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Title: Non nfa shotguns
Post by: Seymourbutts73 on March 04, 2016, 07:07:22 PM

Anyone hear about the non nfa shotguns? You can legally put a 14" barrel on it if it never had a stock on it at anytime, just a pistol grip and must be atleast 26" overall.These are not considered shotguns by the atf. Shotguns are made to be shot from the shoulder.
What category would this fall under when I register to hpd?

Title: Re: Non nfa shotguns
Post by: Q on March 04, 2016, 08:25:15 PM

Quote from: Seymourbutts73 on March 04, 2016, 07:07:22 PM

Anyone hear about the non nfa shotguns? You can legally put a 14" barrel on it if it never had a stock on it at anytime, just a pistol grip and must be atleast 26" overall.These are not considered shotguns by the atf. Shotguns are made to be shot from the shoulder.
What category would this fall under when I register to hpd?

Not sure what category, but be prepared for a headache.



Play its safe, play it smart: call Hawaii ATF and get clarification BEFORE you even approach HPD. Make sure you provide them with any documentation proving that it is legal.

Do not listen to anyone else on the forum or at HPD firearms, as the only opinion that matters is Hawaii ATF.

If they give you the green light, politely ask if they could give that to you in an official memorandum/letter, or at the very least an email.

When you go to HPD, they will try and give you shit. Put on your biggest shit eating grin, hand them the approval from the Hawaii ATF and internally tell them to suck it, because they will go to the ATF to get clarification anyway.

Title: Re: Non nfa shotguns
Post by: suka on March 04, 2016, 11:17:34 PM

Already have one   ;)   . with ATF letter.
it is not a shotgun as its not designed to be fired from the shoulders. its a official name is a Pistol Grip Only (PGO) .
Under HRS it is a pistol. HRS does not define a shotgun!
    "Pistol" or "revolver" means any firearm of any shape with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length and capable of discharging loaded ammunition or any noxious gas.

It must have an overall length of min 26" inches under the ATF.




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Title: Re: Non nfa shotguns
Post by: suka on March 04, 2016, 11:29:11 PM

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Title: Re: Non nfa shotguns
Post by: Seymourbutts73 on March 06, 2016, 09:59:00 AM

Thanks for the replies, I will definitely check with Hawaii atf, I'll get back with you guys when I get a response.

Title: Re: Non nfa shotguns
Post by: suka on March 06, 2016, 11:24:23 PM

also here
ATF open newsletters to FFLs





https://www.atf.gov/file/56446/download (https://www.atf.gov/file/56446/download)