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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lockin on November 13, 2015, 01:30:40 PM
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-attacks-at-sixty-dead-6828696
Heavy.
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nObama will send 3 commandos to help.
but seriously, France needs help.
and Europe.
and the world.
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Death toll is rising and hostages being taken as more attacks and bombings occur. Citizenry of these countries near completely disarmed, just a thought.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/the-latest-at-least-100-killed-inside-paris-concert-hall/ar-BBmYFit?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=iehp
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It's illegal to have fully automatic weapons in France, and other firearms requires a license.
clearly this could never happen in Paris.
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It's illegal to have fully automatic weapons in France, and other firearms requires a license.
clearly this could never happen in Paris.
(http://i.imgur.com/d899XhT.png)
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I understand Obama is getting hourly updates on the current Climate Change threat in Paris ...
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This is obviously a prank.
Strict gun control exists in France, and islam is a religion of peace.
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This is obviously a prank.
Strict gun control exists in France, and islam is a religion of peace.
i haven't watch punyho boy's speech yet, but i'm guessing "we don't know the motive and we can't jump to conclusions"
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I think I can hear the French munitions falling on Raqqah already.(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/14/5cf59171efd0a82f0ef93b27e89fcbd6.jpg)
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When the govt. can't protect its citizens, then its time to arm its citizens. It is the logical thing to do.
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Released today ...
(http://i.imgur.com/BNxi0HG.png)
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/13/obama-isis-is-not-getting-stronger-we-have-contained-them/
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:shake:
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(http://i.imgur.com/9HZ0jtA.png)
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/11/fbi-has-nearly-1000-active-isis-probes-inside-u-s/
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Released today ...
(http://i.imgur.com/BNxi0HG.png)
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/13/obama-isis-is-not-getting-stronger-we-have-contained-them/
these are not the islamic terrorists you are looking for.
move along...
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These shits have declared war on the entire world. Its time to respond and finish it.
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(http://i.imgur.com/6qXBNZL.png)
Some of you may not understand why we need to kill their pet goat. It is because we don't want the radical muslims to procreate. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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(http://i.imgur.com/d899XhT.png)
This says it all. We are entering a heightened dangerous time with this attack, not only from muslim murderers but for our individual freedoms. Martial law in France now?
As we go to 2016 there will be more incidents so my thinking is to get what I need before next summer.
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Been tracking this on the news since this morning. So far not all the gunmen have been captured?
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These shits have declared war on the entire world. Its time to respond and finish it.
I agree.
Can anyone think of something worthwhile that comes out of the ME besides oil?
Me either.
These worthless pricks have been fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years. Now they're exporting this crap.
Time to cut this off at the source.
I say we stand off and nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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I agree.
Can anyone think of something worthwhile that comes out of the ME besides oil?
Me either.
These worthless pricks have been fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years. Now they're exporting this crap.
Time to cut this off at the source.
I say we stand off and nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
comedian's rant against the attackers gets his account removed from FB:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/paris-attacks-jason-manford-removed-from-facebook-after-expletive-filled-post-condemning-murdering-a6734431.html
here's the post:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207525832042040&set=a.1154900870815.25658.1176481807&type=3
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France has some of the best anti-terrorism units. They have a militarized force that also is trained in terrorist response. Yet look at the carnage these cowardly isis assholes are capable of in such a short period of time. Anyone who believes it can't happen here is ignorant. :o
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comedian's rant against the attackers gets his account removed from FB:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/paris-attacks-jason-manford-removed-from-facebook-after-expletive-filled-post-condemning-murdering-a6734431.html
here's the post:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207525832042040&set=a.1154900870815.25658.1176481807&type=3
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It's tempting to condemn Facebook as being too politically correct by suspending his FB account.
According to the article, they reinstated his account without the offensive post. I'm sure FB has a profanity policy.
Then there are those who would condemn FB and boycott FB to remove jihadi -tyoe accounts.
Why? No need to remove them. They're just leaving digital fingerprints all over the world.
Makes them easier to track.
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Gee, I wonder what the news network Al Jazeera is saying about this attack?
Oh, wait, let me turn to channel 170 or 1170 HD on my Hawaiian Telcom box. :wtf:
Catering to the muslims who live here?
