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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: mauidog on December 16, 2015, 08:14:47 PM
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Make sure your hats are extra tight for this one!
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https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA
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I'm definitely a conspiracy theorist on this one.
How do you drop a 110 story buildng into it's own footprint by hitting it on one side with a plane ?
Demolition experts would have a hard time.
One of those two buildings would have toppled , if not both.
And why hit it when essentially no one's there ?
Middle of the day those buildings occupy 50,000 people not counting the thousands of tourists.
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I'm definitely a conspiracy theorist on this one.
How do you drop a 110 story buildng into it's own footprint by hitting it on one side with a plane ?
Demolition experts would have a hard time.
One of those two buildings would have toppled.
And why hit it when essentially no one's there ?
Middle of the day those buildings occupy 50,000 people not counting the thousands of tourists.
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The two towers were hit at 8:46 and 9:03 AM EST. That's hardly "middle of the day." Many offices may not have even opened for business yet.
90% of the fatalities inside the towers were at or above the impact points. The fires prevented them from escaping. About 200 people jumped to their deaths,
The vast majority of people in the towers were below the impact areas and made it out. 411 emergency workers died in the towers as they collapsed after returning from helping the lower floors evacuate.
The South Tower collapsed after burning for 56 minutes. The North Tower burned for 102 minutes. That's about an hour+ to evacuate the lower floors.
Fewer than half the number killed in the North tower died in the South Tower. When the North Tower was struck at 8:46, many people in the South Tower decided to start evacuating immediately and didn't wait for an order. That helped save people who would have been above the second plane's impact 17 minutes later.
There were 14 saved in Stairwell A that didn't buckle in the collapse of the South Tower.
There were still finding bone fragments as late as 2006 as they were preparing to demolish the damaged Deutsche Bank building.
There are still 1,113 victims who have not been identified.
As far as the building itself, the fire is what started the collapse. Once that started, the floors below the impact area could not sustain the force of the floors above as they collapsed.
The steel was sealed in fireproofing material to protect them against normal fires. That material was blown off the steel supports at impact. The steel was heated for an hour or more. Engineers believe if the fireproofing had remained in place, the towers would still be standing.
The fires weakened the trusses supporting the floors, making the floors sag. The sagging floors pulled on the exterior steel columns causing the exterior columns to bow inward. With the damage to the core columns, the buckling exterior columns could no longer support the buildings, causing them to collapse. Additionally, the report found the towers' stairwells were not adequately reinforced to provide adequate emergency escape for people above the impact zones. the buildings didn't topple because the base was undamaged until the floors above came crashing down with massive force.
That's the official review's findings. The impact of the planes took out 3/4 of the support columns and the buildings stayed up. It was the fire which weakened the structure and caused the collapse.
I don't see a conspiracy other than the hijackers and planners. I lost several friends and coworkers at the Pentagon. For this to be a conspiracy, all 3 targets -- NYC, DC, and Arlington -- would have had to be wrapped up in one big plan. I don't see any real motive that could have driven anyone other than the terrorists to attack these specific symbolic targets on the same day.
If anyone wanted to drag the US into a war in Iraq, I think a less messy and costly plan would have been better. Airlines lost billions of dollars, as did the oil industry that supplies the fuel for airliners. We spent trillions on increased and new security systems in every place they might do some good. Thousands were killed in one day, and tens of thousands over time from the toxic dust when the towers fell.
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Damn md please tell me that was a copy paste job above
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Damn md please tell me that was a copy past job above
Only pasted a couple of sentences. The rest was a summary of the facts and some personal opinion.
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So the building is strong enough that 3/4ths of the support columns could be removed and it would still stand.
But it still caused the majority of the building, which was undamaged, to drop straight down.
And the top floors which were undamaged met no resistance so they didn't topple.
Professional demo guys couldn't have dropped these buildings more perfect.
And they hit the Pentagon. Not the White House 1minute away. Or the Capitol 1 minute away.
But the most heavily armored building in the area.
I'm not saying the terrorists were not real
But something is rotten in Denmark.
