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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: robtmc on February 12, 2016, 07:05:08 PM

Title: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: robtmc on February 12, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
Poste in Lesislative updates as well.

HB2528, a BFD to us on the Big Island to build our one and only (if you can believe that) public shooting range, is finally moving. 

Much opposition from wealthy resort and condo owners, along with Oahu interests (GK?) repeatedly tried to derail it over the last few years. 

Forced repeats of noise tests, etc.  Even one "errant projectile" red herring that smacked of your boy from Hawaii Kai getting involved.

Regardless, HB2528 is moving forward and open to testimony.  Please hammer it hard.   :shaka:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2528 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2528)
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: bass monkey on February 12, 2016, 07:27:19 PM
submitted testimony
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: macsak on February 12, 2016, 07:30:35 PM
Poste in Lesislative updates as well.

HB2528, a BFD to us on the Big Island to build our one and only (if you can believe that) public shooting range, is finally moving. 

Much opposition from wealthy resort and condo owners, along with Oahu interests (GK?) repeatedly tried to derail it over the last few years. 

Forced repeats of noise tests, etc.  Even one "errant projectile" red herring that smacked of your boy from Hawaii Kai getting involved.

Regardless, HB2528 is moving forward and open to testimony.  Please hammer it hard.   :shaka:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2528 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2528)

done
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: Heavies on February 12, 2016, 07:52:21 PM
'Bout time!    DONE!
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: Sodie on February 12, 2016, 08:31:53 PM
Done.  Good luck!  And if you get a no-kidding long range range, I may come visit... :shaka:
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: edster48 on February 13, 2016, 04:01:33 AM
Done!
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: Inspector on February 15, 2016, 07:15:31 AM
Done.

Been a long time coming.
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: Jl808 on February 16, 2016, 05:02:48 PM
Good news: HB2528 (Big Island Range) PASSED with AMENDMENTS by WAL committee.  EEP, FIN still need to have a hearing on this.
Bill: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2528

EEP Committee: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=EEP&year=2016 (C. Lee, HRA Rated A)
FIN Committee: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=FIN&year=2016 (Luke, HRA Rated F)
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: robtmc on February 16, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
Any way of finding out what the amendments are?

Hope they are not screwing things up.
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: bass monkey on February 17, 2016, 03:08:54 AM
I think you have to wait till the website gets updated and than it lists the amendments or you have to read through all of it
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: Jl808 on February 23, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
H 2/23/2016: Bill scheduled to be heard by FIN on Thursday, 02-25-16 1:00PM in House conference room 308.

HB2528 HD1   Shooting Facility; Hawaii Island; Appropriation   
MAKING AN APPROPRIATION FOR A SHOOTING FACILITY IN WEST HAWAII ON THE ISLAND OF HAWAII.
Appropriates funds for public outreach, planning, and an environmental impact statement for a Hawaii island public shooting facility. (HB2528 HD1)

Bill -> http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2528

Testimony in support needed by Wednesday 2-25-2016 1:00pm
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: aieahound on February 23, 2016, 04:12:14 PM
Done. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: robtmc on February 23, 2016, 06:48:56 PM
Thanks, was going to post the notice I just got about the Fininace committee hearing.  Posted my testimony. 

Environmental impact?  Tried to say in polite words that the damn thing was to be next to a landfill................... :shake:
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: robtmc on February 27, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
HB2528 passed the finance commitee, with strnuous opposition fromthe big resort and condo outfits.  Attaching the link for those that want to read some sometimes hilarious testimony in opposition. 

Even good old Mufi is still feeding at the trough, now at the head of some BS group included in opposition. 

What I found very intiguing was the voluminous copy and paste of "stray bullet" articles.  Gee, who do you think might have had that all downloaded and ready for these people?

I really liked this quote from an opposing letter:

"We are not opposed to shooting ranges in general, especially for training law enforcement personnel. 
We question somewhat supporting an activity that has been involved in so many recent tragedies
affecting scores of innocent children and citizens
.  "

Ah yes, law enforcement only, and "it is for the children".

If you really want to read this drivel:

http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001lhPrPGdhqT_5NTXtxJiI-8uErheMTP4SVWcsyQLFu-Op3mKg8GBuEljRUF7U_H5-L55ipl1Z395XM4HTyMAjZOeKoNjKc2F_0nL52LbquCZlMBVTHsDgJyQkX5F2x2E7gqMDNDU6FNvbHDYG-7SUI1ZTpHYd0rvctlcPsgMTMjah1HdSIQdLgGMKyEHzui0u0l_VkJHipK_YO6YMHk0DlgcQFuDKdGFu_KrDDsB9LRYiQ38P8ZQvwQ==&c=RlY0HikrbknxqeMhXdq4OXCQfZKY3qFfPgWoj9Uhhltpjm_owzA4Ug==&ch=E-6BMGWejM07xDKtOyzpQ2GYzGJQovcM7d_pOeUcBhiWX1byUpWe8g== (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001lhPrPGdhqT_5NTXtxJiI-8uErheMTP4SVWcsyQLFu-Op3mKg8GBuEljRUF7U_H5-L55ipl1Z395XM4HTyMAjZOeKoNjKc2F_0nL52LbquCZlMBVTHsDgJyQkX5F2x2E7gqMDNDU6FNvbHDYG-7SUI1ZTpHYd0rvctlcPsgMTMjah1HdSIQdLgGMKyEHzui0u0l_VkJHipK_YO6YMHk0DlgcQFuDKdGFu_KrDDsB9LRYiQ38P8ZQvwQ==&c=RlY0HikrbknxqeMhXdq4OXCQfZKY3qFfPgWoj9Uhhltpjm_owzA4Ug==&ch=E-6BMGWejM07xDKtOyzpQ2GYzGJQovcM7d_pOeUcBhiWX1byUpWe8g==)
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: zippz on March 03, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
Could more concerts and sporting events mean more revenue for Hawaii?
...There’s a push to create a new state agency that would be responsible for attracting major sporting and entertainment events...
“It is a right time, right place right now type of initiative and if we don’t do it now it is another year of missed opportunities,” said Hawaii Lodging and Tourism Association CEO Mufi Hannemann.
http://khon2.com/2016/03/03/could-more-concerts-and-sporting-events-mean-more-revenue-for-hawaii/ (http://khon2.com/2016/03/03/could-more-concerts-and-sporting-events-mean-more-revenue-for-hawaii/)

Hmmm, Mufi says that we have to work on attracting major sporting events right now or we'll miss the opportunity.  How ironic.
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: robtmc on March 04, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
Could more concerts and sporting events mean more revenue for Hawaii?
When the subject of bringing in tourists for major shooting competitions was brought up, comment from the usual suspects came out like :
"We don't want drunks from Missouri shooting the place up"
"We don't want that sort in our resorts"

You get the idea.
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: Jl808 on March 04, 2016, 10:25:21 AM
Mufi wants to establish another "authority" organization so that the action of that authority would be its own bureaucracy, isolated from the purview of the legislature (who are *supposed to* represent the voice of the people.)

Same thing he did with HART.
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: zippz on March 04, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
BTW, Mufi has a strong opposition to the Kona range as seen in his written testimony.
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: Gordyf on March 04, 2016, 07:16:12 PM
Glad to see my testimony made it in along with a few of us little folk.
Some heavy hitters working against it, but glad to see DNLR seems to be on board. Note I am not normally a DLNR fan.
Recreational shooters are really in the closet on the BI. Options are very limited with private land being the only
legal one.
Back in the woods and hope you don't get caught, or "zero-ing your rifle" on hunting land, no 22's or handguns as they are not "suitable for hunting" Neither of these will fly.
Puuanahulu is a perfect place. Hope it goes! The new road between Hilo and Kona will make it accessible to all.
Aloha
Gordy
Title: Re: Big Island range bill finally moving through Honoulu bureaucracy
Post by: robtmc on March 04, 2016, 07:55:23 PM
Glad to see my testimony made it in along with a few of us little folk.
Some heavy hitters working against it, but glad to see DNLR seems to be on board.
I really got a laugh out of all the "stray bullet" and "sniper rifle" cut and paste articles someone had all ready to go for the opposition stuff.  Not likely the Waikoloa resort types knew anything about all that.  They had Oahu help.

I smell 2AHawaii's favorite KHSC enemy chipping in his best effort to kill our range here.