really care that it was YOUR stuff!
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In the 808, the suspects seem to have more rights than the victims. It seems that they prefer you to be a victim first and not be proactive to prevent a crime, then they will start the process to charge the individual. When I was a juror on 3 criminal trials, the instructions seemed like it was skewed against the prosecution. That experience along with Bill Clinton saying " it depends what is, is" has changed my thinking to disregard the old saying " if you're not sure don't do it". As I've grown older I know that is shibai only to control the population.
My own rule is that I'll carry a holstered firearm (pistol) on my property but not pass the property line, unless it's a situation like the guy beating his girlfriend to death on the street with the shotgun or similar. I have the pistol's permit in a neck pouch if I carry outside my house on my land.
I believe you are correct that with the crackdown in Kakaako, Waikiki and other commercial areas, the homeless will spread out to adjoining residential areas. The whole world is being turned upside down in these times. Look how long it took to lockup the crazy Yama Fazarri guy that had threatened people more than once.
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I really wish they would do away with the current county system and let each district run itself independently, to include letting us have our own police force / sheriff.
99% of the problems would disappear because the community would be policing itself, and at a fraction of the cost.
It's up to the people. To me people from Aiea to Waialua to Waianae should request forming their own county with Kapolei as county seat. Honolulu County is too big. IIRC, Windward side tried to do this during the Fasi years.
Who says we can't have 2 counties on 1 island. If this is proposed, watch all the politicians jump.
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On 11 September 2015 at approximately 2345 hrs...
Q, thanks for re-posting "the rest of the story." Personally, I'm conflicted about HPD. I'm as pro-law enforcement as the next guy, and probably more than most, but I tend to see a sense of entitlement (or maybe "elitism" is a better word) in general observations of HPD. Officers (especially motorcycle guys) routinely driving in ways that would get any other citizen a ticket, if not arrested. Some of the regulars in the firearms division are always respectful and professional, but others act like they're doing me a favor to process my paperwork and grant me "permission" to exercise my rights. A lot of what APPEARS to be general laziness.
It could be that the great majority of HPD officers are fine, upstanding public servants out there busting their butts on our behalf every day, and I'd like to believe that. General appearances, and stories like yours, tend to indicate that isn't true... and even if it IS true, at the very least HPD has a serious public perception problem that they need to address.
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Nicely written, Sodie.
I am also more pro-LEO than most. I think that LEO jobs are tougher than most jobs and appreciate the work that our police do.
I am not sure what the numbers are recently but I think that because of the shortage of LEOs in general, HPD has to take what it can take. If there were more applicants for officers than openings, we would have better quality of officers as HPD would be able to choose from more applicants.
If we don't hold LEOs to a higher standard (or any other public servants for that matter), then we get what we get. My encounter with HPD when I had experienced multiple burglaries in my home pretty much mirrors Qs experience.... The HPD officers came to do a report and nothing more was done. Twice.
Thanks for sharing your documentation Q. It helps me know better what I would need to do if I find myself in a similar situation.
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A few years ago, my neighbors started a crime watch program. What we learned then was, only 2 cars regularly patrolled the Mililani area, and 2 patrolled the North Shore. These two areas were backup for each other, so 4 units covering the two areas.
Think about it: 4 units in an area the distance between Mililani and North Shore! That's stretching your manpower pretty thin.
I read later there was another unit assigned to each area, making 6 total. With recent cutbacks, it wouldn't surprise me if that's no longer the case.
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The Code 25 mentality that seems to be the thing now is disturbing. The stickers, license plate frames and clothing are prevalent amongst officers. There is a defiant air of I am the law so I am above it.
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whats code 25 mean?
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whats code 25 mean?
Drunk according to what I found searching the interweb.
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Nicely written, Sodie.
I am also more pro-LEO than most. I think that LEO jobs are tougher than most jobs and appreciate the work that our police do.
I am not sure what the numbers are recently but I think that because of the shortage of LEOs in general, HPD has to take what it can take. If there were more applicants for officers than openings, we would have better quality of officers as HPD would be able to choose from more applicants.
If we don't hold LEOs to a higher standard (or any other public servants for that matter), then we get what we get. My encounter with HPD when I had experienced multiple burglaries in my home pretty much mirrors Qs experience.... The HPD officers came to do a report and nothing more was done. Twice.
Thanks for sharing your documentation Q. It helps me know better what I would need to do if I find myself in a similar situation.
They would have more applicants if they accepted more people that didn't shoe horn into a rigidly maintained "criteria" that focuses on being part of the "team" and going with the flow....Many applicants are "weeded out" after the psych exam (the MMPI) after demonstrating individualistic personalities. And, not to say that HPD does this, but the courts have sided with other police agencies when folks with higher education and/or higher IQs were rejected on those criteria.
https://reason.com/blog/2013/05/01/court-oks-barring-smart-people-from-beco
You may be of the opinion that any police officer needs to be "team oriented" which is fine. But it also tends to foster that "thin blue line" mentality where otherwise good cops tend to shield the bad cops out of a misplaced sense of duty or obligation.
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If you want to get back at HPD...... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(http://i.imgur.com/ziEP7zd.jpg)
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If you want to get back at HPD...... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(http://i.imgur.com/ziEP7zd.jpg)
LOL. For effect throw in rotting meat. Might get a lot of unwanted guests dressed in OD.