And as far as middle of the day. That's exactly what I said. It was not in the middle of the day.
And we went to war with Afghanistan not Iraq.
Spent trillions on new security systems and got the war machine going again.
P.s. And why are you dancing about this ?
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So the building is strong enough that 3/4ths of the support columns could be removed and it would still stand.
But it still caused the majority of the building, which was undamaged, to drop straight down.
And the top floors which were undamaged met no resistance so they didn't topple.
Professional demo guys couldn't have dropped these buildings more perfect.
And they hit the Pentagon. Not the White House 1minute away. Or the Capitol 1 minute away.
But the most heavily armored building in the area.
I'm not saying the terrorists were not real
But something is rotten in Denmark.
And as far as middle of the day. That's exactly what I said. It was not in the middle of the day.
And we went to war with Afghanistan not Iraq.
Spent trillions on new security systems and got the war machine going again.
P.s. And why are you dancing about this ?
The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania is believed to have been planned to hit the White House or maybe the Capitol.
The Pentagon is NOT "armored". You should take a tour of the building sometime. It was never built to withstand an attack on the scale of a jetliner full of fuel striking it.
There is an "undisclosed location" near the boarder of Pennsylvania and Virginia which was scheduled to be deactivated. After 9/11, the facility was once again activated for emergency operations should the Pentagon and government building come under attack. The facility was leftover from the Cold War, meant to take a direct hit by a nuclear warhead and survive. If you know what Crystal Palace is (like in the movie War Games), then you have an idea what this facility is like. I spent a week there after the attacks recovering information and installing computer systems for the Chief of Naval Operations that would be able to survive another 91// attack.
Maybe if the terrorists had chosen to swap targets for the planes, the Pentagon would have been spared instead of whichever DC target. Random luck of the draw.
The first Central Intelligence Agency team entered Iraq on 10 July 2002 At 5:34 a.m. Baghdad time on 20 March 2003 (9:34 p.m., 19 March EST) the surprise military invasion of Iraq began.
Sounds like we were at war with iraq to me. One of the systems I created here in Hawaii was used to give the order to start launching the first cruise missiles that morning.
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Now he needs to make a video showing us how burning office furniture melted the steel of building 7 that made it drop in it's own footprint. Then show us what's on the banned Pentagon security cam footage. Then tell us what's on the 28 missing pages of the 9/11 report.
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Now he needs to make a video showing us how burning office furniture melted the steel of building 7 that made it drop in it's own footprint. Then show us what's on the banned Pentagon security cam footage. Then tell us what's on the 28 missing pages of the 9/11 report.
You have evidence of these claims?
Are you serious? Jet fuel does burn. Some office furniture can also burn. Lots of plastic stuff in offices nowadays. Phones, letter baskets, file holders, chairs, most copy machines exteriors, printer exteriors, computer monitors. toner cartridges, TVs, speakers, most computer battery packs, -- almost everything around has at least some plastic in it. Paper burns. I bet many offices have lots of binders, files, books, and other paper products everywhere you look. There was plenty of fuel to burn in those fires other than "office furniture".
It's clear the fires burned the entire time from impact to collapse. You think someone was pumping in gasoline or other flammable liquids to keep the flames going? :wacko:
Plastics are mostly petroleum based. Everything plastic will burn and not be consumed as quickly as paper.
The characterization that the buildings collapsed "in its own footprint" is totally inaccurate. You can see when the North Tower falls, the amount of debris and dust extended well beyond the size of that footprint as soon as the collapse started..
https://youtu.be/mcaz6N75mjM
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Now he needs to make a video showing us how burning office furniture melted the steel of building 7 that made it drop in it's own footprint. Then show us what's on the banned Pentagon security cam footage. Then tell us what's on the 28 missing pages of the 9/11 report.
MauiD
You forgot the 7 part.
As in building 7 which wasn't hit by a plane and jet fuel.
And what's on the banned Pentagon security cam footage ?
And what about the 28 missing pages of the report ?
So the building is strong enough that 3/4ths of the support columns could be removed and it would still stand.
