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General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: suka on September 19, 2015, 05:57:10 AM
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Why does driving at the posted speed limit PISS so many people off? If it posted at 70, Im getting passed by everyone. I assume they are driving at least 90MPH. Even a large semi will ease it way past my car (going downhill) of course. School zones are 15 and other rural roads (not freeway) 25, 35, and 55; these speeds I strictly keep. When it comes to STOP signs, I make a complete stop (look then go), not a rolling stop as everyone else does. other examples are work zones and freeway off ramps which are 25.
I've been honked and flicked off for driving safely and within the LAW. Cops have pulled my over for driving at the posted speed limit for driving too slowly... :wtf: ( "because I was driving at the speed limit, you look very suspicious").
Even worse is that family members gets literally irritated at the speed I drive at. They have gotten so mad, as to tell me to pullover and let them drive and said that I am "crazy in the head" about driving at all posted speed signs.
I need to maintain a clean abstract for my career and future employments. Airline pilots require a clean record. Yeap Airplanes also have speed limits.
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I have to admit I am guilty of this same behavior. I drive the speed limit and do so for similar reasons to you. There is nothing wrong with driving the speed limit. I find I don't get to where I am going much quicker by speeding and lane changing.
With that said, an old tenant of mine on the Big Island was traveling the road towards Kona from Southpoint and had a guy behind him who was tired of going the speed limit and rear ended him. They did a number on the rear end of his Jeep and drove away never to be caught. Not sure if it was done purposely or if they just got too close due to frustration.
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Cops have pulled my over for driving at the posted speed limit for driving too slowly... :wtf: ( "because I was driving at the speed limit, you look very suspicious").
Reminds me of an old Cheech & Chong skit from one of their albums:
Cheech: "We drive 5 miles an hour, that way we don't attract attention"
Taxi and commercial drivers holding rigidly to the limit do not piss me off, I understand their job is at risk.
I prefer to drive in my comfort zone, but do not get worked up if not able to get up to that. Switching from a hot WRX with a 5spd trans to a truck with an auto helped enormously in making a more sedate pace tolerable. No more, hurry up so I can get into 4th or 5th and stop having to shift.
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I try to drive the speed limit the last week of each month and before/after a holiday. That's when the speed enforcement cops seem to be out -- for safety, of course (they tell us they don't have quotas).
Most often, I try to at least keep up with traffic. If they are going 10 over, I'm with them. Impeding the flow of traffic is dangerous. As you said, people get irate. That can be bad.
Ever notice when someone in front of you is going "too slow", they need to speed up or get out of "your" lane? When someone behind you wants YOU to go faster, they need to slow down or go around you! :rofl:
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Ever notice when someone in front of you is going "too slow", they need to speed up or get out of "your" lane? When someone behind you wants YOU to go faster, they need to slow down or go around you! :rofl:
Had some ditz in front of me the other day that barely crept away from the light, holding everyone up. Finally got around her to look back after I got up to the 45 limit and she was a good 1/2 mile back with everyone stacked up behind her.
That is what pisses people off, it is just unnatural to drive that slow. Had to be texting and oblivious to the congestion they were causing.
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If you want to drive at the legal limit that's fine. Just stay to the right.
If you're on a 2 lane highway, most jurisdictions require that if you have 7 or more cars backed up behind you, you must pull over to allow them to pass.
Check your local laws.
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With that said, an old tenant of mine on the Big Island was traveling the road towards Kona from Southpoint and had a guy behind him who was tired of going the speed limit and rear ended him.
A lot of that road is tricky. Very twisty with blind turns and those not familiar do not speed. Locals that drive it every day know the turns and scream through. Mamalhoa Hwy above me same way, tight and twisty, slow for everyone but locals that know it.
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If you are driving in the RIGHT lane, this shouldn't be a problem. However, if you are driving in the left lane, you might be in the wrong.
In most states, the left lane is primarily a passing lane even there is no traffic.
People here must not ever learn that rule. I've driven behind someone for a century waiting for a way around them, and they just keep going, 5 miles under the limit in the left lane!
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Most of the speed school zone speed limits here are 25, maybe 15 in some areas. It is a good idea to pay close attention to the speed limits in school zones and construction zones as the fine for those starts at about $300.
I get what you mean though about people complaining when others actually drive the limit.
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Last time I was in Neveda, the limit was 80, :o
by god, i swear . the the flow of traffic was near 100 for most cars.
I felt my car was going to fall apart. I was defiantly not comfortable driving 100mph in a econo rental car.
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If you are driving in the RIGHT lane, this shouldn't be a problem. However, if you are driving in the left lane, you might be in the wrong.
In most states, the left lane is primarily a passing lane even there is no traffic.
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I don't recall anything in the Hawaii driver's manual about the left lane being a passing lane.
Anybody got a new manual with that left lane law?
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awaii Revised Statutes, 291C-41: "Drive on right side of roadway; exceptions. (a) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows: (1) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement."
That rule is for general direction of roads, it means we drive on the right side of a road unlike Japan or GB where they drive on the LEFT HALF of the road.
Oldfart was referring to inner and outer lanes of the same direction.
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I felt my car was going to fall apart. I was defiantly not comfortable driving 100mph in a econo rental car.
Yes, there is a wild disparity is the capability of cars on the road, the tires they have, and most critically, the reflexes and eyesight of the drivers.
It is actually hilarious that most of the fastest cars these days are driven by men, that by the time they can afford to buy that toy, should be taking the bus.
Check out the average age of new Corvette or Porsche drivers. Luckily, most drive like they are in a Priaps, so no worries.
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Drivers here have a tough time understanding what to do when they see a big truck with lights and sirens right behind them. :shake:
Convincing them the left lane should only be used for passing slower vehicles is going to be on the verge of impossible! ???
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Suka there is a design principle in Traffic/Transportation Engineering that is called the 85th Percentile.
Basically it means that if 85% of the people deem that a certain mph is reasonable, it probably it is. Believe it or not it's pretty accurate for daylight conditions. It doesn't hold up so well when you get into rain, fog, snow, etc. If you're in the 15%, drive faster.
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The problem is that the traffic driving laws in Hawaii are poorly developed, and the posted speed limits are too low. I think oldfart is correct, there is nothing in the Hawaii driver's manual or statutes that designates the left lane as a passing lane, or requires that drivers follow that rule. But it's good advice and may be required in other states. I've taken both the Hawaii and California driver's license tests, and the questions are completely different in focus.
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Suka there is a design principle in Traffic/Transportation Engineering that is called the 85th Percentile.
Basically it means that if 85% of the people deem that a certain mph is reasonable, it probably it is. Believe it or not it's pretty accurate for daylight conditions. It doesn't hold up so well when you get into rain, fog, snow, etc. If you're in the 15%, drive faster.
Only comfortable speed I drive at within reason and legal is 65mph on a MAJOR freeway. some of these single lane back roads posted speed is 55mph. :shake:
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One of my favorite bumper stickers:
Slow down, this ain't the Mainland.
Drive through Waimanalo or the West Side and people completely stop with no traffic ahead to let their neighbor or friend pull out for a left turn.
People still let you in when you turn on your blinker.
I think it's unique and cool.
Mainland different story though.
I had to teach my brother-in-law about the passing lane concept.
People get pissed. And a lot of people in Hawaii have no concept of this.
Basically I doo-be-doo-be-do in the right side lanes unless tutu or grandpa is in front of me.
People Driving 35 on the open no-traffic freeway still drives me nuts.
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My friend came back from California after going to college and thought Hawaii driver's were terrible. Are they just more impatient there or do they as a culture not know how to handle frustration because it seems like they have more road rage incidents. Probably not that accurate but at least Honolulu isn't in theta 25!
http://www.infoplease.com/world/transportation/us-cities-worst-road-rage.html
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My friend came back from California after going to college and thought Hawaii driver's were terrible.
After moving here and driving here on and off for 20+ years, the only thing I ever noticed about local drivers was a certain lethargic nature. Mostly, far more courteous and likely to open a space in traffic to let you move over or merge.
California, where I spent far too many decades, it was always "f*ck you, me first!" You learned not to let too much space open in front of you on the freeway, lest half a dozen cars wedge into the space. Even had a CHP officer admit in traffic school that the old rule about speed and safe spacing meant you would be going backwards before long the way everyone jumped into a gap.
It could be hilarious, if you were dumb enough to put your turn indicator on for a lane change, to watch the turkey in the next lane speed up to close to gap and block you out. In Hawaii, they slow down to make it clear you are safe to move over.
You learned about BMW and MB drivers early on there. Here, they are just other drivers, not entitled @ssholes. Again, sluggish, maybe, bad manners, no. And I did spend four years commuting in Honolulu, hating every minute of it, so I know the worst of it.
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What irritates me is when people drive the same speed in every lane, or change lanes but don't pass the car in front of them and drive the same speed as them, making even more traffic. If they want to drive the same speed then stay behind them. It just slows the flow of traffic, and then drivers cut across 2/3/4 lanes to go around the slow cars.
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After moving here and driving here on and off for 20+ years, the only thing I ever noticed about local drivers was a certain lethargic nature. Mostly, far more courteous and likely to open a space in traffic to let you move over or merge.
California, where I spent far too many decades, it was always "f*ck you, me first!" You learned not to let too much space open in front of you on the freeway, lest half a dozen cars wedge into the space. Even had a CHP officer admit in traffic school that the old rule about speed and safe spacing meant you would be going backwards before long the way everyone jumped into a gap.
It could be hilarious, if you were dumb enough to put your turn indicator on for a lane change, to watch the turkey in the next lane speed up to close to gap and block you out. In Hawaii, they slow down to make it clear you are safe to move over.
You learned about BMW and MB drivers early on there. Here, they are just other drivers, not entitled @ssholes. Again, sluggish, maybe, bad manners, no. And I did spend four years commuting in Honolulu, hating every minute of it, so I know the worst of it.
You nailed it to a tee. I lived in SoCal for 50 years. And 8 years here. I am currently making the grind from Kapolei to Ala Moana every day. In SoCal I was one of those entitled assholes. Now I drive with Aloha. I let in any one and every one who uses their signals ahead of me. If I'm late for work I don't care. When I get to work/home after the grind I find I am less stressed.
