Post by: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 08:24:51 AM
Positives:
Great Staff
Shooters who embody the aloha spirit
Free
Parking(Lots of it)
Low cost for pistol shooting
Negatives:
5 round limit on magazines
No quick follow up for shots
Range length
Overall I would recommend this range for all my civilian friends and military guys looking to zero, but I will continue to do most of.my shooting at puu'loa or kbay due to no mag limitation, follow up shots and able to push the gun out to 600+. This is in way a bad review about khsc as I would give it 4/5 stars and enjoyed my time at the range, just wasnt for me.
Post by: zippz on March 27, 2016, 11:07:04 AM
Compared to the mainland ranges, I'd give it a 3. Positives are the different activities that can be done in one place.
Post by: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 11:40:16 AM
Post by: zippz on March 27, 2016, 12:09:47 PM
At least we got a range though compared to the neighbor islands. And I agree with all of you're positive and negative points.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-A6zERn6yo
Post by: aieahound on March 27, 2016, 12:31:26 PM
Petition our mayor And governor for a new or improved range.
But we need a couple thousand of our 3000+ members petitioning.
Might rain on our BI boys parade though as they've been tryin to get one for a while.
Got close but assholes from resort community are making a big stink using knudnuts ridiculous arguments.
I don't know how funding would go for two new ranges in the State.
Asshole, I mean ignorant, Knudsen made it like the landfill.
No one wants it in their backyard.
You willing to organize it Zippz ?
Anyone else ?
It's a great idea but great members need to step up to the plate.
( I'm not willing to organize it but I'll help out)
Post by: ren on March 27, 2016, 12:38:52 PM
Maybe that's the next move.
Petition our mayor And governor for a new or improved range.
But we need a couple thousand of our 3000+ members petitioning.
Might rain on our BI boys parade though as they've been tryin to get one for a while.
Got close but assholes from resort community are making a big stink using knudnuts ridiculous arguments.
I don't know how funding would go for two new ranges in the State.
Asshole, I mean ignorant, Knudsen made it like the landfill.
No one wants it in their backyard.
You willing to organize it Zippz ?
Anyone else ?
It's a great idea but great members need to step up to the plate.
( I'm not willing to organize it but I'll help out)
I surmise that he is adopting a business model like Al Sharpton. Getting rewards for testifying against any firearms related activities.
On a related issue. Its amusing that we have so many dog parks but dog owners still use nearby parks to let their dogs roam. Example is the one in Mililani Mauka. Witha dog park next door, dog owners let their dogs loose on the neighboring baseball field. There are more dog parks and skate parks than a firearms range despite the number of gun owners we have in this island. We are still marginalized out of illogical fear that we cause crime out of regards that we go through an arduous background check in addition to federal reqs. I think we are more responsible than others who have successfully got parks built.
Post by: aieahound on March 27, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
We should take this bull by the horns on exactly Ren's points expanded.
Waiting list at the range, no long range shooting for rifles, no close range shooting for pistols, safety record (extremely safe), number of enthusiasts, record numbers of permits and registrations, etc.
Then get our 2000 signatures.
In part, that's exactly what the gun show membership drive (and old member chats) was about.
Getting members of the community involved.
Post by: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 12:55:58 PM
Post by: ren on March 27, 2016, 02:13:25 PM
Post by: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 02:15:09 PM
Post by: Gordyf on March 27, 2016, 04:35:15 PM
It is like everything else in our beautiful State.
If we clean house in the Legislature and City council...
As long as we keep voting the same old folks in we should not be surprised.
Worse than trying to organize commercial fishermen.
A real, or range in central Oahu is only a pipe dream with the politicians we got now.
Sacramento is looking pretty good again.
Even California sorta understands.
Aloha
Post by: Sodie on March 27, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Anybody know of any good indoor ranges open during the week?
Went to Honolulu Firearms and Range on Saturday (they're also open 10-6, Tues-Fri, 940 Queen Street). It's small (four lanes, 15 yards max) and they have VERY limited parking. Staff was professional, courteous, and helpful. $15 range fee, MUST use their ammunition (which was priced high, but not insanely so; 50 round box of Winchester "white box" .357 Sig FMJ was $29). Several different kinds of targets available there, or bring your own. Overall good experience, I'd go back. Don't go to their website, it's been hacked... Google warns you and my security software wouldn't let the site load.
X-Ring in Waipahu is in the final final stages of getting their new range ready. I'm excited about that one because it will be convenient to my house... As I understand it, they're waiting for the final utility connection from HECO; maybe SpeedTek can chime in with an update.
As far as Koko Head is concerned, it's certainly not ideal, but the price is right. I know it's taxpayer funded, but if the range shut down tomorrow, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't see a difference in my taxes. Would I like to see another public range in central Oahu? Absolutely. Do I think it will ever happen? No. Certainly not with our current governmental representation.
What i'd really like is somewhere to set up action/combat/practical/IPSC/call-it-what-you-like drills for practice, and practice them realistically (draw from a holster, move and shoot). Hey, I can dream, can't I?
Post by: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 09:06:23 PM
Post by: Bota-CS1 on March 28, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
Yeah and thats where koko head fails no pistol from holster, no quick follow up shots, and no area to move and shoot not a big deal for military but the 2A community it doesnt allow realistic training
If you joined up with any of the clubs such as LIFE, HRA, HDF, MPPL, or Practical Shooters you could... :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on March 28, 2016, 07:51:09 AM
If you joined up with any of the clubs such as LIFE, HRA, HDF, MPPL, or Practical Shooters you could... :thumbsup:One of the main reasons why I got started with MPPL and HPS is that it allowed shooting on the move and basically something more than offered on the bullseye and silhouette ranges.
With regards to training, there are limited options available on-island for what Madosi appears to be looking for or at least mentioning. The options that are available can be pricey, especially for structured courses. Seems like many of us have taken the initiative to pursue courses off-island. I too wish that there were more opportunities for that type of training here, but the available land for that is so limited here.
But hey, I'm going to Vegas next month. If I hit it big, I'll buy up some land and open a range! :thumbsup:
Don't hold your breath fellas. . . . :crazy:
Post by: oldfart on March 28, 2016, 09:52:27 AM
If you joined up with any of the clubs such as LIFE, HRA, HDF, MPPL, or Practical Shooters you could... :thumbsup:==========
Yep, every weekend there are many opportunities to do action-style shooting at KHSC.
You just have to join a club. It's not formal training, but you can still learn a lot, make new friends and the price is right.
Post by: GZire on March 28, 2016, 01:41:40 PM
For the pistol, they could just remove the benches on one half of the range and remove the 25/50yd berms to allow you to place your own target stands and shoot from different positions & holsters.I wouldn't even give it a 3/5, more like a 2.
Compared to the mainland ranges, I'd give it a 3. Positives are the different activities that can be done in one place.
Zippz compared to mainland ranges or the military ranges on island it's easy to put down khsc but it is a good range by hawaii standardsIMHO I must disagree on this........it's not good compared to Hawaii standards. We only have 1 public range as far as I know there are no other public ranges. From that standpoint it pretty much sucks. For all intents and purposes the range has not changed in the nearly 30 years since I first went there.
Heck Ren was just complaining in a thread about how the C&C can't even keep the toilets running and stocked properly. There is a pretty massive yearly budget allocated to this and the other parks in the area and none of them, I repeat none of them is properly cared for. Makes one wonder where the money is going every year..................
Post by: macsak on March 28, 2016, 02:24:03 PM
I wouldn't even give it a 3/5, more like a 2.
IMHO I must disagree on this........it's not good compared to Hawaii standards. We only have 1 public range as far as I know there are no other public ranges. From that standpoint it pretty much sucks. For all intents and purposes the range has not changed in the nearly 30 years since I first went there.
Heck Ren was just complaining in a thread about how the C&C can't even keep the toilets running and stocked properly. There is a pretty massive yearly budget allocated to this and the other parks in the area and none of them, I repeat none of them is properly cared for. Makes one wonder where the money is going every year..................
believe me, it's worse than that
after the cleanup was canceled after being approved in late 2013, jl808 and i have made TWO applications to adopt KHSC
one in 2014, and one in 2015 just days after mayor caldwell's state of the city address where he stated that the city would seek out private-puiblic partnerships because parks are his priority
we weren't even turned down, we were ignored
:grrr:
and mind you, the cleanup and the adopt-a-parks would have been totally FREE to the city and county
:wtf:
Post by: pantyhamster on March 28, 2016, 02:44:48 PM
believe me, it's worse than that
after the cleanup was canceled after being approved in late 2013, jl808 and i have made TWO applications to adopt KHSC
one in 2014, and one in 2015 just days after mayor caldwell's state of the city address where he stated that the city would seek out private-puiblic partnerships because parks are his priority
we weren't even turned down, we were ignored
:grrr:
and mind you, the cleanup and the adopt-a-parks would have been totally FREE to the city and county
:wtf:
Can spell H G E A? It's an acronym for L A Z Y.
Can't do anything to take work away from them even though they do as little as possible.
Post by: aieahound on March 28, 2016, 02:58:13 PM
We should take this bull by the horns on exactly Ren's points expanded.
Waiting list at the range, no long range shooting for rifles, no close range shooting for pistols, safety record (extremely safe), number of enthusiasts, record numbers of permits and registrations, etc.
Then get our 2000 signatures.
In part, that's exactly what the gun show membership drive (and old member chats) was about.
Getting members of the community involved.
HDF, HRA, LIFE run point on this and let's get something done.
Easy enough to get the word out on 2A Hawaii for the rest of the cast of characters.
Post by: macsak on March 28, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
HDF, HRA, LIFE run point on this and let's get something done.
Easy enough to get the word out on 2A Hawaii for the rest of the cast of characters.
hound, look three posts up
we've tried three times already
unless someone has an in with the mayor, it ain't going anywhere
and he is not taking calls/emails/letters from anyone in the 2a community
Post by: Hawaii On Target on March 28, 2016, 03:35:51 PM
Post by: macsak on March 28, 2016, 03:42:09 PM
Rumor has it that the Mayor is pro-gun, a hunter and a shooter. Maybe we need to find a way to circumvent the "gate keeper" and get straight to the source.
not a rumor, he as taken his family to the range in the past
if anyone has an in with mayor caldwell, i would like the info
Post by: ren on March 28, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
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Post by: aieahound on March 28, 2016, 04:23:52 PM
hound, look three posts up
we've tried three times already
unless someone has an in with the mayor, it ain't going anywhere
and he is not taking calls/emails/letters from anyone in the 2a community
Have we gotten 2000 signatures and submitted them with one of the tries ?
This is like herding cats.
We've got over 3000 members. That does not include HRA, LIFE and HDF members not on here.
And we can't get anything together ?
P.s. I appreciate your efforts though Mac and JL :shaka:
Post by: macsak on March 28, 2016, 04:24:39 PM
So who is this gatekeeper?
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lol
any day you get to make a ghostbusters reference is a good day
:thumbsup:
Post by: Hawaii On Target on March 28, 2016, 05:11:53 PM
So who is this gatekeeper?
(http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_299,w_726/t_mp_quality/screen-shot-2015-02-06-at-3-42-00-pm-whatever-happened-to-rick-moranis-honey-i-love-my-kids-png-251769/whatever-happened-to-rick-moranis-honey-i-love-my-kids-251769.jpg)
There are several, and I know how to circumvent just about all of 'um. :thumbsup:
Post by: GZire on March 28, 2016, 05:34:12 PM
not a rumor, he as taken his family to the range in the past
if anyone has an in with mayor caldwell, i would like the info
HRA should have the in. I've personally had some discussions (on this board, not face to face) with at least one HRA higher up who swore Caldwell was pro 2A. I told him that was not the case.
I think that I've been proven correct in that I was right.
As far as visiting the range that doesn't prove squat. There's pictures of a smiling Gabby Giffords and her hubby at a range and look how that turned out.
Post by: ren on March 28, 2016, 06:12:43 PM
lol
any day you get to make a ghostbusters reference is a good day
:thumbsup:
(http://m.memegen.com/x30oa4.jpg)
Post by: ren on March 28, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
Heck Ren was just complaining in a thread about how the C&C can't even keep the toilets running and stocked properly. There is a pretty massive yearly budget allocated to this and the other parks in the area and none of them, I repeat none of them is properly cared for. Makes one wonder where the money is going every year..................I wasn't complaining. Things break. Shi!t happens. Posted as a warning. I go #2 often. So imagine my predicament. I'm not Caitlyn.
On another note about $$$. Here it is!
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Post by: dustoff003 on March 28, 2016, 06:55:07 PM
please share
There are several, and I know how to circumvent just about all of 'um. :thumbsup:
Post by: Sodie on March 28, 2016, 07:40:58 PM
If you joined up with any of the clubs such as LIFE, HRA, HDF, MPPL, or Practical Shooters you could... :thumbsup:
I get out there with MPPL and HPS whenever I can, but work schedule gets in the way... One of these days, I'll get out to an HDF range day and see what that's all about.
Don't get me wrong, I love shooting matches, and I've met a bunch of great people, but matches aren't practice. And shooting bullseyes at 25 yards may be practice, but it gets old pretty quick. I listen to shooting podcasts and hear guys talking about how they went to an action bay at a local range and worked on El Prez or Bill Drills or whatnot for a few hundred rounds, and I turn green with envy...
Speaking of upkeep at KHSC, was shooting on the pistol side one day, and as I broke a shot, a piece of lumber from the sunshade came loose and fell to the ground... startled me a bit. I looked over at the RO as if to say "I didn't shoot it!" He said "Don't worry. That happens pretty regularly." :(
Post by: oldfart on March 28, 2016, 08:01:55 PM
For the pistol, they could just remove the benches on one half of the range and remove the 25/50yd berms to allow you to place your own target stands and shoot from different positions & holsters....
Compared to the mainland ranges, I'd give it a 3. Positives are the different activities that can be done in one place.
The conventional pistol range was built for nra 2700 style competition.
I love the shooting bench. It's convenient and the covered range is a great place to relax.
The best thing that should be done to improve the pistol range is to poke some pipes into the ground at 10 and 15 yds.
Not for close up holster excerises, but for beginners. It's easier to see the pukas and boosts morale of the newbie.
I cannot advocate holster work on the bullseye range. Take a look upwards and see all those holes in the overhead baffles?
Imagine all the negligent discharges from newbies trying out their new quick draw kydex rig.
Post by: ren on March 28, 2016, 08:09:08 PM
Post by: yurcarmeean on March 28, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
The original image was screenshotted from Google Maps.
Seymour Smith Recreational Park in Omaha, Nebraska.
I used to play disc golf here in college. Could easily hear buckshot blasts on the disc golf course.
Notice how close the skeet range is located to the adjacent scrap yard.
Notice how close the other recreational fields are to the skeet range. The whole area is >100 acres dedicated to sports that require a lot of space including firearm sports.
I know a recreational area of this size could hardly exist in Hawaii, but a man can imagine... :thumbsup:
Post by: macsak on March 28, 2016, 09:54:13 PM
(http://m.memegen.com/x30oa4.jpg)
today i didn't even have to use my HK.
today was a good day...
Post by: Hawaii On Target on March 28, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
please share
Not on a public form.
Post by: dustoff003 on March 28, 2016, 11:06:17 PM
Not on a public form.forum? Whatevas, what is good for the goose is good for all the other nene's.
Post by: ren on March 28, 2016, 11:29:32 PM
forum? Whatevas, what is good for the goose is good for all the other nene's.KauInoa. Malama Kokohead shooting range
Bumbai u learn.
Post by: dustoff003 on March 29, 2016, 04:32:55 AM
KauInoa. Malama Kokohead shooting rangeGotcha braddah
Bumbai u learn.
Post by: ren on March 29, 2016, 07:37:33 AM
today i didn't even have to use my HK.
today was a good day...
How can anyone afford an HK in the 'hood...man you ain't from THE hood! Hawaii Kai ain't no ghetto
Post by: GZire on March 29, 2016, 08:41:50 AM
I think the best avenue is to solicit the private club that is operating the silhouette range. I see no reason why you can't holster, draw and do other action stuff on that side. Besides I find it interesting that a private club is allowed to operate on City property as they do. I don't shoot there as I'm a brass whore.
Be careful about that. The car guys said the same thing and all these years later Oahu still doesn't have a track.............pretty sad because Kaui has a track, Maui has a track, and Big Island has a track.
Post by: zippz on March 29, 2016, 11:01:18 AM
Some stuff I brainstormed that we'd need:
1. Funding
a. Raise funds - Charge fees for KHSC use, ($10 to $20). This seems to be the norm for ranges and can fund improvements and better maintenance by bringing in a few thousand dollars each week. Add in commercial sales like a food vendor, pro shop, and advertising and that's a bit more money. Also seek out donors and grants. City can also sell bonds to help with the initial improvements. They should also be recycling the brass, lead and copper too.
b. Ensure fees raised at KHSC stay at KHSC. Park fees normally go into the city general fund so the city council would have to pass something that exempts KHSC.
c. Ensure city funding to KHSC is maintained. So that funds raised at KHSC can go towards funding improvements.
2. Gun Owners Support
a. Grass roots and phone trees.
b. Getting people who own guns, but don't shoot them, to shoot them.
c. promote shooting for women and youths.
d. Uniting all groups of shooters (hunters, military, LE, rec, etc) to one cause.
3. Community Support
a. Promote at community events (fairs, neighborhood boards, etc)
b. media advertising
c. articles on shooting events in the news/newspapers/internet
d. promote firearms for self defense use
e. promote guns for sporting use
f. support from non-shooting groups ie tourism board, women's groups.
4. Political Support
a. Range day for the politicians. Most politicians do not shoot guns, but I'd guess most have played golf. Maybe that's why we have a lot of golf courses?
b. Tie it in to tourism or revenue generation somehow?
5. Vision for KHSC
a. Classroom space and concessions. There's a lot of vacant space in the center for a visitors center, classrooms, and vendors. Could even build another outdoor baffled range on the western end of the park that can be used strictly for classes.
b. Renovate or rebuild the existing structures.
c. Pistol. Remove half of the berms/benches on the bullseye pistol side to allow for placing targets at various distances.
d. Rifle. Split the rifle side in half. One half is for short range rifle/shotgun for 5 to 100 yards. The other half for 100+ yard targets. Could probably go out to at least 300 yards.
e. Bays. Build covered structures for the bays as a rest/briefing area. Install lighting for night shooting. Pave road and increase parking spaces. Install target turners.
f. Shotgun.....
g. Silhouette...
6. Safety
a. Build walls and install baffles to prevent rounds from leaving the ranges.
b. Improve and maintain berms.
c. require watching a short video on safety, rules, and procedures on the initial visit.
d. Safety will be enhanced by building a classroom where people can take firearms courses.
7. Promoting KHSC
Post by: zippz on March 29, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
Post by: ren on March 29, 2016, 01:39:08 PM
http://khon2.com/2015/04/02/mayors-credit-card-misuse-under-investigation-payments-included-bars-hsba-dues/ (http://khon2.com/2015/04/02/mayors-credit-card-misuse-under-investigation-payments-included-bars-hsba-dues/)
Post by: zippz on March 29, 2016, 04:09:14 PM
Might rain on our BI boys parade though as they've been tryin to get one for a while.
Got close but assholes from resort community are making a big stink using knudnuts ridiculous arguments.
You willing to organize it Zippz ?
Anyone else ?
I'd like to give it a try, but it's going to take a lot more than a petition to get it going, or else it'll just fail like the past. And if we go with how I'd like it improved, it's going to cost quite a bit. Not sure how much but I'd guess a good 15 to 25 million dollars. We might even get Knud's over to our side if he agrees with the safety improvements. Shouldn't hurt the BI range, instead it'll probably help it. KHSC is funded by Honolulu county, the BI range would be funded by the state or HI county. KHSC would be the test project, show usage, and train shooters for the BI range.
I would need HRA support, and a team of about 6 people that are dedicated for the long haul, about a year.
Post by: macsak on March 29, 2016, 04:24:09 PM
about a year.
you're gonna need a bigger boat...
Post by: ren on March 29, 2016, 05:51:33 PM
you're gonna need a bigger boat...(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2I91DJZKRxs/maxresdefault.jpg)