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General Topics => Events => Topic started by: passivekinetic on March 04, 2016, 10:21:57 PM
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OK I don't know if this has been discussed here but this is my thinking.
Let me know if I am wrong.
Whether or not you like Trump, you need to get him nominated.
The reason is this: If Trump is not the GOP nominee, he will run independent.
Then the conservative vote will be totally diluted between Trump, maybe Cruz, and all the other conservatives (not just Republican, includes Libertarian Party etc).
All this will dilute the conservative vote and give Hillary the presidency!!!
Bernie Sander is not likely to go independent if he is not the Democratic nominee.
If Hillary wins the nomination (almost certain) then pretty much every liberal is going to support her.
We need every conservative vote to be for Trump, whether we actually like him that much or not.
You can bet a Hillary presidency will see us with mandatory gun buybacks and other such stuff.
What do you guys think???? If you agree then we need to get the word out to all our peeps!
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You are probably right.
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I could possibly conceive of voting for Trump in the general election if he were the republican nominee as it might be the only chance to defeat Clinton but I will not be held hostage by Trump's threats he might go independent.
I don't think he will go independent though, he knows his chances are tiny to run as third party because of the split vote between him and the conservatives. I do like the idea of 3rd parties gaining legitimacy though.
And it is not almost certain Clinton will get the nomination. Bernie still has quite a decent chance.
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If trump doesn't get the nomination and runs independent, he is the plant that we hear about. If he truly cares about this country like he touts, he wouldn't risk a democrat win.
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If trump doesn't get the nomination and runs independent, he is the plant that we hear about. If he truly cares about this country like he touts, he wouldn't risk a democrat win.
I wonder how many voters he would really take away from a republican candidate though. I am sure he would lose some, but how much. It would certainly put the republican candidate a two front mode to fight against a democrat and steal back as many voters from Trump as possible.
Of course who is voting for Tump in the general election likely matters on who the democratic candidate is. I wonder if Trump could steal more or fewer voters from a democrat ticket depending on whether it was Sanders or Clinton.
If nothing else, this race is very interesting in terms of seeing what styles and positions might affect the voters. Will an honest democratic socialist give more votes to Trump or take them away when compared to a lying but slightly more centered democrat?
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We need to get the word out to our friends in HI and other states immediately. Even if they voted already in other states, they may have friends who have not yet.
Forcing the hand by getting him nominated for the GOP will close off that option, and it will be interesting to see what happens next.
Trump has such powerful populism support, I think that he would go independent either because he is a Shillary Plant, or he is arrogant enough to try for it.
This would especially be if he ended up losing neck to neck against Cruz. Right now he has a decent lead, but not as big a lead as Shillary versus Sanders.
For those who want to know:
Primary Elections Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95I_1rZiIs&feature=youtu.be
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If Trump gets the most delegates but fails to secure the minimum 1237 and it goes to a brokered convention, and he doesn't get the nomination, it will split the GOP. That will effectively bring about a legitimate third party. I don't think he would run against the nominee this election, but I believe he would in the next. It's obvious the GOP's base has had enough of their bs. If they continue on their present path the party will die, and Hillary will be the next POTUS.
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If Trump gets the most delegates but fails to secure the minimum 1237 and it goes to a brokered convention, and he doesn't get the nomination, it will split the GOP. That will effectively bring about a legitimate third party. I don't think he would run against the nominee this election, but I believe he would in the next. It's obvious the GOP's base has had enough of their bs. If they continue on their present path the party will die, and Hillary will be the next POTUS.
If Trump were going to run as a third party I think he would have to change up his game a little. He would have to start with different positions knowing that he would have to steal votes from both sides, not just the republicans. He could still be a loud mouth but his positions would be more temperate.
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I think if Trump loses the count he will not run as 3rd party but if he gets shafted by the GOP then he will run as an independent and divide the base.
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All the better for politics in general if the two party system is destroyed and brings actual change.