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comedian's rant against the attackers gets his account removed from FB:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/paris-attacks-jason-manford-removed-from-facebook-after-expletive-filled-post-condemning-murdering-a6734431.html
here's the post:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207525832042040&set=a.1154900870815.25658.1176481807&type=3
I completely agree with his post and find it absurd and disgusting that FB would pull his account because he expressed his opinion.
So your point is what? That I'm "Islamophobic? That I should censor myself because some puling jackass may find my opinions "offensive"?
Well hold on to your panties sweetheart, cause it only gets worse from here.
I never have been nor will I ever be "PC". I will not submit in order to spare some whining pukes "feelings".
I have watched this shit develop, literally, since the beginning. I was watching the '72 Olympics when terrorists killed the Israeli team. I Will Never Forget.
The fact that we have not crushed these goat fuckers like we did the Nazi's and the Japanese is what has led to the current debacle.
If you disagree with me, fine. You are entitled to your opinion. I would only suggest that you read some history. Islam and the ME has been filled with nothing but violence and strife for thousands of years. To think it will change now is insanity.
If stating this, or any other opinion, gets me kicked off of this site or any other, I will give exactly ZERO fucks. It will only show me that I was in the wrong place to begin with, and I'll simply find a place with respect for the 1st Amendment.
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France has some of the best anti-terrorism units. They have a militarized force that also is trained in terrorist response. Yet look at the carnage these cowardly isis assholes are capable of in such a short period of time. Anyone who believes it can't happen here is ignorant. :o
I can speak to this and second all above.
I went to Paris just before Christmas 2012 for a 4 days and had a great time. A friend and I were out all day from the early morning until the nighttime. We went all over the city on foot and using the metro, not once did I feel unsafe or threatened. I guess a lot can happen in a few years. There was a decent uniformed police presence and there also were squad and team sized Gendarmerie patrols here and there about the city.
I laugh at the lack of security here on Oahu often both at some military installations and out in the civilian/tourist areas. There are too many soft targets that shouldn't be.
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http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/22/inside-frances-sharia-no-go-zones/
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(http://i.imgur.com/q4GDUA9.jpg)
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https://youtu.be/c2iBZkODgxA
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http://www.kitv.com/story/30518245/hawaii-personality-lanai-tabura-leaves-paris-hours-before-attacks
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/4612577801001/isis-claims-paris-attacks-revenge-for-airstrikes-in-syria/?#sp=show-clips
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I just hope the people of this country get their collective heads out of their asses, before it is metered out here. Would it be more or less successful? The coordination of these attacks could be a simulation/feeling out of a larger scale escalation on other euro countries, maybe the US.
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What is the answer to stopping it ?
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What is the answer to stopping it ?
IMO and it is just that.
#1 Get armed
#2 when they come in shooting shoot back
Not much else an individual citizen can do at this point with our current " ??? leadership ??? "
Hawaii is a soft target. If something happens here I would NOT be surprised. Law abiding citizens are sitting ducks just like Parisians. I put the blame squarely on our
" ??? leadership ??? "
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Imagine if it did happen here with our current state of laws and we decided to arm ourselves.
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Imagine if it did happen here with our current state of laws and we decided to arm ourselves.
In the eyes of our "??? leaders ???" we are more of a threat than these terrorists.
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What is the answer to stopping it ?
There is no answer to completely stopping it. But there are things we can do to help prevent most from happening.
1. The government is already tapping our conversations and watching/arresting those who show up on the radar and commit certain types of crimes.
2. We have to make every square inch of this country an uninviting place for terrorists. Things like taking control of our borders. Keeping track of those who come here on visas. Arrest and/or kick out those with expired visas. We need to get our sovereignty back.
3. Arrest those who are here illegally and deport them. Create a law if they are caught a second time here illegally we cut off their nuts/put them to death/something and anything to make it so they never want to get caught.
4. We have to enforce the laws we already have on the books to the fullest extent. Or create new laws that overtly punish those who come here illegally. And create and/or uphold the laws we have to the fullest extent that is you are caught doing/or with certain terroristic things we will uphold the laws to the fullest extent.
5. Bring back the death penalty. You kill us we kill you. Period.
6. Get rid of all the Liberal judges in our court system and bring in judges who uphold our laws and don't have a bleeding heart.
7. Get rid of gun free zones.
8. In possession of an illegal firearm? Or illegally possessing a firearm? Or both? Punishment to the fullest extent of the law. Automatic. No court necessary like the "three time offender" rule or the "Use a gun, go to jail" rule.
9. Arm the people. Let us law abiding citizens protect ourselves.
10. Force Hollywood to start make propaganda films showing radical muslims cutting off innocents heads, raping women, keeping women as slaves, etc. Something, anything to at least show the citizenry what these radicals are capable of. But not just once every year or two or ten. These need to run constantly on the TV and radio and YouTube and Facebook to remind us of 9/11, Paris, Benghazi, 1972 Olympics, etc. People need to stay vigilant.
This is just my short list. I am sure everyone here can add an item or two. We cannot stop this from happening completely. But if we make it distasteful for them to try anything here then we accomplish our realistic goals and prevent as much as we can from happening. The biggest thing is we cannot rely on just government to take care of us. We need to take an active part to protect ourselves and our families. The people need to be a part of the solution. We all need to do our part. Kennedy's speech "Ask not what your country can for you. Ask what can you do for your country" comes to mind here.
To me, the biggest reason it happens mostly in Europe and the middle east is because all of these countries are not sovereign. Their borders are porous. Hence the one Paris terrorist that was caught came into the Eurozone through Greece. Can you imagine if Israel didn't have as much control over their borders as they do, how often they would have this happen to them?
Sorry for the long rant. :shaka:
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2 minute video about what happened in Paris
http://youtu.be/ETNiNh0paGo
Noted that narrator mistakenly says Oct 13 (while the graphic shows Nov 13) at the start of the video.
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*snip*
1. The government is already tapping our conversations and watching/arresting those who show up on the radar and commit certain types of crimes.
I don't believe that to be true, unless you're conversing with "non-U.S. persons" in whom they've taken an interest. Call me naive if you want, but I believe that our intelligence personnel take pretty seriously the legal restrictions on collecting on U.S. persons.
As to how do we fix it, well... we can't. Not permanently. We've "defeated" evil several times throughout history, and it keeps rearing it's ugly head under a new flag. What we can do is try to fix this problem by figuring out what is motivating the violence and fixing that; delivering intense violence on our terms to degrade their ability to plan and coordinate attacks will give us the room to figure out the "hearts and minds" piece... and hearts and minds are the key, either through changing their hearts and minds, or through "two to the heart, one to the mind."
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I don't believe that to be true, unless you're conversing with "non-U.S. persons" in whom they've taken an interest. Call me naive if you want, but I believe that our intelligence personnel take pretty seriously the legal restrictions on collecting on U.S. persons.
As to how do we fix it, well... we can't. Not permanently. We've "defeated" evil several times throughout history, and it keeps rearing it's ugly head under a new flag. What we can do is try to fix this problem by figuring out what is motivating the violence and fixing that; delivering intense violence on our terms to degrade their ability to plan and coordinate attacks will give us the room to figure out the "hearts and minds" piece... and hearts and minds are the key, either through changing their hearts and minds, or through "two to the heart, one to the mind."
Well, naive is probably accurate, but most are at least uninformed...
It was revealed that the NSA was harvesting millions of email and instant messaging contact lists,[132] searching email content,[133] tracking
and mapping the location of cell phones,[134] undermining attempts at encryption via Bullrun[135][136] and that the agency was using cookies
to "piggyback" on the same tools used by internet advertisers "to pinpoint targets for government hacking and to bolster surveillance."[137] The
NSA was shown to be "secretly" tapping into Yahoo and Google data centers to collect information from "hundreds of millions" of account holders
worldwide by tapping undersea cables using the MUSCULAR surveillance program.[114][115]
The NSA, the CIA and GCHQ spied on users of Second Life, Xbox Live and World of Warcraft, and attempted to recruit would-be informants from
the sites, according to documents revealed in December 2013.[138][139] Leaked documents showed NSA agents also spied on their "love interests,"
a practice NSA employees termed LOVEINT.[140][141] The NSA was shown to be tracking the online sexual activity of people they termed
"radicalizers" in order to discredit them.[142] Following the revelation of "Black Pearl", a program targeting private networks, the NSA was accused
of extending beyond its primary mission of national security. The agency's intelligence-gathering operations had targeted, among others, oil giant
Petrobras, Brazil's largest company.[143] The NSA and the GCHQ were also shown to be surveilling charities including UNICEF and Médecins du
Monde, as well as allies such as the EU chief and the Israeli Prime Minister.[144]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
Something the government has been doing for decades through FBI, DHS and NSA is warehousing communications from citizens and promising they would not look at the information until a warrant is issued for a specific investigation. Yeah, when has the government ever abused its authority?
Well, think about the Constitutional protections there. You are supposed to be protected against illegal searches and seizures to include electronic communications unless and until a warrant is issued subject to rules of reasonable suspicion. By collecting the data without warrants, agencies in effect have access to conversations retroactively from before the investigation and legal permission existed to collect it.
See the problem here? It's equivalent to the cops installing cameras in your home, recording everything you do there 24/7, then going back to review the recordings for evidence of criminal activity after they can get a warrant.
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I saw one reference to content there, and it didn't specify content of communications involving U.S. persons. Show me where there is evidence that any agency of the U.S. government has been accessing CONTENT of communications between U.S. persons.
Metadata ≠ content
I listened closely to any reporting I caught when Snowden made his accusations, and every time... EVERY TIME... there was NO credible reporting that the content of communications between U.S. persons had been intercepted without a warrant. Everything I heard was about metadata... who was called and for how long, etc. Any evidence to the contrary?
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I don't believe that to be true, unless you're conversing with "non-U.S. persons" in whom they've taken an interest. Call me naive if you want, but I believe that our intelligence personnel take pretty seriously the legal restrictions on collecting on U.S. persons.
As to how do we fix it, well... we can't. Not permanently. We've "defeated" evil several times throughout history, and it keeps rearing it's ugly head under a new flag. What we can do is try to fix this problem by figuring out what is motivating the violence and fixing that; delivering intense violence on our terms to degrade their ability to plan and coordinate attacks will give us the room to figure out the "hearts and minds" piece... and hearts and minds are the key, either through changing their hearts and minds, or through "two to the heart, one to the mind."
You're correct. We will never be able to "fix" Islam. Nor will we ever win their "hearts and minds". That is because Islam is a civilizational doctrine, a totalitarian political ideology, more than it is a religion.
The BS about Islam being a "peaceful religion" is just that, BS.
In their minds, and in fact, they have been at war with the rest of us for the last 1400 years. What we're seeing today is just a continuation of that. We make the mistake of thinking it's something "new".
The mistake we made was thinking they were "beaten" when the Ottoman empire collapsed. All they really did was fall back and regroup, for 50 years, and then start again.
These guys give new meaning to the term "playing the long game". They will never quit until all "Kafirs" { non believers } are either killed,converted or enslaved. The word "Islam" itself means "submission".
As much as it goes against our ideology, the only real solution is complete and utter annihilation. As long as one Muslim heart beats, one copy of the Koran exists, the Prophet Mohammad lives on.
And the war will continue.
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You're correct. We will never be able to "fix" Islam. Nor will we ever win their "hearts and minds". That is because Islam is a civilizational doctrine, a totalitarian political ideology, more than it is a religion.
The BS about Islam being a "peaceful religion" is just that, BS.
In their minds, and in fact, they have been at war with the rest of us for the last 1400 years. What we're seeing today is just a continuation of that. We make the mistake of thinking it's something "new".
The mistake we made was thinking they were "beaten" when the Ottoman empire collapsed. All they really did was fall back and regroup, for 50 years, and then start again.
These guys give new meaning to the term "playing the long game". They will never quit until all "Kafirs" { non believers } are either killed,converted or enslaved. The word "Islam" itself means "submission".
As much as it goes against our ideology, the only real solution is complete and utter annihilation. As long as one Muslim heart beats, one copy of the Koran exists, the Prophet Mohammad lives on.
And the war will continue.
reminds me of "the master race" only this time it's "the master religion"..... trying to implement the "final solution".
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reminds me of "the master race" only this time it's "the master religion"..... trying to implement the "final solution".
Actually I was thinking an analogy to the Borg was a more accurate depiction. We must be assimilated, or die. :geekdanc:
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I'm not a religious scholar, but I've heard here and there that Islam is unique among major world religions for not having undergone a "reformation." The fact remains that the majority (vast majority?) of Muslims have not taken the path of violent jihad. I hold out hope that Islam can coexist with the awesome variety of other religions in the world. Until such time as we can convince the violent minority that another interpretation of their holy teachings is more appropriate, I'm fully behind the "two to the heart, one to the mind" method of modifying behavior.
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I'm not a religious scholar, but I've heard here and there that Islam is unique among major world religions for not having undergone a "reformation." The fact remains that the majority (vast majority?) of Muslims have not taken the path of violent jihad. I hold out hope that Islam can coexist with the awesome variety of other religions in the world. Until such time as we can convince the violent minority that another interpretation of their holy teachings is more appropriate, I'm fully behind the "two to the heart, one to the mind" method of modifying behavior.
There is an estimated 1 BILLION Muslims globally.
Estimates are that 5%-10% at any given time are radicalized and committed to Jihad.
That comes to an estimated 50 MILLION to 100 MILLION people worldwide living in cultures that immerse them in hate of the West and non-Muslims.
I don't share your hope.
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this disturbs me almost as much... is this the new faces of freedom, where paramilitary "watches" over us peons?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/security-us-locales-business-usual-35205817 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/security-us-locales-business-usual-35205817)
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I'm not a religious scholar, but I've heard here and there that Islam is unique among major world religions for not having undergone a "reformation." The fact remains that the majority (vast majority?) of Muslims have not taken the path of violent jihad. I hold out hope that Islam can coexist with the awesome variety of other religions in the world. Until such time as we can convince the violent minority that another interpretation of their holy teachings is more appropriate, I'm fully behind the "two to the heart, one to the mind" method of modifying behavior.
Better start reading up. History provides the answers to those that are willing to listen to the message.
3%
That seems to be the "magic number" when it comes to societal/governmental change.
In 1917 only 3% of the population of Russia was communist/secular humanists. Yet they were able to take control of the country and kill millions that disagreed with them.
In 1927 only 3% of Germans were Nazi's, we know what happened there.
In our own country, only 3% actually fought against the British, yet we were able to found the greatest nation ever seen on the planet.
Conservative estimates show that about 15% of Muslims are actively participating in "Jihad". We can see that they've already taken over the majority of the ME, and they're spreading out across Europe.
They'll beat us with sheer numbers due to procreation rates.
Remember that old adage about picking up snakes........
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I'm not a religious scholar, but I've heard here and there that Islam is unique among major world religions for not having undergone a "reformation." The fact remains that the majority (vast majority?) of Muslims have not taken the path of violent jihad. I hold out hope that Islam can coexist with the awesome variety of other religions in the world. Until such time as we can convince the violent minority that another interpretation of their holy teachings is more appropriate, I'm fully behind the "two to the heart, one to the mind" method of modifying behavior.
you're fighting a losing battle against stubborn people who already have their mind set on what they believe the problem is.
reality is, radicalized Islam is merely a sumptom of the actual problem. get rid of religion, and this still would be happening. at the end of the day, there's a culture and propaganda war that exists around Islam, not in it, and complaining about Islam is not going to fix the problem.
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I think I can hear the French munitions falling on Raqqah already.(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/14/5cf59171efd0a82f0ef93b27e89fcbd6.jpg)
Saw on the news earlier that the French Bombed Raqqah, good for France!
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There is an estimated 1 BILLION Muslims globally.
Estimates are that 5%-10% at any given time are radicalized and committed to Jihad.
That comes to an estimated 50 MILLION to 100 MILLION people worldwide living in cultures that immerse them in hate of the West and non-Muslims.
I don't share your hope.
I have seen other much smaller estimates, on the order of fractions of a percent. I don't know which one I believe and haven't researched it in any depth.
Additionally, a total number can be quite misleading. For example you might have one country that is overwhelmingly peaceful and another country that is overwhelmingly hateful, but if you average it then you would have 50% are hateful. Muslims exist across a huge array of cultures and governments making blanket statements often quite inacurate.
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You're correct. We will never be able to "fix" Islam. Nor will we ever win their "hearts and minds". That is because Islam is a civilizational doctrine, a totalitarian political ideology, more than it is a religion.
The BS about Islam being a "peaceful religion" is just that, BS.
And what would you say to the muslims that don't fit into that generalization? The ones that reject the violence and don't hate the western world. Are they not real muslims? Are they all just secretly lying?
Can we "fix" Islam? Probably not, but what would that even entail?
We will never win their hearts and minds? We definitely wont if we don't try. We would be foolish it that were our only tactic but we would be equally foolish if reject the hearts and minds. If radical islam represents 15% of the muslim world, what good does alienating and thus increasing that number?
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And what would you say to the muslims that don't fit into that generalization? The ones that reject the violence and don't hate the western world. Are they not real muslims? Are they all just secretly lying?
Can we "fix" Islam? Probably not, but what would that even entail?
We will never win their hearts and minds? We definitely wont if we don't try. We would be foolish it that were our only tactic but we would be equally foolish if reject the hearts and minds. If radical islam represents 15% of the muslim world, what good does alienating and thus increasing that number?
You can fix islam and the middle east.
There is already a new sect of islam that is growing, that was created specifically to be compatible with a modern world. Do they have a lot of people? Depends on what you consider 'lots of people'. As of right now, they have a few hundred thousand, but their numbers are growing.
But how do we fix the problem overall in the middle east? Simple:
On September 2, 1945, we made peace with Japan after dropping 2 atomic bombs on them and causing so much destruction that not even the most dedicated zealots wanted to fight anymore; maybe it's time we 'make peace' with the middle east as well.
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Set aside the politics and religion for a second.
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I heard news reports that the bombs were ineffective primitive devices and killed only 1 person.
Most killings were from rifle fire.
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Question for martial artists.
Unless the active shooters are wearing electronic hearing protection, I assume they are suffering from temporary hearing loss after firing a couple of shots.
If you could get behind the perp, he probably can't hear you coming.
What is the best method of subduing a rifleman from behind? ...if you don't have a weapon of any sort.
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Set aside the politics and religion for a second.
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I heard news reports that the bombs were ineffective primitive devices and killed only 1 person.
Most killings were from rifle fire.
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Question for martial artists.
Unless the active shooters are wearing electronic hearing protection, I assume they are suffering from temporary hearing loss after firing a couple of shots.
If you could get behind the perp, he probably can't hear you coming.
What is the best method of subduing a rifleman from behind? ...if you don't have a weapon of any sort.
Sucker punch to the back of the head, where the base of the skull meets the spine. You'll need to hit very hard.
No special skills required. Just don't miss.
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And what would you say to the muslims that don't fit into that generalization? The ones that reject the violence and don't hate the western world. Are they not real muslims? Are they all just secretly lying?
Can we "fix" Islam? Probably not, but what would that even entail?
We will never win their hearts and minds? We definitely wont if we don't try. We would be foolish it that were our only tactic but we would be equally foolish if reject the hearts and minds. If radical islam represents 15% of the muslim world, what good does alienating and thus increasing that number?
I'll be brief here as I have to go to work,
By Islamic standards they are not real Muslims, that is why they are being killed wherever they are found. Along with Christians and any other "Kafirs".
Exactly.
We've been trying to coexist with them for the last 1400 years. They aren't having any of it, the problem has only escalated, despite efforts at peace. Here's an analogy, if you're killing cockroaches and you "save" ones that you consider "good" how long will it be before they repopulate? How many of those will be "bad"?
BTW, 15% is just the estimated number of "participants". The estimates of those that support Jihad are around 50-60%.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/isis-propaganda-videos-praise-paris-attacks-threatens-washington-n464161?cid=sm_fb
Enjoy!
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I'll be brief here as I have to go to work,
By Islamic standards they are not real Muslims, that is why they are being killed wherever they are found. Along with Christians and any other "Kafirs".
Exactly.
We've been trying to coexist with them for the last 1400 years. They aren't having any of it, the problem has only escalated, despite efforts at peace. Here's an analogy, if you're killing cockroaches and you "save" ones that you consider "good" how long will it be before they repopulate? How many of those will be "bad"?
BTW, 15% is just the estimated number of "participants". The estimates of those that support Jihad are around 50-60%.
By Islamic standards? There isn't exactly a single Islamic standard considering there are different sects of Islam.
Cockaroaches are a poor analogy. This 1400 years of conflict is so much more complex than just Islam vs the world. That completely ignores all of the politics, economics, etc that have gone into the middle east conflicts over the years. I also wouldn't say that we have been trying to "coexist" with them for 1400 years. Were the crusades just attempts to coexist?
The percentage number was just made up as it was just an example to illustrate my point that if we ignore hearts and minds we will only serve to increase that number.
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Aloha Syrians
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30532863/governor-hawaii-would-welcome-syrian-refugees (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30532863/governor-hawaii-would-welcome-syrian-refugees)
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:wtf:
They better cut CCW loose too !
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Saw a flag something like this, who's is it ?
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By Islamic standards? There isn't exactly a single Islamic standard considering there are different sects of Islam.
Cockaroaches are a poor analogy. This 1400 years of conflict is so much more complex than just Islam vs the world. That completely ignores all of the politics, economics, etc that have gone into the middle east conflicts over the years. I also wouldn't say that we have been trying to "coexist" with them for 1400 years. Were the crusades just attempts to coexist?
The percentage number was just made up as it was just an example to illustrate my point that if we ignore hearts and minds we will only serve to increase that number.
Ahh! The Crusades. I knew someone would bring it up.
Actually, since you put it that way, yeah, they kind of were! Unfortunately your view of the Crusades has been tainted by revisionist historians { most of whom are liberal fucktards }.
The first Crusade was begun in response to Muslim aggression. During their wars of conquest to expand their territory, Muslims had taken the Holy Lands { Jerusalem } which were originally populated by Christians. Having done this, they promised safe passage for Christians making a pilgrimage for the purposes of worship. Great right! Too bad it didn't last.
Emperor Alexios I of Byzantine found his empire under siege and being destroyed by our friends the "peace loving Muslims" and also noted that they were now demanding a tax from Christian pilgrims, and slaughtering those that couldn't pay. He sent an emissary with a message to Pope Urban II citing this and asking for military assistance in defending his empire and retaking the Holy Lands in the name of the church.
The Pope saw this as an opportunity to repair a rift that had developed between the Eastern and Western factions of the church and unite them under him. So he sent forth an army, that eventually kicked ass and took the Holy Lands back. Now this didn't last either. There were numerous Crusades, all of which were destroyed by the Muslims, over the next 800 years until the 1600's when the agreement that pretty much stands to this day was reached wherein the Muslims controlled the Holy sites that mattered most to them and vise versa for the Christians.
This doesn't mean the Crusaders didn't commit atrocities, they just didn't commit them against Muslims. Most of them were committed against everyone's favorite whipping boy, the German Jews.
It also doesn't change the fact that the Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. They have nobody but themselves to blame for it.
You're right, cockroaches are a poor analogy.
Pigs are better.
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Ahh! The Crusades. I knew someone would bring it up.
Actually, since you put it that way, yeah, they kind of were! Unfortunately your view of the Crusades has been tainted by revisionist historians { most of whom are liberal fucktards }.
The first Crusade was begun in response to Muslim aggression. During their wars of conquest to expand their territory, Muslims had taken the Holy Lands { Jerusalem } which were originally populated by Christians. Having done this, they promised safe passage for Christians making a pilgrimage for the purposes of worship. Great right! Too bad it didn't last.
Emperor Alexios I of Byzantine found his empire under siege and being destroyed by our friends the "peace loving Muslims" and also noted that they were now demanding a tax from Christian pilgrims, and slaughtering those that couldn't pay. He sent an emissary with a message to Pope Urban II citing this and asking for military assistance in defending his empire and retaking the Holy Lands in the name of the church.
The Pope saw this as an opportunity to repair a rift that had developed between the Eastern and Western factions of the church and unite them under him. So he sent forth an army, that eventually kicked ass and took the Holy Lands back. Now this didn't last either. There were numerous Crusades, all of which were destroyed by the Muslims, over the next 800 years until the 1600's when the agreement that pretty much stands to this day was reached wherein the Muslims controlled the Holy sites that mattered most to them and vise versa for the Christians.
This doesn't mean the Crusaders didn't commit atrocities, they just didn't commit them against Muslims. Most of them were committed against everyone's favorite whipping boy, the German Jews.
It also doesn't change the fact that the Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. They have nobody but themselves to blame for it.
You're right, cockroaches are a poor analogy.
Pigs are better.
Thanks, edster. I'm so fucking sick of these idiotic Islamist apologists that use that old "Crusades" argument, which is nothing more than a logical fallacy in and of itself.
People that regurgitate that idiocy NEVER once mention that in 1095, when the First Crusade was called upon, the Iberian peninsula (modern day Spain, Portugal, and parts of southern France) had ALREADY been living under centuries of Muslim occupation and dhimmitude. What did the Visigoths or Franks do to deserve Muslim aggression, rape, theft, enslavement, forced conversion, and/or murder? It was only when Charles Martel and his Frankish fighters engaged the Muslims in military force that the poison of Islam was halted and eventually pushed back over the Pyrenees mountains. Long story short: Muslims are the ones that started with the unwarranted aggression, and the Crusades were a DEFENSIVE action to MUSLIM AGGRESSION.
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Ahh! The Crusades. I knew someone would bring it up.
Actually, since you put it that way, yeah, they kind of were! Unfortunately your view of the Crusades has been tainted by revisionist historians { most of whom are liberal fucktards }.
The first Crusade was begun in response to Muslim aggression. During their wars of conquest to expand their territory, Muslims had taken the Holy Lands { Jerusalem } which were originally populated by Christians. Having done this, they promised safe passage for Christians making a pilgrimage for the purposes of worship. Great right! Too bad it didn't last.
Emperor Alexios I of Byzantine found his empire under siege and being destroyed by our friends the "peace loving Muslims" and also noted that they were now demanding a tax from Christian pilgrims, and slaughtering those that couldn't pay. He sent an emissary with a message to Pope Urban II citing this and asking for military assistance in defending his empire and retaking the Holy Lands in the name of the church.
The Pope saw this as an opportunity to repair a rift that had developed between the Eastern and Western factions of the church and unite them under him. So he sent forth an army, that eventually kicked ass and took the Holy Lands back. Now this didn't last either. There were numerous Crusades, all of which were destroyed by the Muslims, over the next 800 years until the 1600's when the agreement that pretty much stands to this day was reached wherein the Muslims controlled the Holy sites that mattered most to them and vise versa for the Christians.
This doesn't mean the Crusaders didn't commit atrocities, they just didn't commit them against Muslims. Most of them were committed against everyone's favorite whipping boy, the German Jews.
It also doesn't change the fact that the Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. They have nobody but themselves to blame for it.
You're right, cockroaches are a poor analogy.
Pigs are better.
I am not denying that muslim aggression was the cause there rather I am saying that I think it is very narrow minded to suggest that it was purely some good vs evil. What wars are ever that simple?
I am suspicious of any political argument that tries to frame a complicated situation as just some struggle between good and evil. It is a lot easier to get people on your side if you convince them it is black and white.
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Thanks, edster. I'm so fucking sick of these idiotic Islamist apologists that use that old "Crusades" argument, which is nothing more than a logical fallacy in and of itself.
People that regurgitate that idiocy NEVER once mention that in 1095, when the First Crusade was called upon, the Iberian peninsula (modern day Spain, Portugal, and parts of southern France) had ALREADY been living under centuries of Muslim occupation and dhimmitude. What did the Visigoths or Franks do to deserve Muslim aggression, rape, theft, enslavement, forced conversion, and/or murder? It was only when Charles Martel and his Frankish fighters engaged the Muslims in military force that the poison of Islam was halted and eventually pushed back over the Pyrenees mountains. Long story short: Muslims are the ones that started with the unwarranted aggression, and the Crusades were a DEFENSIVE action to MUSLIM AGGRESSION.
You're welcome!
As I said in an earlier post, history answers a lot of questions, if we'll only listen.
Truth is our most potent weapon against evil. When you find people denying, twisting, or trying to hide it, you've more than likely found the seeds of evil trying to take root.
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I am not denying that muslim aggression was the cause there rather I am saying that I think it is very narrow minded to suggest that it was purely some good vs evil. What wars are ever that simple?
I am suspicious of any political argument that tries to frame a complicated situation as just some struggle between good and evil. It is a lot easier to get people on your side if you convince them it is black and white.
I think it's a mistake to frame it as a "political argument".
Politics and politicians ever seek to muddy the waters and deny clarity. It's the wedge they use to find an advantage and capitalize on it to further their own self serving ambitions.
Almost always to our detriment.
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I think it's a mistake to frame it as a "political argument".
Politics and politicians ever seek to muddy the waters and deny clarity. It's the wedge they use to find an advantage and capitalize on it to further their own self serving ambitions.
Almost always to our detriment.
I would say, to the contrary, politicians seem to love to make things black and white/good vs. evil because they can get more supporters that way. It is hard to convince a country to go to war over gray areas.
Of course they will use gray areas when it suits them though.
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removed broken link
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I know we've probably all made fun of the french at some point or another, but damn gotta give it to the guy that was behind this. The next few buys in the stack were probably holding up his massive balls so they didn't drag on the ground.
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I know we've probably all made fun of the french at some point or another, but damn gotta give it to the guy that was behind this. The next few buys in the stack were probably holding up his massive balls so they didn't drag on the ground.
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Saw that shield on the news yesterday.
At that point the phrase "terminate with extreme prejudice" came to mind.