2aHawaii
General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: punaperson on February 20, 2016, 03:11:09 PM
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I heard and read some stories in the past couple of days about how dramatic the increases have been in the past several months in applications for carry licenses throughout the United States. In Sacramento county California (a California jurisdiction with a sheriff that issues for “self defense”) the wait time has increased from one month to 10 months to process the applications. It's so dramatic that in some places government offices have opened on Saturdays, reduced or eliminated some licensing fees, and waived fees for fingerprinting and photographing.
We can only dream of that day (when licenses are issued and law enforcement is eager to help us get them). But we do have one stat in our favor: The applications for CCW licenses in the state of Hawaii increased 110% in 2015 over 2014. (Yeah, they were all denied, but still... we're kinda in the loop of what's going on in the rest of the country. Now if we could just get a committee chairperson to hold a hearing on one of the CCW bills and submit all that overwhelmingly rational testimony and evidence in favor!)
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Good luck.
We are pissin in the wind here.
Until Puerta gets resolved, we don't have a chance.
Until the top cop here is threatened,
he won't care if his soldiers clean your brains off
the street. They are animals. They just fill out the forms and
issue revenue enhancing civil citations, and get over time
going to court.
Obey them and you will die.
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Good luck.
We are pissin in the wind here.
What else can we do around here regarding the government infringing our rights?
Until Puerta gets resolved, we don't have a chance.
If you think Peruta/Richards/(Baker) will be resolved in our favor, you, my friend, are "pissin in the wind". No way Chief Judge Thomas, who wrote the dissent in the original Peruta three judge panel ruling, is going to allow himself to be reversed by the en banc panel (which he sat on, and likely called sua sponte). An extremely unlikely possibility is that the cases are remanded back down to district court to start over, which would mean another 5 to 7 years before they get denied by another 3-judge/en banc Ninth Circuit panel again. And in either case, SCOTUS hasn't taken a Second Amendment cases since 2010, and with Scalia gone, there is even a lesser chance of that happening. (If a Peruta defeat is appealed to SCOTUS, and granted cert, even with the 8 judge court, a 4-4 split would uphold the denial of Peruta, and I suspect that Kennedy and Roberts might even vote against it, 6-2). Peruta is a done deal, now or in 10 years, however long it takes. Young would follow, and I hold out a 1% chance that the open carry claim will hold up on appeal (Chief Judge Thomas argued in his Peruta dissent that open carry is the right protected by the Constitution, and that concealed carry is not Constitutionally protected and can be banned or heavily "regulated" (aka "may issue"/"no issue"). Thomas based this upon, among other things, Scalia's own language and case citations in Heller).
Until the top cop here is threatened,
he won't care if his soldiers clean your brains off
the street. They are animals. They just fill out the forms and
issue revenue enhancing civil citations, and get over time
going to court.
Obey them and you will die.
I've contacted legislators about making the police chief positions elective rather than political appointee positions, and have received no interest from any of them. We're stuck. Let's hope the wind speed is low enough that we can keep our shoes dry.