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If trump doesn't get the nomination and runs independent, he is the plant that we hear about. If he truly cares about this country like he touts, he wouldn't risk a democrat win.
If the GOP truly cared, they would be focusing their efforts on Hillary, instead of focusing on destroying their front runner.
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Fuck that! I'll vote for the most conservative candidate I want to be President, not some rich former democrat, who's going take his toys and go home if he doesn't get his way!
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For gun rights only, Ted Cruz would be the best choice.
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Cruz gains steam
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cruz-wins-kansas-caucuses-gains-momentum-on-super-saturday/2016/03/05/e4fb0c00-e302-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
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Trump was for the original assault weapons ban and while he has had a modern conversion I don't know if it is legitimate or merely a pander for votes .... I am on the fence between the 3 trump Cruz rubio and wanting rubio personally but I don't think he has a chance. Love Cruz on gun rights but I believe if he gets elected it will be 4 -8 years of gridlock even if the Senate and house stay with the Republicans. And trump I think his real politics would be closers to Bloomberg.... God I hope I am wrong but thats what I believe based on his past interviews and his views in his books.
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All the better for politics in general if the two party system is destroyed and brings actual change.
Yes! i don't know why you have to label yourself as a democrat or a republican to get any traction......
Fuck that! I'll vote for the most conservative candidate I want to be President, not some rich former democrat, who's going take his toys and go home if he doesn't get his way!
Agreed. Anyone who runs with Chuck Schumer is an enemy of freedom as far as I'm concerned. That includes the tape player "foolio".
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I wonder who Trump will pick as a running mate. It might make a huge difference. Carson would make sense on many levels but I am not sure if Carson would be willing to work with Trump.
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the GOP is a dying party clinging to some very obtuse ideas, Trump's popularity only shows proof of that. It's past time people own up to failed policies and terrible platforms that have no business with anything that concerns a nation that is supposedly based on the principles of freedom and liberty.
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The problem is that nobody really knows where Trump stands. He's proven he'll say anything and is capable to floating to both sides of any given issue depending on which way the wind is blowing. I think a lot of his followers are going to be sorely disappointed, and that might lead to the rise of some truly terrifying future candidates when the rage factor kicks in. On the other hand both parties are on the ropes right now as the electorate has clearly given up on them, and that's a good thing in itself. It would be very cool if the next time around we get more than two and a half choices. America has a lot more facets to it than "A, B, or Other".
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If the GOP truly cared, they would be focusing their efforts on Hillary, instead of focusing on destroying their front runner.
Got that right!
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The problem is that nobody really knows where Trump stands. He's proven he'll say anything and is capable to floating to both sides of any given issue depending on which way the wind is blowing. I think a lot of his followers are going to be sorely disappointed, and that might lead to the rise of some truly terrifying future candidates when the rage factor kicks in. On the other hand both parties are on the ropes right now as the electorate has clearly given up on them, and that's a good thing in itself. It would be very cool if the next time around we get more than two and a half choices. America has a lot more facets to it than "A, B, or Other".
They way I see it: the US is going to shit, and I would rather see a clown show than a dictatorship.
No one believed in Reagan, the establishment didn't want some movie star running the country or their party, and he turned out to be one of the greatest Republican presidents ever.
Donald Trump may not be a die hard Republican, but whatever he is will be better than hillary.
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Got that right!
maybe they think Hillary would be easier to beat than Bernie?
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They way I see it: the US is going to shit, and I would rather see a clown show than a dictatorship.
No one believed in Reagan, the establishment didn't want some movie star running the country or their party, and he turned out to be one of the greatest Republican presidents ever.
Donald Trump may not be a die hard Republican, but whatever he is will be better than hillary.
Reagan ended up being moderate in some ways though. He wasn't a die hard conservative the whole time or about everything.
I don't think the GOP is imploding or the US going to crap... Ok, well in some ways.
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Many good points made here and some are even admirable but not many are actually practical.
While in principle one should vote for the candidate one feels most worthy of the presidency, that is not the choice here.
Lots of people voted for Ron Paul. What was the result?
The strategy here is to block Hillary from the presidency. It's not even so much as a pro-Trump strategy.
The choices we have are Clinton, Trump or (maybe) Cruz.
Anything else is silly and a waste of a vote. In principle I would love to vote for the Libertarian Party. Is that going to make a difference this year?
Here's a reminder of Hillary's position from news today:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-sanders-poised-for-showdown-in-city-reeling-under-a-lead-water-crisis/2016/03/06/eb3b67b4-e17b-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
Hillary Clinton called for ending the gun show loophole during Sunday night’s Democratic debate, and criticized Sen. Bernie Sanders for his position against holding gun manufacturers legally liable following mass shootings.
“I voted against giving them immunity, but I think we should very seriously move to repeal that,” she said.
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For gun rights I would like to see Ted and Ted for POTUS and VPOTUS.
Ted Cruz and Ted Nugent. A gun lovers dream come true. I think if it came down to a Trump and Cruz battle, Cruz would get the nomination.
Anybody would be better than Hillary.
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If Hillary is the one your worried about beating. Vote Cruz!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html
A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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This is not the general election, this is the primary election/caucus. I will vote for who I like best, that is what the primary election is for.
I will adhere to principles for the primary election. If we let someone hold us hostage on threats he will leave the party then we empower him, and others, to do it over and over again.
This discussion is really for the general election, not for now.
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I'm sorry but you are not correct there. This discussion is specifically for the primary, and I have outlined the reasons in the opening post.
Again, I agree the position is admirable to vote for who you want but the FACTS do not support any other notion or option out there.
I thought only democrats are supposed to be idealistic and conservatives are the practical ones?
If you look at the current results of the primary you will see what I am talking about. We have no choices except the ones I reiterated.
Just type "primary 2016" into Google and it will show you the current race results.
Anyway this discussion will be moot after the nominees are picked.
Then we just vote for whoever has the strongest lead against Clinton. That could be Trump. Again, being practical, instead of idealistic.
If Trump didn't have such strong support we don't need to even consider this. But he does. That's a ton of votes.
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http://gophawaii.com/?page_id=822
info on GOP caucus
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I thought only democrats are supposed to be idealistic and conservatives are the practical ones?
Nominating McCain and Romney were only "practical" if the goal was to elect a Democratic president. In that sense, they were successful in their practicality.
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If you're a Republican, our primary is the only time our vote counts in this state and I'll be damned if I'm going to vote for someone I don't believe in. Every single delegate counts at this point and if my vote and the votes of other principled individuals leads to my candidate getting that single delegate then I've done my job.
The general election is the time for uniting around a party candidate and if it turns out to be Trump I'll begrudgingly do it. I'll even put a "Trump 2016, because my guy lost the primary..." bumper sticker on my car next to the "Trump 2016, still a better love story than Twilight" bumper sticker.
Rubio and Kasich should drop out and let the real candidates battle for the nomination.....
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I'm sorry but you are not correct there. This discussion is specifically for the primary, and I have outlined the reasons in the opening post.
Again, I agree the position is admirable to vote for who you want but the FACTS do not support any other notion or option out there.
I thought only democrats are supposed to be idealistic and conservatives are the practical ones?
If you look at the current results of the primary you will see what I am talking about. We have no choices except the ones I reiterated.
Just type "primary 2016" into Google and it will show you the current race results.
Anyway this discussion will be moot after the nominees are picked.
Then we just vote for whoever has the strongest lead against Clinton. That could be Trump. Again, being practical, instead of idealistic.
If Trump didn't have such strong support we don't need to even consider this. But he does. That's a ton of votes.
I don't accept your premise that Trump will form his own party if he loses the primary election.
Conservatism is absolutely based on ideals. Is the bill of rights just important when it is practical?
Trump's lead has gotten smaller by the way.
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Well good. I hope Trump really does NOT go independent.
We will see.
