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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gordyf on October 30, 2011, 05:41:06 PM
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Did anyone read the interview with Vanessa Chong of the ACLU in Friday's paper??
Seventh question refered to the second ammendment, but the dance was on.It was not mentioned again. Seems that the only ammendments that count are the First
Fourth, and maybe the fifth where it applies to due process.
Where is this self procalimed defender of the Bill of Rights when our Second ammendments are in jeopardy? They should be our biggest resource, Loud and vocal
if they are sincere.
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I believe I read somewhere that the ACLU believes that the 2nd amendment is a group right rather then an individual right. I have no source or even a faint idea of where I read that so take it with a bucket of salt,
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I believe I read somewhere that the ACLU believes that the 2nd amendment is a group right rather then an individual right. I have no source or even a faint idea of where I read that so take it with a bucket of salt,
I think you're right, but I'm also at a loss for a source. Somebody on here (Funtimes?) said that the ACLU local chapters are semi-autonomous. IIRC, the Arizona or Nevada ACLU chapter does do Second Amendment litigation fairly regularly, or at least they have at some point.
The group right interpretation, FWIW, is the biggest load of bull shyte I've ever heard. I don't think anybody with full use of their faculties actually believes it; I think groups like the ACLU and Brady Bunch just use that excuse because it's easier to mangle the interpretation of an amendment than to repeal it. No need to change the makeup of our atmosphere and alter the properties of visible light, just yell that the sky's color is red instead of blue long enough, and a surprisingly large number of weak-minded dolts will start calling it red.
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I'm personal alright if someone wishes to interpret the 2nd Amendment as a group right, PROVIDED that they realize that once you do that you open the rest of the Bill of Rights to the same interpretation. I can't see any reason why one specific amendment would get ruled as a group right while the rest apply to individuals.
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ACLU came out after Heller and said that the Justices got it wrong. After that, many local ACLU chapters have stepped in to help gun rights. More often then not, they only get involved when it prohibits legal aliens from doing something 2A related. (From what I have seen). There are quite a few laws here ripe for the picking, and the alien thing is one of them (still need one btw!).
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Somebody on here (Funtimes?) said that the ACLU local chapters are semi-autonomous. IIRC, the Arizona or Nevada ACLU chapter does do Second Amendment litigation fairly regularly, or at least they have at some point.
I offered that observation (Nevada) as a hazy recollection at
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2103.msg18345#msg18345 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2103.msg18345#msg18345)
and apologized for its sketchiness. Others may have amplified on it or mentioned it.
In my long-ago dealings with the ACLU on a matter unrelated to firearms, I was told by them that when you submit a case for them to review, you have to "sell" them on it. They did not take the case despite my rather extensive documentation on it, so I guess I either didn't "pitch" it right, or the local staff (Colorado) just plain didn't want to mess with it.)
(You may be amused by the fact that, as usual, I was legally carrying a concealed 1911 every time I visited their office and didn't shoot the place up. They, on the other hand, would probably not have been amused had they known. :o )
Terry, 230RN