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When moving slower than other traffic you should drive in the extreme right lane.
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CHOOSING A PROPER TRAFFIC LANE
Two Lanes in the Direction of Travel. In open area when traffic is free-flowing, use the right lane; use the left lane for passing or when vehicles are entering from the right. In heavy traffic or in congested areas use either lane but keep up with traffic.
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Three or More Lanes in the Direction of Travel. Choose the center lanes as there will be less traffic conflicts. Leave the right and left lanes available for vehicles entering and leaving the roadway. Maintain a steady speed with the flow of traffic and keep lane changes to a minimum. Use the right lane if you are moving slower than other traffic.
(Emphasis added.)
In some states, it's the law and you can get ticketed for cruising in the left lane. I think it would solve SOME of our traffic problems (and alleviate A LOT of my frustration) if people followed those suggestions.
Also note the "maintain a steady speed" wording. I use my cruise control at pretty much every opportunity, and without fail I see drivers that can't pick a speed and stick with it... speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down... oh, a hill? Slow WAY down (doesn't matter if it's uphill or downhill; folks around here slow down either way).
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I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.
This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.
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I don't think using a set engine RPM going up and down hills is the way to go, either for maintaining constant speed or for fuel efficiency. When you go up the hill you should be gunning it, as it's not efficient to linger and struggle in conditions which are not optimal. It's like riding a bicycle, when you go up hills you use a lower gear, right? Cars use gears too, and so other drivers might sound like they are revving their engine cycles but they are probably in a lower gear than you, and thus not eating as much fuel as it sounds, either. If you end up arriving at the destination at the same time, that suggests the other drivers let off their engine and cruise downhill. Just my thoughts; I'm far from being a good driver.
My friend came back from California after going to college and thought Hawaii driver's were terrible. Are they just more impatient there or do they as a culture not know how to handle frustration because it seems like they have more road rage incidents. Probably not that accurate but at least Honolulu isn't in theta 25!
http://www.infoplease.com/world/transportation/us-cities-worst-road-rage.html
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=16382.0
I've experienced roughly as much road rage in Hawaii as in California. As others said, Hawaii drivers merely have a lethargic nature while those in California have a fast and selfish nature. Different styles of unwritten rules of driver courtesy. But there are roughly as many people who ignore the rules in both states, in my opinion.
Your list never surveyed Hawaii. It's not that they didn't make the top 25 worst. It says they only surveyed 25 cities, which spanned from the worst to the best.
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I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.
This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.
Not entirely true. The GROUNDSPEED will vary greatly depending on winds, but not your airspeed. In general, at a constant altitude if you set the power and leave it, you'll slowly (very slowly) accelerate as the airplane gets lighter (burning fuel) and therefore has to produce less lift. Alternatively, if you don't need to maintain a constant altitude, setting the power and leaving it will result in a slow climb, which is how you get maximum efficiency out of a jet.
And, yes... If you're going 25 on the H-201, PLEASE stay in the right lane. :D :shaka:
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Not entirely true. The GROUNDSPEED will vary greatly depending on winds, but not your airspeed. In general, at a constant altitude if you set the power and leave it, you'll slowly (very slowly) accelerate as the airplane gets lighter (burning fuel) and therefore has to produce less lift. Alternatively, if you don't need to maintain a constant altitude, setting the power and leaving it will result in a slow climb, which is how you get maximum efficiency out of a jet.
And, yes... If you're going 25 on the H-201, PLEASE stay in the right lane. :D :shaka:
I bought a 6-cylinder so I CAN accelerate up Red Hill (and any other hill)! Fuel efficiency is all fine when shopping, but driving is an individual behavior.
Your vehicle might be at optimal RPMs going up a hill at 25, but what if my vehicle is optimal at 35 ... AND YOU'RE IN FRONT OF ME!?? :shake:
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I bought a 6-cylinder so I CAN accelerate up Red Hill (and any other hill)! Fuel efficiency is all fine when shopping, but driving is an individual behavior.
Your vehicle might be at optimal RPMs going up a hill at 25, but what if my vehicle is optimal at 35 ... AND YOU'RE IN FRONT OF ME!?? :shake:
You can actually be cited for driving under the speed limit as well, especially if it is creating traffic problems.
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I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.
This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.
If you're going 25mph on the freeway, get off the freeway and take surface streets.
You have become an impediment to other drivers and are creating an unsafe situation for those behind you.
You are not flying an airplane.
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I thought 35 on the freeway was bad......25 ?
Damn Suka, Tutu's passing you. :D
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If a semi truck can maintain 25 going up Red Hill then I don't see anything wrong driving behind him going up.
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I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.
This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.
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Just drove over red hill a few minutes ago.
55mph at 2000 rpm.
25mph????
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These don't go very fast at all when they were new , but i do stay in the far right lane.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/amJ59Ev1Qcc/0.jpg)
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Only comfortable speed I drive at within reason and legal is 65mph on a MAJOR freeway. some of these single lane back roads posted speed is 55mph. :shake:
Get a better car....................nah j/k ;)