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If you're a Republican, our primary is the only time our vote counts in this state and I'll be damned if I'm going to vote for someone I don't believe in. Every single delegate counts at this point and if my vote and the votes of other principled individuals leads to my candidate getting that single delegate then I've done my job.
The general election is the time for uniting around a party candidate and if it turns out to be Trump I'll begrudgingly do it. I'll even put a "Trump 2016, because my guy lost the primary..." bumper sticker on my car next to the "Trump 2016, still a better love story than Twilight" bumper sticker.
Rubio and Kasich should drop out and let the real candidates battle for the nomination.....
I agree with the others dropping out. But actually this contravenes what you just wrote, which is that every principled individual counts and so in fact none of them should drop out.
In fact, saying that the laggards should drop out, is basically the same as my strategy of getting Trump nominated.
But anyway, yes, my concern is primarily the threat of Trump going independent. I just wanted a strategy that made sure to not allow him to dilute the conservative votes in exactly such a manner. (i.e., force upon them a Republican presidency, not so much a Trump one).
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Trump won two more states today.
Now at 428 delegates, versus Cruz at 315.
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End of discussion. Trump won HI. This difficult decision is now done with haha.
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Well that was disappointing. There are a lot of primary elections left though. If Rubio gets out early enough then Cruz can probably beat Trump, especially if Kasich leaves.
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Trump won two more states today.
Now at 428 delegates, versus Cruz at 315.
If he gets ohio and Florida, its game over for the cruz, rubio and kasich.
None of them have a chance in ny, nj, pa or ca
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If he gets ohio and Florida, its game over for the cruz, rubio and kasich.
None of them have a chance in ny, nj, pa or ca
I'm surprised CA would vote Trump, given all the mainstream media and Hollywood hit pieces. Of course, those are aimed at liberals who would not vote conservative anyway.
Rubio is actually pretty smart. My "dream team" would be Cruz as president, Trump as Veep, Rubio as either SecState or SecDef.
But anyway, Trump has to be the nominee, if we are going to beat Hillary.
All the liberals are foaming at the mouth now that Trump is getting closer and closer to be the nominee.
I read that tons of (legal) immigrants are getting citizenship (some after procrastinating for 20+ years) just to vote for the Dems.
So, voter turnout this year could be a historical high.
If your buddies ask why they should vote Republican, ask them if they want to demolish ISIS or not, and take out the drug lords camped on CONUS.
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But anyway, Trump has to be the nominee, if we are going to beat Hillary.
Not according to this latest poll (and other past polls have shown the same thing).
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/09/nbcwsj-poll-clinton-sanders-demolish-trump-in-general-election/
Excerpt:
"Last night, Donald Trump called on Republicans to unite behind him and declared that only he could defeat Hillary Clinton. A new NBC/WSJ poll out this morning disputes that claim — although the general election is still a long way off. Trump loses to both Hillary and Bernie Sanders by double-digit margins in this sample of 1200 registered voters, but Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz look much more competitive."
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Another poll, by other firms/sponsors also claimed the Clinton was up 17% over Sanders in Michigan a day before the primary there. Sanders won by 1.5% (but got fewer delegates, go figure). So polling is, well, sometimes very inaccurate. As are people's opinions.
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Well, I'm not sure that poll takes into account the possibility of Trump stealing votes away from Cruz, if Trump goes independent.
That's the big concern.
Anyway out of our hands now. Let's see who gets nominated.
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Thanks to all who showed up and voted yesterday.
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Fox News Poll has Trump Topping Clinton
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/18/fox-news-poll-trump-tops-clinton-both-seen-as-deeply-flawed-candidates.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Enjoy!
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Maybe this helped.
Keep sharing it with your friends!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/hillary-clinton-lying-for-13-minutes-straight-vide/
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I'm just wondering why people here support trump. Because he will get rid of Isis and terrorists in the US is not valid since he has not laid out any reasonable plan to do this. Just saying you're going to bomb the hell out of them is not a strategy. Sure being on the Republican ticket, he probably is more pro 2nd amendment than the dems but are you really going to vote for commander in chief of the US based on 1 policy? At that, it's 1 policy that you aren't even really sure that he supports since trump changes his mind all the time. My thoughts are that he is an unreliable loose cannon that is unpredictable and most likely running for his own selfish gains. Those assuming that a Clinton presidency will lead to mandatory gun buybacks...didn't they say the same thing about Obama?
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The biggest thing Trump has going is he is strong in economics. I'd rate the economy and debt as higher priorities than defense. If the nation has no money to pay the military, then there is no military.
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The biggest thing Trump has going is he is strong in economics. I'd rate the economy and debt as higher priorities than defense. If the nation has no money to pay the military, then there is no military.
How is he strong in economics? I believe his comprehension of international macroeconomics is limited and his temperament makes it downright dangerous. If you believe is he an excellent business man then you need to delve deeper into his business activities. He consistently touts his wealth and his business acumen with little substation except "i'm doing very well."
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In my opinion there is more to all this than just supporting one policy. He has actually come out with a few policies on his website. I agree with most of what he proposes. I still would not normally vote for him. But I will because he will be the Republican candidate. Not because of his policies. It does scare me that we don't know what he is going to be like when he gets in office. I will vote for him because I would rather take a chance with him than to vote for that lying, criminal, murderer Hilary or the known Socialist Bernie. We already know what Hilary and Bernie are going to do if either one gets into office. She and Bernie ARE that bad that I feel the need to take the chance with Trump hopefully to change the direction this country is going in with a Democrat president. It really is a matter of all of the Democrat policies that I despise that puts me into the position of wanting to take a chance with Trump. Everyone says at least Hilary and Bernie are known entities. We know what they are going to do. And that is the point in all of this. We know what they are going to do. We got a taste of it with our current president. We know they will continue with the direction we are currently going. Or worse if Bernie gets in IMHO. So that is why I am going to vote for Trump. Not because he is great, but because the other choice is really really that BAD. JMHO
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...Those assuming that a Clinton presidency will lead to mandatory gun buybacks...didn't they say the same thing about Obama?
If my memory is correct, and in this case I believe it is, the Democrats with their usual lies (including Barrack Hussein Obama) that Obama is not coming for our guns and that he won't even try to enact any type of gun control. Well we know by recent history that was all lies. He tried quite a bit to enact some forms of gun control. So from my memory, that is what they said and lied about. Like everyone else here, we cannot predict the future. We don't know if Hilary is going to enact gun buy backs. If she says she is going to then I take her at her word. If she says she is not I won't believe her because her actions and words in the past are just the opposite. The problem with Barrack Hussein Obama was that he was not around long enough for us to know exactly how he was going to act. Very much like Trump. So anyone who voted for Barrack Hussein Obama and says they won't vote for Trump because of the unknown and how the will act is being a hypocrite because Barrack Hussein Obama had little more experience than Trump when he was elected. JMHO
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If my memory is correct, and in this case I believe it is, the Democrats with their usual lies (including Barrack Hussein Obama) that Obama is not coming for our guns and that he won't even try to enact any type of gun control. Well we know by recent history that was all lies. He tried quite a bit to enact some forms of gun control. So from my memory, that is what they said and lied about. Like everyone else here, we cannot predict the future. We don't know if Hilary is going to enact gun buy backs. If she says she is going to then I take her at her word. If she says she is not I won't believe her because her actions and words in the past are just the opposite. The problem with Barrack Hussein Obama was that he was not around long enough for us to know exactly how he was going to act. Very much like Trump. So anyone who voted for Barrack Hussein Obama and says they won't vote for Trump because of the unknown and how the will act is being a hypocrite because Barrack Hussein Obama had little more experience than Trump when he was elected. JMHO
What Obama did is up for interpretation. Technically, he can't enact any gun control laws, that is done by the power of Congress but he does hold great influence on what his party attempts to pass through the House and Senate. After several mass shootings he did push for universal background checks and several other measures that were immediately stripped from any bill. Whether you interpret Universal Background Checks as a from of gun control is also up for debate. Anything that was voted on was crushed in both houses of Congress. In fact, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a gun control advocacy group, graded Obama with an F for his stance on gun control.