But it still caused the majority of the building, which was undamaged, to drop straight down.
And the top floors which were undamaged met no resistance so they didn't topple.
Professional demo guys couldn't have dropped these buildings more perfect.
I'm not saying the terrorists were not real
But something is rotten in Denmark.
P.s. And why are you dancing about this ?
And of course debris and dust went everywhere.
You ever seen a building that was imploded ?
They still fell in their own footprints.
http://newsone.com/742485/the-11-most-compelling-911-conspiracy-theories/
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You forgot the 7 part.
As in building 7 which wasn't hit by a plane and jet fuel.
And of course debris and dust went everywhere.
You ever seen a building that was imploded ?
They still fell in their own footprints.
Watch the second video. It illustrates how the towers were constructed unlike any other skyscraper before. Each floor was basically supporting the next. That's much different than the way buildings like the Empire State Building was designed. Once the floors started collapsing onto the next floor below, the interior supports buckled, and the exterior supports couldn't handle the weight. The design is also why they collapsed almost straight down. The force was focused between the exterior supports causing the exterior to fail outward while the floors themselvees bowed in the center from the failed interior supports. One way to imagine it is, the building was swallowing itself from the top down. Everything fell to the inside of the next floor, then the next. When the interior was gone, the exterior fell to the center with it.
The office furniture and anything else not bolted down also fell toward the center, creating more weight and force on the center of the next floor.
The unique design of the buildings is why they survived for as long as they did, and why the combination of structural damage and heat eventually caused them to collapse inward.
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Watch the second video.
Man, why you spend so much energy arguing with liberals? They will not change, they just FEEL they are correct, and no one corrects feelings.
To do so would admit a character flaw, that their emotions control their thinking.
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Man, why you spend so much energy arguing with liberals? They will not change, they just FEEL they are correct, and no one corrects feelings.
To do so would admit a character flaw, that their emotions control their thinking.
Maybe it's because I'm no longer married. Not enough stress in my life!! :rofl:
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Man, why you spend so much energy arguing with liberals? They will not change, they just FEEL they are correct, and no one corrects feelings.
To do so would admit a character flaw, that their emotions control their thinking.
Rob, what are you talking about ?
Can wipe out 75% of the exterior and interior structural members and still stand.
But that design makes it implode inward.
Hard to believe.
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Troll fighting out of loneliness? I've been there before. Sorry and congratulations for your separation. It gets better. :shaka:
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Troll fighting out of loneliness? I've been there before. Sorry and congratulations for your separation. It gets better. :shaka:
May also have something to do with me missing being told I'm wrong all the time! :D
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The conspiracy theorists are grasping at straws with this one. Nearly all of their arguments fall flat, maybe one or two potentially could hold water. The whole steel doesn't melt is one of the most stupid ones for the most ignorant people.
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Two 110 story buildings built to withstand just about anything perfectly imploding is the strongest one.
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I'm definitely a conspiracy theorist on this one.
How do you drop a 110 story buildng into it's own footprint by hitting it on one side with a plane ?
Demolition experts would have a hard time.
One of those two buildings would have toppled , if not both.
And why hit it when essentially no one's there ?
Middle of the day those buildings occupy 50,000 people not counting the thousands of tourists.
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Fuel heats up steel framing until something fails. Once key members go it overloads the remaining members and the structure collapses. It's highly unlikely that the failure would be limited to only one side of the structure to enable it to act as a pivot point.
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Two 110 story buildings built to withstand just about anything perfectly imploding is the strongest one.
Code and design is drastically different now than when the towers were built. Back when the towers were first designed you were talking ASD. Even when I was going to school there was a transition away from ASD to LRFD design.
Also you don't design to avoid "implosions" and what happened to the towers were not implosions they were failures of key structural elements due to overheating which led to a cascade effect and failure of other key members. Once that 15% or 20% or whatever safety factor is failed in one member the loads shift to other members and overwhelm them.
The second time around the terrorists understood what it took to put the buildings into serious trouble unlike the bombing of the tower foundations in the 90's.