Not many service pistols can be tuned to shoot 3" groups at 50 yards.(http://)
It has been around for ~100 years. Plenty of time to develop a cult following.
I own a 1911 and other semis. I like my 1911, but my glock has never jammed no matter what I fed it. Cannot say the same for my 1911.
Not many service pistols can be tuned to shoot 3" groups at 50 yards.(http://)
Never been a real big fan of the 1911 platform.
I know there are some great ones but I've personally seen more malfunctions with 1911's than with Glocks.
I have a Glock 22 that I can shoot 3" groups with at 50 yards.
I take it to the plinking range and knock down the bolts at the 50 yard mark.
I've been on the firing line a long time, well over 30 years. Shot a lot of guns, watched a lot of other people shoot a lot more guns. And, while I am not disputing anyone's personal experience, I feel I can authoritatively say: semi-autos malfunction. Period, end of story. I've seen Sigs, Glocks, and Berettas malfunction. Misfeeds, stovepipes, failures to fire, failures to extract, and double feeds. Yes, I've even seen (and had) 1911s malfunction. And, based solely on my personal experience, they all malfunction at more-or-less the same rate. So, if you figure in the whole "Glocks have half as many moving parts" thing, then technically, they malfunction twice as often! ;) Honestly, though, I have won a pistol competition because a competitor's Glock malfunctioned.Glad you added that part...My 686 has never failed to go bang in the 22 years I've had it.
My point, though, is that all semis malfunction. Anyone who tries to sell you on a platform with the "it doesn't malfunction" line either hasn't shot enough, is experiencing selective recall, or is trying to sell you a gun.
Unless, of course, we're talking about revolvers :)
<snip>Glad you added that part...My 686 has never failed to go bang in the 22 years I've had it.
Unless, of course, we're talking about revolvers :)
well, you need a screwdriver to get the grip panels off
In my experience, the 1911 does not come as "battle ready" as many other firearms.
Quotewell, you need a screwdriver to get the grip panels off
Actually, the original design allowed for the rim of the cartridge case to remove the grip panels. In the original, you will note that those screw slots are curved down inside to allow for the cartridge rim to be used as a screwdriver.
QuoteIn my experience, the 1911 does not come as "battle ready" as many other firearms.
Depends on what you mean by "battle ready." If you mean it needs to be tricked out with three-dot adjustable sights and tuned up and tightened and cleaned and oiled lovingly every day for your personal "battle" carry arm, it is not.
If you mean bust open a crate with your machete and take one out of the crate on Iwo Jima, drop it in the salt mud, and fire it as is for weeks on end, it is.
Not many service pistols can be tuned to shoot 3" groups at 50 yards.(http://)
Never been a real big fan of the 1911 platform.
I know there are some great ones but I've personally seen more malfunctions with 1911's than with Glocks.
I have a Glock 22 that I can shoot 3" groups with at 50 yards.
I take it to the plinking range and knock down the bolts at the 50 yard mark.
Talk is cheap. NRA regional is 29-30 Oct at Koko Head. The .45 Match is Sunday morning.
How much of winning in competition is dependent on equipment?Not many service pistols can be tuned to shoot 3" groups at 50 yards.(http://)
Never been a real big fan of the 1911 platform.
I know there are some great ones but I've personally seen more malfunctions with 1911's than with Glocks.
I have a Glock 22 that I can shoot 3" groups with at 50 yards.
I take it to the plinking range and knock down the bolts at the 50 yard mark.
Talk is cheap. NRA regional is 29-30 Oct at Koko Head. The .45 Match is Sunday morning.
QuoteIn my experience, the 1911 does not come as "battle ready" as many other firearms.
Depends on what you mean by "battle ready." If you mean it needs to be tricked out with three-dot adjustable sights and tuned up and tightened and cleaned and oiled lovingly every day for your personal "battle" carry arm, it is not.
If you mean bust open a crate with your machete and take one out of the crate on Iwo Jima, drop it in the salt mud, and fire it as is for weeks on end, it is.
^^^THAT
A bad driver in a Ferrari is still a bad driver. Good equipment can never compensate for bad technique.
My most prestigeous matches are international competitions with rack service rifles and pistols. The winners get to go home alive. I figure that better training is the reason we are not speaking German or Russian. I shoot M16A2 and M9 because they are the weapons that my job says I have to use against all enemies - both foreign and domestic.
Talk is cheap. If a Glock, SIG, HK, and a 1911 all shot 3" groups at 50yards, then the guy with the best skill should win.
A bad driver in a Ferrari is still a bad driver. Good equipment can never compensate for bad technique.
My most prestigeous matches are international competitions with rack service rifles and pistols. The winners get to go home alive. I figure that better training is the reason we are not speaking German or Russian. I shoot M16A2 and M9 because they are the weapons that my job says I have to use against all enemies - both foreign and domestic.
Talk is cheap. If a Glock, SIG, HK, and a 1911 all shot 3" groups at 50yards, then the guy with the best skill should win.
Do units who have unlimited incomes, use 1911?
Thats why they created classes in shooting competitions.
<moderately off-topic side note>QuoteThats why they created classes in shooting competitions.
Yeah, but. I quit shooting in Handgun Metallic Silhouette competition "Factory" class because I was using my Honest-To-Gawd-straight-from-the-factory S&W 19 field sidearm per the rules. Which I actually carried, in a holster, all over the Grasslands and mountains.
I was always in the middle of the pack on the scoring sheet back at the range shack and quit when I realized why.
The "Rules" can always be bent. Too many of the competitors were using Buck Rogers super-dooper tricked out guns with enhanced sight radii and lapped bores and the like which you couldn't even get into a holster.
Yup. They were legitimately "factory" guns. From some little bona-fide "factories" which produced maybe 10 specially-made guns a year.
But they were out of the box "factory-made," hence their guns were "legal" to shoot in the "factory" class.
For a couple of matches after that, I shot only against myself, realizing full well that the trophies would always go to the other "factory" gunners, and that I'd never be able to consistently break the middle-of-the-list barrier against "factory" guns like that.
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I guess Rules are made to be wiggled around.
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Terry "Sour Grapes," 230RN <grumble, grumble>
I'm a newbie to the sport and recently picked up Glock for starters. Didn't pick it up because it’s better than a Sig or any other handgun in the looks or accuracy. I did it because it seemed to be a decent way to start for the money. While reading up on handguns before I purchased mine, I was intrigued by the cult-like following of the 1911 and wondered what made it one of the most popular models of all time. I mean the design IS over 100 years old and gun manufacturers have surely "improved" on ergonomics, weight, etc. using more "advanced" manufacturing techniques and materials. :P Is it the war history or the endless number of custom parts available? Is it because it’s so tough and versatile that you can hunt with it using one end and do carpentry with the other (all without a single cleaning of course)? Help me understand it. I’d love to become a member of the cult. :D
So what you're saying is in a real life competition, the guys with the superior equipment won?
...and the production and distribution of literally thousands...
...and the production and distribution of literally thousands...
Try millions. Millions, I say!!!