True, that Obama was relatively new to politics but I don't believe a vote for him is akin to voting for the unknown Trump. Obama made some policies clear on what he was pushing for. And yes, with any politician, he reversed course on some when he entered office and those are pinned as his lies (e.g. healthcare reform). But Trump isn't just unknown he's unpredictable. He policies change from day to day. I'll admit that I am guilty of not reading the policies on his website, but my concern is what's the point? What I read as his policy could change the very next day depending on who's he giving a speech to.
I'm not advocating anyone vote for Hilary if you don't like her policies, I don't like her either. I just can't stand trump. He's an egotistical, misogynistic ass that does whatever he wants. He's beholden to no principles or ethics. Him running for president has already given the US a worse image in the world, let alone if he wins. I can't imagine feeding someone's ego further by giving him the presidency. But that's just my opinion. I have no idea who to vote for. I'm just real curious why people here support Trump.
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True, that Obama was relatively new to politics but I don't believe a vote for him is akin to voting for the unknown Trump. Obama made some policies clear on what he was pushing for. And yes, with any politician, he reversed course on some when he entered office and those are pinned as his lies (e.g. healthcare reform).
his lies are pinned to him?
not even
the press and all the left/progressives and even much of the middle are still in awe of the great black/white hope
just like benghazi and the server are not pinned to hillary
:wtf:
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I just can't stand trump. He's an egotistical, misogynistic ass that does whatever he wants. He's beholden to no principles or ethics. Him running for president has already given the US a worse image in the world, let alone if he wins. I can't imagine feeding someone's ego further by giving him the presidency. But that's just my opinion. I have no idea who to vote for. I'm just real curious why people here support Trump.
take out the word "misogynistic" and replace "trump" with "obama" and those are words ring true with many here
a couple of the best descriptions i have heard about the president are "intellectually lazy" and "everything is awesome!"
just think of those phrases whenever you think about the president making a speech or a decision
one i applied myself in reference to the golden child is "bitter beer face"
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What Obama did is up for interpretation. Technically, he can't enact any gun control laws, that is done by the power of Congress but he does hold great influence on what his party attempts to pass through the House and Senate. After several mass shootings he did push for universal background checks and several other measures that were immediately stripped from any bill. Whether you interpret Universal Background Checks as a from of gun control is also up for debate. Anything that was voted on was crushed in both houses of Congress. In fact, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a gun control advocacy group, graded Obama with an F for his stance on gun control.
on many issues, not only gun control, his excellency tried to evade congress by issuing executive orders
all the while crying that the R's "don't want to compromise"
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Look, I get that a lot of people on here don't like Obama. I'm not trying to debate his failures or policies. That would take a whole different thread. My curiosity is really trump. Heck, Trump may turn out to be the most anti-gun president ever. You never know....
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Le'ts say you got some terrible illness and you are going to die in maybe a few years.
The doctor gives you 4 types of pills to take:
Clinton: You will die sooner, and then your friends will die too but a bit later
Sanders: You will die sooner and everyone you know will die along with you at the same time
Independent Pill: Nothing happens, whether you take it or not, and your illness is not cured
Trump: Doctor says this one has a chance to work and save your life but no guarantees
Which one you gonna take?
By the way, the Doc said there are other pills that are guaranteed to cure you immediately, but they stopped making them because people weren't buying them (people are generally ignorant). So you can't buy them anymore.
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I'm just wondering why people here support trump. Because he will get rid of Isis and terrorists in the US is not valid since he has not laid out any reasonable plan to do this. Just saying you're going to bomb the hell out of them is not a strategy. Sure being on the Republican ticket, he probably is more pro 2nd amendment than the dems but are you really going to vote for commander in chief of the US based on 1 policy? At that, it's 1 policy that you aren't even really sure that he supports since trump changes his mind all the time. My thoughts are that he is an unreliable loose cannon that is unpredictable and most likely running for his own selfish gains. Those assuming that a Clinton presidency will lead to mandatory gun buybacks...didn't they say the same thing about Obama?
I will vote trump for your very reason you are hesitant. I'll take "you never know" over guarantee loss of our rights..... His wild card unpredictability is a advantage in all areas of concern, IMO. That will give people, even our enemies, a pause. This country needs a change, and that is exactly what he is, a huge departure from the status quo politics.
Every one who attempts to protect the status quo hates him...
1. media
2. democrats
3. republicans
He must be doing something right....
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I'm just wondering why people here support trump. Because he will get rid of Isis and terrorists in the US is not valid since he has not laid out any reasonable plan to do this. Just saying you're going to bomb the hell out of them is not a strategy. Sure being on the Republican ticket, he probably is more pro 2nd amendment than the dems but are you really going to vote for commander in chief of the US based on 1 policy? At that, it's 1 policy that you aren't even really sure that he supports since trump changes his mind all the time. My thoughts are that he is an unreliable loose cannon that is unpredictable and most likely running for his own selfish gains. Those assuming that a Clinton presidency will lead to mandatory gun buybacks...didn't they say the same thing about Obama?
You may be underestimating or even overlooking the effect that millions of people had on Obama, to cause a DELAY on the buyback. There were countless actions taken, including buying tons of guns and ammo (they called it the Obama stimulus), tons of media articles, posts, YouTubes, etc. etc. etc. and that could have given the administration pause.
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The only reason why we are not all armed with butter knives because of obama is that we controlled congress and the house. Now if shillery wins the bid and there is ANY change in the house or congress you can bet its all over for us.
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Wow, I'm sorry I asked. This is a lot of hyperbole and assumption on what the left candidates will do. I'm checking out of this thread. Thanks for the insight. Btw, a lot of people don't like trump just because he's an ass, not because of his policies, which again, are none.
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Wow, I'm sorry I asked. This is a lot of hyperbole and assumption on what the left candidates will do. I'm checking out of this thread. Thanks for the insight. Btw, a lot of people don't like trump just because he's an ass, not because of his policies, which again, are none.
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It's been a year since your last post.
Why don't you introduce yourself?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=4.0
Tell us whatever happened to that idea of shooting practice in kalihi?
Did you ever go to the hdf fun shoots and meet the guys?
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Wow, I'm sorry I asked. This is a lot of hyperbole and assumption on what the left candidates will do. I'm checking out of this thread. Thanks for the insight. Btw, a lot of people don't like trump just because he's an ass, not because of his policies, which again, are none.
Wow, that's your prerogative, don't think anyone interjected any 'hyperbole' nor 'assumptions' here... The Left is pretty clear about what they will do to 2A, more honest about it that ever before.
A leader can be an ass, if he leads to the betterment of the goal. Being an ass and taking the lead, one has nothing to do with the other. A nice word before you plunge off a cliff doesn't do much good.
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Wow, I'm sorry I asked. This is a lot of hyperbole and assumption on what the left candidates will do. I'm checking out of this thread. Thanks for the insight. Btw, a lot of people don't like trump just because he's an ass, not because of his policies, which again, are none.
He has no policies, you are saying?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-top-priorities-gun-control-and-immigration-reform-could-she-deliver-on-either/2016/05/01/b134c3f0-0e1a-11e6-a6b6-2e6de3695b0e_story.html
With Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton’s campaign turning fully toward the general election, the candidate is speaking in increasingly strong terms about immediately tackling one of her party’s most challenging domestic policy goals: gun control.
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Those assuming that a Clinton presidency will lead to mandatory gun buybacks...didn't they say the same thing about Obama?
(http://i.imgur.com/3UwUaw2.gif)
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Enjoy!
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Enjoy!
Funny but it made me grimace a bit. LOL
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Enjoy!
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Good one :thumbsup: