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Title: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: mamalukino on December 04, 2015, 06:27:59 AM
Read this and go vote

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/12/02/mass-shootings-colorado-springs-san-bernardino-editorials-debates/76698044/

link edited by macsak
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: dustoff003 on December 04, 2015, 08:10:28 AM
Vote? I don't see a poll or anything to vote on
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: macsak on December 04, 2015, 09:24:51 AM
Vote? I don't see a poll or anything to vote on

on the right side of the page, there is a "quick poll"
strongly disagree is at 50% and climbing
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: edster48 on December 04, 2015, 09:35:18 AM
on the right side of the page, there is a "quick poll"
strongly disagree is at 50% and climbing

51% when I voted.
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: Jl808 on December 04, 2015, 09:53:16 AM
Still at 51% strongly disagree.
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: suka on December 04, 2015, 10:00:36 AM
was 48% earlier
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: Tom_G on December 04, 2015, 10:15:49 AM
He was off to such a good start!  I was smiling and nodding right up until the moment he started proposing the same ineffectual ideas. 
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: mauidog on December 04, 2015, 11:04:18 AM
He was off to such a good start!  I was smiling and nodding right up until the moment he started proposing the same ineffectual ideas.

What's messed up is, he admits these measures would not have stopped any of these shootings, but "somehow" these measure will make it harder for the bad guys to build up their  arsenals.

No elaboration on how the arsenal build-up becomes harder after the new measures are adopted.  He jumps from implementation to result with no analysis or explanation tying them together!
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: dustoff003 on December 04, 2015, 11:26:18 AM

on the right side of the page, there is a "quick poll"
strongly disagree is at 50% and climbing
got it now it's not visible on a mobile device I had to use a proper computer
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: Q on December 04, 2015, 12:06:05 PM
52/27, in favor of proclaiming this article as garbage.
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: HiCarry on December 04, 2015, 12:59:19 PM
He was off to such a good start!  I was smiling and nodding right up until the moment he started proposing the same ineffectual ideas. 

I find it interesting that the author himself seems to contradict himself.

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Would these steps have headed off the tragedies in California and Colorado? Probably not. But at least they'd make it more difficult for the radicalized and the deranged to accumulate their deadly arsenals. That alone makes them worth doing.

If it would not have prevented the two shootings by folks who were clearly "...radicalized and...deranged.." from getting guns, why does he think such proposals would stop other radicalized and deranged individuals from obtaining guns? Not to mention that California is a gun banner's wet dream with almost every "common sense" gun control law ever proposed....
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: Heavies on December 04, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
"Would these steps have headed off the tragedies in California and Colorado? Probably not. But at least they'd make it more difficult for the radicalized and the deranged to accumulate their deadly arsenals. That alone makes them worth doing."

I just don't believe the absurdity of this closing statement. ???

So, the answer is to make it more difficult for good citizens to have weapons, disarm them, so it is 'harder' for criminals to arm? (Notice it's "harder" not disarmed criminals)

Pretty much, be a sitting duck and catch boolits so I don't have to feel uncomfortable. ... 

:vomit:
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: eyeeatingfish on December 05, 2015, 02:03:33 AM
I find it interesting that the author himself seems to contradict himself.

If it would not have prevented the two shootings by folks who were clearly "...radicalized and...deranged.." from getting guns, why does he think such proposals would stop other radicalized and deranged individuals from obtaining guns? Not to mention that California is a gun banner's wet dream with almost every "common sense" gun control law ever proposed....

Perhaps he is theorizing that even though it wouldn't stop them, it might make them less effective? Just a guess, but if that is what he is getting at clearly he needs to explain it more clearly.
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: Q on December 05, 2015, 08:47:50 AM
Perhaps he is theorizing that even though it wouldn't stop them, it might make them less effective? Just a guess, but if that is what he is getting at clearly he needs to explain it more clearly.

Greg...is that you?
Title: Re: FIRE MISSION- USA Today Poll on gun control (headline edited by macsak)
Post by: mauidog on December 05, 2015, 11:18:37 AM
Perhaps he is theorizing that even though it wouldn't stop them, it might make them less effective? Just a guess, but if that is what he is getting at clearly he needs to explain it more clearly.

The Gun-Grabber Whisperer!

So lucky to have you here to tell us what they all meant to say!

 :geekdanc: